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I for one would be delighted if he is staying. Ridiculous that it is even being questioned given 8th position and cup final. Yes we need to score more goals at home (but not necessarily away) and give those who only see home games more entertainment. But he needs backing in the transfer window too. And I am sure he would be a wiser manager for having had a season of learning in England. This concept of learn and improve is alien to the many on here for whom it's either hero or zero.

 

I do however worry that we have heard nothing. I would have expected an end of season interview with Claude, and/or Les, and the absence of this makes me think Claude is not out trouble yet.

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The fact he hasn't gone yet is worryingly suggestive that he will stay. If he does - barring an unprecedented summer of few player sales and several encouraging purchases - my overriding feeling going into the new season will be one of utter trepidation.

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The last home game resigned me to the fact that we're probably better off with someone else. We looked at our best this season in the cup final, despite narrowly losing. If we played anywhere near like that for the remaining matches I'd be happy but we haven't. Puel hasn't been able to motivate them sufficiently for me. Probably the players are as much to blame, but there it is. Lacklustre.

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The fact he hasn't gone yet is worryingly suggestive that he will stay. If he does - barring an unprecedented summer of few player sales and several encouraging purchases - my overriding feeling going into the new season will be one of utter trepidation.

 

I don't think it suggests anything either way. Can't see him being sacked until we have his replacement already secured, maybe even with both announcements being made at the same time like Adkins/Poch. This is a situation where Puel will be replaced by someone the club considers to be an upgrade, should such a person be available. What we won't do is sack first and only figure out who comes in later.

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I don't think it suggests anything either way. Can't see him being sacked until we have his replacement already secured, maybe even with both announcements being made at the same time like Adkins/Poch. This is a situation where Puel will be replaced by someone the club considers to be an upgrade, should such a person be available. What we won't do is sack first and only figure out who comes in later.

 

Genuine thanks for that, you've given me renewed hope he will get the sack.

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I for one would be delighted if he is staying. Ridiculous that it is even being questioned given 8th position and cup final. Yes we need to score more goals at home (but not necessarily away) and give those who only see home games more entertainment. But he needs backing in the transfer window too. And I am sure he would be a wiser manager for having had a season of learning in England. This concept of learn and improve is alien to the many on here for whom it's either hero or zero.

 

I do however worry that we have heard nothing. I would have expected an end of season interview with Claude, and/or Les, and the absence of this makes me think Claude is not out trouble yet.

 

Yep. Nice and sensible. Too many people are too eager with the trigger, if we haven't scored a home goal by Christmas send him on his way, but let's give him more than a season. I'd hate it if I was performing well at work but got sacked because I was boring in meetings.

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A lot of people left early in that game and the League cup and FA cup games. The Hull game was exceptionally poor and got a fierce reaction.

 

There appears to be a divide on this forum between those who spend their hard earned to attend games on a regular basis and those who don't. That's not to belittle those who don't get the opportunity to attend regularly (for whatever reason) but it is certainly cause for a differing of opinion. Pamps, for example, has admitted he doesn't get to as many games as he would like so, in my opinion, that explains why he is more pro-Puel than others on here. However, it is a bit odd that he appeared to stray more towards the "out" camp at the end of the season but is now reverting to type as a staunch Puel supporter now that it looks like he might stay.

 

For me, I've spent a lot of money this year on a season ticket, almost ten league aways, the cup games and trips to Inter and Prague. Would I do it again next year? Absolutely yes. Do I feel like I've gotten value for the money I've paid to watch the team this year? Absolutely not.

 

My anti-Puel feeling wasn't fostered during the recent streak at home when we couldn't score (although I wasn't exactly loving it), it was fostered when we played second string teams against Inter away and Prague away and couldn't even muster a goal when the home performances proved we were much better than both teams. To me, those selections showed a lack of respect and understanding of the club and its fans. We are Southampton, these are our golden years and, IMO, we should have played our strongest team to try and win the European games but the fact is, we simply didn't do that. We aren't Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool etc. who can treat European competition as a given and rotate the squad as we don't have a good enough squad by half to do that. Puel was brought in as a specialist in dealing with the demands of a European season (if reports are to be believed - I know big if) and on that front he failed pretty appallingly, for that reason he's lost my trust and I want him gone.

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There appears to be a divide on this forum between those who spend their hard earned to attend games on a regular basis and those who don't. That's not to belittle those who don't get the opportunity to attend regularly (for whatever reason) but it is certainly cause for a differing of opinion. Pamps, for example, has admitted he doesn't get to as many games as he would like so, in my opinion, that explains why he is more pro-Puel than others on here. However, it is a bit odd that he appeared to stray more towards the "out" camp at the end of the season but is now reverting to type as a staunch Puel supporter now that it looks like he might stay.

 

For me, I've spent a lot of money this year on a season ticket, almost ten league aways, the cup games and trips to Inter and Prague. Would I do it again next year? Absolutely yes. Do I feel like I've gotten value for the money I've paid to watch the team this year? Absolutely not.

 

My anti-Puel feeling wasn't fostered during the recent streak at home when we couldn't score (although I wasn't exactly loving it), it was fostered when we played second string teams against Inter away and Prague away and couldn't even muster a goal when the home performances proved we were much better than both teams. To me, those selections showed a lack of respect and understanding of the club and its fans. We are Southampton, these are our golden years and, IMO, we should have played our strongest team to try and win the European games but the fact is, we simply didn't do that. We aren't Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool etc. who can treat European competition as a given and rotate the squad as we don't have a good enough squad by half to do that. Puel was brought in as a specialist in dealing with the demands of a European season (if reports are to be believed - I know big if) and on that front he failed pretty appallingly, for that reason he's lost my trust and I want him gone.

 

Well said that man.

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There appears to be a divide on this forum between those who spend their hard earned to attend games on a regular basis and those who don't. That's not to belittle those who don't get the opportunity to attend regularly (for whatever reason) but it is certainly cause for a differing of opinion. Pamps, for example, has admitted he doesn't get to as many games as he would like so, in my opinion, that explains why he is more pro-Puel than others on here. However, it is a bit odd that he appeared to stray more towards the "out" camp at the end of the season but is now reverting to type as a staunch Puel supporter now that it looks like he might stay.

 

For me, I've spent a lot of money this year on a season ticket, almost ten league aways, the cup games and trips to Inter and Prague. Would I do it again next year? Absolutely yes. Do I feel like I've gotten value for the money I've paid to watch the team this year? Absolutely not.

 

My anti-Puel feeling wasn't fostered during the recent streak at home when we couldn't score (although I wasn't exactly loving it), it was fostered when we played second string teams against Inter away and Prague away and couldn't even muster a goal when the home performances proved we were much better than both teams. To me, those selections showed a lack of respect and understanding of the club and its fans. We are Southampton, these are our golden years and, IMO, we should have played ohttps://www.saintsweb.co.uk/editpost.php?p=2494873&do=editpostur strongest team to try and win the European games but the fact is, we simply didn't do that. We aren't Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool etc. who can treat European competition as a given and rotate the squad as we don't have a good enough squad by half to do that. Puel was brought in as a specialist in dealing with the demands of a European season (if reports are to be believed - I know big if) and on that front he failed pretty appallingly, for that reason he's lost my trust and I want him gone.

 

Even if I was going to lots of games, I'd still be looking at the bigger picture - things behind the scenes, injuries, etc.

 

Personally, I'd like him to stay, but I would understand if the club did decide to make a change.

 

Having said that, Puel will need a quick start next season. He has said himself that he wants us to play more attacking.

 

By the way, my 'egg on face' comment wasn't aimed at you. Although I don't agree with everything you say, at least you've fully explained your arguments, which is fair enough.

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Pamplemousse, Old Nick, Always SFC, Shurlock, Lord Duckhunter, doddisalegend and The9. They must have about 500 posts supporting Puel.

 

Either they are:

 

honest and really rate him

are trolling

have multiple logins.

 

I have one log in & I certainly aren't trolling. It's called having an opinion an airing that opinion. It is an honest opinion, but I don't get where this "really rate him" line came from as I've never said I "really rate him". For the benefit of doubt and to stop you putting words into my mouth this is my view.

 

He's done a decent job in difficult circumstances & with the players he's been given. I don't think Ronald Koeman would have done a better job, had he not left. I think the football could be better but I'm encouraged by the development of some young players and his willingness to trust them. I thought beating Liverpool over 2 legs without Austin or VvD was a fantastic achievement and one of the best tactical displays I've seen from any Saints manager. Here is the most important bit; I do not think he deserves the sack after one season, I was critical of Koeman, Poch and certain players for using us and being disloyal, so practise what I preach. Loyalty is a 2 way street, I want it from players & mangers and I'll give it to players & managers. IF there is no improvement in results/performances by the middle of next season, then it maybe time to look again. I don't particularly rate him, or not rate him, I just think he deserves the benefit of the doubt. I would rather have Claude Puel as manager than somebody using this club as a stepping stone to bigger and better things , who will depart the first offer he gets.

 

 

Oh,and just to add, I have a ST & do about 10 aways a season, as i notice that the pro Puel gang " must" miss more games than the Puel out bods.

 

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I have one log in & I certainly aren't trolling. It's called having an opinion an airing that opinion. It is an honest opinion, but I don't get where this "really rate him" line came from as I've never said I "really rate him". For the benefit of doubt and to stop you putting words into my mouth this is my view.

 

He's done a decent job in difficult circumstances & with the players he's been given. I don't think Ronald Koeman would have done a better job, had he not left. I think the football could be better but I'm encouraged by the development of some young players and his willingness to trust them. I thought beating Liverpool over 2 legs without Austin or VvD was a fantastic achievement and one of the best tactical displays I've seen from any Saints manager. Here is the most important bit; I do not think he deserves the sack after one season, I was critical of Koeman, Poch and certain players for using us and being disloyal, so practise what I preach. Loyalty is a 2 way street, I want it from players & mangers and I'll give it to players & managers. IF there is no improvement in results/performances by the middle of next season, then it maybe time to look again. I don't particularly rate him, or not rate him, I just think he deserves the benefit of the doubt. I would rather have Claude Puel as manager than somebody using this club as a stepping stone to bigger and better things , who will depart the first offer he gets.

 

 

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Agree with this.

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There appears to be a divide on this forum between those who spend their hard earned to attend games on a regular basis and those who don't. That's not to belittle those who don't get the opportunity to attend regularly (for whatever reason) but it is certainly cause for a differing of opinion. Pamps, for example, has admitted he doesn't get to as many games as he would like so, in my opinion, that explains why he is more pro-Puel than others on here. However, it is a bit odd that he appeared to stray more towards the "out" camp at the end of the season but is now reverting to type as a staunch Puel supporter now that it looks like he might stay.

 

For me, I've spent a lot of money this year on a season ticket, almost ten league aways, the cup games and trips to Inter and Prague. Would I do it again next year? Absolutely yes. Do I feel like I've gotten value for the money I've paid to watch the team this year? Absolutely not.

 

My anti-Puel feeling wasn't fostered during the recent streak at home when we couldn't score (although I wasn't exactly loving it), it was fostered when we played second string teams against Inter away and Prague away and couldn't even muster a goal when the home performances proved we were much better than both teams. To me, those selections showed a lack of respect and understanding of the club and its fans. We are Southampton, these are our golden years and, IMO, we should have played our strongest team to try and win the European games but the fact is, we simply didn't do that. We aren't Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool etc. who can treat European competition as a given and rotate the squad as we don't have a good enough squad by half to do that. Puel was brought in as a specialist in dealing with the demands of a European season (if reports are to be believed - I know big if) and on that front he failed pretty appallingly, for that reason he's lost my trust and I want him gone.

 

Appreciate your opinion and agree with some of it, but not sure it's all Puel's fault - believe me I attended 6 home games at an average of £500 per game (live in Ireland, so flights, tickets, hotel at times etc.) and did not see a single victory!! Mates banned me in case I was cursed! So I know the frustration.

 

The problem IMHO is the board and Les in particular - they chose Puel when there were a lot of really good managers ready to come to Saints (including Manuel Pellegrini who would have been ideal for us and attracted good players), but we not only went for the cheap option (best record of developing youngsters etc.) but then completely shafted him by selling the best players (yet again) and not replacing with even average (how many apart from Gabbi, who was Jan anyway are regular starters - i.e. better than we have already, even after the crown jewels have gone?).

 

Let's face it - the "Southampton Way" and Champions League ambition went with Nicky and why he left as Kate did not share that vision. No problem with that, and I certainly wouldn't want us to built up a lot of unmanageable debt to get there, but a bit of shrewd investment might have seen us progress and more importantly seen a few star players stay. Board (maybe just KL) now seem to just want to sell anyone (and not even at the highest price) they can and replace (or not) on the cheap - does make me wonder if she has a financial issue and not as wealthy as we think? Her right I suppose, but please please no more BS about planning for Champions League etc. etc. Just say it like it is, "I am not really into football or Saints, Daddy gave most of his dosh away, and I mis-invested what he left me, so I need to sell something to keep in the lifestyle daddy provided. Junior will get over it, and if not who cares, as long as I have my Gucci handbag"

 

We could have any manager and without backing or ambition, do you really believe we would do much better?? Imagine Mourinho under the same constraints - would he do any better - other than telling Les to do one!

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I have one log in & I certainly aren't trolling. It's called having an opinion an airing that opinion. It is an honest opinion, but I don't get where this "really rate him" line came from as I've never said I "really rate him". For the benefit of doubt and to stop you putting words into my mouth this is my view.

 

He's done a decent job in difficult circumstances & with the players he's been given. I don't think Ronald Koeman would have done a better job, had he not left. I think the football could be better but I'm encouraged by the development of some young players and his willingness to trust them. I thought beating Liverpool over 2 legs without Austin or VvD was a fantastic achievement and one of the best tactical displays I've seen from any Saints manager. Here is the most important bit; I do not think he deserves the sack after one season, I was critical of Koeman, Poch and certain players for using us and being disloyal, so practise what I preach. Loyalty is a 2 way street, I want it from players & mangers and I'll give it to players & managers. IF there is no improvement in results/performances by the middle of next season, then it maybe time to look again. I don't particularly rate him, or not rate him, I just think he deserves the benefit of the doubt. I would rather have Claude Puel as manager than somebody using this club as a stepping stone to bigger and better things , who will depart the first offer he gets.

 

 

Oh,and just to add, I have a ST & do about 10 aways a season, as i notice that the pro Puel gang " must" miss more games than the Puel out bods.

 

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Fair enough, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I agree that the 2 4 displays against Liverpool were tactically great. However, in my opinion they just sum Puel up. Too defensive for me.

 

Genuine question for you, I respect you would give Puel another season, as would have I probably 2/3 months ago, but if a manager becomes available who is potentially better than Puel, would you not get rid now as come January we could be in the bottom 3 and no one be available...?

 

FWIW, I have massive concerns about next season if he stays. He's lost the dressing room (it looks like the majority of the more vocal players leave, however), he lost the fans (unless he get off to a fantastic start, the atmosphere will be toxic) and from what I've seen, he has no plan/intentions/idea of how to switch things up and play a different way. We're either too attacking and open or too defensive and slow.

 

Time may tell, he may proove me wrong (which I really hope he does as he seems a decent bloke), but I'm still 99% sure he'll go

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I for one would be delighted if he is staying. Ridiculous that it is even being questioned given 8th position and cup final. Yes we need to score more goals at home (but not necessarily away) and give those who only see home games more entertainment. But he needs backing in the transfer window too. And I am sure he would be a wiser manager for having had a season of learning in England. This concept of learn and improve is alien to the many on here for whom it's either hero or zero.

 

I do however worry that we have heard nothing. I would have expected an end of season interview with Claude, and/or Les, and the absence of this makes me think Claude is not out trouble yet.

Hasn't Puel been a manager for 20 years already ? If he can't work out the basics by now then another season won't help him

 

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I have one log in & I certainly aren't trolling. It's called having an opinion an airing that opinion. It is an honest opinion, but I don't get where this "really rate him" line came from as I've never said I "really rate him". For the benefit of doubt and to stop you putting words into my mouth this is my view.

 

He's done a decent job in difficult circumstances & with the players he's been given. I don't think Ronald Koeman would have done a better job, had he not left. I think the football could be better but I'm encouraged by the development of some young players and his willingness to trust them. I thought beating Liverpool over 2 legs without Austin or VvD was a fantastic achievement and one of the best tactical displays I've seen from any Saints manager. Here is the most important bit; I do not think he deserves the sack after one season, I was critical of Koeman, Poch and certain players for using us and being disloyal, so practise what I preach. Loyalty is a 2 way street, I want it from players & mangers and I'll give it to players & managers. IF there is no improvement in results/performances by the middle of next season, then it maybe time to look again. I don't particularly rate him, or not rate him, I just think he deserves the benefit of the doubt. I would rather have Claude Puel as manager than somebody using this club as a stepping stone to bigger and better things , who will depart the first offer he gets.

 

 

Oh,and just to add, I have a ST & do about 10 aways a season, as i notice that the pro Puel gang " must" miss more games than the Puel out bods.

 

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Agree with all that.

Have ST but less away trips

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Sorry to make you wrong again troll , I wanted both MP an RK to stay

 

Just looked through some of your previous posts, nothing posted to support Mopo or Koeman.

 

Just seems to be 10,000 posts criticising or name calling other posters?

 

Difficult to know what your opinion is on anything.

 

Care to share your thoughts just now maybe?

 

See if you can go 25 posts without mentioning or quoting another poster... GO

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Just looked through some of your previous posts, nothing posted to support Mopo or Koeman.

 

Just seems to be 10,000 posts criticising or name calling other posters?

 

Difficult to know what your opinion is on anything.

 

Care to share your thoughts just now maybe?

 

See if you can go 25 posts without mentioning or quoting another poster... GO

 

:lol:

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Just looked through some of your previous posts, nothing posted to support Mopo or Koeman.

 

Just seems to be 10,000 posts criticising or name calling other posters?

 

Difficult to know what your opinion is on anything.

 

Care to share your thoughts just now maybe?

 

See if you can go 25 posts without mentioning or quoting another poster... GO

 

I think he was mostly banned during the reigns of MoPo and Koeman fortunately.

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I think he was mostly banned during the reigns of MoPo and Koeman fortunately.

 

Go check and see...,.... You will be wrong again

 

I rated MP and RK just not hero worship, they had had bad times too just like CP and got the chance to improve and so should CP

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So if we lose every game 7-6 next season, the forum and all of our fanbase will be super happy because we're entertaining.

 

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I believe that 13th was the position that has been discussed - not relegation. Don't over-react.

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I might be wrong but I have got this horrible feeling that Puel could well be staying, if they have had the review of the season Wednesday/Thursday if the exit door was being held open for him surely there would have been some sort of announcement by now.

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I might be wrong but I have got this horrible feeling that Puel could well be staying, if they have had the review of the season Wednesday/Thursday if the exit door was being held open for him surely there would have been some sort of announcement by now.

 

Other unsubstantiated speculation though might involve:

 

agreeing terms of leaving

Having to report back to Ralph/Kat

The sale of the club

timing - awaiting a "nod" from a preferred replacement

Is there a review with players conducted ? If so they may wish to guage any feeling.

 

 

Or Les is preoccupied preparing his end of season video briefing.

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I might be wrong but I have got this horrible feeling that Puel could well be staying, if they have had the review of the season Wednesday/Thursday if the exit door was being held open for him surely there would have been some sort of announcement by now.

 

Les has been sacked a few times but has he ever sacked anyone? Nigel was sacked by Nicola and Mopo, Paul Mitchell and Koeman left despite Les wanting them to stay.....

 

Perhaps hes just sh*ting it and has gone away for a week to reflect.

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I feel he will go but it will revolve around ownership, the new investors may want there own choice, not only that from the other side would you as a potential manager take the job knowing the club could be sold the following day, he would need assurances about the stability of job

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Appreciate your opinion and agree with some of it, but not sure it's all Puel's fault - believe me I attended 6 home games at an average of £500 per game (live in Ireland, so flights, tickets, hotel at times etc.) and did not see a single victory!! Mates banned me in case I was cursed! So I know the frustration.

 

The problem IMHO is the board and Les in particular - they chose Puel when there were a lot of really good managers ready to come to Saints (including Manuel Pellegrini who would have been ideal for us and attracted good players), but we not only went for the cheap option (best record of developing youngsters etc.) but then completely shafted him by selling the best players (yet again) and not replacing with even average (how many apart from Gabbi, who was Jan anyway are regular starters - i.e. better than we have already, even after the crown jewels have gone?).

 

Let's face it - the "Southampton Way" and Champions League ambition went with Nicky and why he left as Kate did not share that vision. No problem with that, and I certainly wouldn't want us to built up a lot of unmanageable debt to get there, but a bit of shrewd investment might have seen us progress and more importantly seen a few star players stay. Board (maybe just KL) now seem to just want to sell anyone (and not even at the highest price) they can and replace (or not) on the cheap - does make me wonder if she has a financial issue and not as wealthy as we think? Her right I suppose, but please please no more BS about planning for Champions League etc. etc. Just say it like it is, "I am not really into football or Saints, Daddy gave most of his dosh away, and I mis-invested what he left me, so I need to sell something to keep in the lifestyle daddy provided. Junior will get over it, and if not who cares, as long as I have my Gucci handbag"

 

We could have any manager and without backing or ambition, do you really believe we would do much better?? Imagine Mourinho under the same constraints - would he do any better - other than telling Les to do one!

 

This is a fair point. Puel was up against it from the start as the majority of fans didn't want him from the beginning. Going into last summer I was pretty calm when Koeman left (although was disappointed it was Everton he was going to) as I knew we were an attractive proposition having finished sixth and with a very good team. We could, as you say and if reports are to be believed, have attracted a far higher profile manager than Puel but we chose the cheaper option. It's not fair to criticise Puel for what he isn't but that doesn't make up for some of his failings this season.

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