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Virgil Transfer Rumours - Summer 17

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The9

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May as well put it on here - I think we'll sign a Fonte replacement this summer (which will cause a meltdown with everyone thinking we're selling Van Dijk), and then we'll sell Van Dijk summer of 2018. We haven't just hoiked his wages up and given him a 6 year deal just to let him go with 5 years left, but we won't allow both Fonte and Van Dijk to leave a gap at the same time, it doesn't give us the continuity we need.

The9

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Mlt saying if Liverpool come with the right money in January we'll sell !

 

it's what we do

 

No, what we do is hold onto players until we've guaranteed replacements we're satisfied with - it's why the Alderweireld loan-to-buy hijack left us scrambling for a while, because he was clearly part of the longer-term plan.

The9

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Not sure if this has been posted, in the Sun (NO I don't buy it!) today it seems Saints are braced for bids for Virgil and Jose from Liverpool and Man U.

 

It's just incredibly lazy journalism, ignore it.

Patrick Bateman

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May as well put it on here - I think we'll sign a Fonte replacement this summer (which will cause a meltdown with everyone thinking we're selling Van Dijk), and then we'll sell Van Dijk summer of 2018. We haven't just hoiked his wages up and given him a 6 year deal just to let him go with 5 years left, but we won't allow both Fonte and Van Dijk to leave a gap at the same time, it doesn't give us the continuity we need.

 

Exactly!

SuperSAINT

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May as well put it on here - I think we'll sign a Fonte replacement this summer (which will cause a meltdown with everyone thinking we're selling Van Dijk), and then we'll sell Van Dijk summer of 2018. We haven't just hoiked his wages up and given him a 6 year deal just to let him go with 5 years left, but we won't allow both Fonte and Van Dijk to leave a gap at the same time, it doesn't give us the continuity we need.

 

I reckon if we are to keep Van Dijk for another year, we might have to "do a Spurs/Bale" and keep topping it up at the end of the season.

Batman

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No, what we do is hold onto players until we've guaranteed replacements we're satisfied with - it's why the Alderweireld loan-to-buy hijack left us scrambling for a while, because he was clearly part of the longer-term plan.

 

you think we will keep VvD should we receive a record breaking bid for a Saints player this summer?

 

really?

we sold lallana and shaw after just signing long term deals

Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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you think we will keep VvD should we receive a record breaking bid for a Saints player this summer?

 

really?

we sold lallana and shaw after just signing long term deals

 

Summer no, probably not. But we won't sell him in january unless it really is something absurd like £80million.

deadpanmatt

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Getting him to sign that six year deal was one of the best bits of business the club has ever done.

 

I doubt very much he signed it because he wants to stay for 6 years. I reckon the contract was renegotiated so that Saints were able to ask more for him and so that Virg gets paid more and has the clauses he wants (e.g.- regarding certain clubs bidding for him, Madrid/Barca etc.).

SKD

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May as well put it on here - I think we'll sign a Fonte replacement this summer (which will cause a meltdown with everyone thinking we're selling Van Dijk), and then we'll sell Van Dijk summer of 2018. We haven't just hoiked his wages up and given him a 6 year deal just to let him go with 5 years left, but we won't allow both Fonte and Van Dijk to leave a gap at the same time, it doesn't give us the continuity we need.

 

This was my suspicion as well, but after seeing all the paper talk (one thing I have learnt over the last couple of years is there's no smoke without fire) I suspect VVD may go in the summer. Really hope it's not to Liverpool as it's getting embarrassing loosing our best player to them every summer.

 

Awful business sense, so the club would do it, but I'd sell him to someone in Europe for a cut fee just to ensure he doesn't go to a competitor!

Pass the Dutchie

Pass the Dutchie

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/12/01/ranking-20-best-players-premier-league-november-2016/virgil-van-dijk/

 

"There is absolutely no way that Southampton won’t make a massive profit on Van Dijk at some point very soon. Tall, strong, great in the air and even better on the ground, he is the ball-playing centre-back of Man Utd’s dreams. Or Arsenal’s. Or Man City’s. Or [insert rich team]’s [repeat]."

SuperSAINT

SuperSAINT

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I doubt very much he signed it because he wants to stay for 6 years. I reckon the contract was renegotiated so that Saints were able to ask more for him and so that Virg gets paid more and has the clauses he wants (e.g.- regarding certain clubs bidding for him, Madrid/Barca etc.).

 

He didn't. Even in an interview after he said something like "another couple of years". Who knows if we will even see that extra year.

 

When he signed the 6 year deal, I just thought we at LEAST get him for this season. Which I'm fine with. I love watching him defend.

Saint_clark

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I really hope he goes to Barca when he does go, then we don't have to deal with him and he plays at a level he deserves. If he goes to United, Liverpool etc chances are he'll never play for one of the big three in the world as he's already 25.

marc_saint

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We are not going to sell him in January.

Correct. We do not sell in January.

 

I'm fully consigned to losing him next summer and if he goes to Man City or one of the big Spanish clubs he'll have my blessing as I feel lucky to have had him.

 

I'll be annoyed if he goes to a Liverpool or Man Utd

austsaint

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/12/01/ranking-20-best-players-premier-league-november-2016/virgil-van-dijk/

 

"There is absolutely no way that Southampton won’t make a massive profit on Van Dijk at some point very soon. Tall, strong, great in the air and even better on the ground, he is the ball-playing centre-back of Man Utd’s dreams. Or Arsenal’s. Or Man City’s. Or [insert rich team]’s [repeat]."

 

No denying this quote. I remember thinking Lovren was fairly special, and then Alderweireld who seemed a step up again, but Virgil Van Diik is almost your complete CB. My hope (forlorn) is we get one more season after this........he has to be a 50 million pound transfer, at least - notwithstanding Stones homegrown status, VVD is so much the better player - from what I've seen Joel Matip is the next best CB in the Prem.

kermitsaint

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I realize that we don't sell in January but have we ever actually had a huge bid on a player in Jan previously?

 

Maybe Puel will decide Redmond is a CB instead ?

 

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SuperSAINT

SuperSAINT

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I realize that we don't sell in January but have we ever actually had a huge bid on a player in Jan previously?

 

Spurs for Morgan?

Utd for Mane?

Chinese club for Pelle?

kermitsaint

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Well Pelle left at the end of the season . Spurs never make huge offers for anyone . I can't remember the exact amount for Mane but it wasn't a huge/stupid bid .

 

I honestly can't see us turning down 60 million 'if' it was offered .

 

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eelpie

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Don't forget that there's also a sell on fee to Celtic which is reported at 10% which would reduce any profit that we make on him

 

Plus factor in our 20% undervaluing of Mane last summer. The big clubs have worked out how to prise away our best far too cheaply. In the past they were able to claim that out talent was unproven. VVD is not in this category. He has to be worth more than the erratic Stones.

DuncanRG

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Plus factor in our 20% undervaluing of Mane last summer. The big clubs have worked out how to prise away our best far too cheaply. In the past they were able to claim that out talent was unproven. VVD is not in this category. He has to be worth more than the erratic Stones.

 

Struggling to think who else we've undervalued, I think we've got very good prices for everyone. The only reason we might imagine Mane going for more is because the new TV deal threw out the rulebook, but according to your calculation he was worth £51m, not far off what City paid for De Bruyne.

angelman

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Plus factor in our 20% undervaluing of Mane last summer. The big clubs have worked out how to prise away our best far too cheaply. In the past they were able to claim that out talent was unproven. VVD is not in this category. He has to be worth more than the erratic Stones.

 

Not sure what value you are attaching to Mané - is it £30m + 20%, £34.5m +20% or £38.5m +20%? I imagine that it is the £34.5m one, bringing things closer to £40m. The add ons are apparently very easy to meet bringing things up to a supposed £38.5m, and are not based on his performance but rather the club's. Then there is the fact that it was cash up front and not staggered payments (apparently). And then who knows what else is in the contract? What sell on fee there might be, or anything else.

ErwinK1961

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Heard on Talksport this morning that City are in for him. To be fair he is a perfect fit for them. Start the bidding Les.

 

Was that before or after Alan Brazil said that John Terry would be a perfect replacement for VVD?!

Matthew Le God

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Plus factor in our 20% undervaluing of Mane last summer. The big clubs have worked out how to prise away our best far too cheaply.

 

The Telegraph reported the deal for Sadio Mane is a figure which could rise to £38.5m. Not very many players in world football history have gone for more.

 

Which other players are you claiming we sold "far too cheaply"?

nta786

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The Telegraph reported the deal for Sadio Mane is a figure which could rise to £38.5m. Not very many players in world football history have gone for more.

 

Which other players are you claiming we sold "far too cheaply"?

 

clyne and wanyama- but obviously i know it was because of their contract situations- think thats what eelpie means anyway, but obviously we've worked on that by giving many of our players new longer contracts.

Matthew Le God

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A Clyne/Wanyama price drop situation can't happen to van Dijk until the summer of 2021 when he has 12 months left on his contract, which ends in 2022. He'll be sold for a huge fee long before then, probably summer 2017.

Tommy Mulgrew

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I've noted the reference in post 123 to Ruben Semedo and can see echos of VVD in his play. Nelson Semedo, who plays RB or RM for Benfica and is only 23, looks like a Saints-type player, too. "Are they by chance related?"!

shurlock

shurlock

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Wouldn't be consistent with the way we do business; but it's such a specific revelation, unlike the vague, impossible-to-verify horse**** that the papers generally put out that it might just be true.

Heisenberg

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So first everyone said we didnt do verbal agreements

 

Then everyone kinda acknowledged we do

 

Next everyone denied these release claues

 

Then this.......

 

We need new owners and a new set of bôllocks ASAP

CB Fry

CB Fry

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So first everyone said we didnt do verbal agreements

 

Then everyone kinda acknowledged we do

 

Next everyone denied these release claues

 

Then this.......

 

We need new owners and a new set of bôllocks ASAP

It's easy to deny release clauses when we haven't had one for a single player we've sold over the last three years, and that's a fu ck of a lot of sales.

 

So, kinda acknowledge that we haven't had them, yeah?

 

2/10.

shurlock

shurlock

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I doubt he has a release clause at all. Players know that if we receive the right offer then we are happy to accept. There's no need for him to have any release clause.

 

Why? Rationally if you're a player, you'd want a release clause. It avoids a bidding war which will drive teams out of the market. With a release clause, the player thus has greater choice -and can go to his preferred side rather than the highest bidder which aren't necessarily the same.

Heisenberg

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It's easy to deny release clauses when we haven't had one for a single player we've sold over the last three years, and that's a fu ck of a lot of sales.

 

So, kinda acknowledge that we haven't had them, yeah?

 

2/10.

 

Player release clauses would kinda explain the ease at which players leave this club and the reletive low end fees we receive on occasions?

 

Easier to pretend it doesnt happen though hey

 

Im sure you have a few copies of players contracts to prove it doesnt happen

Pamplemousse

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If he does have a release clause that small, why didn't Koeman sign him in the summer when he had the chance?

 

It just makes no sense to me, and I sense that the story is booollocks.

CB Fry

CB Fry

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Player release clauses would kinda explain the ease at which players leave this club and the reletive low end fees we receive on occasions?

 

Easier to pretend it doesnt happen though hey

 

Im sure you have a few copies of players contracts to prove it doesnt happen

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Fitzhugh Fella

Fitzhugh Fella

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I'd be amazed if true. Why sign him on a big new deal with a ludicrous release clause?

 

To persuade him to commit to signing a long contract. I think this is a true story. However if two clubs start a bidding war we could get a lot more

CB Fry

CB Fry

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To persuade him to commit to signing a long contract. I think this is a true story. However if two clubs start a bidding war we could get a lot more

How on earth can there be a bidding war if there's a release clause?

Strangely Brown

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To persuade him to commit to signing a long contract. I think this is a true story. However if two clubs start a bidding war we could get a lot more

 

Is it me or is there a sense of irony here. You get a player to sign a long term contract and then put a low value release clause in the contract!!! So how does that benefit the club? Economics of the mad house :facepalm:

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