angelman Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 I find it interesting that St Etienne's supporters seem to be very keen on getting him, while our supporters are the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 Ok cheers. If anything is imminent, I reckon a Jeremy Wilson Telegraph article will be forthcoming. He is def Saints link for releasing their news! Mon or Tues would be my guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 I find it interesting that St Etienne's supporters seem to be very keen on getting him, while our supporters are the opposite. TBf, I think Claude is a decent manager, just not suited to the rigours of Premier football! Think he will be more comfortable back in France Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 I find it interesting that St Etienne's supporters seem to be very keen on getting him, while our supporters are the opposite. He's still a good coach. Left Nice in a very good position, so he's probably a very good choice for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 I find it interesting that St Etienne's supporters seem to be very keen on getting him, while our supporters are the opposite. He's clearly a very good coach with an excellent reputation but it's just not gelled for him or the club here at Saints. It happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 I find it interesting that St Etienne's supporters seem to be very keen on getting him, while our supporters are the opposite. completely different style of play in France to here though isn't it. They won't mind 70 passes sideways and back to get nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 (edited) Ok cheers. If anything is imminent, I reckon a Jeremy Wilson Telegraph article will be forthcoming. It also says he should be announced there at the end of next week Edited 4 June, 2017 by Pamplemousse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 Seems mixed to me, some ok some not... No real passion either way. Read a few comments on Facebook which were against him being appointed. Similar to his appointment here, think the fanbase were fully behind him at the start, but he killed our passion and support with his horrific playing style and his own poor personality. St. E are very very welcome to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 Seems mixed to me, some ok some not... No real passion either way. Read a few comments on Facebook which were against him being appointed. Similar to his appointment here, think the fanbase were fully behind him at the start, but he killed our passion and support with his horrific playing style and his own poor personality. St. E are very very welcome to him. Read their forum and he appears the no.1 choice among posters. Thought that would be clear for a fluent French speaker as yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 It's not mixed at all. He is their unanimous choice. Unlike our supporters, they seem mostly an intelligent and level-headed bunch, who can recognise a superb coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 Seems mixed to me, some ok some not... No real passion either way. Read a few comments on Facebook which were against him being appointed. Similar to his appointment here, think the fanbase were fully behind him at the start, but he killed our passion and support with his horrific playing style and his own poor personality. St. E are very very welcome to him. Le maître artisan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectraman Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 It's not mixed at all. He is their unanimous choice. Unlike our supporters, they seem mostly an intelligent and level-headed bunch, who can recognise a superb coach. I can recognise a superb coach, and Puel isn't. Easy. Next... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 It's not mixed at all. He is their unanimous choice. Unlike our supporters, they seem mostly an intelligent and level-headed bunch, who can recognise a superb coach. Genuine question..... if he's such a good coach, why do 90% of our squad want him gone? Of course it could be down to 1 or 2 senior players not liking him/the coaching staff, and turning everyone else against him, but surely a 'superb coach' wouldn't have lost the dressing room. His lack of English wouldn't have helped (fair play to him for having a go though) but that didn't stop poch who generally is a superb coach. Ultimately, IMO, his style just doesn't suit the premier league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 Genuine question..... if he's such a good coach, why do 90% of our squad want him gone? What evidence to you have to support such a claim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 It's not mixed at all. He is their unanimous choice. Unlike our supporters, they seem mostly an intelligent and level-headed bunch, who can recognise a superb coach. A good 85% of our home supporters, and probably the vast majority of the squad would disagree. I wish him every success back in France. Some things just don't work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 Genuine question..... if he's such a good coach, why do 90% of our squad want him gone? Of course it could be down to 1 or 2 senior players not liking him/the coaching staff, and turning everyone else against him, but surely a 'superb coach' wouldn't have lost the dressing room. His lack of English wouldn't have helped (fair play to him for having a go though) but that didn't stop poch who generally is a superb coach. Ultimately, IMO, his style just doesn't suit the premier league. Because they are greedy gits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 Genuine question..... if he's such a good coach, why do 90% of our squad want him gone? Of course it could be down to 1 or 2 senior players not liking him/the coaching staff, and turning everyone else against him, but surely a 'superb coach' wouldn't have lost the dressing room. His lack of English wouldn't have helped (fair play to him for having a go though) but that didn't stop poch who generally is a superb coach. Ultimately, IMO, his style just doesn't suit the premier league. 90% of our squad? Says who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 Because they are greedy gits What would getting rid of Puel do to their bank balance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 Genuine question..... if he's such a good coach, why do 90% of our squad want him gone? Of course it could be down to 1 or 2 senior players not liking him/the coaching staff, and turning everyone else against him, but surely a 'superb coach' wouldn't have lost the dressing room. His lack of English wouldn't have helped (fair play to him for having a go though) but that didn't stop poch who generally is a superb coach. Ultimately, IMO, his style just doesn't suit the premier league. Are you twelve years old? You've never seen coaches at managers who have had success at one club/country/level fail at a different one? How long have you followed professional football? The very fact that, despite his issues around language and inspiring the fanbase, he still took us to a cup final and into the top 8 is proof enough that he is clearly at very least a highly competent if not excellent top level football coach. Just so fu cking childish how pathetic people are being about him on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 90% of our squad? Says who? Says me. A large number want him gone you've been told many times, by many people, get your head out of the sand. Going to answer the question now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 Are you twelve years old? You've never seen coaches at managers who have had success at one club/country/level fail at a different one? How long have you followed professional football? The very fact that, despite his issues around language and inspiring the fanbase, he still took us to a cup final and into the top 8 is proof enough that he is clearly at very least a highly competent if not excellent top level football coach. Just so fu cking childish how pathetic people are being about him on here. I've no doubt he's a decent enough manger, as I said, his style just doesn't suit the PL. however, if he is such a great coach, why don't the players like him... after all, they are the ones that experience this great coaching every day. Or are they just as stupid as the fans who pay to watch it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 Says me. A large number want him gone you've been told many times, by many people, get your head out of the sand. Going to answer the question now? You're resorting to making up random statistics, so there is no point discussing anything with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 Genuine question..... if he's such a good coach, why do 90% of our squad want him gone? Of course it could be down to 1 or 2 senior players not liking him/the coaching staff, and turning everyone else against him, but surely a 'superb coach' wouldn't have lost the dressing room. His lack of English wouldn't have helped (fair play to him for having a go though) but that didn't stop poch who generally is a superb coach. Ultimately, IMO, his style just doesn't suit the premier league. you won't want Tuchel or Ranieri then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 I've no doubt he's a decent enough manger, as I said, his style just doesn't suit the PL. however, if he is such a great coach, why don't the players like him... after all, they are the ones that experience this great coaching every day. Or are they just as stupid as the fans who pay to watch it? All the players loved Steve Wigley and Stuart Gray. What's your point. Whoever we get in to replace him I could n't give a flying fu ck whether the players "like" him or not. That's the approach taken by the managers I admire in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectraman Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 (edited) Are you twelve years old? You've never seen coaches at managers who have had success at one club/country/level fail at a different one? How long have you followed professional football? The very fact that, despite his issues around language and inspiring the fanbase, he still took us to a cup final and into the top 8 is proof enough that he is clearly at very least a highly competent if not excellent top level football coach. Just so fu cking childish how pathetic people are being about him on here. It's a forum, people have opinions. Just clearly not the same as yours, but nevertheless entirely valid. A cup final we lost, and 8th place 20 points behind last year. I genuinely believe that MP or RK with our squad from last year would have exceeded that points total. The football at home was boring, his absolute insistence on safety first was boring, and his substitutions throughout the season were at best safe, at worst boring. I haven't renewed my season ticket until I know what's happening. If he stays I will pick and choose my games, no point watching the big boys because the games were dire. You clearly have watched us at home this season, and I say this year was absolute gash at home. Started cr4p against Watford and Sunderland, ended cr4p against Stoke. Lots of ****e sandwiched in between. Call me entitled. Call me not a fan. Call me what you want. I have my own mind, and what my own eyes saw was gash. My two kids wanted to go home at half time on more than one occasion- they are the future Saints season ticket holders, and they were....bored. Our opinions differ, but I can accept someone's differing opinion, can you? Edited 4 June, 2017 by vectraman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 You're resorting to making up random statistics, so there is no point discussing anything with you. Believe me, I'm not making anything up 90% may not be a fully accurate percentage (not far off) but believe me, 'the dressing room' want him gone. Let's just say that not many are in favour of him and/or his coaching staff. Seems like you don't want to discuss because you can't answer. Fair enough. If you don't believe me, there are numerous reports in the papers which advise he has lost the dressing room . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 All the players loved Steve Wigley and Stuart Gray. What's your point. Whoever we get in to replace him I could n't give a flying fu ck whether the players "like" him or not. That's the approach taken by the managers I admire in football. I'm not sure they disliked him personally. It seems that professionally they didn't rate his coaching, training sessions or tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 All the players loved Steve Wigley and Stuart Gray. What's your point. Whoever we get in to replace him I could n't give a flying fu ck whether the players "like" him or not. That's the approach taken by the managers I admire in football. Let's get things straight, there is a massive difference between being a good coach and a good manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 You're resorting to making up random statistics, so there is no point discussing anything with you. I think your heads gone. For months you have been in denial that he (for what ever reason) will leave the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 you won't want Tuchel or Ranieri then.... Wouldn't touch Ranieri with a barge pole. Tuchel is hard and commands respect, a bit like our last manager... obviously some of the bigger egos in the dressing room won't like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 Wouldn't touch Ranieri with a barge pole. Tuchel is hard and commands respect, a bit like our last manager... obviously some of the pre madonas in the dressing room won't like that. ...but both lost the dressing rooms at their last clubs. Tuchel's captain came out and openly criticised him about his team selection after winning a cup final. Obviously both are poor managers/coaches because they lost their respective dressing rooms..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 I think your heads gone. For months you have been in denial that he (for what ever reason) will leave the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 It's a forum, people have opinions. Just clearly not the same as yours, but nevertheless entirely valid. A cup final we lost, and 8th place 20 points behind last year. I genuinely believe that MP or RK with our squad from last year would have exceeded that points total. The football at home was boring, his absolute insistence on safety first was boring, and his substitutions throughout the season were at best safe, at worst boring. I haven't renewed my season ticket until I know what's happening. If he stays I will pick and choose my games, no point watching the big boys because the games were dire. You clearly have watched us at home this season, and I say this year was absolute gash at home. Started cr4p against Watford and Sunderland, ended cr4p against Stoke. Lots of ****e sandwiched in between. Call me entitled. Call me not a fan. Call me what you want. I have my own mind, and what my own eyes saw was gash. My two kids wanted to go home at half time on more than one occasion- they are the future Saints season ticket holders, and they were....bored. Our opinions differ, but I can accept someone's differing opinion, can you? This is all jolly fascinating but absolutely nothing to do with the topic I was addressing. People can want Puel to leave, as I do, but they can do that without being a tw at about it and sneering at how he can't possibly be a good coach when his career, including a highly respectable year in England, proves that he is clearly competent at worst and excellent at best as he has been in France. I want Puel to leave but that doesn't mean the children on this forum can come out with snidey horsesh it about "if he was such a great coach..". He clearly is, on any measure, anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 Wouldn't touch Ranieri with a barge pole. Tuchel is hard and commands respect, a bit like our last manager... obviously some of the bigger egos in the dressing room won't like that. If Tuchel was such as great coach then why didnt those players like him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 ...but both lost the dressing rooms at their last clubs. Tuchel's captain came out and openly criticised him about his team selection after winning a cup final. Obviously both are poor managers/coaches because they lost their respective dressing rooms..... I can only go on the information I've been given, which I suspect is a lot more than you or pamplemousse, as it comes first hand from someone at the club. A superb coach wouldn't have the players bored ****less and completly disinterested during training sessions. A lot of this could be down to black, but surely as a manager he should spot the issues and make changes? As for Tuchel I have no idea about his training methods, but from what I've seen it looks like he ****ed off one or two of the senior players who still couldn't get their tounge from Klopps arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 This is all jolly fascinating but absolutely nothing to do with the topic I was addressing. People can want Puel to leave, as I do, but they can do that without being a tw at about it and sneering at how he can't possibly be a good coach when his career, including a highly respectable year in England, proves that he is clearly competent at worst and excellent at best as he has been in France. I want Puel to leave but that doesn't mean the children on this forum can come out with snidey horsesh it about "if he was such a great coach..". He clearly is, on any measure, anywhere. When did I say he was a poor coach? Just not as good a few have made out on here (based on absolutely nothing at all, it would seem). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectraman Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 This is all jolly fascinating but absolutely nothing to do with the topic I was addressing. People can want Puel to leave, as I do, but they can do that without being a tw at about it and sneering at how he can't possibly be a good coach when his career, including a highly respectable year in England, proves that he is clearly competent at worst and excellent at best as he has been in France. I want Puel to leave but that doesn't mean the children on this forum can come out with snidey horsesh it about "if he was such a great coach..". He clearly is, on any measure, anywhere. And I don't think he is great. Not in the in the premier league. I'm not sure competent would be a word I would use. Either. With the squad he had at his disposal, imo he should have done better. Much better, especially in a terrible Europa league group. Playing for a 0-0 at home to Hapoel is not, imo a sign of a competent or better coach. That was the game when I had real doubts about him as a coach, with his European experience. Coupled with poor recruitment, last season was poor. If we took Puel on because he wouldn't question our recruitment policy, and would go with what he was told and sold, it also reflects badly on Saints as a club. I believe Puel was never our no.1 option, but we got him because he would go with the flow. This summer is critical for Saints. If we sell some of our top players, and replace with average/ poor like last season, we will really struggle under Puel. Just my opinion of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 When did I say he was a poor coach? Just not as good a few have made out on here (based on absolutely nothing at all, it would seem). So you're not saying he is poor but anyone saying he is good is basing it on nothing at all. Glad you've cleared that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 You live in a fantasy world. Amazin though, because my "fantasy world" has all the evidence and sports science on my side, whilst your argument doesn't actually consist of anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 So you're not saying he is poor but anyone saying he is good is basing it on nothing at all. Glad you've cleared that up. What evidence have you seen to suggest he is a "superb coach" as quoted? I'd say he is an average mid/lower mid table manager, with a style that is not suited to English football. As a coach, from what I've been told, the first teams training sessions have been far from superb.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 Amazin though, because my "fantasy world" has all the evidence and sports science on my side, whilst your argument doesn't actually consist of anything. you once backed up your view that sharp was better than lambert with 'evidence' so..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 Just had a look..despite the draw at City we only had THREE shots on target against them in the two games...against Liverpool in the league at home we didn't have a shot on target..against Chelsea at home we didn't have a shot on target..if you want to talk penalties..Spurs were a penalty miss away from scoring five against us....you were right, I was wrong actually we were a billion miles away from the top six when we played them...despite the few examples you have given. So apart from the two wins, away draw and very unlucky Cup Final defeat against top 6 sides we were a billion miles from them? Is it even worth me pointing out that we didn't win most of our games against those "top 6" sides when we actually finished in the top 6, and actually we got up there just by being comfortably better than the other 13 teams (after all, that's 78 points if you beat them all twice)? Everton got 61 this season and were 8 points off the top 6, but usually (especially when all the usual suspects have Europe) anything upwards of 60 points is a top 6 challenging season. 63 got us 6th the year before, Liverpool were 8th on 60 but could have come 6th until the final day. The year before that 6th was 62, we were 7th on 60. 2013/14 was like this season (56 points got us 8th). 63 pts for 6th the year before, 64 the year before that (but 54 got you 7th). So basically, even if the top sides somehow manage to do what they did this season again, and we lose to ALL of them, we can still challenge for 6th anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 I think your heads gone. For months you have been in denial that he (for what ever reason) will leave the club No, you're wrong. I said my PERSONAL OPINION was he SHOULDN'T leave, I never said that he would leave or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 No, you're wrong. I said my PERSONAL OPINION was he SHOULDN'T leave, I never said that he would leave or not. are YOU sure? All of this is irrelevant anyway. We're not going to sack Puel at all, not for likely finishing in the top half of the table. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 you once backed up your view that sharp was better than lambert with 'evidence' so..... Actually I didn't. That one was just based on my feeling that Lambert was getting on a bit and wouldn't be as effective as he had been in the Premier League. As it turns out I was about 12-18 months early on that one. I'm sure the distance run stats for Lambert will bear out the evidence - Sharp also has never come close to being as fit as he was at the end of that Championship season again for anyone either. Bit of a punt without any supporting evidence at the time, that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 (edited) So apart from the two wins, away draw and very unlucky Cup Final defeat against top 6 sides we were a billion miles from them? Is it even worth me pointing out that we didn't win most of our games against those "top 6" sides when we actually finished in the top 6,and actually we got up there just by being comfortably better than the other 13 teams (after all, that's 78 points if you beat them all twice)? Everton got 61 this season and were 8 points off the top 6, but usually (especially when all the usual suspects have Europe) anything upwards of 60 points is a top 6 challenging season. 63 got us 6th the year before, Liverpool were 8th on 60 but could have come 6th until the final day. The year before that 6th was 62, we were 7th on 60. 2013/14 was like this season (56 points got us 8th). 63 pts for 6th the year before, 64 the year before that (but 54 got you 7th). So basically, even if the top sides somehow manage to do what they did this season again, and we lose to ALL of them, we can still challenge for 6th anyway. What tripe. We picked up plenty of points against the traditional top 6 sides when we actually finished in the top 6. Results (home:away) below: Arsenal WD Man C WL Tottenham LW Man U LW Liverpool WD Chelsea LW In sum, we picked up 20 points in 2015/16, compared to 4 points in 2016/17, a 16 point differential. That explains virtually all of the difference between our two league finishes, given we finished 17 points better off in 2015/16 than last season. Edited 4 June, 2017 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 The LVG story is everywhere. Not sure I believe it. He isn't a Saints type appointment. The Dortmund bloke fits the bill more so than hin. Anyway, hasn't LVG been known to play pretty drab football too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Albert Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 The LVG story is everywhere. Not sure I believe it. He isn't a Saints type appointment. The Dortmund bloke fits the bill more so than hin. Anyway, hasn't LVG been known to play pretty drab football too? It was certainly drab at Man U. I would be irritated if we end up with LVG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 Monk, LVG, Tuchel or Ryan Giggs whoever Reed decides will get my full support as always Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 4 June, 2017 Share Posted 4 June, 2017 Monk, LVG, Tuchel or Ryan Giggs whoever Reed decides will get my full support as always You're better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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