stevy777_x Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 And had still brought in Boufal, Redmond and hojbjerg ? Mane Pelle Wanyama were still contracted this season so we could have kept them (no business sense but a lot of sense sporting wise). Meaning we would have spent 40 million for summer arrivals. Rodrguez sold for 10 million so 30 million in spent in total. With new tv money this season that could have been done very easily. With a team looking like this : Forster Cedric Fonte Van Dijk Bertrand Romeu Wanyama Mane Tadic Boufal Pelle Subs: McCarthy, Redmond, McQueen, Austin,Yoshida, Davis, Hojbjerg. Options everywhere, very strong bench - reckon we would have been genuine top 4 contenders and qualified for knock out stages of Europa What do you reckon? Being a bit nostalgic on a saturday morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 Selling Redmond, Long, Clasie, Ward-Prowse and Hojbjerg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 We'd have had a team full of sulking players who didn't want to be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 Professional sportsmen don't 'sulk'. That is a total fallacy used as an excuse for selling players who still have 3 years left on their contract. The number of times I saw that word used on here last season when Mane and Wanyama were clearly giving 100% and trying harder than anybody, was ridiculous. This is what I wrote in the transfer thread at the end of last season and I still stand by it: 12-05-2016, 08:49 AM #442 For the first time in years our main transfer targets this year should be the players who are already here. They are going to give us our best ever Premier League finish and possibly come within 2 points of a Champions League place. Without the injuries to Forster and Bertrand, we'd probably be 3rd now. We are not going to get players much better than that so let's spend the transfer budget on keeping them here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 If you want to re-watch some of Wanyama's game last year, then go ahead. But he certainly wasn't giving 100% He didn't even give 1% when he decided he didn't want to play in the EL games as he wanted a move. Now if that's not sulking, I don't know what is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 Professional sportsmen don't 'sulk'. Nordic, we both support the same team to know that they do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 With Pelle and Mane in this side, we'd be up around the top four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldeuboi Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 Pellè and Mané went missing until March last season. Not sure if they would be the answer. Again, selective memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 The amount of slagging off Pelle got for being cra_p and now he's the 'kin messiah. Big Vic was a mardy git who simply didn't care and Mane was excellent when it wasn't cold. He had also made it blindingly clear, as had his agent who I an others had spoken to personally, that he was off as soon as a big club was in for him. He had wanted to go to Utd who he supported. But let's re-write history and forget that we are currently in a better position than we were this time last season, with those heroes playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Albert Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 Professional sportsmen don't 'sulk'. That is a total fallacy used as an excuse for selling players who still have 3 years left on their contract. The number of times I saw that word used on here last season when Mane and Wanyama were clearly giving 100% and trying harder than anybody, was ridiculous. This is what I wrote in the transfer thread at the end of last season and I still stand by it: 12-05-2016, 08:49 AM #442 For the first time in years our main transfer targets this year should be the players who are already here. They are going to give us our best ever Premier League finish and possibly come within 2 points of a Champions League place. Without the injuries to Forster and Bertrand, we'd probably be 3rd now. We are not going to get players much better than that so let's spend the transfer budget on keeping them here. Sadio Berahino is having a monumental sulk at West Brom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 (edited) If you want to re-watch some of Wanyama's game last year, then go ahead. But he certainly wasn't giving 100% He didn't even give 1% when he decided he didn't want to play in the EL games as he wanted a move. Now if that's not sulking, I don't know what is. Funny thing is he will probably get a good reception when he returns to St. Mary's despite this. He deserves as much abuse as Lovren. Edited 17 December, 2016 by Saints foreva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Albert Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 Funny thing is he will probably get a good reception when he returns to St. Mary's despite this. He deserves as much abuse as Lovren. He ran his contract down and left Les with little choice other than to do business with Levy in a cut-price deal. He deserves a good boo for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 I'll tell you who would really improve us right now: Jason Puncheon. I'm not saying we shouldn't have sold him when we did but if Palace go down I'd love to see us bring him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 I'll tell you who would really improve us right now: Jason Puncheon. I'm not saying we shouldn't have sold him when we did but if Palace go down I'd love to see us bring him back. Would he? I'd rather have Tadic and Boufal in the starting XI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 Would he? I'd rather have Tadic and Boufal in the starting XI. What about when one of the is out, injured or in the AFCOn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 What about when one of the is out, injured or in the AFCOn? Sims & Redmond, we don't need Puncheon. We need a striker; not defenders, central midfielders or attacking midfielders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 We hardly miss Victor at all. Same can't be said for Mane and Pelle. They've both left huge voids in our team and our performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 We hardly miss Victor at all. Same can't be said for Mane and Pelle. They've both left huge voids in our team and our performances. - Pelle was replaced by our top scorer Austin. - Mane has been replaced by both Boufal & Redmond, some Saint fans have been far to quick to dismiss them both Saints could end the weekend 7th, it is far from the disaster some are making out. We have the same amount of points this season as we did at this point last season with Koeman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 Sims & Redmond, we don't need Puncheon. We need a striker; not defenders, central midfielders or attacking midfielders. Disagree. Part of our problem is our three CMs all bring **** all to the table in attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 I'll tell you who would really improve us right now: Jason Puncheon. I'm not saying we shouldn't have sold him when we did but if Palace go down I'd love to see us bring him back. Puncheon and Clyne were one of the best right hand side partnerships we've had in recent times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 Funny thing is he will probably get a good reception when he returns to St. Mary's despite this. He deserves as much abuse as Lovren. Some people on here have some real anger issues. People don't 'deserve abuse'. Abuse 1. the improper use of something. "alcohol abuse" synonyms: misuse, misapplication, misemployment, mishandling; More exploitation, perversion "this law is not going to stop the abuse of power" unjust or corrupt practice. "protection against fraud and abuse" synonyms: corruption, injustice, wrongdoing, wrong, misconduct, delinquency, misdeed(s), offence(s), crime, fault, sin "the scheme is open to political control and administrative abuse" 2. cruel and violent treatment of a person or animal. "a black eye and other signs of physical abuse" synonyms: mistreatment, maltreatment, ill treatment, ill use, misuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 Reality is without selling Pelle and Mane we would have bought no one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 Would he? I'd rather have Tadic and Boufal in the starting XI. Not in their positions. As a midfielder in our midfield three. I suggest you watch some football and educate yourself as to player positions. Jason Puncheon has not played as a wide attacker frequently for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 - Pelle was replaced by our top scorer Austin. - Mane has been replaced by both Boufal & Redmond, some Saint fans have been far to quick to dismiss them both . On paper yes, in practice no. Tell me you're not comparing Redmond to Mane please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 (edited) With Pelle and Mane in this side, we'd be up around the top four. What makes you think they wouldn't have been rested in the Premier League to play Europa League games? Plus a knackered Pelle was next to useless the few times he looked tired last season. Edited 17 December, 2016 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 Disagree. Part of our problem is our three CMs all bring **** all to the table in attacks. And part of that problem is that CMs who do bring loads offensively are either poor defensively or cost a fortune, which is why we sign promising ones cheaply to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 Sims & Redmond, we don't need Puncheon. We need a striker; not defenders, central midfielders or attacking midfielders. They aren't in same class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 Not be making a profit is the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 Why do people persist with the utter nonsense that Redmond replaced Mane? He didn't Boufal was Manes replacement. If Redmond replaced anyone it was Juanmi and he's done considerably more than him already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FriendlySaint Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 Some of the games for us Wanyama wasn't even in first gear. He was still sat still with the engine off. He was a disgrace at times, yet people still defended him. He didn't give a **** about the Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 We were lower in the league this time last year so we're better off without them (just) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 Don't we normally throw in Bale and Walcott is these such threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 17 December, 2016 Share Posted 17 December, 2016 (edited) As said what me really miss is a creative force in the middle not hod carriers, I thought we had possibly had the in hojberg but he suffered from rotation and not forming a partnership. I know it's been mentioned several times but Ziyech could have been 1 bit to the puzzle, it doesn't help we don't really know how Puel wants us to play we've no pattern, we look good in 15min flashes where we press, then we look good for 15min sitting back and countering then the rest of the time we look like slow pondering garbage, we have a target man in Austin who rotates out to wing, we ping balls into box when nobody's there, just think it's very muddled, despite the bad press I would love Berahinho here, is he sulking? Possibly, possibly not,Yes he's put on weight but he's not playing think it's a case of him Pulis and Peace don't get on coupled with some poor advice from agents. But if fit and up and running he would outscored our forwards. If we wanted a target man in our price range then Bas dost would've done the job, I see West ham possibly wanting Batshuyi on loan if that was feasible then that would be a superb addition, problem is we royally f****d up the Europa we could've been an excellent selling point for players and potential investors Edited 17 December, 2016 by danjosaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghq Posted 18 December, 2016 Share Posted 18 December, 2016 The proposition is interesting, but what would be more interesting is the backlash from posters around about now as the results of Pelle's winter hibernation,and Wanyama's utter lack of interest would be showing right about now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 18 December, 2016 Share Posted 18 December, 2016 Professional sportsmen don't 'sulk'.ha, as much as loved Pelle, you don't think he would be sulking if he was still here while knowing he could pulling £260,000 per week in wages in China? Pelle is currently the sixth highest paid player in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 18 December, 2016 Share Posted 18 December, 2016 (edited) The plums who still don't get it are never going to get it. Why haven't Liverpool still got Suarez, Utd still got Ronaldo? When are one of these clubs going to wake up and keep all their in-demand players against their will? Must be loads of successful examples of teams that have done that. Feel free to list but know would rather bellyache like little spoilt children who don't get they can't have things the way they always want them Not that that would stop them.......will will find something to moan about whatever. Haven't looked through this thread but is Batman is bemoaning Pelle going by any chance? Edited 18 December, 2016 by whelk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5string Posted 18 December, 2016 Share Posted 18 December, 2016 Should never have let Keegan go to Newcastle. Would he have 'sulked' if we'd kept him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 18 December, 2016 Share Posted 18 December, 2016 Mane, Boufal and Tadic as the front 3 would be amazing, the pace and danger from them would scare defenses. Pellet would be useful as a squad player. Romeu is doing a better job then wanyama did last season. Having J-Rod before his injuries is all the current team actually needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 18 December, 2016 Share Posted 18 December, 2016 Mane, Boufal and Tadic as the front 3 would be amazing, the pace and danger from them would scare defenses. Pellet would be useful as a squad player. Romeu is doing a better job then wanyama did last season. Having J-Rod before his injuries is all the current team actually needs. Romeu is doing the Schneiderlin job which Clasie was bought to do. Nobody is doing Wanyama's job and that is one of our problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 18 December, 2016 Share Posted 18 December, 2016 Romeu is doing the Schneiderlin job which Clasie was bought to do. Nobody is doing Wanyama's job and that is one of our problems. In what way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 18 December, 2016 Share Posted 18 December, 2016 reed starts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 18 December, 2016 Share Posted 18 December, 2016 We can't stop teams at the halfway line like Wanyama used to do, especially when the top teams tried to put us under pressure, so they run straight through the middle, leaving Fonte and van Dijk working overtime as the only line of defence. It's particularly noticeable in the 2nd half of games, when Romeu has run himself into the ground with little or no assistance in tackling from midfield team mates. Wnayma is yet another great player who was ridiculously underrated by some Saints fans, who like to stereotype players based on their appearance. He is currently on course to be Tottenham's player of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 18 December, 2016 Share Posted 18 December, 2016 Tbf when we were losing earlier today it was mostly because none of Reed, Hojbjerg or Clasie was stopping anyone from getting straight to our defence. We only had the problem of Redmond not shielding Cedric from Daniels a couple of times though. Romeu is doing the job Wanyama was doing. Without all the red cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 20 December, 2016 Share Posted 20 December, 2016 When we had Mane, Pelle and Wanyama at this time last year we were 12th I believe. We must somehow be playing better if we're 7th now. They went and we pocketed a load of dosh. So who needs goals? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 22 December, 2016 Share Posted 22 December, 2016 We can't stop teams at the halfway line like Wanyama used to do, especially when the top teams tried to put us under pressure, so they run straight through the middle, leaving Fonte and van Dijk working overtime as the only line of defence. It's particularly noticeable in the 2nd half of games, when Romeu has run himself into the ground with little or no assistance in tackling from midfield team mates. Wnayma is yet another great player who was ridiculously underrated by some Saints fans, who like to stereotype players based on their appearance. He is currently on course to be Tottenham's player of the season This is absolute rubbish, I have yet to see our fans stereotype a player based on race. If we are singling out Wanyame because he is African please explain the abuse young white and English JWP gets. We are equal opportunity knobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 22 December, 2016 Share Posted 22 December, 2016 When we had Mane, Pelle and Wanyama at this time last year we were 12th I believe. We must somehow be playing better if we're 7th now. They went and we pocketed a load of dosh. So who needs goals? lol And, in fairness, it's a much tougher division this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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