Give it to Ron Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Not 17 goals though, and the general ignorance of the effect other competitions have had on our league position this season is the comical thing about all this "Puel out" balls. Not a single one of the critics has come up with a better way of dealing with the challenges the schedule alone has provided than the one we adopted. Every argument is "we should attack more", "we should score more", "we should pick the best team all the time". NONE of those are viable approaches in the context of a wider season. Next year will be different unless we get to BOTH domestic cup finals. Austin played 1 game in 19 days and was rested, we changed 3 of the back 4 versus WBA yet Yoshida played 3 games in a week, since we have been out of Europe have the league form and performances improved, since Puel has spent more time on the training ground have the performance improved - away yes home? Did we change formation to suit the players available of stick with the rigid pattern? The best side in the country played 3-5-2 did we try that we have 2 of the best attacking full backs in the country suited to that formation - did we try Bertrand in the centre like Koeman did? All valid arguments put up before and ignored...its all the fans fault brigade. Not backed by the board but has he utilised the resources he has well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 I'm pretty sure no one is blaming the fans for this season.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Not 17 goals though, and the general ignorance of the effect other competitions have had on our league position this season is the comical thing about all this "Puel out" balls. Not a single one of the critics has come up with a better way of dealing with the challenges the schedule alone has provided than the one we adopted. Every argument is "we should attack more", "we should score more", "we should pick the best team all the time". NONE of those are viable approaches in the context of a wider season. Next year will be different unless we get to BOTH domestic cup finals. Professional footballers would much rather play competitive games than do training instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 That would in the "be careful what you wish for" category Then people would be going "Oh ffs why are we so open, we need to be a bit more cautious as we are conceding to many" The attention has mostly been on Puels goal scoring record, but his goals against record isn't great either. We have scored the least amount for 10+ years and conceded our most for last 4 seasons. Koeman and Mopo both played more open football than Puel but both conceded less goals.... go figure Its almost like the best form of defense is attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 The attention has mostly been on Puels goal scoring record, but his goals against record isn't great either. We have scored the least amount for 10+ years and conceded our most for last 4 seasons. Koeman and Mopo both played more open football than Puel but both conceded less goals.... go figure Its almost like the best form of defense is attack one of them had a team with Kelvin/Gazza, Fox and Hooiveld playing for them!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Professional footballers would much rather play competitive games than do training instead. Only in moderation I'd say. But also it's not necessarily about what they prefer to do, it's what's best for them. You really need to be 100% mentally, and close to it physically to get any points from a PL game, lack of time to rest, improve and prepare is crucial. Also, think back to football training as kids (if you were in a proper team) - everyone looked forward to "playing a match" at the end, doesn't mean it was the best thing to do for improving the players/team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 like to know how spurs star players time on the pitch compares to ours. They certainly do not look like they are knackered or need a rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 The attention has mostly been on Puels goal scoring record, but his goals against record isn't great either. We have scored the least amount for 10+ years and conceded our most for last 4 seasons. Koeman and Mopo both played more open football than Puel but both conceded less goals.... go figure Its almost like the best form of defense is attack Have we really, what... conceded the most for the last 4 season, Jesus that's bad, real bad, I wonder why that is...? Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 The attention has mostly been on Puels goal scoring record, but his goals against record isn't great either. We have scored the least amount for 10+ years and conceded our most for last 4 seasons. Koeman and Mopo both played more open football than Puel but both conceded less goals.... go figure Its almost like the best form of defense is attack So you would Like Martinez then? as that was the discussion point, but as usual you chose to post the same stuff again... Called trolling on anywhere but swf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 like to know how spurs star players time on the pitch compares to ours. They certainly do not look like they are knackered or need a rest Remember the myth that MPs teams always tired in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Remember the myth that MPs teams always tired in the second half. well, The9 suggests that there was no other option that rotate the hell out of the side this season Spurs were in Europe, went for in the FA Cup and took the league title to the last couple of games (and still pushing) be interesting to know games/mins Kane, Alli etc played this season compared to our better players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Considering the weakened squad Puel was left with after Reed sold our 2 top goal scorers, Mane and Pelle as well as our enforcer, one of the best defensive midfielders in football, Wanyama, he has done very well to get us to 8th place. Les Reed is the one who should retire. The ideal replacement would be Paul Black Box Mitchell, the real man behind our success in the transfer market, as we've seen since he went to Spurs, although Man United are rumoured to be interested in him. I'd expect Puel to get even better results next season with Mitchell's help and without Reed's interference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11675/10794585/paul-mitchell-finishes-work-for-tottenham-amid-rangers-interest Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 The neighbour's cat could have taken this squad to 8th and the League Cup final. The Premier league was utter dross bar the top 7 this year, so those achievements do not necessarily reflect well on Claude I am afraid. He is gone. Get real you fool!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Ps we could still finish 10th. Lot getting carried away with the 8th thing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Mind you, the club probably need the 8th finish to use the extra money for Puel's compo Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 So you would Like Martinez then? as that was the discussion point, but as usual you chose to post the same stuff again... Called trolling on anywhere but swf He is a bit busy with Belgium... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Tweets, current page. Tweets & replies Media Adam Blackmore @AdamBlackmore 14m14 minutes ago Puel has overseen some dull football and #saints home form may have done for him. But I think he deserves a chance to put it right. 17 replies 0 retweets 15 likes Adam Blackmore @AdamBlackmore 18m18 minutes ago Unfortunately football is about more than managing a season, which Puel has done well. His selfless nature works against him - shame. 4 replies 1 retweet 14 likes Adam Blackmore @AdamBlackmore 21m21 minutes ago Even just now when I pressed Claude Puel about how he feels about all the recent criticism & boring football, he was calm & modest #saintsfc 2 replies 2 retweets 15 likes Adam Blackmore @AdamBlackmore 23m23 minutes ago If that is my last pre-match interview with Claude Puel it is a shame. 8th in PL, Cup Final, key injuries & sales & he's put under a bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Where's all the complaints about our league position? All over the bloody forum all season long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 This doesn't sound like he is expecting to go does it? Puel said: "We will see if Soares can play this game and also for Ryan Bertrand. They have some pain, some tiredness, but we will see this tomorrow and the day of the game to see if they are available. "Shane Long also is unlucky with his broken metatarsal, but we will see him next season." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Tweets, current page. Tweets & replies Media Adam Blackmore @AdamBlackmore 14m14 minutes ago Puel has overseen some dull football and #saints home form may have done for him. But I think he deserves a chance to put it right. 17 replies 0 retweets 15 likes Adam Blackmore @AdamBlackmore 18m18 minutes ago Unfortunately football is about more than managing a season, which Puel has done well. His selfless nature works against him - shame. 4 replies 1 retweet 14 likes Adam Blackmore @AdamBlackmore 21m21 minutes ago Even just now when I pressed Claude Puel about how he feels about all the recent criticism & boring football, he was calm & modest #saintsfc 2 replies 2 retweets 15 likes Adam Blackmore @AdamBlackmore 23m23 minutes ago If that is my last pre-match interview with Claude Puel it is a shame. 8th in PL, Cup Final, key injuries & sales & he's put under a bus. good honest reporting. I would rather him than a Holloway, Warnock and th like who have a quick joke during and interview, who praise the fans just to suck up to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Austin played 1 game in 19 days and was rested, we changed 3 of the back 4 versus WBA yet Yoshida played 3 games in a week, since we have been out of Europe have the league form and performances improved, since Puel has spent more time on the training ground have the performance improved - away yes home? Did we change formation to suit the players available of stick with the rigid pattern? The best side in the country played 3-5-2 did we try that we have 2 of the best attacking full backs in the country suited to that formation - did we try Bertrand in the centre like Koeman did? All valid arguments put up before and ignored...its all the fans fault brigade. Not backed by the board but has he utilised the resources he has well? Firstly, thanks for actually addressing the question. One question in response - when was the Austin resting? Re: West Brom (presumably Sat Dec 31) it seems pretty obvious that our full-backs do a lot of running and would be precisely the kind of players that would need changing for a game schedule that went Wed-Sat-Mon, which only leaves the question of the centre backs. We had 3 potential CB starters at the time, Van Dijk got sent off against West Brom, who were you anticipating they picked from Fonte and Yoshida for the Everton game 2 days later given that Stephens hadn't been tried at that point? Yoshida didn't play on 28th, played on 31st alongside Van Dijk as Fonte wasn't playing twice that quickly and had only done so in two EFL Cup games all season, and because Van Dijk was sent off Yoshida had to play on the 2nd when he'd have been rested, and then again in the FA Cup against a lower league side 5 days later (which is significantly different to 3 or 4 days later in recovery terms). Again, not sure what the problem is, there was a strategy, and the sending off messed it up. If you want to argue that we shouldn't have picked Yoshida against West Brom then you have to justify picking Fonte for 2 games in 3 days, if you want to argue it was wrong to pick Yoshida 5 days later against Norwich in a game where we kept a clean sheet, well, both the centre backs scored in that game and Stephens also started it - albeit at right back. "Since we've been out of Europe" is not actually that relevant, because due to the EFL Cup run (where we needed our first team to play come the January semi-finals) we still didn't have a midweek break until after the Saturday 4 Feb game. So there was a full 2 month fixture congestion period AFTER we were out of the Europa League, so the amount of time spent "on the training pitch" and the effect of the performances shouldn't be judged until there was a period where the club was only playing at most once a week.# As it happens, the first game we played without a midweek fixture we scored 4 away from home and stuffed Sunderland. The match after that we lost to Man U in the EFL Cup Final, in a game pretty much everyone agrees we deserved to win and in which the performance was widely acclaimed. With another week off we scored 4 again winning at Watford. The week after that we lost at Spurs, but then no-one else won at Spurs in the Premier League this season either. Having only played 2 matches in the whole of March, every match since then has been preceded or succeeded by another match within 4 days, so again, not relevant for judging Puel "having more time on the training ground". Your formation suggestion is interesting, but as we've barely had 2 first choice centre backs for most of this season and (as we've just established) we haven't had much time on the training ground, I don't think it's viable to suggest we should have changed formation and nor would it necessarily have improved results. At best it's a "maybe it might have made a difference either way". Conte had time to change his formation given that Chelsea weren't in Europe, and in fact had 31 days without a midweek game to work it out after the 3-0 defeat to Arsenal that prompted their tactical change. So... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Remember the myth that MPs teams always tired in the second half. Apparently he did change his training methods this season in attempt to combat fatigue http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/kyle-walker-says-tottenham-manager-mauricio-pochettino-not-demanding-this-season-1607995 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 well, The9 suggests that there was no other option that rotate the hell out of the side this season Spurs were in Europe, went for in the FA Cup and took the league title to the last couple of games (and still pushing) be interesting to know games/mins Kane, Alli etc played this season compared to our better players just looked. Spurs did not rotate anywhere near as much as we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 (edited) Firstly, thanks for actually addressing the question. One question in response - when was the Austin resting? Re: West Brom (presumably Sat Dec 31) it seems pretty obvious that our full-backs do a lot of running and would be precisely the kind of players that would need changing for a game schedule that went Wed-Sat-Mon, which only leaves the question of the centre backs. We had 3 potential CB starters at the time, Van Dijk got sent off against West Brom, who were you anticipating they picked from Fonte and Yoshida for the Everton game 2 days later given that Stephens hadn't been tried at that point? Yoshida didn't play on 28th, played on 31st alongside Van Dijk as Fonte wasn't playing twice that quickly and had only done so in two EFL Cup games all season, and because Van Dijk was sent off Yoshida had to play on the 2nd when he'd have been rested, and then again in the FA Cup against a lower league side 5 days later (which is significantly different to 3 or 4 days later in recovery terms). Again, not sure what the problem is, there was a strategy, and the sending off messed it up. If you want to argue that we shouldn't have picked Yoshida against West Brom then you have to justify picking Fonte for 2 games in 3 days, if you want to argue it was wrong to pick Yoshida 5 days later against Norwich in a game where we kept a clean sheet, well, both the centre backs scored in that game and Stephens also started it - albeit at right back. "Since we've been out of Europe" is not actually that relevant, because due to the EFL Cup run (where we needed our first team to play come the January semi-finals) we still didn't have a midweek break until after the Saturday 4 Feb game. So there was a full 2 month fixture congestion period AFTER we were out of the Europa League, so the amount of time spent "on the training pitch" and the effect of the performances shouldn't be judged until there was a period where the club was only playing at most once a week.# As it happens, the first game we played without a midweek fixture we scored 4 away from home and stuffed Sunderland. The match after that we lost to Man U in the EFL Cup Final, in a game pretty much everyone agrees we deserved to win and in which the performance was widely acclaimed. With another week off we scored 4 again winning at Watford. The week after that we lost at Spurs, but then no-one else won at Spurs in the Premier League this season either. Having only played 2 matches in the whole of March, every match since then has been preceded or succeeded by another match within 4 days, so again, not relevant for judging Puel "having more time on the training ground". Your formation suggestion is interesting, but as we've barely had 2 first choice centre backs for most of this season and (as we've just established) we haven't had much time on the training ground, I don't think it's viable to suggest we should have changed formation and nor would it necessarily have improved results. At best it's a "maybe it might have made a difference either way". Conte had time to change his formation given that Chelsea weren't in Europe, and in fact had 31 days without a midweek game to work it out after the 3-0 defeat to Arsenal that prompted their tactical change. So... So to answer you post which is a good argument - Austin played one game we had an international break (the first or second in season)he was then rested after playing 1 game cant remember game but my point is with strikers they need to play and get match time - although with Austin playing him wide left and watching him try and chase down the full back was pitiful too. My point and not explained very well was over Christmas we had one winneable game WBA at home he should have prioritised that and put out the best side when has any successful side changed 3 of its back 4? Puel himself moaned about lack of training time and just being able to use the gap for tactics and getting ready - agreed but my point is has he now improved the side that well now that he has had time since we went out of Europa and the F A Cup game? With our facilities he has had plenty of time and surely professional footballers should be able to manage twice a week? Have we really only had 2 first choice CB all season? Fonte has declared he wanted to play? Puel himself even stated he could try Bertrand there so we had options but were not tried - we were shipping goals but didnt attempt to plug that but went for the ultra defensive shape we have seen at home. We are 8th so on paper its worked and he has achieved what we wanted him to with the shocking support he has had from above and again from his staff and my points are probably irrelevant but just I think we could have done better. I also think injuries to Pied and McCarthy were a bigger blow than we realise certainly in the FA game where poor Harry Lewis was hardly a game for his development behind that side. PS We had enough time to switch from the diamond why not 3-5-2? Edited 19 May, 2017 by Give it to Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 The bottom line i suppose is if we had this home record yet we were losing matches 3-2 or 4-3 and everyone was going home entertained then 8-10th, a cup final and some bloody good football would be more than enough to save/keep his job. Its the boring football, the questionable selections and sheer **** poor substitutions during a match that will do for him if he goes.....unless the player unrest thing is true in which case there really is no other choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 We're going to finish 8th and we reached a cup final. A disappointment that we didn't get out of the group stage of the Europa league but all in all it has been a pretty good season. The football has been a bit stodgy at times but to give the man a three year contract and sack him after one year based upon those results seems very harsh indeed. For a first season after losing Wanyama, Mane and Pelle last summer is not a bad achievement at all. So on the face of things it would be foolhardy to sack him when there is no-one obvious to replace him. Saying all of that, the unknown factor is what his relationship is like with the players. We can guess but none of us actually know. If there are big splits in the camp with players threatening to leave then the Board have to decide between letting those players go or letting the manager go. We are heading down a very dangerous path by letting the players get their way especially when you look at how one or two have performed this season. I realise players now have power in the game but you the by sacking him because of player unrest you are basically letting the players pick the manager. That will only end up one way. This is a pivotal time for the club with a massive decision to be made. Get it right and we will be looking at top 8 again next season. Get it wrong and we could be staring a relegation fight in the face. The voice of reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 https://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?58094-Where-can-we-realistically-finish-this-year&highlight=finish#.WR8QausrLIV Good thread to read, some good posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 **** it I'm in a good mood today , give him until October after a proper pre season ! (obviously this depends on player happiness, I'm still not renewing my St though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AR-10 Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Puel is getting a lot of flack in the rags about players not liking him. It is NOT Puel some players have the issue with, it's Eric Black. Bertrand and Long in particular. But for some reason Blacks name is not getting mentioned in the press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Puel is getting a lot of flack in the rags about players not liking him. It is NOT Puel some players have the issue with, it's Eric Black. Bertrand and Long in particular. But for some reason Blacks name is not getting mentioned in the press. Well that's just not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Well that's just not true. what do you know??? is black and/or Puel going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 well, The9 suggests that there was no other option that rotate the hell out of the side this season Spurs were in Europe, went for in the FA Cup and took the league title to the last couple of games (and still pushing) be interesting to know games/mins Kane, Alli etc played this season compared to our better players According to Puel the reason for the mass rotation was to avoid injuries later on in the season. How did that work out? I completely get that you will have to make a couple of changes to keep certain players fresh but we were seeing 5 or 6 per game at one stage. So many changes were leading to disjointed performances and seemingly unhappy players. It's not exactly like we play a high intense style of football either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 The voice of reason It is, but I think the decision of "manager vs players" is a little more complex. There tends to be a view, and I would usually agree with it, that "player power" is a bad thing, but equally so is low morale or bad coaching. If players are being disruptive because the manager is making them work harder, or because they are set in the old ways and don't want to change (e.g. start of the season with the diamond), then of course the manager needs to be supported. However, if the players are exasperated because the manager (or coaching staff) aren't rewarding the right things in training, or they aren't giving the players a voice/input etc, then that's quite a different matter. From what I know, there is at least one example of Puel not being a very supportive or communicative man manager, which hints at the player unrest being true. Of course, it could be an isolated incident/player, and while the source of my information is probably telling the truth, it's not necessarily the whole truth (i.e. they may have an agenda, but no reason why they'd just make it up), but concerning nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 what do you know??? is black and/or Puel going? I know enough to know some players do have a problem with Puel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Puel is getting a lot of flack in the rags about players not liking him. It is NOT Puel some players have the issue with, it's Eric Black. Bertrand and Long in particular. But for some reason Blacks name is not getting mentioned in the press. Sounds like ****t to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 According to Puel the reason for the mass rotation was to avoid injuries later on in the season. How did that work out? I completely get that you will have to make a couple of changes to keep certain players fresh but we were seeing 5 or 6 per game at one stage. So many changes were leading to disjointed performances and seemingly unhappy players. It's not exactly like we play a high intense style of football either. We'll considering the press are saying players are unhappy about lack of game time you'd think they'd welcome the rotation so the could all get to play not be unhappy about it... The press is also saying players are unhappy that some players always get picked but only three players always got picked Romeu, VVD (before his injury) and Forster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 I know enough to know some players do have a problem with Puel. Care to expand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 We'll considering the press are saying players are unhappy about lack of game time you'd think they'd welcome the rotation so the could all get to play not be unhappy about it... The press is also saying players are unhappy that some players always get picked but only three players always got picked Romeu, VVD (before his injury) and Forster. I get your point but it's probably more to do with the fact when an individual player actually played well he knew he was going to be dropped for the next game. Rodriguez and Clasie are prime examples of this. Tadic and Davis have been poor for a number of weeks yet are nailed on to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 We'll considering the press are saying players are unhappy about lack of game time you'd think they'd welcome the rotation so the could all get to play not be unhappy about it... The press is also saying players are unhappy that some players always get picked but only three players always got picked Romeu, VVD (before his injury) and Forster. If you were Clasie had a good game and scored winner then didn't play 1 minute for 4 games would you be happy? Jayrod scored one made one at Boro dropped next game is that good man management? Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 I wondered if VVD has had anything to do with pressure on Puel. Total conjecture but listening to some of VVDs interviews when he was playing, I got the impression he wasn't very impressed. Could it be VVD will only commit to Saints if Puel's not part of the picture? Could it be enough to tip Puel out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Care to expand? Unfortunately I wouldn't blame any ITK posters for not giving more details here. I remember someone posted something about Austin a while ago, someone then copied and pasted it to Austin's twitter account asking him to comment! I don't think that's really what the forum is about. That's why I'm reluctant to expand on my earlier point (I'm not usually ITK, just get snippets once in a while). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 I get your point but it's probably more to do with the fact when an individual player actually played well he knew he was going to be dropped for the next game. Rodriguez and Clasie are prime examples of this. Tadic and Davis have been poor for a number of weeks yet are nailed on to play. Davis is captain in the absence of VVD so not dropping him is understandable. With regards to Tadic his one of the few creative players we have yes he has been poor but in a team struggling for goals are we going to create anything putting Jrod or Clasie in the team in his place. I doubt it. Bournemouth away aside Jrod has been a pile of turd this season and Clasie looked good in one half against a west brom team who couldn't be arsed. The only real option for replacing Tadic and keeping some creativity is Boufal but he has been poor up until the man u sub appearance when actually had some impact after coming on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Davis is captain in the absence of VVD so not dropping him is understandable. With regards to Tadic his one of the few creative players we have yes he has been poor but in a team struggling for goals are we going to create anything putting Jrod or Clasie in the team in his place. I doubt it. Bournemouth away aside Jrod has been a pile of turd this season and Clasie looked good in one half against a west brom team who couldn't be arsed. The only real option for replacing Tadic and keeping some creativity is Boufal but he has been poor up until the man u sub appearance when actually had some impact after coming on. I was at the WBA game. Clasie was good for the whole game, and WBA were far from a team that couldn't be arsed. Forster's saves were testament to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 If you were Clasie had a good game and scored winner then didn't play 1 minute for 4 games would you be happy? Jayrod scored one made one at Boro dropped next game is that good man management? Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Clasie was good for half a game at westbrom ( when they couldn't be arsed) and faded in the second half. He is also quite often blowing out his arse by about 65 minutes. He is a poor player (can't believe he was touted as Morgan's replacement) who I hope we will get rid of this summer we clearly only signed him because of Koeman. Romeu has no trouble holding down his place and for good reason. Jrod to despite a couple of cameos he has been **** poor and is another player I hope we are looking to upgrade this summer regardless of who is manger next season I guess they will be upset at not playing but frankly I'd of been ****ed if they had been regulars in the match day 11 all season because neither of them are good enough imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 I was at the WBA game. Clasie was good for the whole game, and WBA were far from a team that couldn't be arsed. Forster's saves were testament to that. Couldn't be arsed first half they barely closed us down. second half when they decided to actually have a go they pinned us back hence the saves from Forster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Couldn't be arsed first half they barely closed us down. second half when they decided to actually have a go they pinned us back hence the saves from Forster. they could not be arsed...like others have not been arsed hence are artificial finish on such low points. we are closer to 17th than 7th but of course, that is different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 The bottom line i suppose is if we had this home record yet we were losing matches 3-2 or 4-3 and everyone was going home entertained then 8-10th, a cup final and some bloody good football would be more than enough to save/keep his job. Its the boring football, the questionable selections and sheer **** poor substitutions during a match that will do for him if he goes.....unless the player unrest thing is true in which case there really is no other choice. If all the 0-0 draws had been 2-2 or 3-3, I don't think his position would be in doubt. The problem is that given the options we have in midfield and attack we should be scoring more goals. The fact that we're not suggests that there's a problem with the formation and tactics and he doesn't seem to know how to address either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Clasie was good for half a game at westbrom ( when they couldn't be arsed) and faded in the second half. He is also quite often blowing out his arse by about 65 minutes. He is a poor player (can't believe he was touted as Morgan's replacement) who I hope we will get rid of this summer we clearly only signed him because of Koeman. Romeu has no trouble holding down his place and for good reason. Jrod to despite a couple of cameos he has been **** poor and is another player I hope we are looking to upgrade this summer regardless of who is manger next season I guess they will be upset at not playing but frankly I'd of been ****ed if they had been regulars in the match day 11 all season because neither of them are good enough imo Not the point mate this is looking at from players point of view. The manager picks you and you do all is asked and more then dropped would you be happy? Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 19 May, 2017 Share Posted 19 May, 2017 Unfortunately I wouldn't blame any ITK posters for not giving more details here. I remember someone posted something about Austin a while ago, someone then copied and pasted it to Austin's twitter account asking him to comment! I don't think that's really what the forum is about. That's why I'm reluctant to expand on my earlier point (I'm not usually ITK, just get snippets once in a while). I found that a bit strange as well, what did he expect charlie to say...? "Yes I'm a pri*k, I love going out getting **** faced, and no one likes me"? FWIW anyone I've ever spoken to hasn't had a bad word to say about him, i get the impression he's pretty well liked around the club. In reference to the original post, I'm not sure there is much more to expand on other than what's been said previously RE players falling out with coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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