saints-til-i-die Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Out of interest does anyone know how our first half of the season compares to the second? Which half saw the biggest points total?
John B Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Utter rubbish. If we finish in the bottom half next season, that would equate regression, and whoever the manager was, I'd be calling for his head. Why is it always the managers fault if highly paid players cant score goals and miss penalties
saints-til-i-die Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 I keep flip flopping in my views on Puel and his performance to be honest. What did worry me yesterday was seeing Puel furiously waving players forward and gesticulating wildly but the players seemed to just ignore his instructions hence him having to constantly come out and repeat the same gesticulations. Are they listening to him? I really don't know.
Badger Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Yes, the Chris Nichol - Ian Branfoot analogy springs to mind. I think the analogy is wrong. Nicholl played a real attacking game. Puel is more Branfoot, so that's where the analogy falls down. The analogy is based on wanting a manager out, thinking that it would automatically herald an improvement, rather than contrasting their playing styles.
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 The thing that gets me is that we have plenty of midfield / attacking options in, Tadic, Boufal, Redmond, JWP, Long, Gabbi, Austin, J-Rod, yet the end result is always the same. Surely with a list of players as varied as that you should be able to create and score goals? No, not Saints under Puel. If you can't get these guys scoring goals on a regular basis then there's something fundamentally wrong.
Saint_lambden Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4519956/Southampton-set-axe-Puel-clashes-players.html Sorry for posting a M*il article. Sam Cunningham suggests Puel will be sacked.
Dellman Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 I thought it was a load better yesterday and if the goaly hadn't played a blinder we would have won comfortably and everyone would be happy---but one thing disturbed me....our players were not happy with each other. Tadic is always moaning but Jack Stephens stood up to him and Romeo had to separate them. Redmond and Boufal had a go at each other and they weren't the only ones.Passion is great but they looked unsure of the system, perhaps that's why it is often so slow
saintwbu Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 If we finish 8th, having got to a cup final, and Puel is still sacked, can we then please drop all that ******** about not having any ambition etc. Because to me, 8th is as high as we should realistically be on spending power unless one of the big boys has a disaster again. So if our board aren't happy with that, then presumably they have the 'ambition' that people are so desperate for.
Badger Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4519956/Southampton-set-axe-Puel-clashes-players.html Sorry for posting a M*il article. Sam Cunningham suggests Puel will be sacked. Hull City manager Marco Silva is a potential target, but the club will not rush appointing a new manager for next season. Hope this last bit is not the case, don't think we need weeks of uncertainty and speculation.
CB Fry Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 If we finish 8th, having got to a cup final, and Puel is still sacked, can we then please drop all that ******** about not having any ambition etc. Because to me, 8th is as high as we should realistically be on spending power unless one of the big boys has a disaster again. So if our board aren't happy with that, then presumably they have the 'ambition' that people are so desperate for. Indeed.
saint77 Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 If we finish 8th, having got to a cup final, and Puel is still sacked, can we then please drop all that ******** about not having any ambition etc. Because to me, 8th is as high as we should realistically be on spending power unless one of the big boys has a disaster again. So if our board aren't happy with that, then presumably they have the 'ambition' that people are so desperate for. I think a majority would accept that however its the style of football we are playing thats turning fans off
saint si Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Out of interest does anyone know how our first half of the season compares to the second? Which half saw the biggest points total? 24 points in first 19 games 22 points (so far) in last 19 games.
saints-til-i-die Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 So no improvement once out of Europe despite all this time on the training ground. Reed and Puel said that there had been no time to improve players. What about now?
saint lard Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 He's gone....say goodbye to Puel after the Stoke game. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Pilchards Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 He's gone....say goodbye to Puel after the Stoke game. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I guess Les has no choice otherwise many of the first team will demand to leave. According to press and rumours. I hope he has got someone lined up as I don't want no bull**** again like last year.
Heisenberg Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 He's gone....say goodbye to Puel after the Stoke game. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk au revoir Puel Nice guy but the performances, europe and player fall outs meant this was only ending one way. Take it Black goes too? Full clear out
saint lard Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Mr Black is on his way too.....for once,peer pressure has prevailed. Be it right or wrong. It isn't a Lander decision....it's someone else apparently. I'd love to know who. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
redder freak Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 So far, Puel has had a win rate similar to Laurie McMenemy and Glenn Hoddle. Better than Pochettino, but not as good as Koeman. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Southampton_F.C._managers I hope he stays, but it's pretty rare for a Southampton manager to last much longer than a year in the 21st century. Football is a rollercoaster and a revolving door for modern managers.
Heisenberg Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Mr Black is on his way too.....for once,peer pressure has prevailed. Be it right or wrong. It isn't a Lander decision....it's someone else apparently. I'd love to know who. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Probably Kat, Les, Wilson, Ralph and 75% of the fanbase?
Batman Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 So far, Puel has had a win rate similar to Laurie McMenemy and Glenn Hoddle. Better than Pochettino, but not as good as Koeman. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Southampton_F.C._managers I hope he stays, but it's pretty rare for a Southampton manager to last much longer than a year in the 21st century. Football is a rollercoaster and a revolving door for modern managers. Do you think puel even compares with pochettino?
trousers Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 He's gone....say goodbye to Puel after the Stoke game Mr Black is on his way too Source?
Batman Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 He's gone....say goodbye to Puel after the Stoke game. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Please be true
EBS1980 Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Watching spurs tonight made me realise how good MoPo has got them playing. Can we bring in a manager who can get us playing that way too. Pressure, breaking with speed, shooting outside the box, scoring goals...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Watching spurs tonight made me realise how good MoPo has got them playing. Can we bring in a manager who can get us playing that way too. Pressure, breaking with speed, shooting outside the box, scoring goals... Yes, Jokanovic. This is exactly how he's got Fulham playing. People keep on bleating on about Silva but we'd be far better making an approach for Jokanovic.
Heisenberg Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Yes, Jokanovic. This is exactly how he's got Fulham playing. People keep on bleating on about Silva but we'd be far better making an approach for Jokanovic. Decent summary here >>> http://outsideoftheboot.com/2017/05/13/tactical-philosophy-slavisa-jokanovic/
sammysaint Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 I have been a Puel out guy and for me he should only be sacked if the fall outs with Bertrand Long Tadic Jay Rod and Remond is true and we want to keep most of them.
Saint Albert Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 How many PL calibre managers would be willing to move to a club with a takeover hanging over it? It must reduce the club's attractiveness to potential candidates. It's one thing to demand Puel out, but who will realistically come in to replace him knowing that new owners may take over and change everything including the coaching line up? I appreciate that there were disappointing aspects to the team's performance this year including home goals scored, and this is the first season since promotion that the club has not improved in points or position, but given the present background at the club isn't there a huge risk to getting rid of a manager who has had a credible season considering key injuries, significant outgoing players and the challenge of the fixture congestion caused by the Europa League?
Saint Albert Posted 19 May, 2017 Posted 19 May, 2017 Mirror thinks that player unrest will be the final nail in Puel's coffin: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southampton-boss-claude-puel-looks-10450641
washsaint Posted 19 May, 2017 Posted 19 May, 2017 Can't help feeling talk of player unrest is bollix. Sure some players will be unhappy they are not playing but the team has not been playing as though they have given up on Puel. Quite the opposite. 52 games - that's how many games we have played this season after Sunday. No team could play the same players for that many games - whether CP's rotation is over the top is questionable but that is one helluva lot of games. I am feeling disgusted that CP's job is seemingly under threat - he has been let down by Les Reed and co who have done an awful job in the transfer market this season and the club has let him, and the fans, down. Sure he needs to be more attacking at home but this is his first season in the Prem. And I cannot believe so many on here are knocking one out at the thought of someone like Silva coming in. How on earth is that an upgrade on CP?
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 19 May, 2017 Posted 19 May, 2017 Little wonder the players play slowly and seem unsure of the system when the system changes every game, as does a large proportion of the starting XI. Puel has sacrificed any hope of cohesion, consistency and sense of team on the alter of rotation. It's been mad this season, it's clearly not been working but he has stuck with it regardless because he is a stubborn old bastard. He needs firing.
DT Posted 19 May, 2017 Posted 19 May, 2017 Story reads like the reporter has read every post on this thread and summarised it Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Wade Garrett Posted 19 May, 2017 Posted 19 May, 2017 The analogy is based on wanting a manager out, thinking that it would automatically herald an improvement, rather than contrasting their playing styles. Yes, because we were all worried that sacking Branfoot for Alan Ball would lead to the team getting worse and the style of football worsen.
Ultimatt Posted 19 May, 2017 Posted 19 May, 2017 I can see it now. American owners coming in and they'll get Bob Bradley.
Heisenberg Posted 19 May, 2017 Posted 19 May, 2017 I can see it now. American owners coming in and they'll get Bob Bradley. Is this why a small % of the fanbase want Puel to stay? Because they think of the worst case scenario rather than the best? Lets keep Puel or we might appoint Bradley or Tony Adams Reed has a 50/50 success rate so far, i dont think hell gamble twice.
Shroppie Posted 19 May, 2017 Posted 19 May, 2017 Mirror thinks that player unrest will be the final nail in Puel's coffin: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southampton-boss-claude-puel-looks-10450641 I'm not convinced by this. Probably mainly gleaned from the whingers on here. The lower echelons of the press love to stir up these stories. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk
Shroppie Posted 19 May, 2017 Posted 19 May, 2017 Is this why a small % of the fanbase want Puel to stay? Because they think of the worst case scenario rather than the best? Lets keep Puel or we might appoint Bradley or Tony Adams Reed has a 50/50 success rate so far, i dont think hell gamble twice. Ok, I'll bite. I think a poll of all Saints supporters (not just the ones on here who are quick to jump on a bandwagon), would show a majority for keeping him. The bottom line is that he's got a top half finish despite plenty of problems. He took us to Wembley. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk
Heisenberg Posted 19 May, 2017 Posted 19 May, 2017 Ok, I'll bite. I think a poll of all Saints supporters (not just the ones on here who are quick to jump on a bandwagon), would show a majority for keeping him. The bottom line is that he's got a top half finish despite plenty of problems. He took us to Wembley. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk You dont think this forum + 606 + Facebook and twitter is a good sample of Saints fans?
Shroppie Posted 19 May, 2017 Posted 19 May, 2017 You dont think this forum + 606 + Facebook and twitter is a good sample of Saints fans? Not really. There are a lot of neutrals who are influenced by the usual negative bunch and just follow. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 19 May, 2017 Posted 19 May, 2017 Not really. There are a lot of neutrals who are influenced by the usual negative bunch and just follow. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Completely drowned by those on here tbh
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 19 May, 2017 Posted 19 May, 2017 Ok, I'll bite. I think a poll of all Saints supporters (not just the ones on here who are quick to jump on a bandwagon), would show a majority for keeping him. The bottom line is that he's got a top half finish despite plenty of problems. He took us to Wembley. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Rubbish. I haven't spoken to one saints fan who wants him to stay. I work with 300 other people of whom there are many saints fans. Not come across one person that thinks he should stay. Fact is the majority are bored and want a change. Sent from my SM-A300FU using Tapatalk
Shroppie Posted 19 May, 2017 Posted 19 May, 2017 (edited) Rubbish. I haven't spoken to one saints fan who wants him to stay. I work with 300 other people of whom there are many saints fans. Not come across one person that thinks he should stay. Fact is the majority are bored and want a change. Sent from my SM-A300FU using Tapatalk Wish I had time at work to discuss Saints with 300 people. And as a balance, pretty well everyone I talked to before the match on Weds, on the train, in 2 pubs and in the ground, felt that Puel's being hounded, has basically done well and deserves another season. Problem is, lots can't see beyond his outward personality. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Edited 19 May, 2017 by Shroppie
Mr Saints Posted 19 May, 2017 Posted 19 May, 2017 *IF* the reports are true that he's lost the dressing room, there's no way back and he'll be gone this time next week.
musesaint Posted 19 May, 2017 Posted 19 May, 2017 My main concern about Puel is the style of our play. Barring a few decent league games and the Wembley final it has, to be honest, been really boring and not the Southampton style we have been used to for the past 6 seasons Reluctantly, I think we need a change What concerns me if Puel does go is that we might spend weeks faffing about again to find a decent replacement. For once can we please have a reasonably stable summer, with a new manager in place quickly, decent signings and the retention of key players in the squad. Just once please!
miserableoldgit Posted 19 May, 2017 Posted 19 May, 2017 Puel wanted by Inter Milan according to Daily Express. Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk
Shroppie Posted 19 May, 2017 Posted 19 May, 2017 Puel wanted by Inter Milan according to Daily Express. Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk Blizzard expected next week and quadrupling of state pension if the Tories are elected, according to Daily Express. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk
miserableoldgit Posted 19 May, 2017 Posted 19 May, 2017 http://www.google.co.uk/amp/readsouthampton.com/2017/05/18/inter-milan-linked-swoop-claude-puel/%3Famp%3D1 Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk
Shroppie Posted 19 May, 2017 Posted 19 May, 2017 http://www.google.co.uk/amp/readsouthampton.com/2017/05/18/inter-milan-linked-swoop-claude-puel/%3Famp%3D1 Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk I wonder who copied it from whom? Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk
DuncanRG Posted 19 May, 2017 Posted 19 May, 2017 Today's Times: Ironic suggestion that Puel plays favourites at the *expense* of Redmond, when earlier in the season half our fans were convinced Redmond was getting fame time he didn't deserves.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 19 May, 2017 Posted 19 May, 2017 Today's Times: Ironic suggestion that Puel plays favourites at the *expense* of Redmond, when earlier in the season half our fans were convinced Redmond was getting fame time he didn't deserves. Could you post it in larger text, i can barely read it
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