OldNick Posted 7 January, 2017 Share Posted 7 January, 2017 Couldn't bear not knowing how it works out with ClaudeLol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 7 January, 2017 Share Posted 7 January, 2017 Super defensive Les Fest going on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 7 January, 2017 Share Posted 7 January, 2017 I've no idea as I don't trust all of the negative 'leaks' to the fan base and the media from private conversations and negotiations Reed has with our players and managers, which is the only way you hear about them. Such behaviour is totally unprofessional which makes me very suspicious of the man and all of the players and managers must surely find such a sneaky character very difficult to trust or confide in. Anybody with any integrity wouldn't want to work for him for long, which is why we are now getting characters like Eric Black coming into the club. Steven Gerrard said that he had no respect for Les Reed after the way he treated him during England's Euro 2000 campaign. Gerard wrote, "To this day, I have no respect for Reed." I should imagine many players, managers and coaches feel the same way. I would hate to go through life without a glowing endorsement from Steven Gerrard. Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 7 January, 2017 Share Posted 7 January, 2017 LR: "Earlier in the season we were playing some exhilarating stuff and winning games and fans were stopping me in the street and saying they really loved the football" Deluded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 7 January, 2017 Share Posted 7 January, 2017 Lallana absolutely detested reed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 7 January, 2017 Share Posted 7 January, 2017 Imo Reed is a bad egg in the basket, he's more of an egomaniac than cortese hence why he won't sack Puel, he's completely deluded and spins all this bs to the fans, a lot of fans how now clicked on and aren't happy, there are many fans on here who see him as the almighty one and that's there choice but to be fair nobody and I mean nobody knows what goes on behind the scenes, I could be right could be wrong all I know is i feel Claude is the wrong appointment, this should've could've been the best season in our history but it's been royally fu***d up and unfortunately it seems it's not going to get any better anytime soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 7 January, 2017 Share Posted 7 January, 2017 Lallana absolutely detested reed. Because Reed had sussed he was a two faced little sh*te? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 8 January, 2017 Share Posted 8 January, 2017 Lallana absolutely detested reed. Maybe Les didn't hug him enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 8 January, 2017 Share Posted 8 January, 2017 Maybe Les didn't hug him enough? Maybe it was too much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 8 January, 2017 Share Posted 8 January, 2017 I have a real dislike of Reed wven though I have never met him! I assume he is well in with the owner as he is bringing home the bacon while at the same keeping a lot of the fans on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beancounter saint Posted 8 January, 2017 Share Posted 8 January, 2017 Imo Reed is a bad egg in the basket, he's more of an egomaniac than cortese hence why he won't sack Puel, he's completely deluded and spins all this bs to the fans, a lot of fans how now clicked on and aren't happy, there are many fans on here who see him as the almighty one and that's there choice but to be fair nobody and I mean nobody knows what goes on behind the scenes, I could be right could be wrong all I know is i feel Claude is the wrong appointment, this should've could've been the best season in our history but it's been royally fu***d up and unfortunately it seems it's not going to get any better anytime soon Yes, must be a really bad egg, considering he has been just about the only constant at the centre of the club's activities since April 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintroyt Posted 8 January, 2017 Share Posted 8 January, 2017 Yes, must be a really bad egg, considering he has been just about the only constant at the centre of the club's activities since April 2010. Very constant spending a lot less on transfer in than transfer out ! Shows real ambition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggytrousers Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 Very constant spending a lot less on transfer in than transfer out ! Shows real ambition Ignore the fact that we've improved our league position for 7 consecutive seasons. It's the net spend table that really counts and we're just not spunking our money up the walls as fast as other clubs. Why oh why can't we be like West Ham. They know how to waste millions miles better than us. They must not have a bad egg at the heart of their club I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldeuboi Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 Very constant spending a lot less on transfer in than transfer out ! Shows real ambition Just to nitpick this statement. It's not a bad thing. There's a pretty interesting book called Soccernomics that uses statistics to analyse and understand football a little more. It has almost a whole chapter on how transfer fees are almost irrelevant when it comes to league finishes. It's in fact wage expenditure that has more of a correlation. There are teams that have bought big and done poorly and teams that have bought small and done well. Decent recruitment means teams don't need to spend a bomb, and the chapter actually goes on to say that many of the big fees paid in football are simply done to "appease fans" on panic buys where a better player could be bought for less. A "big signing" ramps up fan expectations and excitement. I can see why our club's transfer dealings aren't that exciting to those types of people. For me, however, I love the idea of unearthing rough diamonds and developing them. Gives me a bit of pride that our club identity is that much different to other clubs our size. Also talks about the idea of "flavour of the week" players being bought for stupid money (so many examples in the Premier League it's utterly laughable), and how stupid teams are to buy a player off the back of a decent world cup/Euro competition at inflated prices. I guess it's the "appeasing fans" bit that some of our fan base really want. Would spending £30m on someone like Benteke really mean that much to you despite making very little sustainable sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/550451/Biggest-net-spend-Premier-League-2013-sportgalleries This is interesting it shows that we have roughly spent what we have received since 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 Just to nitpick this statement. It's not a bad thing. There's a pretty interesting book called Soccernomics that uses statistics to analyse and understand football a little more. It has almost a whole chapter on how transfer fees are almost irrelevant when it comes to league finishes. It's in fact wage expenditure that has more of a correlation. There are teams that have bought big and done poorly and teams that have bought small and done well. Decent recruitment means teams don't need to spend a bomb, and the chapter actually goes on to say that many of the big fees paid in football are simply done to "appease fans" on panic buys where a better player could be bought for less. A "big signing" ramps up fan expectations and excitement. I can see why our club's transfer dealings aren't that exciting to those types of people. For me, however, I love the idea of unearthing rough diamonds and developing them. Gives me a bit of pride that our club identity is that much different to other clubs our size. Also talks about the idea of "flavour of the week" players being bought for stupid money (so many examples in the Premier League it's utterly laughable), and how stupid teams are to buy a player off the back of a decent world cup/Euro competition at inflated prices. I guess it's the "appeasing fans" bit that some of our fan base really want. Would spending £30m on someone like Benteke really mean that much to you despite making very little sustainable sense? Cheers for that Les. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/550451/Biggest-net-spend-Premier-League-2013-sportgalleries This is interesting it shows that we have roughly spent what we have received since 2013. Lowest net spenders in the division. Is that us being clever, or being tight? Personally, with the biggest TV deal in football history, I don't think it's particularly clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/550451/Biggest-net-spend-Premier-League-2013-sportgalleries This is interesting it shows that we have roughly spent what we have received since 2013. That makes me well up with pride, that does... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 I don't know les, i don't know what's 'going on' behind the scenes and I don'y know any of the players, staff or their friends and family. All I can base my opinion on is what I see at each home game which is a fairly difficult watch - slow, inoffensive football played by a team seemingly unsure of what to do next or with little freedom to follow their instinct. On top of that our recruitment last summer was disappointing in that it feels as though the average quality of the team has declined with a glaring vacancy up front and poor quality cover in defence. The mood within the squad would appear to have darkened, possibly driven by Jose's apparent diva behaviour or the new manager or the new system or something else. None of us know this. We're somehow matching last seasons points tally (so far), which isn't an issue at all, but it's the 'how' which bothers me. I guess we'll only be able to tell at the end of the season, but if it's more of the same then I'm not going to be renewing my season ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 Lowest net spenders in the division. Is that us being clever, or being tight? Personally, with the biggest TV deal in football history, I don't think it's particularly clever. Jeez where did I say it was clever, the only opinion I offered was that I thought it was interesting. I'll let the usual we are doomed Kat has stolen our money brigade argue to an infantile point with the other lot who think Les should be knighted for services to sport about the pros and cons of the figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 Just to nitpick this statement. It's not a bad thing. There's a pretty interesting book called Soccernomics that uses statistics to analyse and understand football a little more. It has almost a whole chapter on how transfer fees are almost irrelevant when it comes to league finishes. It's in fact wage expenditure that has more of a correlation. There are teams that have bought big and done poorly and teams that have bought small and done well. Decent recruitment means teams don't need to spend a bomb, and the chapter actually goes on to say that many of the big fees paid in football are simply done to "appease fans" on panic buys where a better player could be bought for less. A "big signing" ramps up fan expectations and excitement. I can see why our club's transfer dealings aren't that exciting to those types of people. For me, however, I love the idea of unearthing rough diamonds and developing them. Gives me a bit of pride that our club identity is that much different to other clubs our size. Also talks about the idea of "flavour of the week" players being bought for stupid money (so many examples in the Premier League it's utterly laughable), and how stupid teams are to buy a player off the back of a decent world cup/Euro competition at inflated prices. I guess it's the "appeasing fans" bit that some of our fan base really want. Would spending £30m on someone like Benteke really mean that much to you despite making very little sustainable sense? http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/550451/Biggest-net-spend-Premier-League-2013-sportgalleries This is interesting it shows that we have roughly spent what we have received since 2013. Ergo, the Net Spend table is redundant. It ignores not just wages, but bonuses and wage hikes for existing squad players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 Jeez where did I say it was clever, the only opinion I offered was that I thought it was interesting. I'll let the usual we are doomed Kat has stolen our money brigade argue to an infantile point with the other lot who think Les should be knighted for services to sport about the pros and cons of the figures. Top Post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEVMAN Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 Can't believe it's taken this long for some people to see through this man,so it for himself and would sell his soul to the devil if it would save himself, You really need to lose this man he's like a cancer to the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 Can't believe it's taken this long for some people to see through this man,so it for himself and would sell his soul to the devil if it would save himself, You really need to lose this man he's like a cancer to the club look who is back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 Can't believe it's taken this long for some people to see through this man,so it for himself and would sell his soul to the devil if it would save himself, You really need to lose this man he's like a cancer to the club Can you give specifics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 I don't know anyone who has a constant improvement within their life with cancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 Can't believe it's taken this long for some people to see through this man,so it for himself and would sell his soul to the devil if it would save himself, You really need to lose this man he's like a cancer to the club and Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 Lowest net spenders in the division. Is that us being clever, or being tight? Personally, with the biggest TV deal in football history, I don't think it's particularly clever. Why do you think it is not particularly clever have you looked at the accounts of the club ? or is it a gut feeling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 This is SaintsWeb. We don't need audited financial statements. We've got google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 Jeez where did I say it was clever, the only opinion I offered was that I thought it was interesting. I'll let the usual we are doomed Kat has stolen our money brigade argue to an infantile point with the other lot who think Les should be knighted for services to sport about the pros and cons of the figures. Didn't say you thought it was clever. Think you've got the wrong end of the stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEVMAN Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 If this man is pushed into a corner over something he'll sink the nearest person he can to save himself, HE IS a bad egg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 If this man is pushed into a corner over something he'll sink the nearest person he can to save himself, HE IS a bad egg Any specifics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 If this man is pushed into a corner over something he'll sink the nearest person he can to save himself, HE IS a bad egg Are you talking about your mate nivea boy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 Why do you think it is not particularly clever have you looked at the accounts of the club ? or is it a gut feeling Just looking at the net spend table. Spending more on players isn't going to bankrupt us, and will improve things on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 Any specifics? Doubt it but your`e hooked arent ya ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 Doubt it but your`e hooked arent ya ? Not hooked - but if he knows something id like to hear it His posts are a bit like some on Facebook "OMG cant believe it...." then nothing. If you have something to say, just say it right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 Not hooked - but if he knows something id like to hear it His posts are a bit like some on Facebook "OMG cant believe it...." then nothing. If you have something to say, just say it right? You are admit it, you`re desperate for some other ammunition to fire at Reed to "compliment" your nonsense. He has an axe to grind re his idol/lover the nivea boy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 If this man is pushed into a corner over something he'll sink the nearest person he can to save himself, HE IS a bad egg At least he didn't virtually blackmail the club to get a move like your bumboy did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyboy Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 If this man is pushed into a corner over something he'll sink the nearest person he can to save himself, HE IS a bad egg Genuine question: is Adam still interested in what goes on at Saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 Just looking at the net spend table. Spending more on players isn't going to bankrupt us, and will improve things on the pitch. Yes that is true but there are other things to consider such as https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/25/premier-league-finances-club-by-club-breakdown-david-conn Turnover 11th highest in League £114m, up from £106m in 2014 • Income Match-day income £18m; Premier League and broadcasting £84m; Commercial £10m; Other £1m • Wage bill 9th highest in League £80m, up from £63m in 2014 • Wages as proportion of turnover 70% • Profit before tax £15m, following £29m profit in 2014 • Net debt £48m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 (edited) Yes that is true but there are other things to consider such as https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/25/premier-league-finances-club-by-club-breakdown-david-conn Turnover 11th highest in League £114m, up from £106m in 2014 • Income Match-day income £18m; Premier League and broadcasting £84m; Commercial £10m; Other £1m • Wage bill 9th highest in League £80m, up from £63m in 2014 • Wages as proportion of turnover 70% • Profit before tax £15m, following £29m profit in 2014 • Net debt £48m Can we stop citing those wage bill and wages-to-turnover figures which include one-off exceptional costs (e.g. Osvaldo's cancelled contract). The reality is that they are much lower. If you must, please be honest and explicit about the assumptions you're making. Edited 9 January, 2017 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 If this man is pushed into a corner over something he'll sink the nearest person he can to save himself, HE IS a bad egg I'd like to hear some of the details behind this. Otherwise, don't bother please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 You are admit it, you`re desperate for some other ammunition to fire at Reed to "compliment" your nonsense. He has an axe to grind re his idol/lover the nivea boy.. Your obsession with Glasgow is boring mate. Also, please stop reffering to him as 'Nivea boy'. How old are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 Your obsession with Glasgow is boring mate. Also, please stop reffering to him as 'Nivea boy'. How old are you? He must be about 55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 If this man is pushed into a corner over something he'll sink the nearest person he can to save himself, HE IS a bad egg Was it Les who sh*gged Adams missus on her holiday? Is Les really the dad? Is that why Adam has a grudge against him? So many unanswered questions, please elaborate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 (edited) Your obsession with Glasgow is boring mate. Also, please stop reffering to him as 'Nivea boy'. How old are you? Perhaps i should i pm my posts to you for vetting to make sure everything is ok with you then... no ok mind your own business then Anyway having a moan at me is that din Sherlock`s job but i miss most of his "stunning wit" as he is on ignore Hi Sherlock Edited 9 January, 2017 by ALWAYS_SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 I think Les Reed has done a very good job for SFC overall - clearly not liked by all players (e.g. VMan's posts and probably other players too) but name me a senior manager in their organisation who is 100% popular? He's (with Cortese pre-2014) appointed some great managers - Pards, Nigel, MP, Ronald - time will tell with Claude. I just think so far that it hasn't appeared to quite gel with Claude - Claude doesn't quite have the profile and people around him - MP had Perez, Ron had Erwin - to be able to make his mark on the PL scene and Les seems to be in the spotlight a bit more IMO. Claude would certainly be ticking quite a few of Reed's boxes - giving academy players who are potentially good enough an opportunity (which had been by far his most popular aspect with the fans as well). I do think that sometimes you need that element of difference in the personalities though to push the club along - which RK and Reed had. Claude has been much too quiet on the striker issue - as a manager in my organisation, I'm always careful to build a shrewd case for when I do need really need resources but in Claude's shoes I'd have been really pressing and using the media. After all, the PL is pretty brutal if you don't get results, even at SFC, and it's being made much harder for Claude to do that with the sharp paucity of forward options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 Perhaps i should i pm my posts to you for vetting to make sure everything is ok with you then... no ok mind your own business then Anyway having a moan at me is that din Sherlock`s job but i miss most of his "stunning wit" as he is on ignore Hi Sherlock You are, by some distance, the worst poster to ever post here. You are ball thrush to this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 9 January, 2017 Share Posted 9 January, 2017 http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/550451/Biggest-net-spend-Premier-League-2013-sportgalleries This is interesting it shows that we have roughly spent what we have received since 2013. Yep, but people refuse to believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 9 January, 2017 Author Share Posted 9 January, 2017 Yep, but people refuse to believe it. people believe it. That is them issue. What about the incredible money from TV and other avenues that other clubs spend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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