AR-10 Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Wouldn't believe anything at the moment. Lots of damning rumours flying around. ^ so much this. It's mental, Bertie causing problems in the dressing room... F*** hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Maybe he isn't a very good manager but that does not, in any way, justify open hostility of unprofessional behaviour at public events, like the awards dinner. If they hate Puel and want to leave then good for them but in the meantime they can do their ****ing job properly and show some respect. The people saying, "we all act like ****s if we don't like our boss" are just showing themselves up, to be honest. And who would want to buy them with that reputation. Could explain why Fonte went to WHU and not one of the big clubs as was originally being labelled for him. Even there, he has underperformed. Bertie could well find himself in the same position. A big club may take a gamble but don't be surprised to see him warming the bench again like he did at Chelsea. What players don't recognise is the team ethic that has developed at Southampton. We have so many players who look really good with us as part of a well drilled unit but they don't get the support at other clubs and often flop. Lallana and Mane are notable exceptions (of the more recent departures). You have to wonder about the SKD role. It's really not worked has it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Neither are they cattle to be herded by whips. There are plenty of books on how to manage people to get the best out of them. It could be that Puel just doesn't have what it takes. Cattle with whips? So Claude was some sort of slave driver forcing the players to do awful things? Yet most people are saying Puel was to soft on them. You make a big song and dance about getting entertainment for your hard earned cash but your happy for the people who get most of that cash to entertain you to slack off if some one hurts their feelings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 And who would want to buy them with that reputation. Could explain why Fonte went to WHU and not one of the big clubs as was originally being labelled for him. Even there, he has underperformed. Bertie could well find himself in the same position. A big club may take a gamble but don't be surprised to see him warming the bench again like he did at Chelsea. What players don't recognise is the team ethic that has developed at Southampton. We have so many players who look really good with us as part of a well drilled unit but they don't get the support at other clubs and often flop. Lallana and Mane are notable exceptions (of the more recent departures). You have to wonder about the SKD role. It's really not worked has it. I think with Fonte he might have had some interest from big clubs at the start of the season but we didn't want to sell and didn't expect unprofessional behaviour from him (I don't know if there was any, but we wouldn't have expected it, either way). By the time the Jan window came around it was obvious he was going downhill and it was obvious to us we should get rid so we needed a stupid club like West Ham to oblige us....! Bertrand, I can understand wanting a move. He probably thinks we've peaked and he probably fondly remembers playing in and winning the Champions League final with Chelsea. Just because he had to move down to get regularly matches doesn't mean he shouldn't be ambitious now he's established himself as a top full back. That doesn't excuse being unprofessional though. Again, I've no idea if he is or he isn't, although I have sensed a bit of a drop off in performance from him in the latter stages of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Bertrand, I can understand wanting a move. He probably thinks we've peaked and he probably fondly remembers playing in and winning the Champions League final with Chelsea. Just because he had to move down to get regularly matches doesn't mean he shouldn't be ambitious now he's established himself as a top full back. That doesn't excuse being unprofessional though. Again, I've no idea if he is or he isn't, although I have sensed a bit of a drop off in performance from him in the latter stages of the season. Yes I can understand it but I also seem to remember how he said after he settled here that he was glad to be at a club where he was wanted and appreciated. I naively thought that his experience (at Chelsea) would see him being a long term loyal servant. But yes, he is still ambitious and clearly had his head turned as a result of the dreaded England call up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 I think singling out individual players is irrelevant. A lot of the serious **** has happened long after Fonte went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-crinny Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Tuchel available then - out of league or are we a relatively attractive job if you're looking to get into the PL? No better teams than us are likely to have a vacancy unless you expect Wenger to leave, which I really don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 I think singling out individual players is irrelevant. A lot of the serious **** has happened long after Fonte went. Like what? Tell us then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 ^ so much this. It's mental, Bertie causing problems in the dressing room... F*** hell. You say that, but did you go to the Stoke game. He literally couldn't give a flying Phuck in that match! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Fair play for having the balls to post that utter horsesh it. Ok what ever . You can't accept it and thats fine . We had an easy run . A misfiring Pool side who couldn't win against anyone at the time and an Arsenal 2nd team who were not interested. Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Ok what ever . You can't accept it and thats fine . We had an easy run . A misfiring Pool side who couldn't win against anyone at the time and an Arsenal 2nd team who were not interested. Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Fair play for having the balls to defend such utter horsesh it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Yes I can understand it but I also seem to remember how he said after he settled here that he was glad to be at a club where he was wanted and appreciated. I naively thought that his experience (at Chelsea) would see him being a long term loyal servant. But yes, he is still ambitious and clearly had his head turned as a result of the dreaded England call up. It has been mentioned on here that some players feel the club is slipping . If Bertrand has become disillusioned with the club over the appointment of Puel then its unsurprising if it affects his desire to be with Saints long term Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Ok what ever . You can't accept it and thats fine . We had an easy run . A misfiring Pool side who couldn't win against anyone at the time and an Arsenal 2nd team who were not interested. Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Give up, it`s horse Shyt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 You say that, but did you go to the Stoke game. He literally couldn't give a flying Phuck in that match! Wasn't just that match several games this season where he looked like he was just going through the motions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Cattle with whips? So Claude was some sort of slave driver forcing the players to do awful things? Yet most people are saying Puel was to soft on them. You make a big song and dance about getting entertainment for your hard earned cash but your happy for the people who get most of that cash to entertain you to slack off if some one hurts their feelings? Puel is also getting paid shedloads of money and if he can't get the players to do the business for him then he's not up to the job. Hurt feelings? Poor little diddums (in French) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Wasn't just that match several games this season where he looked like he was just going through the motions. He wasn't the only one and it was in lots of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Puel is also getting paid shedloads of money and if he can't get the players to do the business for him then he's not up to the job. Hurt feelings? Poor little diddums (in French) So just so I understand you're happy for millionaire players to not do their job properly, if they are unhappy, rather than act like an adult professional, suck it up, and get on with doing the job you are paid to do? I wish I had a boss like you. I'm sure If I told him I couldn't be arsed at work today because I didn't find him motivating enough he would soon find a replacement for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Are Always, Benji, and Fry the same person? Thought I saw that posted on another thread somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Are Always, Benji, and Fry the same person? Thought I saw that posted on another thread somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Puel is also getting paid shedloads of money and if he can't get the players to do the business for him then he's not up to the job. Hurt feelings? Poor little diddums (in French) Its not Puels job to buy or suggest players Its not Puels job to motivate players Its not Puels job to squeeze max potential from players Its not Puels job to keep squad happy Its not Puels job to convert chances Its not Puels job to create chances Its not Puels job to entertain, on or off the pitch Its not Puels job to excite fans Its not Puels job to do much apparently £3.2m a year and has zero responsibility..... Sign me up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 So just so I understand you're happy for millionaire players to not do their job properly, if they are unhappy, rather than act like an adult professional, suck it up, and get on with doing the job you are paid to do? I wish I had a boss like you. I'm sure If I told him I couldn't be arsed at work today because I didn't find him motivating enough he would soon find a replacement for me. Of course it's not right for players to behave unprofessionally if that's what they have done. But like it or not, man management is part and parcel of a football manager's job and some are better than others at it. Managers are very rarely universally liked, but they do have to be able to coax performances out of their players, and it certainly helps if they can persuade the players to at least buy into their ideas. Outwardly it appears that Puel has failed to do this with the current crop and ultimately it maybe that is what will cost him his job rather than results alone. Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Ok what ever . You can't accept it and thats fine . We had an easy run . A misfiring Pool side who couldn't win against anyone at the time and an Arsenal 2nd team who were not interested. You said it was an easier run than previous years, it clearly wasn't. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 We all do it... We are demotivated and mess about a poor boss, and work our nadgers off for a good one. Human nature I suppose. Ref. Rockingham Arms, in reply to a previous post from yesterday, I can't now be bothered to find. I frequented the place late 70's early 80's, but have only been back once since, and that was about 5 years ago. Nothing to do with our common resident. One in particular lives close and uses it also another disillusioned lives close.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 So just so I understand you're happy for millionaire players to not do their job properly, if they are unhappy, rather than act like an adult professional, suck it up, and get on with doing the job you are paid to do? I wish I had a boss like you. I'm sure If I told him I couldn't be arsed at work today because I didn't find him motivating enough he would soon find a replacement for me. I can tell from your replies that you have never been in a managerial position or an office in a military organisation. Professional footballers have always behaved this way. If one player didn't like another he would deliberately give him a pass that was short or one that invited a crunching tackle. The extreme example of such behaviour was in Vietnam where fragging of unpopular officers became increasingly common. It's not a matter of 'not being arsed', there are lots of ways in which players can underperform and we have witnessed a lot of this in recent months. It's what is referred to as 'lost the dressing room'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Its not Puels job to buy or suggest players Its not Puels job to motivate players Its not Puels job to squeeze max potential from players Its not Puels job to keep squad happy Its not Puels job to convert chances Its not Puels job to create chances Its not Puels job to entertain, on or off the pitch Its not Puels job to excite fans Its not Puels job to do much apparently £3.2m a year and has zero responsibility..... Sign me up Yes, it makes you wonder why we employ him. Maybe it's to provide a face to the press and public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Are Always, Benji, and Fry the same person? Thought I saw that posted on another thread somewhere? No, I'm Heisenberg and Batman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Its not Puels job to buy or suggest players Its not Puels job to motivate players Its not Puels job to squeeze max potential from players Its not Puels job to keep squad happy Its not Puels job to convert chances Its not Puels job to create chances Its not Puels job to entertain, on or off the pitch Its not Puels job to excite fans Its not Puels job to do much apparently £3.2m a year and has zero responsibility..... Sign me up As soon as the players cross the white line there is little the manager can do. The excitement comes when goals are scored, all your attitudes would change if the frigging players could actually finish the chances created. People will bang on and on and so Puel will most likely go, I personally dont believe he deserves to but the fickle will get their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Are Always, Benji, and Fry the same person? Thought I saw that posted on another thread somewhere? WHAT!!!! I don`t mind being bracketed with Benji as he seems a decent sort, but Fry....FFS Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo What post are you referring too ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 I guess the fact that we are going to France pre-season means he is staying then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren2 Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Didn't we go to Holland this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 I guess the fact that we are going to France pre-season means he is staying then? Not really. We can drop him off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 WHAT!!!! I don`t mind being bracketed with Benji as he seems a decent sort, but Fry....FFS Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo What post are you referring too ? CB Fry is definitely on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Neither are they cattle to be herded by whips. There are plenty of books on how to manage people to get the best out of them. It could be that Puel just doesn't have what it takes. He's been a manager for decades. Any reports from France that he can't handle professional footballers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
californiasaint Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Puel got a year of insurance with the 8th place finish and a cup final. I would sooner put money on him going next year before this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggytrousers Posted 30 May, 2017 Share Posted 30 May, 2017 Why do all the must hipster must appointment managers end up doing spectacularly badly? yakin in the Swiss league 2 and last years favourite Paco Jemez sacked after a handful of games in his next job and now managing in mexico somewhere yeah, should have gone for a sensible, Saintsweb-numpty-endorsed choice like David Moyes or Frank de Boer because they did so, so, so much better didn't they ? Menahwile, previous Saints board hipster choice Mauricio Pochettino has gone on to fail spectacularly as you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 31 May, 2017 Share Posted 31 May, 2017 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/15317052.Puel_s_position_remains_in_doubt/?ref=rss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 31 May, 2017 Share Posted 31 May, 2017 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/15317052.Puel_s_position_remains_in_doubt/?ref=rss Stop dithering Saints... make a decision . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 31 May, 2017 Share Posted 31 May, 2017 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/15317052.Puel_s_position_remains_in_doubt/?ref=rss Probably is the case, looking at getting his replacement in first before commiting. Would we be better off sacking him but only getting our 3rd or 4th target? Maybe not, but 1st or 2nd then probably worth the change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 31 May, 2017 Share Posted 31 May, 2017 Here we go then. We'll pretend that everything is 'under control' and while we dither over a decision, all the top managers will get snapped up. FFS be decisive Saints, one way or another. Why Les and co need to further digest the season is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 31 May, 2017 Share Posted 31 May, 2017 Let's hope something is going on in the Background that allows a new manager announcement to come directly after a "mutual agreement" announcement. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 31 May, 2017 Share Posted 31 May, 2017 Im not normally ITK but a friend of a friends sister just had work experience at SFC and took this under cover footage https://youtu.be/eIkgSJcRlF4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 31 May, 2017 Share Posted 31 May, 2017 Im not normally ITK but a friend of a friends sister just had work experience at SFC and took this under cover footage https://youtu.be/eIkgSJcRlF4 Don`t believe that bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 31 May, 2017 Share Posted 31 May, 2017 Im not normally ITK but a friend of a friends sister just had work experience at SFC and took this under cover footage https://youtu.be/eIkgSJcRlF4 Are you sure it wasn't KFC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 31 May, 2017 Share Posted 31 May, 2017 Here we go then. We'll pretend that everything is 'under control' and while we dither over a decision, all the top managers will get snapped up. FFS be decisive Saints, one way or another. Why Les and co need to further digest the season is beyond me. You're right we don't really seem to act decisively. They might be waiting to see how effective their telesales approach to non renewals was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 31 May, 2017 Share Posted 31 May, 2017 Is it fair to sack someone while on holiday? I recall Koeman quit us while on a mates yacht so why not give it some back Les. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 31 May, 2017 Share Posted 31 May, 2017 They'll act decisively enough when it comes to accepting bids for VVD and Bertrand that's for sure. Shame that we are going to go into another crucial summer on the back foot. Whether Puel stays or not this dithering must surely put us behind in our transfer planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 31 May, 2017 Share Posted 31 May, 2017 Im not normally ITK but a friend of a friends sister just had work experience at SFC and took this under cover footage https://youtu.be/eIkgSJcRlF4 The only bit I believe is the start "I'm not normal" the rest is horse **** of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 31 May, 2017 Share Posted 31 May, 2017 The only bit I believe is the start "I'm not normal" the rest is horse **** of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 31 May, 2017 Share Posted 31 May, 2017 They'll act decisively enough when it comes to accepting bids for VVD and Bertrand that's for sure. Shame that we are going to go into another crucial summer on the back foot. Whether Puel stays or not this dithering must surely put us behind in our transfer planning. Doubt it. I don't think the manager is that crucial to saints transfer business these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 31 May, 2017 Share Posted 31 May, 2017 Doubt it. I don't think the manager is that crucial to saints transfer business these days Maybe, but those that want Puel to stay say that we should back him and allow him to build his team with players he chooses. If that is to happen his future must be decided and it sounds as though it won't be for a few weeks yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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