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This is very worrying, regardless of your view on Puel in or out. For my part I wouldn't have considered replacing Puel and would have instead backed him in the summer both in transfer window to plug the gaping holes behind Mane, Pelle and Wayama and also back him to learn and improve from first year.

 

However the relentless speculation and deafening silence just leaves him draining of authority. It's a case of dead man walking. How do people expect him to continue if the club have a good look around and say "you carry on as we couldn't find anyone better"? How does that help retain the current squad, or attract players?

 

I appreciate those who only see home games want more entertainment, as do I, although I enjoyed watching the vast majority of our away games. However most people on this forum went mad when Poch and Koeman walked out of their contracts early. When we hired Puel with a track record of staying at clubs several years we announced that we wanted a long term developmental model. It seems that we don't really, so no more criticism I guess on here when people (players and managers) walk early from their contracts so long as they gave entertainment while they were here. Loyalty cuts both ways.....

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Maybe, but those that want Puel to stay say that we should back him and allow him to build his team with players he chooses. If that is to happen his future must be decided and it sounds as though it won't be for a few weeks yet.

 

 

If Puel stays then ideally he gets backed but that doesn't mean he will I think we all know Les calls the shots on player recruitment.

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This is very worrying, regardless of your view on Puel in or out. For my part I wouldn't have considered replacing Puel and would have instead backed him in the summer both in transfer window to plug the gaping holes behind Mane, Pelle and Wayama and also back him to learn and improve from first year.

 

However the relentless speculation and deafening silence just leaves him draining of authority. It's a case of dead man walking. How do people expect him to continue if the club have a good look around and say "you carry on as we couldn't find anyone better"? How does that help retain the current squad, or attract players?

 

I appreciate those who only see home games want more entertainment, as do I, although I enjoyed watching the vast majority of our away games. However most people on this forum went mad when Poch and Koeman walked out of their contracts early. When we hired Puel with a track record of staying at clubs several years we announced that we wanted a long term developmental model. It seems that we don't really, so no more criticism I guess on here when people (players and managers) walk early from their contracts so long as they gave entertainment while they were here. Loyalty cuts both ways.....

 

Totally agree with the part in bold. If the Echo article is true, the club are surely making Puel's position effectively untenable going forward, so they may as well do the deed now and make it clear to potential replacements that there is a job available. It's naïve if they are thinking that Puel can continue after everyone knows that they have been looking around for something better. I hope that, in reality, they have already made the decision and communicated it to Puel and it is just a case of going through negotiations about how they part company, because otherwise this seems a bit of a muddle developing.

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Totally agree with the part in bold. If the Echo article is true, the club are surely making Puel's position effectively untenable going forward, so they may as well do the deed now and make it clear to potential replacements that there is a job available. It's naïve if they are thinking that Puel can continue after everyone knows that they have been looking around for something better. I hope that, in reality, they have already made the decision and communicated it to Puel and it is just a case of going through negotiations about how they part company, because otherwise this seems a bit of a muddle developing.

 

As Fitzhugh Fella said, I would think they are lining up his replacement to announce shortly after letting Puel go. Same as a lot of clubs do. It may well be that that part of it is not going to plan right now.

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As always, there's some real drama queens on here.

 

Just because we don't hear anything doesn't mean there isn't anything happening. They've had their review. My guess is that Puel is going because, if not, we would have heard about it through one of the Club's favoured channels.

 

The rest then is about timing, discussions with prospects and their agents, and (I hope) being fair to Puel by allowing him to put feelers out for available positions.

 

That is all

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This is very worrying, regardless of your view on Puel in or out. For my part I wouldn't have considered replacing Puel and would have instead backed him in the summer both in transfer window to plug the gaping holes behind Mane, Pelle and Wayama and also back him to learn and improve from first year.

 

However the relentless speculation and deafening silence just leaves him draining of authority. It's a case of dead man walking. How do people expect him to continue if the club have a good look around and say "you carry on as we couldn't find anyone better"? How does that help retain the current squad, or attract players?

 

I appreciate those who only see home games want more entertainment, as do I, although I enjoyed watching the vast majority of our away games. However most people on this forum went mad when Poch and Koeman walked out of their contracts early. When we hired Puel with a track record of staying at clubs several years we announced that we wanted a long term developmental model. It seems that we don't really, so no more criticism I guess on here when people (players and managers) walk early from their contracts so long as they gave entertainment while they were here. Loyalty cuts both ways.....

How does him being interviewed for St Etienne job sit with that?

If he had shown any ability tactically to change things at home would be with you.

 

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I hope he is either staying or we are sorting compo out with saint-etien and talking to a new manager in the meantime, worse case scenario is we sack him early next week and we do not have a replacement in by the end of the week, Transfer window officially opens 1st of July and we normally do our transfer business early and try to settle players into the team, the new manager will need more then a week or two to assess the current squad and have a list of targets as well as his own to negotiate with the board to add.

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As always, there's some real drama queens on here.

 

Just because we don't hear anything doesn't mean there isn't anything happening. They've had their review. My guess is that Puel is going because, if not, we would have heard about it through one of the Club's favoured channels.

 

The rest then is about timing, discussions with prospects and their agents, and (I hope) being fair to Puel by allowing him to put feelers out for available positions.

 

That is all

 

I think that's fair. This is the world we live in now, clubs connected to the fans 24/7 via social media, gossip columns going mental. It just forces fans to think we're not doing anything if we don't hear, but it's probably quite the opposite. It's a big call and the club have to get it right, they know that much. It would be a lot worse if we just ditched Puel without any plan going forward in terms of replacements. I'm sure the club have their favored candidates and will want to make sure we have all our stuff lined up and ready to appoint them before we officially dump Claude.

 

The fact all the talk is still about Claude being off is probably quite a strong suggestion that we're confident of getting the replacement we want. Just my two cents anyway.

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Why would we sack him and pay out £Xm, when there is a strong possibility that another club will take him off us, and pay us £Xm for the privilege...

 

It also gives us time to assess and weigh up who we want to replace him. As Ericb has said, we've already made contact with other managers... Sit back and relax, I'm sure Uncle Les has it all under control :)

 

I'd expect everything to move pretty quickly once it starts moving...

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Totally agree with the part in bold. If the Echo article is true, the club are surely making Puel's position effectively untenable going forward, so they may as well do the deed now and make it clear to potential replacements that there is a job available. It's naïve if they are thinking that Puel can continue after everyone knows that they have been looking around for something better. I hope that, in reality, they have already made the decision and communicated it to Puel and it is just a case of going through negotiations about how they part company, because otherwise this seems a bit of a muddle developing.

 

As with most summers really, be it transfers in, Toby, Gaston etc, Koeman leaving.

 

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This is very worrying, regardless of your view on Puel in or out. For my part I wouldn't have considered replacing Puel and would have instead backed him in the summer both in transfer window to plug the gaping holes behind Mane, Pelle and Wayama and also back him to learn and improve from first year.

 

However the relentless speculation and deafening silence just leaves him draining of authority. It's a case of dead man walking. How do people expect him to continue if the club have a good look around and say "you carry on as we couldn't find anyone better"? How does that help retain the current squad, or attract players?

 

I appreciate those who only see home games want more entertainment, as do I, although I enjoyed watching the vast majority of our away games. However most people on this forum went mad when Poch and Koeman walked out of their contracts early. When we hired Puel with a track record of staying at clubs several years we announced that we wanted a long term developmental model. It seems that we don't really, so no more criticism I guess on here when people (players and managers) walk early from their contracts so long as they gave entertainment while they were here. Loyalty cuts both ways.....

 

Although we disagree on Puel, there is a lot in the way of sensible observation in here. It perhaps suggests that Claude wasn't the first choice we were led to believe last summer. I agree on the 'drip drip' nature and hope that the St Etienne move, if that happens, is lined up quickly for everyone's sakes, Claude included. Whilst I'm not a fan of his tactics and style of engagement, this seems unfair on him as he is a human being and has been very successful in France although it seems from the rumours swirling that his style did not quite translate at SFC. The fanbase wasn't sure to start with, although less so than MP, but MP's footballing philosophy and identity overcame language barriers and was clear for all to see. The Redmond debacle last summer started the skids under CP but Les is just as culpable for that foolish remark on the strength of the midfield options. Wonder if CP wishes he'd challenged those things a bit more now? I would have done if I were him because he's now taking the hit, not Les. Not saying Les should go, far from it, but he needs a stronger challenge.

 

The club still wants that developmental model but perhaps a lot more in MP's footballing style through the age ranges? MP was their ideal head coach really, RK a fantastic 2 years but MP bought into their philosophy a bit more. Where they find another MP who knows? CP played the young players so that box was ticked but we don't know what has gone on behind the scenes - only CP, players and key staff really know - in terms of how CP has been received. What evidence we have seen as fans is a very disinterested end to the season in the displays and lots of arguing on the pitch, which can't bode well when it happens every game. Some conflict pushes up standards but I suspect what we were seeing was the tip of the iceberg behind the scenes.

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Not replacing Mane and Pelle led to us having the lowest shot to goal conversion rate in The 5 Top Leagues across Europe!!

 

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10898672/europes-stats-stars-from-premier-league-bundesliga-serie-a-la-liga-and-ligue-1

 

...... Of the title winning sides, Juventus had the worst conversion rate (12.3 per cent), while Premier League side Southampton (7.1 per cent) had the lowest in Europe's top five leagues.

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Not replacing Mane and Pelle led to us having the lowest shot to goal conversion rate in The 5 Top Leagues across Europe!!

 

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10898672/europes-stats-stars-from-premier-league-bundesliga-serie-a-la-liga-and-ligue-1

 

...... Of the title winning sides, Juventus had the worst conversion rate (12.3 per cent), while Premier League side Southampton (7.1 per cent) had the lowest in Europe's top five leagues.

 

yes it is something some of us have been pointing out as a pretty obvious reason we haven't done as well this season but a lot of people aren't interested its all about Puel coaching the players to be **** at shooting.

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The lack of goals is because we played three forwards behind one striker who rarely scored goals, made runs, or bust a gut to get into the box. Max one from Redmond, Davis, JWP, Tadic and Boufal not three of them or even four at any one time. It should have been three proper forwards in front of the holding midfielders not three more midfielders. Managers choice!

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The lack of goals is because we played three forwards behind one striker who rarely scored goals, made runs, or bust a gut to get into the box. Max one from Redmond, Davis, JWP, Tadic and Boufal not three of them or even four at any one time. It should have been three proper forwards in front of the holding midfielders not three more midfielders. Managers choice!

 

 

And yet we had the 8th most shots on target in the league we should have scored more from the chance we did create. If we had bought a quality striker last summer instead of January we probably would have. Every one knew we need a good quality striker last summer yet we gambled on Long and Jrod and got what we deserved.

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And yet we had the 8th most shots on target in the league we should have scored more from the chance we did create. If we had bought a quality striker last summer instead of January we probably would have. Every one knew we need a good quality striker last summer yet we gambled on Long and Jrod and got what we deserved.

 

Why?

 

Most of our shots are from distance and into a packed penalty area. Bare statistics tell you nothing.

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The lack of goals is because we played three forwards behind one striker who rarely scored goals, made runs, or bust a gut to get into the box. Max one from Redmond, Davis, JWP, Tadic and Boufal not three of them or even four at any one time. It should have been three proper forwards in front of the holding midfielders not three more midfielders. Managers choice!

 

Read this twice and I'm still muddled. Which of our forwards do you consider to be "proper" forwards? Are you suggesting Puel should have played 3 "proper" forwards, or 4 even? Wouldn't 3/4 forwards be a tad unbalanced?

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Read this twice and I'm still muddled. Which of our forwards do you consider to be "proper" forwards? Are you suggesting Puel should have played 3 "proper" forwards, or 4 even? Wouldn't 3/4 forwards be a tad unbalanced?

 

No, no, no...

 

What you do is get a load of forwards (big old bruisers; built like a brick ****house; send the keeper and the ball flying into the net) in the other team's box then GET IT IN THE ****ING MIXER.

 

I know it's a bit avant garde but all the best sides will be doing it soon.

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No, no, no...

 

What you do is get a load of forwards (big old bruisers; built like a brick ****house; send the keeper and the ball flying into the net) in the other team's box then GET IT IN THE ****ING MIXER.

 

I know it's a bit avant garde but all the best sides will be doing it soon.

Oh yeah because Puel's tactics were the work of a genius.

A sublime goal fest at home for the last 5 games......

 

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interesting fact: There was a 15-point gap between seventh (Everton) and eighth (Southampton) which is the biggest ever gap between those two positions. The previous high was a 12-point gap between Liverpool and West Brom in 2012/13.

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Two missed penalties at home didn't help, of course.

 

In the fairness of balance the opposition missed a couple as well in the run in.

 

As an aside I can think of three missed against us this season I wonder if that combined with our own well documented inefficiencies from the spot creates some sort of record.

 

Team involved in % of most penalties missed (for and against) over a PL season. Maybe over 50%?

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interesting fact: There was a 15-point gap between seventh (Everton) and eighth (Southampton) which is the biggest ever gap between those two positions. The previous high was a 12-point gap between Liverpool and West Brom in 2012/13.

 

If we had somebody who could score a goal, that gap would have been significantly reduced.

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http://www.asse.fr/fr/Actualites-du-club/Nouvel-entraineur-letrsquoasse-communique-ac19733

 

There were rumours that the Saint-Étienne job was between Puel and Ranieri...

 

Well Saint-Étienne have issued a statement, which says that the process must be entirely confidential because of the contractual situation of potential managers at other clubs...

 

As Ranieri is a free agent, the statement would suggest that they are leaning towards a Puel appointment...

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http://www.asse.fr/fr/Actualites-du-club/Nouvel-entraineur-letrsquoasse-communique-ac19733

 

There were rumours that the Saint-Étienne job was between Puel and Ranieri...

 

Well Saint-Étienne have issued a statement, which says that the process must be entirely confidential because of the contractual situation of potential managers at other clubs...

 

As Ranieri is a free agent, the statement would suggest that they are leaning towards a Puel appointment...

IT'S HAPPENING

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http://www.asse.fr/fr/Actualites-du-club/Nouvel-entraineur-letrsquoasse-communique-ac19733

 

There were rumours that the Saint-Étienne job was between Puel and Ranieri...

 

Well Saint-Étienne have issued a statement, which says that the process must be entirely confidential because of the contractual situation of potential managers at other clubs...

 

As Ranieri is a free agent, the statement would suggest that they are leaning towards a Puel appointment...

 

IT'S HAPPENING

 

Unless they go for Vieira.

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Read this twice and I'm still muddled. Which of our forwards do you consider to be "proper" forwards? Are you suggesting Puel should have played 3 "proper" forwards, or 4 even? Wouldn't 3/4 forwards be a tad unbalanced?

 

No, no, no...

 

What you do is get a load of forwards (big old bruisers; built like a brick ****house; send the keeper and the ball flying into the net) in the other team's box then GET IT IN THE ****ING MIXER.

 

I know it's a bit avant garde but all the best sides will be doing it soon.

 

Long and Rodriguez were grossly underused but between them came up with some decent performances and when they played together at Middlesbrough scored a quality goal from a forward pass from Clasie. I would have been interested to see them play with Gabbiadini. I also think that Hojbjerg and Clasie were underused considering the negative dross played by the other five.

 

Passing the ball forward or making runs forward into the box isn't hoofball but Rodriguez, Long or Gabbiadini playing as an isolated forward in front of the crablike players behind them did the team or them no favours. Gabbiadini thrived on his arrival because of the surprise factor but what became more obvious as the season came to an end was that Puel had been worked out and teams easily neutralised us. If he stays, next season will be a trial unless he completely changes the way we play together with some of the personnel that are too slow and unimaginative.

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Although we disagree on Puel, there is a lot in the way of sensible observation in here. It perhaps suggests that Claude wasn't the first choice we were led to believe last summer. I agree on the 'drip drip' nature and hope that the St Etienne move, if that happens, is lined up quickly for everyone's sakes, Claude included. Whilst I'm not a fan of his tactics and style of engagement, this seems unfair on him as he is a human being and has been very successful in France although it seems from the rumours swirling that his style did not quite translate at SFC. The fanbase wasn't sure to start with, although less so than MP, but MP's footballing philosophy and identity overcame language barriers and was clear for all to see. The Redmond debacle last summer started the skids under CP but Les is just as culpable for that foolish remark on the strength of the midfield options. Wonder if CP wishes he'd challenged those things a bit more now? I would have done if I were him because he's now taking the hit, not Les. Not saying Les should go, far from it, but he needs a stronger challenge.

 

The club still wants that developmental model but perhaps a lot more in MP's footballing style through the age ranges? MP was their ideal head coach really, RK a fantastic 2 years but MP bought into their philosophy a bit more. Where they find another MP who knows? CP played the young players so that box was ticked but we don't know what has gone on behind the scenes - only CP, players and key staff really know - in terms of how CP has been received. What evidence we have seen as fans is a very disinterested end to the season in the displays and lots of arguing on the pitch, which can't bode well when it happens every game. Some conflict pushes up standards but I suspect what we were seeing was the tip of the iceberg behind the scenes.

Good points here and I agree that,as a Puel supporter, we don't really know what goes on behind closed doors.

I just hope we all realise that we face the choice in future of sacking someone we don't think is great or moaning that someone we think is will want to walk out on his contract. I would rather give the loyal manager time to build but this seems a thing of the past

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No, no, no...

 

What you do is get a load of forwards (big old bruisers; built like a brick ****house; send the keeper and the ball flying into the net) in the other team's box then GET IT IN THE ****ING MIXER.

 

I know it's a bit avant garde but all the best sides will be doing it soon.

Brilliant.

 

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Long and Rodriguez were grossly underused but between them came up with some decent performances and when they played together at Middlesbrough scored a quality goal from a forward pass from Clasie. I would have been interested to see them play with Gabbiadini. I also think that Hojbjerg and Clasie were underused considering the negative dross played by the other five.

 

Rodriguez put in a decent 45 minutes against Bournemouth and played ok against an already relegated team. Other than that he was massively off the pace, even when I saw him play for the U23's he was dreadful. There's a few decisions Puel has made which I have issues with but not playing Rodriguez isn't one of them.

 

I felt sorry for Claise who did put in a few genuinely good performances only to find himself left out. Hojbjerg I really like and should have been played more alongside Romeu.

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Rodriguez put in a decent 45 minutes against Bournemouth and played ok against an already relegated team. Other than that he was massively off the pace, even when I saw him play for the U23's he was dreadful. There's a few decisions Puel has made which I have issues with but not playing Rodriguez isn't one of them.

 

I felt sorry for Claise who did put in a few genuinely good performances only to find himself left out. Hojbjerg I really like and should have been played more alongside Romeu.

Against Boro he scored one and made one then dropped again.

We could have played him and Gabbi but went for Tadic again to do bugger all.

 

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Against Boro he scored one and made one then dropped again.

We could have played him and Gabbi but went for Tadic again to do bugger all.

 

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I was up at Boro and he was sh_ite. Yes I know he scored but his overall play was shocking. Puel made plenty of poor decisions last season but not playing JR wasn't one of them.

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I was up at Boro and he was sh_ite. Yes I know he scored but his overall play was shocking. Puel made plenty of poor decisions last season but not playing JR wasn't one of them.

Maybe so but Tadic in last 4 home games was abysmal and offered nothing but arm waving.

Anyway it's irrelevant now and we will see what's happening in next week I guess.

 

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Jrod, Clasie both deserved more playing time. This is rumbling on far too long, he should have been sacked straight after the Stoke game. We won't get Tuchel, I don't know who I would want, we need a manager in the same mould as MoPo, bring back the high press.

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