Puel out

[Raging Bull]

Monk, LVG, Tuchel or Ryan Giggs whoever Reed decides will get my full support as always

 

Not a patch on your former glory, have you been drinking?

[Lord Duckhunter]

but surely a 'superb coach' wouldn't have lost the dressing room.

 

Jose- Chelsea -last season

 

Not that I'm comparing Puel to Jose, but just pointing out that managers lose dressing rooms, even the best one.

 

IF, and I've no idea if he has, the club have 2 options. Change the manager or change the players. Undoubtedly, they'll change the manager, but that doesn't make him a bad manager. Personally, I'd prefer the board followed the example quoted by Lawrie following his relegation. The Chairman called him in and said "Manager, sort it out". Given time and a set of players that want to play for him and learn from him, I think he'll do a bloody good job. He's done a decent one with 90% of the players & 85% (your figures) against him. Imagine what he'd do with 100% backing.

 

One final point is this. The players he's lost, maybe just maybe they're not as good as they think they are. Maybe it's why they're still here. Perhaps Tadic, Long, JRod & others really are brilliant players and Claude is holding them back. Or maybe they need to look in the mirror.

 

 

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[Winnersaint]

Seriously these are very good EPL players not world beaters

[GGalpin]

Puel is a very good coach as his CV shows, and even this year will finish with Saints finishing 8th and a cup final, which on paper is good by any Southampton manager's standards.

 

But I don't want him to be our manager next season. I get the argument that the quality of the squad isn't nearly as strong as it has been since 12/13, but he is ultimately responsible for their performances which in a large proportion of the season have not been good enough. We haven't scored in 20 of the 50 games this season, and in 19 home league games we've scored 17; 9 of which came in three games, so 8 goals in 16 games. Pretty grim viewing by any Premier League club's standards, let alone a club expected to finish around the top ten.

 

Is he who I want to be Saints manager? No. Does it stop him being a good coach with a good CV? No. He might be boring in his demeanour but he comes across as a decent bloke and with a family struggling to adapt to England by the sounds of it, I wish him well back in France and in the future.

[DT]

Puel is a very good coach as his CV shows, and even this year will finish with Saints finishing 8th and a cup final, which on paper is good by any Southampton manager's standards.

 

But I don't want him to be our manager next season. I get the argument that the quality of the squad isn't nearly as strong as it has been since 12/13, but he is ultimately responsible for their performances which in a large proportion of the season have not been good enough. We haven't scored in 20 of the 50 games this season, and in 19 home league games we've scored 17; 9 of which came in three games, so 8 goals in 16 games. Pretty grim viewing by any Premier League club's standards, let alone a club expected to finish around the top ten.

 

Is he who I want to be Saints manager? No. Does it stop him being a good coach with a good CV? No. He might be boring in his demeanour but he comes across as a decent bloke and with a family struggling to adapt to England by the sounds of it, I wish him well back in France and in the future.

 

Balanced. Fair. I agree. Let's move onto a new man

 

 

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[Toadhall Saint]

**** me there's a lot of egos on this thread.

[Dalek2003]

TBH, as long as the manager keeps us up I don't care. One win and 37 0-0 draws should just about do it!

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

TBH, as long as the manager keeps us up I don't care. One win and 37 0-0 draws should just about do it!

 

Positive goal difference too...

[Micky]

This is all jolly fascinating but absolutely nothing to do with the topic I was addressing.

 

People can want Puel to leave, as I do, but they can do that without being a tw at about it and sneering at how he can't possibly be a good coach when his career, including a highly respectable year in England, proves that he is clearly competent at worst and excellent at best as he has been in France.

 

I want Puel to leave but that doesn't mean the children on this forum can come out with snidey horsesh it about "if he was such a great coach..". He clearly is, on any measure, anywhere.

We differ in the fact that I want him to stay, but that is one excellent post. It's refreshing to see somebody willing to look at the bigger picture as opposed to the default "He's crap, get rid". Top post, this place badley needs some balanced opinion to outweigh the constant trolling.

 

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[Saint-Fred]

Amazin though, because my "fantasy world" has all the evidence and sports science on my side, whilst your argument doesn't actually consist of anything.

 

You make stats up..that doesn't count as science!

 

Show me the shots on target against the top 6...in the league please, stop going on about cup games...

[Batman]

the black box is nothing magical

[angelman]

TBH, as long as the manager keeps us up I don't care. One win and 37 0-0 draws should just about do it!

 

I am happy to pay to be entertained. I am not happy to pay, and pay handsomely at that, to be bored shîtless.

[doddisalegend]

Ranieri

Tuchel

LVG

Puel

 

All v good managers that have lost the dressing room.

 

Player power is at a new level at the moment. Blame everyone but themselves.

 

The Black Box has failed us.

 

not to mention Mourinho and Luis Enrique (who apparently lost the backing of Messi and Neymar)

[Dusic]

Ranieri

Tuchel

LVG

Puel

 

All v good managers that have lost the dressing room.

 

Player power is at a new level at the moment. Blame everyone but themselves.

 

The Black Box has failed us.

Shows the importance, especially at a club like ours, of having a powerful Manager.

 

Exactly why Koeman was perfect in the circumstances we hired him in. We need another Manager of that type now, someone who instantly commands respect and is clear in his ideas.

[DT]

Shows the importance, especially at a club like ours, of having a powerful Manager.

 

Exactly why Koeman was perfect in the circumstances we hired him in. We need another Manager of that type now, someone who instantly commands respect and is clear in his ideas.

 

Koeman and Pochettino had both done it all at international level. Commands respect instantly especially, with those of limited intelligence. Probably why Puel hasn't cut it. Didn't pull up les arbres at Monaco. Then again, Mourinho wasn't hugely successful as a player.

 

 

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[S-Clarke]

Koeman and Pochettino had both done it all at international level. Commands respect instantly especially, with those of limited intelligence. Probably why Puel hasn't cut it. Didn't pull up les arbres at Monaco. Then again, Mourinho wasn't hugely successful as a player.

 

 

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So you've basically discredited the point you made, by yourself.

[DT]

So you've basically discredited the point you made, by yourself.

 

Yes. Well spotted

 

 

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[Kingsbridge Saint]

I can't believe he is still here. Surely the most likely scenario now is that the Board have backed him, and in the Saints way, no announcement has been made. If so, it's very disappointing and we will most likley have to endure more turgid football next season. The way the season ended, I am convinced under Puel we will be in a relegation scrap from day 1.

[Heisenberg]

the black box is nothing magical

 

Doesn't Les Reed call it “Bridge of the Starship Enterprise”

[shurlock]

Doesn't Les Reed call it “Bridge of the Starship Enterprise”

 

He sure does.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/11366206/Gary-Neville-The-era-of-the-gaffer-is-over.html

 

Uncle Les was in full on coked up, tony montana mode those days.

 

#pridebeforethefall

[saint_stevo]

It's a Windows Server on some very tasty storage arrays

[kermitsaint]

Are you twelve years old?

 

You've never seen coaches at managers who have had success at one club/country/level fail at a different one? How long have you followed professional football?

 

The very fact that, despite his issues around language and inspiring the fanbase, he still took us to a cup final and into the top 8 is proof enough that he is clearly at very least a highly competent if not excellent top level football coach.

 

Just so fu cking childish how pathetic people are being about him on here.

Ironic how you've written this reply as it comes across as very childish also .

Puel is not a top level coach . Opinions differ , get used to it .

 

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[Norm]

Puel is a very good coach as his CV shows, and even this year will finish with Saints finishing 8th and a cup final, which on paper is good by any Southampton manager's standards.

 

But I don't want him to be our manager next season. I get the argument that the quality of the squad isn't nearly as strong as it has been since 12/13, but he is ultimately responsible for their performances which in a large proportion of the season have not been good enough. We haven't scored in 20 of the 50 games this season, and in 19 home league games we've scored 17; 9 of which came in three games, so 8 goals in 16 games. Pretty grim viewing by any Premier League club's standards, let alone a club expected to finish around the top ten.

 

Is he who I want to be Saints manager? No. Does it stop him being a good coach with a good CV? No. He might be boring in his demeanour but he comes across as a decent bloke and with a family struggling to adapt to England by the sounds of it, I wish him well back in France and in the future.

 

 

I think this this is a pretty decent post.

[alpine_saint]

Puel is a very good coach as his CV shows, and even this year will finish with Saints finishing 8th and a cup final, which on paper is good by any Southampton manager's standards.

 

But I don't want him to be our manager next season. I get the argument that the quality of the squad isn't nearly as strong as it has been since 12/13, but he is ultimately responsible for their performances which in a large proportion of the season have not been good enough. We haven't scored in 20 of the 50 games this season, and in 19 home league games we've scored 17; 9 of which came in three games, so 8 goals in 16 games. Pretty grim viewing by any Premier League club's standards, let alone a club expected to finish around the top ten.

 

Is he who I want to be Saints manager? No. Does it stop him being a good coach with a good CV? No. He might be boring in his demeanour but he comes across as a decent bloke and with a family struggling to adapt to England by the sounds of it, I wish him well back in France and in the future.

 

Fair, balanced, and spot on.

[Saint Billy]

Puel obviously is not a bad manager, his downfall at Saints is that his brand of football is not the spectacle we have come accustomed too.

 

As far losing the dressing room, if I remember correctly even RK had issues especially with his handling of the younger players.

 

I am fine with the final position in the league and I wish Puel well if he goes but will not miss the negative football he introduced last season.

[Tom & Gerry]

The only point I would add is that if you want to radically change the way a team plays you sometimes have to go through very bad times before you get to the very good. In those bad times it then requires an act of faith from fans, players and management to continue. The fans clearly do not have, and perhaps can not be expected to have that faith. Claude does not have the tools (language) to help himself in that regard. The players situation is less clear, a lot of rumour can be exagerated but without strong backing from them it puts the management in a very difficult position however much faith they may have that the manager is on the right path.

[southamptonfc]

Puel obviously is not a bad manager, his downfall at Saints is that his brand of football is not the spectacle we have come accustomed too.

 

As far losing the dressing room, if I remember correctly even RK had issues especially with his handling of the younger players.

 

I am fine with the final position in the league and I wish Puel well if he goes but will not miss the negative football he introduced last season.

 

A lot of people seem to forget that lack of strikers we had until Christmas and then we lost VVD and Fonte.

 

Negative football? More like it's a miracle we weren't relegated. Puel's ability to get results with cards he was dealt is massively underrated.

[Saint86]

A lot of people seem to forget that lack of strikers we had until Christmas and then we lost VVD and Fonte.

 

Negative football? More like it's a miracle we weren't relegated. Puel's ability to get results with cards he was dealt is massively underrated.

 

So this is more of a, "les reed out" post, than a, "Puel out post"?

[cellone]

So this is more of a, "les reed out" post, than a, "Puel out post"?

 

More of a like it is post.

[saintadam]

A lot of people seem to forget that lack of strikers we had until Christmas and then we lost VVD and Fonte.

 

Negative football? More like it's a miracle we weren't relegated. Puel's ability to get results with cards he was dealt is massively underrated.

 

That is ridiculous. We have a squad far far better than Sunderland, Burnley, Hull, Boro, Swansea, West brom.

[benjii]

That is ridiculous. We have a squad far far better than Sunderland, Burnley, Hull, Boro, Swansea, West brom.

 

And we finished above all of them.

 

Which of the teams above us do we have a better squad than?

[Manuel]

Spoke to a Man Utd mate today who wasn't impressed with LVG. Very dull, low risk, possession based football with maybe two shots on goal per game. I thought that was what we were trying to get away from?

[saintadam]

And we finished above all of them.

 

Which of the teams above us do we have a better squad than?

 

 

All of the teams above us have a better squad than us.

[danjosaint]

And we finished above all of them.

 

Which of the teams above us do we have a better squad than?

 

We've bar lukaku arguably got a better squad than Everton

[AK]

http://readsouthampton.com/2017/06/05/puel-reportedly-turns-saint-etiennes-second-offer/

 

A bit of an update.

[saintadam]

My guess is that Puel is keen on taking the Saint-Étienne job since hes no longer wanted here but want to collect his severance packages from saints first.

[benjii]

My guess is that Puel is keen on taking the Saint-Étienne job since hes no longer wanted here but want to collect his severance packages from saints first.

 

I dunno. We must have given them permission to speak with him if negotiations are that advanced / overt and, if so, I doubt the club is under illusions that he's just going to just resign and walk-away from any termination payments owed.

 

Hard to see a way back here, though, if we have approved an approach.

[Faz]

My guess is that Puel is keen on taking the Saint-Étienne job since hes no longer wanted here but want to collect his severance packages from saints first.

 

It generally doesn't work like that though, I believe. Essentially Saints put him on gardening leave, and continue to pay his salary. If he wants to accept an offer somewhere else, then the compo/salary discussion gets going.

[Window Cleaner]

My guess is that Puel is keen on taking the Saint-Étienne job since hes no longer wanted here but want to collect his severance packages from saints first.

 

Well here's a little bijou for you all from L'Equipe who are saying that he has turned them down....again.

St Etienne are far too lowly for a bloke like Puel, they pay peanuts and are basically mediocre...and I go to watch them from time to time.

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[James]

Well here's a little bijou for you all from L'Equipe who are saying that he has turned them down....again.

St Etienne are far too lowly for a bloke like Puel, they pay peanuts and are basically mediocre...and I go to watch them from time to time.

 

They still did better than we did in the Europa League...

[Window Cleaner]

They still did better than we did in the Europa League...

 

Well really that's no yardstick is it. We should have done better but we screwed up because we just couldn't score when it was needed. Probably because we had no strikers worth the name. They were absolutely "minable" against Utd, just out of their league really, we at least put up a decent performance against Utd in the LC final. Galtier left because he just wasn't getting anywhere, no money, poor pay, team made up from dregs, all the best players sold for whatever they could get for them. Don't think Galtier has another job yet, could be wrong, but he just wasn't interested in giving up any more of his life on a bunch of cheapskates. Before StE was a historic club but these last few years have been a real trial.

[striker]

Seems odd that he would turn down the ASSE job if he was truly getting sacked from here. That would be a very good landing place for him.

[Pamplemousse]

Well really that's no yardstick is it. We should have done better but we screwed up because we just couldn't score when it was needed. Probably because we had no strikers worth the name. They were absolutely "minable" against Utd, just out of their league really, we at least put up a decent performance against Utd in the LC final. Galtier left because he just wasn't getting anywhere, no money, poor pay, team made up from dregs, all the best players sold for whatever they could get for them. Don't think Galtier has another job yet, could be wrong, but he just wasn't interested in giving up any more of his life on a bunch of cheapskates. Before StE was a historic club but these last few years have been a real trial.

 

That ties in with what the Sainté ITKs were saying - they want a manager who will promote young players and have a 'homegrown squad'

[SuperSAINT]

Or our first choice is still in another role and when the dominos start falling it'll happen quickly.

 

After your "Liverpool / Van Dijk" post, the above has got me interested...

[DT]

http://readsouthampton.com/2017/06/05/puel-reportedly-turns-saint-etiennes-second-offer/

 

A bit of an update.

 

If a news article contains 'only time will tell ' you know that the report is bogus and journalist is not worth his salt. Little tip from journalism school

 

 

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[Window Cleaner]

That ties in with what the Sainté ITKs were saying - they want a manager who will promote young players and have a 'homegrown squad'

 

Ooh they don't care where it comes from as long as it's cheap. From what I can gather their total budget is somewhere around 40 to 50 million £ a season. That's what, about a third of ours? Galtier was on about 90K euros a month, so 17 or 18 K£ a week if you like it in those terms. I seem to remember from an article from Le Progès, which is the local rag, that ASSE operate a strict salary cap, 90K euros gross a month, there may be bonus payments of sorts on top but it really is chicken feed money when you take out all of the social charges that you have to pay.

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[SKD]

If a news article contains 'only time will tell ' you know that the report is bogus and journalist is not worth his salt. Little tip from journalism school

 

 

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Yep, it's written by Luke Osman, who if you look on twitter, appears to think he's a journalist, on the basis that he just puts other reports into his own words.

 

On par with those 2 clowns that do that saints fan TV.

[SuperSAINT]

For history buffs: Ronald resigned & joined Everton June 14th of last year (Which is a week this Wednesday).

[The9]

You make stats up..that doesn't count as science!

 

Show me the shots on target against the top 6...in the league please, stop going on about cup games...

 

I haven't done that once.

 

Find it for yourself, it's your attempt at making a point.

[The9]

Well really that's no yardstick is it. We should have done better but we screwed up because we just couldn't score when it was needed. Probably because we had no strikers worth the name.

 

We screwed up in the Europa League because we conceded when we absolutely had to not do so. We then scored almost immediately. Scoring wasn't even needed, not conceding was.