Fitzhugh Fella Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 The club are riding two horses at present but sooner or later are going to have to take a decision. My money is still firmly on him going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 Optimistic for a top 6 challenge. Though that depends at least as much on the transfer policy and any takeover news as it does the manager. You don't honestly mean that. He is an awful manager. Yes his style is dull but even worse are his tactics. No plan B whatsoever. There is no way he can take us further. We will be down in relegation fight next season with him at the helm. Sent from my SM-A300FU using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 So...how are we all going to feel when Puel is in the technical area come the opening day of next season? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk A bit like you would if Adkins was there.... Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 Puels position and future at SFC became untenable when he sneakily went for interviews with St. E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shance Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 Puels position and future at SFC became untenable when he sneakily went for interviews with St. E I very much doubt he did it sneakily whilst under contract. The club will have told him their plans. If he's looking for a new job then he already knows we want a new manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 Puel knew what was going on before the season ended. The St. E link is telling. If Puel accepts that job, we don't have to pay out compensation. Puel would take a return to France for family reasons and saints get an easier way out. Everyone is happy. Lots happening behind the scenes I imagine. Fans will always be impatient. This is the most reasonable summary in nearly 3000 posts on here. There was clearly discontent before the end of the season and all parties agreed to leave it until the season was over. For some reason, Krueger made it a public statement. Puel may be interested in going back to France, we may want to let him go. Right now we need to let the St E link run its course and see if anything comes of that. If not, the club has to make a decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 I would have thought we're keen on replacing Puel because he isn't a very good manager. If we're not, it suggests we are content with drab football and an exodus of players who don't like him or drab football. You're unlikely to see the players complaining about us playing drab football for two reasons. Firstly they probably have more evidence than anyone about their levels of fatigue and why we've very occasionally played to reserve energy. Secondly because the stats show we create plenty of chances, and it's their fault we don't take them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 A bit like you would if Adkins was there.... Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 This is the most reasonable summary in nearly 3000 posts on here. There was clearly discontent before the end of the season and all parties agreed to leave it until the season was over. For some reason, Krueger made it a public statement. Puel may be interested in going back to France, we may want to let him go. Right now we need to let the St E link run its course and see if anything comes of that. If not, the club has to make a decision. Krueger didn't make any kind of statement referencing the manager other than telling Solent that Krueger isn't a football person and the club have an end of season review every season, that Krueger isn't part of. Anything beyond that is simply made up based on what people wanted to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 I very much doubt he did it sneakily whilst under contract. The club will have told him their plans. If he's looking for a new job then he already knows we want a new manager. you're probably right Shance mate - just made my blood boil when I thought of him sneaking off behind Reeds back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 You don't honestly mean that. He is an awful manager. Yes his style is dull but even worse are his tactics. No plan B whatsoever. There is no way he can take us further. We will be down in relegation fight next season with him at the helm. No, I do honestly mean that. Puel's worst enemy this season has been the fixture schedule. He may have chosen a couple of energy-conserving games where we tried to nick a goal and play possession the rest of the time (obviously the Europa aways, but also a couple of home games in amongst the busy fixtures) but they were as a direct result of needing to prevent players getting fatigued and subsequently injured. The fact remains (and it is a fact, supported by chance created and goal stats) that had we taken anything resembling an average number of chances, or stopped anything resembling an average number of shots, we'd have significantly better off in terms of points. That is not the manager's fault, that is entirely down to the players not executing at key moments on the pitch. With fewer games likely next season (in fact guaranteed unless we get to both domestic cup finals) the players will be fresher and create even more chances than the ones we have done (same number as Arsenal, FWIW), and given that fatigue is known to affect the ability to perform key movements correctly, we'll most likely be better at taking them as well. All of which says that if we do the exact same things again as we did in 2016/17 but without the tiredness, we'll get more points than we did in 2016/17 too. So yeah, I'd be optimistic, because the stats say we couldn't be much worse than we were at scoring and stopping goals, and we're not likely to be that bad again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 you're probably right Shance mate - just made my blood boil when I thought of him sneaking off behind Reeds back. did your blood really boil? You'll be happy for him to be sacked but not for him to be approached by other clubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 you're probably right Shance mate - just made my blood boil when I thought of him sneaking off behind Reeds back. Okay for us to be looking for his replacement behind his back though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 did your blood really boil? You'll be happy for him to be sacked but not for him to be approached by other clubs? When i read the article about his Judas I was fuming yes. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/3671149/claude-puel-expects-to-be-sacked-at-southampton-and-has-already-held-secret-talks-with-ligue-1-side-st-etienne/ sorry just don't like snakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 Okay for us to be looking for his replacement behind his back though? Yeah!! The old double standards.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 When i read the article about his Judas I was fuming yes. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/3671149/claude-puel-expects-to-be-sacked-at-southampton-and-has-already-held-secret-talks-with-ligue-1-side-st-etienne/ sorry just don't like snakes You've linked The Sun and therefore automatically lose the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 Haha just posted literally the same on Tuchel thread.. Expect we talk to the same people, CL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 You've linked The Sun and therefore automatically lose the discussion. Oh don't be so pathetic. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 Puel knew what was going on before the season ended. The St. E link is telling. If Puel accepts that job, we don't have to pay out compensation. Puel would take a return to France for family reasons and saints get an easier way out. Everyone is happy. Lots happening behind the scenes I imagine. Fans will always be impatient. That makes no sense. If the club told Puel he won't be here next season why would he not wait to be fired, get the compensation he would be owed, and then get another job? Also why would saints just not fire him we don't need and easy out. Considering the drop in season ticket sales and the rumours of players leaving if Puel stays it would have made more sense for saints to sack Puel a couple of weeks before the end of the season to send out a message to unhappy fans and players. There seems to be little reason to drag this out unless the club were happy for Puel to carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 No, I do honestly mean that. Puel's worst enemy this season has been the fixture schedule. He may have chosen a couple of energy-conserving games where we tried to nick a goal and play possession the rest of the time (obviously the Europa aways, but also a couple of home games in amongst the busy fixtures) but they were as a direct result of needing to prevent players getting fatigued and subsequently injured. The fact remains (and it is a fact, supported by chance created and goal stats) that had we taken anything resembling an average number of chances, or stopped anything resembling an average number of shots, we'd have significantly better off in terms of points. That is not the manager's fault, that is entirely down to the players not executing at key moments on the pitch. With fewer games likely next season (in fact guaranteed unless we get to both domestic cup finals) the players will be fresher and create even more chances than the ones we have done (same number as Arsenal, FWIW), and given that fatigue is known to affect the ability to perform key movements correctly, we'll most likely be better at taking them as well. All of which says that if we do the exact same things again as we did in 2016/17 but without the tiredness, we'll get more points than we did in 2016/17 too. So yeah, I'd be optimistic, because the stats say we couldn't be much worse than we were at scoring and stopping goals, and we're not likely to be that bad again. I posted a similar missive on this or another thread a couple of weeks ago. Puel was dealt his hand and can only work to players strengths and cover their weaknesses. He cannot legislate for the negligence of JRod, Long, Tadic , Boufal and others in not being able to get a ball on target with enough power to ensure the keeper cannot react quickly enough. People paid far less manage this on a consistent basis, we struck unlucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 For me this is where we are , we know the end of year review has happened , if it was decided that Puel was staying they would have announced it by now . So he is going logic dictates that this is the case . Now we have two issues .....maybe three 1) Are the board hoping that he gets offered the St Ettiene job so that it can be seen as mutual consent and the club do not seem so harsh sacking him. 2) Do we in turn want to line up the replacement 3) Are we waiting for the alleged takeover of the club because the new owners want to appoint there man Lots to consider but one thing for sure Puel is toast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 For me this is where we are , we know the end of year review has happened , if it was decided that Puel was staying they would have announced it by now . So he is going logic dictates that this is the case . Now we have two issues .....maybe three 1) Are the board hoping that he gets offered the St Ettiene job so that it can be seen as mutual consent and the club do not seem so harsh sacking him. 2) Do we in turn want to line up the replacement 3) Are we waiting for the alleged takeover of the club because the new owners want to appoint there man Lots to consider but one thing for sure Puel is toast Strange logic how many clubs announce the manager is staying? and why would 1 matter? The Club sacked Adkins, who was probably one of the most popular mangers we have had in recent times, with out batting an eye lid about how it appeared. If anything given the general consensus from the fan base sacking Puel would probably be seen as a good thing. 2 shouldn't be an issue isn't Les supposed to be the King of succession planning? If he had decided to replace Puel you'd have thought the decision would have been made weeks ago and the wheels would have already been in place to bring in his replacement. If they aren't that probably means the club weren't looking to replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 If nothing's changing why would the club make a statement? Making a statement just makes people think there's something going on. Something i've noticed about Les Reed. When he makes a statement - something we won't like is about to happen. When we all know something is going on in the background and he doesn't make a statement - Something we will like is going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobes8 Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 You don't honestly mean that. He is an awful manager. Yes his style is dull but even worse are his tactics. No plan B whatsoever. There is no way he can take us further. We will be down in relegation fight next season with him at the helm. Sent from my SM-A300FU using Tapatalk His biggest issue is that his substitutions never change a game in a positive way and we look totally disjointed when they happen. Poor on the training ground from both puel and black. Been borefest football, club cold calling fans to get them to renew, majority of fans had enough, poor atmosphere at st Mary's for the majority of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 I think st etienne are waiting for us to pull the trigger and we're waiting for them to make an approach. Would be typical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 His biggest issue is that his substitutions never change a game in a positive way and we look totally disjointed when they happen. Poor on the training ground from both puel and black. Been borefest football, club cold calling fans to get them to renew, majority of fans had enough, poor atmosphere at st Mary's for the majority of last season. Spot on. Sms not exactly known for its vibrant atmosphere at the best if times but when their is very little football to get on the edge of you're seat for it just saps the fans energy. Same impact on players as well. Sent from my SM-A300FU using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 You're unlikely to see the players complaining about us playing drab football for two reasons. Firstly they probably have more evidence than anyone about their levels of fatigue and why we've very occasionally played to reserve energy. Secondly because the stats show we create plenty of chances, and it's their fault we don't take them. Do you seriously think the drab football is down to fatigue/energy conservation? And what about the chronic lack of movement ? For me we've been insipid and whatever way you look at it. 17 home goals all season is not entirely down to opportunities spurned - that's a flaw in the tactical and coaching side as well. Didn't we buy Gabbiadini to 'fix' the goal issue then subsequently starved him of chances? We've got enough firepower alongside him to muster a few more goals, despite their indifferent seasons. Tadic, renowned for his assist making has been dire. I don't attribute hat just to Tadic, I'd also put the blame squarely on our coaching and tactical setup. Talking of which... how many times this season have we only had one or two players in the box for crosses? Too many to count... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 I think st etienne are waiting for us to pull the trigger and we're waiting for them to make an approach. Would be typical Why would we **** about? If we don't want him we should pay him off and have done with it . No club is going to pay us to take a manager that rumour suggests we are going to can anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 His biggest issue is that his substitutions never change a game in a positive way and we look totally disjointed when they happen. Poor on the training ground from both puel and black. Been borefest football, club cold calling fans to get them to renew, majority of fans had enough, poor atmosphere at st Mary's for the majority of last season. Yeah because most of them lack quality. Boufal, Long and Jrod were guilty of coming on as subs and being absolute horse turd on numerous occassions. Who ever the manger is next season the current squad needs some serious work in midfield, attack and GK and that's assuming the defence isn't sold off this summer as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 Why would we **** about? If we don't want him we should pay him off and have done with it . No club is going to pay us to take a manager that rumour suggests we are going to can anyway. We could always put him on gardening leave, with compensation due to us if he takes another job. Get round it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 Optimistic for a top 6 challenge. Though that depends at least as much on the transfer policy and any takeover news as it does the manager. This does make me laugh...and someone said the Puel out camp were unrealistic in their view of where the club sits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 We could always put him on gardening leave, with compensation due to us if he takes another job. Get round it that way. Don't know we wouldn't just pay up his compensation if we no longer want him. Trying to get out of giving him what he is owed pretty small time ( if that is what's going on) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 If SFC think Puel can keep us up next year, they will stick with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 If SFC think Puel can keep us up next year, they will stick with him. Only Hoddle can guarantee that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 Reed has bottled it as we knew he would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 I think st etienne are waiting for us to pull the trigger and we're waiting for them to make an approach. Would be typical If we don't want to pay off Puel and they don't want to pay us compensation... can the clubs not agree a free transfer? Or are there still contractual fees which have to be paid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 If we don't want to pay off Puel and they don't want to pay us compensation... can the clubs not agree a free transfer? Or are there still contractual fees which have to be paid? Guess it might be a dispute over wages. If Puel has 2 years left at 3.2m and St. E are only offering 2m a year he wont quit unless we make up the difference. Hes probably now hoping for the sack so we have to pay up in full to him and his useless coaching team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 Don't know we wouldn't just pay up his compensation if we no longer want him. Trying to get out of giving him what he is owed pretty small time ( if that is what's going on) Yes, but he isn't 'owed' anything if a deal is agreed for him to move elsewhere, whilst he is still under contract to us. In fact, St Etienne would have to compensate us. It's hardly small time or miserly for Saints to be hoping for payment if Puel goes, as opposed to having to pay him to go. It's good business sense. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 If we don't want to pay off Puel and they don't want to pay us compensation... can the clubs not agree a free transfer? Or are there still contractual fees which have to be paid? There would be nothing stopping all involved parties agreeing to this. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 Don't know we wouldn't just pay up his compensation if we no longer want him. Trying to get out of giving him what he is owed pretty small time ( if that is what's going on) Is this a serious point? Why would anyone pay out 2 years of their managers contract (lets say that is probably in the region of £2/3m, minimum I would suspect), along with his coaching staff (probably another couple of £m) when someone could pay you for their services...? We are in no rush to sack him (I'm sure he knows that his time is up) and it would be cheaper for us to keep him on the pay role (rather than sacking him and paying compo) until it is decided if another club will take him. Not small time at all. Sensible business to be honest. Also, saves face for the club and manager as others have pointed out. I suspect what will happen is he'll go to St Etienne and they'll pay us a minimal fee. Unfortunately, I don't think he will take Black with him (he'd be very stupid to do so), so we will have to pay him to go (maybe this will be what St Etienne pay us?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 Yes, but he isn't 'owed' anything if a deal is agreed for him to move elsewhere, whilst he is still under contract to us. In fact, St Etienne would have to compensate us. It's hardly small time or miserly for Saints to be hoping for payment if Puel goes, as opposed to having to pay him to go. It's good business sense. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk It is if we want him out. And why would anyone compensate us if they know we want to get rid of him? Look it's pretty simple either the club want him next season or they don't. If they don't let him go and get someone else in. If they want him to stay then they won't be asking for compensation from anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 Is this a serious point? Why would anyone pay out 2 years of their managers contract (lets say that is probably in the region of £2/3m, minimum I would suspect), along with his coaching staff (probably another couple of £m) when someone could pay you for their services...? We are in no rush to sack him (I'm sure he knows that his time is up) and it would be cheaper for us to keep him on the pay role (rather than sacking him and paying compo) until it is decided if another club will take him. Not small time at all. Sensible business to be honest. Also, saves face for the club and manager as others have pointed out. I suspect what will happen is he'll go to St Etienne and they'll pay us a minimal fee. Unfortunately, I don't think he will take Black with him (he'd be very stupid to do so), so we will have to pay him to go (maybe this will be what St Etienne pay us?) Why does the club need to save face?. They weren't worried about saving face when they sacked Adkins. In this situation they would actually become more popular with the fan base by canning Puels arse would they not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 Why does the club need to save face?. They weren't worried about saving face when they sacked Adkins. In this situation they would actually become more popular with the fan base by canning Puels arse would they not? This comment is beyond stupid. While you go and get the money to pay him off from your own bank account, could you also use the travelling time to work out which other club had an offer on the table for Adkins to takeover on the day we sacked him? Keep us posted.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 His biggest issue is that his substitutions never change a game in a positive way and we look totally disjointed when they happen. Poor on the training ground from both puel and black. Been borefest football, club cold calling fans to get them to renew, majority of fans had enough, poor atmosphere at st Mary's for the majority of last season. They cold called us the summer before, it's a standard thing they do to remind people who haven't renewed yet. We hadn't renewed because we were saving up to go to all the Europa aways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 (edited) This comment is beyond stupid. While you go and get the money to pay him off from your own bank account, could you also use the travelling time to work out which other club had an offer on the table for Adkins to takeover on the day we sacked him? Keep us posted.... Behave if we don't want Puel (and by the way I'm happy for him to get another season) there is no good reason to drag this **** out for the sake of what for todays PL sides is chump change. Are we still going to be scrabbling around trying to sort the manager, like we did last summer, when the transfer window opens. Just so we can rinse a bit of cash out of some French team and save some imaginary face. Not often I have anything good to say about Watford but they knew they didn't want their manager canned him fast moved for Silva and are now probably already sorting out the plans for next season while we wait on a bit of compensation. Edited 2 June, 2017 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 You've linked The Sun and therefore automatically lose the discussion. Oh don't be so pathetic. Setting aside the wider reporting for the moment, I try not to make points which can't be supported by stats: http://www.footballtransferleague.co.uk/sources/newspapers They're more accurate than the Star, Express, News of the World*, People and Metro though. Just worse than everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Albert Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 This must depend on what has happened between Saints and Puel. If he has been fired, then surely St. Etienne would not be required to pay compo, and his move there would mitigate any financial loss he has sustained as a result of his contract being ended prematurity by the club. In the event that St. Etienne pay him less than he would have earned staying at Saints for the next two years, Saints may be required to pay Puel the difference. If he has not been fired and is pulling a sneaky one, which I doubt, then St. Etienne may have to pay compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 Behave if we don't want Puel (and by the way I'm happy for him to get another season) there is no good reason to drag this **** out for the sake of what for todays PL sides is chump change. Are we still going to be scrabbling around trying to sort the manager, like we did last summer, when the transfer window opens. Just so we can rinse a bit of cash out of some French team and save some imaginary face. Not often I have anything good to say about Watford but they knew they didn't want their manager canned him fast moved for Silva and are now probably already sorting out the plans for next season while we wait on a bit of compensation. I agree with you about not wanting him to go, albeit with the events of the last two weeks I think it is sadly inevitable. But he is supposed to be on £3 million per year. It's mad to fork out £6 million for two remaining years if someone else will take him on with only the difference to pay, if that. It's worth waiting a week or two for that. If it went on until July I would agree with you, but I cannot imagine it will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 All this speculation. Where is the evidence that Puel is on his way out? No supporting evidence to the speculation as far as I can see ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 2 June, 2017 Share Posted 2 June, 2017 All this speculation. Where is the evidence that Puel is on his way out? No supporting evidence to the speculation as far as I can see ! Read between the lines, Clive. Pretty obvious what is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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