Micky Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 What a little rat Get this rat out of the club take that clown Eric Black too Exactly, you wouldn't find highly professional players doing such things. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Good thoughts, i agree with a lot of what you say and I agree that we have moved on as a society where racism practically doesn't exist anymore. A lot of these comes down to education from our parents like you say. I always felt I was fortunate to have two white, English parents. I always remember when the first black family moved onto our estate in the early 80s my parents encouraged us to be friendly towards them as some of them are nice people, to talk to them like they were our friends and when we learnt to trust them they could play football with us and that the black lad would probably make a really good winger but don't let him go in goal as they aren't very good there. We also should not expect him to come and play with us on a February morning as they don't like the cold weather. We became really good mates and even had nicknames for him like Sambo and milky and you knew what? he absolutely loved it! Having white, English parents was a great benefit for me because it really helped me appreciate their way of life and understand their strengths and weaknesses and what a great people they are. In amongst all the recent drivel and 'oneupmanship' posts on this thread, this bears reality, perspective and hopefully sensibility. Excellent post, hopefully not lost on too many. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Didn't the French ransack the city once in 1338, and the site of St Mary's Church ? Some people have long memories. And the English sacked Harfleur. Once more unto the breach and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 This whole thing reminds me of the Burley departure. It was very kind of us to let him take his dream job given how much we wanted to hold onto him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 I think he has already been told but there will be no formal announcement until the club have found a replacement but on that front they are struggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 I think he has already been told but there will be no formal announcement until the club have found a replacement but on that front they are struggling. And based on what evidence do you reach such a ridiculous conclusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 I think he has already been told but there will be no formal announcement until the club have found a replacement but on that front they are struggling. I'd like to think that The Board would have sorted out a replacement before giving Claude the push. I've not been impressed with Claude but I'd rather keep him than just sack him and cross our fingers for someone better. Should only be sacked if we have a definite first choice ,high calibre replacement lined up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 I thought we had 6 managers replacements lined up at all times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Didn't the French ransack the city once in 1338, and the site of St Mary's Church ? Some people have long memories. We southerners never forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 I think he has already been told but there will be no formal announcement until the club have found a replacement but on that front they are struggling. Have you heard something Duncan? We should have gone for silva... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 And based on what evidence do you reach such a ridiculous conclusion? Because they would have preferred to be in a position to reveal the new man at the same time Puel's departure starts to leak out. Les likes to at least look like he's in total control. Why you find that ridiculous is beyond me but you seem to take even slight criticism of the club personally. Bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Have you heard something Duncan? We should have gone for silva... I base my belief that Puel is going on something I have heard yes. I can't give evidence (as requested by View from the Top) as to the delay in announcing his replacement however, it's just my personal opinion having studied the way Reed operates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Because they would have preferred to be in a position to reveal the new man at the same time Puel's departure starts to leak out. Les likes to at least look like he's in total control. Why you find that ridiculous is beyond me but you seem to take even slight criticism of the club personally. Bizarre. So, in other words, it's just your opinion, nothing more. I'm more than happy to criticise the club, they've made a number terrible decisions in the last 12 months but I don't frame my posts as if I know something for certain when it's simply an opinion as you are wont to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 So, in other words, it's just your opinion, nothing more. I'm more than happy to criticise the club, they've made a number terrible decisions in the last 12 months but I don't frame my posts as if I know something for certain when it's simply an opinion as you are wont to do. It's my opinion yes. This forum is based on opinions. Some educated some not so educated but while I don't have any idea who is being lined up I remain sure CP is on his way due to the odd snippet I've heard and reading between the lines spoken by Krueger. I wouldn't be too upset to see Puel depart but his departure within 12 months does undermine my faith that the powers to be will get it right next time. We really have to get some stability into this position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 (edited) It's my opinion yes. This forum is based on opinions. Some educated some not so educated but while I don't have any idea who is being lined up I remain sure CP is on his way due to the odd snippet I've heard and reading between the lines spoken by Krueger. I wouldn't be too upset to see Puel depart but his departure within 12 months does undermine my faith that the powers to be will get it right next time. We really have to get some stability into this position. To sack a manager who got us to a cup final and finished eighth sets a very dangerous precedent by the powers to be. The new man is going to have to have some tricks up his sleeve. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Edited 29 May, 2017 by Micky Donald Trump invaded the post - I had the wrong 'president' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Why is it these days that when you are losing an argument/debate, that you throw in the 'race card'. It is the last resort of the defeated. The cup run was against poor teams who put out second string 11's. (Including Arsenal) until we reached the semi's, where we met a team whom everyone had figured out how to beat. Hanging on and getting a breakaway goal. I'd have thought making things up was the last resort of the defeated. Correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to think the semi final was 2 legs. The first of which we absolutely battered them. If anyone was hanging on, it was them. That team that "everybody figured out how to beat", how did they end up. That was in Jan, I presume the last 4 months of the season was a struggle for them, because everybody had figured them out. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 To sack a manager who got us to a cup final and finished eighth sets a very dangerous president by the powers to be. The new man is going to have to have some tricks up his sleeve. I am not sure that anyone reliable has said that he is being sacked. There has been an awful lot of innuendo. I know someone who had a chat with Les when he was out about, and Les said no plans to sack Puel. Of course, Les couldn't come out and say that he was sacking him, but there has been little official. The hockey coach said that Puel would have a review post season, which I think is fairly normal whether you are staying or leaving. For one, it identifies what areas went well and what didn't. And yes, 8th and a Cup Final went well. What didn't was the interminably boring football served up and the points total. Now there has been an awful lot of smoke, and there's usually no smoke without fire, so maybe there is something in it. Certainly I think that the St. Etienne thing is probably true, but not so sure whether us looking to sack him is. Nor do I know whether the dressing room has been lost or not. This seems to all have stemmed from an article in L'Equipe asking whether Puel will still be in charge next season. Who knows, maybe St. Etienne have friends there and started some smoke signals? The UK press seemed to have jumped all over the L'Equipe story and have run with it for weeks now. With me, I think it is more the case that when it comes to football, I never bother taking what I read or what people say at face value. Much better to wait until something actually happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 That team that "everybody figured out how to beat", how did they end up. That was in Jan, I presume the last 4 months of the season was a struggle for them, because everybody had figured them out. We were fortunate with the timing of the Liverpool games nobody can deny that. At the time Liverpool lost to Leicester, Hull, Bournemouth, Wolves and Swansea, us twice + drew with Sunderland and Plymouth. They changed things (Puel take note) and the Mane return also helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 The league position really flatters to deceive. In the average season, that points total would have put us 12th or 13th. Puel fell into 8th based on others teams results going our way. While I supported Puel throughout the season, nowI think we must appoint a new coach and base it on a points target rather than a positional target. Mancini would be my name choice, but Monk (based on his ability to manage around a 4231) would probably be the sensible option. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk I don't get this argument because this is the case every season, we only finished 6th last season because results went our way, its a nonsensical argument. No one said last season we finished 6th because other teams were crapper than us but that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Having one of the most slow paced and light weight midfield is not helping our case. Surely playing our midfield and forwards out of their ideal positions doesn't help either . Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 (edited) Les will sack Puel - will give the chumps their sacrificial lamb ("Uncle Les is listening") and take scrutiny off his and wee Ross less stellar recent record in the transfer market. Edited 29 May, 2017 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 (edited) I am not sure that anyone reliable has said that he is being sacked. There has been an awful lot of innuendo. I know someone who had a chat with Les when he was out about, and Les said no plans to sack Puel. Of course, Les couldn't come out and say that he was sacking him, but there has been little official. The hockey coach said that Puel would have a review post season, which I think is fairly normal whether you are staying or leaving. For one, it identifies what areas went well and what didn't. And yes, 8th and a Cup Final went well. What didn't was the interminably boring football served up and the points total. Now there has been an awful lot of smoke, and there's usually no smoke without fire, so maybe there is something in it. Certainly I think that the St. Etienne thing is probably true, but not so sure whether us looking to sack him is. Nor do I know whether the dressing room has been lost or not. This seems to all have stemmed from an article in L'Equipe asking whether Puel will still be in charge next season. Who knows, maybe St. Etienne have friends there and started some smoke signals? The UK press seemed to have jumped all over the L'Equipe story and have run with it for weeks now. With me, I think it is more the case that when it comes to football, I never bother taking what I read or what people say at face value. Much better to wait until something actually happens. I tend to agree with everything you say - his future seems to be being played out depending on what press and media you read. All the club have said is that they will review the season as a whole - which is probably a pretty normal process after any season really. I personally think he warrants and merits at least another season - based on his results. How many times are we told that it is a result based business...? At the end of the day the key word here is probably business, unfortunately for the fans. The fans want sport, exciting sport and I get that - but these days I think you'll find that those running the club will, and rightly so, be looking at the business angle - the bottom line. Whilst I want him to stay, I won't be losing any sleep if he gets sacked (and if I were a betting man, I would say he will). But my worry is for the next manager - what do you want him to achieve - because frankly, getting better end results than this season is going to be very difficult. If on the other hand you just want more exciting football, more goals and a lower place finish, then it shouldn't be too difficult to find somebody to achieve that, and if the fans are happy with that sobeit. On the other hand, potential managers looking into the club from the outside may well look at the job as a bit of a poison chalice now, and might well be thinking that it will be very difficult to achieve a better end result than CP has this season. I also think it was one of the reasons that RK left us as well - he could see that improving Everton was a much easier prospect than improving us. As you say though, most of what is written both here and in the press is probably (especially at this time of the season) taken with a large pinch of salt. Either way, if we do sack him, we need to pull another rabbit (Poch or Koeman) out of the hat - should be interesting. Edited 29 May, 2017 by Micky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 I don't get this argument because this is the case every season, we only finished 6th last season because results went our way, its a nonsensical argument. No one said last season we finished 6th because other teams were crapper than us but that is the case. WBA picked up 5 points (1 win) from their final 13 games. Thats how and why we finished 8th. Lowest points for 8th placed team in 30+ years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Oh come on, there are shedloads of nobheads around here that generally hate the French for no particular reason, it's practically a definining characteristic of the area and very obvious to outsiders, don't try and pretend there's no overlap. I'd always assumed it was an English thing to exhibit a general air of Francophobia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 With me, I think it is more the case that when it comes to football, I never bother taking what I read or what people say at face value. Much better to wait until something actually happens. Very sensible. Although I haven't got them on ignore I also find it a good idea to skip over what Heisenberg, Batman, Shurlock and Hypochondriac post. The occasionally useful factual observation (like the Puel presser summaries) tend to be outweighed by the dislikeable negative, repetitive and reactionary cr*p. Whilst I'm on on a rant it occurs you could add Charlie Wayman to that list. Some of the other curious comments on this thread are only from part-timers, so they don't pass the "oh gawd, not again" test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 I don't get this argument because this is the case every season, we only finished 6th last season because results went our way, its a nonsensical argument. No one said last season we finished 6th because other teams were crapper than us but that is the case. Exactly - but it suits and agenda and will be trotted out ad nauseam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 To sack a manager who got us to a cup final and finished eighth sets a very dangerous precedent by the powers to be. The new man is going to have to have some tricks up his sleeve. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk You mean like playing exciting attacking football ? This obsession with a cup final that we lost is very odd . Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 I don't get this argument because this is the case every season, we only finished 6th last season because results went our way, its a nonsensical argument. No one said last season we finished 6th because other teams were crapper than us but that is the case. plenty did on here and pointed to a crap Liverpool and chelsea last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 I'd have thought making things up was the last resort of the defeated. Correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to think the semi final was 2 legs. The first of which we absolutely battered them. If anyone was hanging on, it was them. That team that "everybody figured out how to beat", how did they end up. That was in Jan, I presume the last 4 months of the season was a struggle for them, because everybody had figured them out. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Was this the Liverpool who were without Mane and were really struggling at the time in the league ? Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Was this the Liverpool who were without Mane and were really struggling at the time in the league ? Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Didn't wolves play them off the park (albeit a changed side) a few days later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 To sack a manager who got us to a cup final and finished eighth sets a very dangerous precedent by the powers to be. The new man is going to have to have some tricks up his sleeve. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk We all know this wasn't a normal season Everton in 7th place were 15 points ahead of us that is huge! We were only just the best of the worst team & there was some right dross! Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 You mean like playing exciting attacking football ? This obsession with a cup final that we lost is very odd . Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk It is not an obsession - it is a fact. We very rarely get to cup finals, probably less than once every 15 years (I've been kind to you there) - so let's be honest, it is a positive really. Obsession no, fact and achievement, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Didn't wolves play them off the park (albeit a changed side) a few days later? Liverpool won 2 in 12 around the time we played them (twice) in the cup those results include ... Draws with Sunderland, Plymouth Loss to Wolves, Hull, Swansea, Saints x2 scoring 11 goals, conceding 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Twice failed? Him and beattie got 7th with Leeds then resigned. Considering Leeds manager and owner situation for the last few years. Thats a good finish. And I'd want beattie here as his number two too. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Sorry, but I still don't see how sacking someone who finished 8th in the EPL, and replacing him with someone who finished 7th in the Championship makes any kind of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 We all know this wasn't a normal season Everton in 7th place were 15 points ahead of us that is huge! We were only just the best of the worst team & there was some right dross! Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk I think this was much more of a 'normal' season than last season. Leicester champions, Chelsea, Man Utd and Liverpool all off the pace. Sorry, but for me this season was much 'truer to form' than last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Didn't wolves play them off the park (albeit a changed side) a few days later? Rings a bell yeah . The wheels completely fell off for Pool . We got lucky to play them at that time . The whole cup final obsession was just a lucky run . Inter milan win is another odd obsession as they were not playing their first team . Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 (edited) Rings a bell yeah . The wheels completely fell off for Pool . We got lucky to play them at that time . The whole cup final obsession was just a lucky run . Inter milan win is another odd obsession as they were not playing their first team . Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk So, everything is an obsession, we were just inherently lucky in all of the positives - absolutely nothing to do with the manager or players. Edited 29 May, 2017 by Micky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 I base my belief that Puel is going on something I have heard yes. I can't give evidence (as requested by View from the Top) as to the delay in announcing his replacement however, it's just my personal opinion having studied the way Reed operates. I am with you if Puel was staying surely Reed would have said so my now I just cannot see how Puel can stay now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 So, everything is an obsession, we were just inherently lucky in all of the positives - absolutely nothing to do with the manager or players. We were desperately unlucky in the final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Rings a bell yeah . The wheels completely fell off for Pool . We got lucky to play them at that time . The whole cup final obsession was just a lucky run . Inter milan win is another odd obsession as they were not playing their first team . Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk What a load of old cabbage. So Puel lucked his way to the final, luckily beat Inter and luckily finished 8th in the league. All because the opposition was rubbish. I mean, they must have been rubbish if we beat them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Rings a bell yeah . The wheels completely fell off for Pool . We got lucky to play them at that time . The whole cup final obsession was just a lucky run . Inter milan win is another odd obsession as they were not playing their first team . Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Rings a bell yeah . The wheels completely fell off for Pool . We got lucky to play them at that time . Which time were we lucky to play them? I suppose Koeman was unlucky to play them in the quarter final the year before. We played them 4 times spread over the whole season & they didn't beat us once, not only that but they didn't score a single goal (boring, Klopp out).They finished 4th & along the way battered a couple of sides. What is your obsession with doing Puel down over everything. It shows a lack of class to make out everything was poor or lucky. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 We were desperately unlucky in the final. Indeed we were, but for better officiating and maybe getting a fair share of the luck, maybe having our best player available - and it all would have been different. But to simply say that it was irrelevant because we lost the final is pretty ridiculous when you are totting up the positives at the end of the season. It appears that some people are happy to do this and airbrush it out of the equation in order to get Puel out of the door - ridiculous really when you consider the performance the players put in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Why is it these days that when you are losing an argument/debate, that you throw in the 'race card'. It is the last resort of the defeated. The reason Puel is not liked, is not because he is French. Why is it these days when you are losing an an argument/debate, that you throw in the "must be losing argument/debate because throwing in the race card" card? It's not JUST because he's French, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 How good was pochettino before he came to us? Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 We were desperately unlucky in the final. Unlucky to let in three goals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Unlucky to let in three goals? We were unlucky to have 15 days to prepare while united had 3. Too much prep time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 I think this was much more of a 'normal' season than last season. Leicester champions, Chelsea, Man Utd and Liverpool all off the pace. Sorry, but for me this season was much 'truer to form' than last. There's usually at least one of the top 6 underperforming and catchable. That didn't happen this season, partially because two of the clubs who were cack the year before didn't have Europe and were able to focus entirely on their domestic campaigns. Next season the whole of the "elite" top 6 will be playing in Europe, and Spurs will have a new ground, which gives the rest of the league half a chance of competing with the ones underperforming. In addition, we've been the top performing not "elite" side over the past 4 seasons (along with Leicester by virtue of their title season) and we won't be in Europe, so you'd also expect us to be one of the challengers. Then again, if the top 6 are able to balance Europe with domestic competitions and take advantage of their final advantage it might be more of the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 We were unlucky to have 15 days to prepare while united had 3. Too much prep time Unlucky to have Van Dijk injured and not bother to mark Ibrahimovic in the last 5 minutes in the box more like. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 29 May, 2017 Share Posted 29 May, 2017 Unlucky to have an invisible goalkeeper Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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