Dusic Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 On one hand, a French Intl with top club experience and who is only 26 and has a point to prove would appear to be a great signing if it happened. However, there are some other considerations: - He royally ****ed off Klopp, who generally seems fair and quite relaxed, on a pre season trip and hasn't played for Liverpool since despite central defence being their weakest area, with the likes of Klavan and Lucas preferred. Attitude issue? - Served a doping ban earlier this year ans hasn't played proper football for ages - Would be making a step down to join Saints, we usually target players on the up but admittedly would have no chance of signing him he if was regularly playing for Liverpool - Has been very poor against us in the past and would likely come in as one of our highest earners. - They want to sell, we want a loan but if he came in on loan and did well then he might have other options in the summer and we would then need 2x starting CBs once VVD goes. What do people think?
James Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Don't rate him at all. Seems like a bit of a panic signing (especially on loan). He'd be OK as a stop gap I suppose as at least he has Prem experience but I do foresee a situation where we will need to reconstruct our entire defence over the summer. This kind of signing/target does slightly undermine our supposedly genius transfer policy of having targets lined up - we've known Fonte was on the way out since the summer and we are waiting until the last 10 days of the window to sort out a loan for Sahko, doesn't feel like this one has been particularly well planned but then nobody is infallible and maybe the board have just been caught out here.
SuperSAINT Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 There was a really good Q&A I read recently with a Liverpool fan-site. Can anyone find it?
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 He's a good player. Would take him for Fonte plus £10m (which seems to be his price).
Turkish Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Nothing to see here. Clearly this is someone we've scouted for ages and profiled at length as we do with all our signings. We know exactly who we are bring in to replace outgoing players well before they leave so I'm sure Sakho would have been a target even if he was in Liverpools first team, the fact he's fallen out with Klopp and been banned for doping is just a coincidence.
Jai27 Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Think he'd do well for us and VVD wouldn't take any **** from him as a defensive partner. If Liverpool aren't happy loaning him (with what I guess would include a buy option in the summer) then they can do one and we'll look elsewhere. It should be done on our terms or not at all. I'm very happy with Yoshida starting for us but am slightly worried if either he or VVD gets injured, so we definitely need to get someone in if not Sakho.
Heisenberg Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 If Puel can work his magic like he has with VVD we could have the best CB pairing in the premier league. If we can beat Swansea and WBA to his signature id be delighted and surely Liverpool owe us/Les a few favours?
Saint Garrett Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Would be a good signing for us with a better defensive unit around him, he'd fit in fine. Only problem I have is us spunking huge money on his wages and transfer fee.
Colinjb Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Don't rate him at all. Seems like a bit of a panic signing (especially on loan). He'd be OK as a stop gap I suppose as at least he has Prem experience but I do foresee a situation where we will need to reconstruct our entire defence over the summer. This kind of signing/target does slightly undermine our supposedly genius transfer policy of having targets lined up - we've known Fonte was on the way out since the summer and we are waiting until the last 10 days of the window to sort out a loan for Sahko, doesn't feel like this one has been particularly well planned but then nobody is infallible and maybe the board have just been caught out here. Playing devil's advocate: The higher we go and more we achieve the more difficult it becomes to find available/affordable players of an ability to actively improve our first eleven? 20m is a massive amount, but when players like Ighalo command anticipated fees of 17m, 20m for a French international CB in his mid 20's does not seem entirely incomparable.
Pass the Dutchie Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 - Served a doping ban earlier this year ans hasn't played proper football for ages I think he's a great player. And to be fair: the doping ban expired after the substance was found to not be in the banned substance list and the case was dismissed by UEFA. You can't hold that against him.
Gunnery Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 If Puel can work his magic like he has with VVD we could have the best CB pairing in the premier league. If we can beat Swansea and WBA to his signature id be delighted and surely Liverpool owe us/Les a few favours?Whats this about you being investigated by the police over comments on the internet? That's pretty sad if true!!
Dan Johnson Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Liverpool fans love him In this poll back in August, 80% of Liverpool fans didn't think he should leave! http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/blood-red-liverpool-fans-must-11807346 Some of the comments - "Why would we possibly let our best defender go?" Some question his temperament but that article shows him in a good light, his "drugs ban" was overturned and he's only 26. If the choice is between Sakho and Fonte, I'd choose Sakho, especially if we get £9m for Fonte! Sign a striker alongside Sakho and all of a sudden our starting 11 looks very strong!
Gunnery Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Pointless thread, no way would we spend £20 million on a defender and Liverpool don't want to loan him. It's Yoshi all the way!
Doctoroncall Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 I think he's a great player. And to be fair: the doping ban expired after the substance was found to not be in the banned substance list and the case was dismissed by UEFA. You can't hold that against him. He solidified the pool defence last season and the doping ban is an non issue. Just have to get him interested in playing again.
Crab Lungs Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Playing out from the back with him in the side would be... errr... interesting
Saint Garrett Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Playing out from the back with him in the side would be... errr... interesting You say that, but doesn't he have one of the best pass % in the last few years for a defender.
pangy Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Posters on here question the clubs ambition....then complain when we might spend £20m on a defender
Gunnery Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Posters on here question the clubs ambition....then complain when we might spend £20m on a defender Who said we might? We absolutely won't, our club record is £16 million, no way will we be breaking that on a defender in January, not happening.
pangy Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Who said we might? We absolutely won't, our club record is £16 million, no way will we be breaking that on a defender in January, not happening. £8-9m for Fonte and £10-£12 adde for Sakho,its not beyond the realms of possibility......unless you are Kat Liebherr posting under a alias
Heisenberg Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 (edited) £8-9m for Fonte and £10-£12 adde for Sakho,its not beyond the realms of possibility......unless you are Kat Liebherr posting under a alias Its not our typical model. Standard approach is normally sell for 10, replace for 4-5 However we do have precedent for this - we sold the useless Jack Cork for 800k and bought Clasie for £8m for example Sold Boruc for nothing, bought Fraser for £12m Edited 19 January, 2017 by Heisenberg
pangy Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Its not our typical model. Standard approach is normally sell for 10, replace for 4-5 However we do have precedent for this - we sold the useless Jack Cork for 800k and bought Clasie for £8m Surely we will become a victim of our own success by selling high buying low,clubs know we sell and ridiculous prices to "top" teams,so when we go to buy from them they must know we have ££ to spend AND that we think this player will progress and then be sold for top dollar, which then must put the original price up ??
Gunnery Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Its not our typical model. Standard approach is normally sell for 10, replace for 4-5 However we do have precedent for this - we sold the useless Jack Cork for 800k and bought Clasie for £8m#Transparent
angelman Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Who said we might? We absolutely won't, our club record is £16 million, no way will we be breaking that on a defender in January, not happening. Records are there to be broken.
Gunnery Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Records are there to be broken. And it will be, but never on a defender.
nta786 Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 I just don't rate him, if that is who Blackbox thinks is the one then meh. I'd like us to look abroad for this one or someone who is getting regular game time (either for their parent club or loan club), hence why Chelsea isn't a bad team to buy from. I'd rather we take a first team CB from a club smaller than us/similar size. Not a Liverpool reserve. Only issue is the problems associated with January market.
dellboysaint Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Fonte goes and we are too light at the back to sustain our inevitable struggle to stay in the Premier League in the final few months of the season. Get Sakho in!
Pass the Dutchie Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Can he play up front ? He probably could. He started out as a forward, once upon a time.
Crab Lungs Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 The black box is having a bit of a motherboard fart Last year it thought Caulker was a good CB Now Sakho Fwiw, never rated him but we'll see how he goes if get him
CB Fry Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Seems a little like the Bertrand signing, albeit with a higher outlay, bit of a big club failure, lost his way a bit. Doesn't feel like a typical SFC signing to me (if anything it is the kind of player WHU would buy).
View From The Top Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 He's not that bad, not that we'll pay what they want, but no doubt our army of morons would write him off after his 1st error and then blame Puel for paying too much.
St.Patrik Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Talked to a colleague today and he's big L-Pool fan. He Said Sahko is the best defender in their squad but after falling out With Klopp hes not wanted anymore. Should be a catch IF we got him.
Maggie May Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 This would be on par with signing Davenport.
saintwbu Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Never rated him at all, looks like he's never seen a football before when it arrives at his feet. But if he can head, tackle and run fast (which I think he can) then Virg will do the rest for him. £20mil however, is absurd. They don't want him, they're paying his wages, a loan suits both parties. Loan him, play him, put him in the shop window, they save wages and perhaps get the £20mil from someone else in the summer and we get a decent CB option to see us until the summer.
stevy777_x Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 This would be on par with signing Davenport. :lol:
Forester Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 If Puel can work his magic like he has with VVD we could have the best CB pairing in the premier league. If we can beat Swansea and WBA to his signature id be delighted and surely Liverpool owe us/Les a few favours? Not sure if you are being ironic. But I think it is a fact that VVD, Cedric, McQueen, Yoshida and Romeo have all improved under Puel. And Bertrand remains superb
Heisenberg Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Not sure if you are being ironic. But I think it is a fact that VVD, Cedric, McQueen, Yoshida and Romeo have all improved under Puel. And Bertrand remains superb Agreed mate, I'd probably add Sims to that list too + Lewis and Stephens. Once he (Puel) starts getting a few breaks in fixtures he can start really coaching players and hopefully we will see a few Hatem Ben Arfa size improvements
Turkish Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Agreed mate, I'd probably add Sims to that list too + Lewis and Stephens. Once he (Puel) starts getting a few breaks in fixtures he can start really coaching players and hopefully we will see a few Hatem Ben Arfa size improvements Possibly. Just look what he did with Thierry Henry. Managed to coach him into being a very average winger who got his big move to Juventus where he struggled before Wenger turned him into a striker.
sandwichsaint Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Never rated him at all, looks like he's never seen a football before when it arrives at his feet. But if he can head, tackle and run fast (which I think he can) then Virg will do the rest for him. £20mil however, is absurd. They don't want him, they're paying his wages, a loan suits both parties. Loan him, play him, put him in the shop window, they save wages and perhaps get the £20mil from someone else in the summer and we get a decent CB option to see us until the summer. A lot of truth in this, if Klopp throws in an alarm clock I'd say 'done deal'. Liverpool mate, ST holder, says he is a beast; the media have him down as a bit of a lady's part. It's a long time (over-long some might say) since we had a beast-cum-lady's-part around the place, he might be just what's needed to get JWP, Redmond and Hojberg to the mythical 'next level'.
Baird of the land Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Not a fan. Very average every time I saw him for Liverpool. Price being quoted is stupidly high too. Then there's his character coupled with his no doubt exceedingly high wages.
Cartman Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 A lot of truth in this, if Klopp throws in an alarm clock I'd say 'done deal'. Liverpool mate, ST holder, says he is a beast; the media have him down as a bit of a lady's part. It's a long time (over-long some might say) since we had a beast-cum-lady's-part around the place, he might be just what's needed to get JWP, Redmond and Hojberg to the mythical 'next level'.
angelman Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Talked to a colleague today and he's big L-Pool fan. He Said Sahko is the best defender in their squad but after falling out With Klopp hes not wanted anymore. Should be a catch IF we got him. Oh in that case, we really should sign him then! Never rated him at all, looks like he's never seen a football before when it arrives at his feet. But if he can head, tackle and run fast (which I think he can) then Virg will do the rest for him. £20mil however, is absurd. They don't want him, they're paying his wages, a loan suits both parties. Loan him, play him, put him in the shop window, they save wages and perhaps get the £20mil from someone else in the summer and we get a decent CB option to see us until the summer. Oops!! Well maybe not.
Wrensup Posted 19 January, 2017 Posted 19 January, 2017 Agreed mate, I'd probably add Sims to that list too + Lewis and Stephens. Once he (Puel) starts getting a few breaks in fixtures he can start really coaching players and hopefully we will see a few Hatem Ben Arfa size improvements You've gone full circle!
simondo Posted 20 January, 2017 Posted 20 January, 2017 I think he's about as good as we are likely to get tbh...
Saint Scott Posted 20 January, 2017 Posted 20 January, 2017 Give them £15mil, he's essentially half price, wages could be an issue though. What is clear is we must sign a replacement this window to partner Virgil. Yoshi is a backup at best.
the saint in winchester Posted 20 January, 2017 Posted 20 January, 2017 Yes from me. Use the £8m Fonte money, add £5-7m. Liverpool fan at office rates and says Liverpool would probably take that, as we have a special arrangement.
Pilchards Posted 21 January, 2017 Posted 21 January, 2017 You would not accept the Fonte deal if you have not got this one over the line or close too. I expect the only sticking point was the fee rather than the wages as these are discussed upfront with the agent.
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