CB Fry Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 Jeff Stelling questioning our tactics as well, points lost tonight... Sent from my Hudl 2 using Tapatalk I don't think we are tactically trying not to score.
OttawaSaint Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 JWP and Davis are woefully short ion quality at the moment, they have ruined manys a good foray.
Dalek2003 Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 71% posession, 4 shots on target. F**king incredible Awful. Toothless.
doddisalegend Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 Always looking to go wide on the edge of their box. It's infuriating. Yeah to whip/float in a cross that no one will get on the end of. Puel really needs to work on what happens in the final third.
Mr X Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 whatever you think of puel you have to admit his style isnt exciting to watch or that effective
Tauro Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 Not good enough in and around the box, simple as that.
CLOTH EARS Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 A lesson in how to hold on to the ball and do **** all with It!!! Crossing not the best and we are as about as potent as a pint of Asda Smart Price Lager!
shurlock Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 I assume people realise that Stoke have the same number of defensive midfielders and defenders that they started the game with? Just because a team is one attacking player short it doesn't magically make their defence any more penetratable. Not quite. It means we should be able to sacrifice a defender or get the defence to hold a higher line - all of which should benefit our attack.
Sheaf Saint Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 How can you give a FK and a yellow for high feet when the defender's head is that low to the ground FFS!?
Norm Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 We could have played another 90 mins and not scored. OK, we were up against a 10 man defence but we badly lack someone to put the ball away.
Miltonaggro Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 Like watching paint dry. F*cking boring paint at that!
trousers Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 True, but we did penetrate their defence when Rodriguez missed another absolute sitter. I'm not saying their defence is impenetrable, just that losing an attacking player doesn't make any difference to how easy it is to score against a team intent on defending a point.
DuncanRG Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 (edited) I assume people realise that Stoke have the same number of defensive midfielders and defenders that they started the game with? Just because a team is one attacking player short it doesn't magically make their defence any more penetratable. No, but it damages their ability to win or retain the ball, as we've seen tonight. That means we have more of the ball, and therefore more time to attack. We tried to launch countless attacks tonight but could hardly string anything together. That is a serious problem. As someone here mentioned earlier, at the start of the season it was a case of missing chances. That was a problem with individuals and their finishing. Now we're not creating anything, and that's worrying. It's not the end of the world - we've always struggled to break down teams who are determined to defend - but that really was clueless. Edited 14 December, 2016 by DuncanRG
Dalek2003 Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 So where does the problem lie? It's either with the board or with Puel. It's not the players fault if they're not good enough but if the squad is not up to it then it's down to Les and if they're not playing to their potential it's Claude. What is it because it's one of them? Primarily the Board who are trying to do things on the cheap. Les for going along with it. Puel has only just arrived at the club and so probably give him the benefit of the doubt.
saintsmike25 Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 We need a striker - but the lack of intent, confidence, creativity and movement is clear to see, whenever Redmond or Boufal do something decent they have little or no options, once again Boufal is our best player by a country mile, shame those around him can't muster up any ambition.
OttawaSaint Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 Dear oh dear, bit more incisiveness and we'd have had an easy 3.
SotonUSA Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 Well, that was rough to watch. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
alpine_saint Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 Puel needs to go. Reed needs to learn some humility too. He isnt a footballing god who knows it all.
5string Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 Yet another disappointment. Feels like a defeat.
Sheaf Saint Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 So if you get injured you are weak... oh right:rolleyes: Wasn't me making the comment
leeham_69 Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 Next game probably worth naming Charlie on the bench in a sling, just in case?
Tauro Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 We play with ZERO pace. The first season since the new owners we've attacked with no pace.
S-Clarke Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 We could have anyone up front, they will not score with the lack of imagination we have behind them. Too ponderous and slow. The only times we got in was when we played with pace and got in behind down the left, it didn't happen enough, and it was probably the easiest defensive performance stoke will have all season.
BotleySaint Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 The only positive from tonight is that we didn't contrive to lose.
SNSUN Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 Decent point had they not been down to 10 men most of the game. Need a striker. Thank God January is close.
Pamplemousse Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 One team was trying to win, the other wasn't. J Rod missing an open goal again doesn't help either. NEW STRIKER NEEDED
Jonnyboy Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 Missing Pelle yet? Batman says he is useless.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 14 December, 2016 Author Posted 14 December, 2016 Wasn't me making the comment Yes but you seemed to agree with it...
mrfahaji Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 Let the slagging continue A point at Stoke under normal circumstances is a good result, but when the opposition goes to 10 men mid way through the first half, that's not a chance that comes along very often and we have to make the most of it. We spent most of the game in their third and failed to create anything of note. Sometimes a team defends well and deserves credit - indeed Stoke have come to St Mary's before and done so - but this was a sickenly inept performance in the attacking third.
Dalek2003 Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 Missing Pelle yet? Pelle scared the **** out of defenders creating space for others. Mane had presence and scared the **** out of defenders with his ability to accelerate and created space. We are boring and pedestrian.
Mr Biscuits Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 Can't even beat a team with a player sent off? Pathetic. Very tired of this now.
Ade Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 We need a striker - but the lack of intent, confidence, creativity and movement is clear to see, whenever Redmond or Boufal do something decent they have little or no options, once again Boufal is our best player by a country mile, shame those around him can't muster up any ambition. We have a striker, he just misses open goals every match.
St Marco Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 I'm not saying their defence is impenetrable, just that losing an attacking player doesn't make any difference to how easy it is to score against a team intent on defending a point. Would like to see some stats to back that up. Might want to give http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34350828 a read.
geoffnut Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 This lack of goals is now serious but the players are the ones responsible, however I still query this over cautious manager. COYS!
Edmonton Saint Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 Puel has to go. Fed up with him and his negative crap. He set us up for a 0-0 and did nothing to change when it was against 10 men for over 70 minutes. We've had a problem creating chances and scoring for months and he hasn't shown he has the nous to change our system or alter the fact we are woefully inept going forward. Tonight we kept getting it wide and crossing into the box? Played into Stokes hands. Didn't win a header. These players haven't become bad overnight, so you have to ask questions of the clown in charge.
ArgentinianSaint Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 Fuc*, can not believe we did not win today
Disco Stu Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 I'm lost for words at this point. I've complained enough over the last 20 games about how toothless we are. There's no point getting going on another rant. It's all too predictable.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 14 December, 2016 Author Posted 14 December, 2016 A point at Stoke under normal circumstances is a good result, but when the opposition goes to 10 men mid way through the first half, that's not a chance that comes along very often and we have to make the most of it. We spent most of the game in their third and failed to create anything of note. Sometimes a team defends well and deserves credit - indeed Stoke have come to St Mary's before and done so - but this was a sickenly inept performance in the attacking third. A little ott but agree we could not find a way to break them down... as seems to be a pattern... lack of incisive movement
washsaint Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 Seriously cack. I really feel sorry for everyone that is paying good money to go and watch a dull, lifeless, boring, toothless team week in week out. Puel has them playing some seriously dull football. Sidewards, backwards, cross to a team of midgets and don't get players in the box. Enough of this defensive s***e - take some chances and play attacking, entertaining football. This season, bar a couple of games, has been soporific. JRod, Long and Redmond are woeful. We desperately need a striker and even getting one we should recall Gallagher because our strike force is a f*****g disgrace and could not hit a barn door from 3 yards out.
Jonnyboy Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 Puel needs to go. Reed needs to learn some humility too. He isnt a footballing god who knows it all. that's a classic
OttawaSaint Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 I thought it was a decent game and an improvement on some of our performances lately. We just need to be a bit braver and stop swinging the ball in. We have Tadic, Boufal, Redmond and Bertrand all capable of making low passes to players making runs into the box. Trouble is, JWP and Davis don't believe they will score and wont make those runs.
DuncanRG Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 Puel has to go. Fed up with him and his negative crap. He set us up for a 0-0 and did nothing to change when it was against 10 men for over 70 minutes. We've had a problem creating chances and scoring for months and he hasn't shown he has the nous to change our system or alter the fact we are woefully inept going forward. Tonight we kept getting it wide and crossing into the box? Played into Stokes hands. Didn't win a header. These players haven't become bad overnight, so you have to ask questions of the clown in charge. Don't be silly. Puel has to improve and we have to improve, but he's not a clown.
Pamplemousse Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 We created chances, forced their keeper to make saves, all whilst playing against a team whose ONLY objective was to not concede. The result is not a disaster as some are trying to make out.
saintsmike25 Posted 14 December, 2016 Posted 14 December, 2016 I don't know what Puel is training but the play clearly lacks fluidity, the players look like decent players who have no understanding between each other and very little team spirit, there's no real togetherness. I don't think the players believe in Puel as they did Koeman, that's not to say Puel should be gone or whatever but whatever they're training away from the games it clearly isn't in the way of getting the best out of our players, our players ALWAYS look for safe options, if there's a pass there's no movement after it and if there is it's only one person doing it, meaning we're so easy to mark as we're predictable and one paced. Our ambition to get the ball down the flanks doesn't work as we have no aerial presence, we'll splutter our way to a mid-table finish. Our defence is excellent but without Fonte and VVD that could change very quickly.
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