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Gingeletiss

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I was expecting a update yesterday but all relatively quiet as of last night. Club still working hard to line up our deals and getting ready to respond if a serious offer for VVD come in which is expected. Still being told that a improved Liverpool offer, if it comes, is likely to be rejected. Club are prepared to call VVd's bluff and leave him to sit out the whole season if that's what he wants to do. Club don't think he'll do that all season but if he does thhe club are prepared for that to happen.

 

How can there be 'an improved' offer, as no offer has been made, and if one was, that would contravene the reason an apology was made.

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I was expecting a update yesterday but all relatively quiet as of last night. Club still working hard to line up our deals and getting ready to respond if a serious offer for VVD come in which is expected. Still being told that a improved Liverpool offer, if it comes, is likely to be rejected. Club are prepared to call VVd's bluff and leave him to sit out the whole season if that's what he wants to do. Club don't think he'll do that all season but if he does thhe club are prepared for that to happen.

 

Awesome. Correct stance and a good move by the new owners if they are driving it.

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Heisenberg

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Selling to Liverpool - Unforgivable

Selling with just hours left on the transfer window - predicable

Finishing net spend winners again - consistent

 

We have been so close to something great last 3-4 years but Reed can never quite manage to complete the jigsaw. Its simple keep VVD and add an AM and we have huge potential. Sell your best player AGAIN (to Liverpool AGAIN) and we just make up the numbers like last season.

 

Don't let us down AGAIN SFC!!

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What's deluded is that a team with a poor record in defending set pieces wants a defender from a team with a worse record in defending set pieces.

 

But hey ho.

 

were we not the worst when VvD was out?

do you not think he would massive improve them defensively and more so, on an aerial front?

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Awesome. Correct stance and a good move by the new owners if they are driving it.

 

 

We shall see, he probably won't need to sit out the whole season, if he sits out the 20 or so games between now and January we'll be going cap in hand to whomsover is willing to give us a few quid for him. I hope he does because I am absolutely against any person being held anywhere against their free will.

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We shall see, he probably won't need to sit out the whole season, if he sits out the 20 or so games between now and January we'll be going cap in hand to whomsover is willing to give us a few quid for him. I hope he does because I am absolutely against any person being held anywhere against their free will.

 

He happily signed a 6 year contract a year ago. He will just have to suck it up.

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He happily signed a 6 year contract a year ago. He will just have to suck it up.

 

Which he should be able to buy himself out of as in Spain. Circumstances change and a way out should always be defined from the outset. This isn't even about money, we'll no doubt be offered large compensation, it's about stubborness and self interest because certain mouthpieces of the club insist in talking themselves into corners every summer. VvD has an easy way out, start playing again and be voluntarily crap, doubt if he'll do that though. Needs some player held against his will from going to a better job (cos that's all it is) to do it, clubs won't be silly again.

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How can there be 'an improved' offer, as no offer has been made, and if one was, that would contravene the reason an apology was made.
that's what I thought, no offer apparently made and so how can that be improved?

Would the owners of Liverpool come out with such a statement they did in their apology to then go back on it,I suppose if they buckle re Coutinho, they may not be to their word re VVD. I assume they are waiting for us to contact them offering VVD for sale

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Club are prepared to call VVd's bluff and leave him to sit out the whole season if that's what he wants to do. Club don't think he'll do that all season but if he does thhe club are prepared for that to happen.

 

I sincerely hope this is the case. I think a hell of a lot of clubs will applaud Southampton's stance if this comes true and it sends out a message to players. I see that Drinkwater is now trying to force a move out of Leicester......it all needs stamping out and if we are in the box seat for doing it then more power to us as a club.

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Or play Sahko who is great in the air...very good at Palace.

 

 

There's another sad case which shouldn't exist. Sakho seems to have no chance of playing for Liverpool again and other clubs are seemingly willing to give him a new start. Yet Liverpool can refuse offers over and above the amount they paid for him and restrict his right to play.

FiFPro lodged a suit a couple of years back to end all of this but don't think it ever made any great progress.

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You're right, why not buy a defender who is good at defending set pieces?

 

Eh? Can't remember us conceding many from setpieces when VVD was in the line-up -whether under Puel and VVD. He's an absolute monster in the air. Suggest you actually watch him play and give the political porn on order-order a rest, pal.

 

Even if it was true, hypothetically, why should a team's performances say anything about the qualities of the individual? Perhaps the individual is winning his aerial battles but others in the side aren't. How would the team's record in defending setpieces be relevant unless the interested club wanted to buy the whole team? By your logic, Noles, MLG was a bland and uncreative footballer because he happened to play for a toothless Saints side.

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IF its £70m cash NO installments. Then I say sell Him!

 

I'm pretty sure I've read that every transfer deal is structured in some way, then based on the contract between the clubs (providing both clubs are solvent etc), the bank will release the same amount of liquidity, as structured payments however you spend it. I'm pretty sure no club will have £70m sitting around gathering dust in a bank account.

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We shall see, he probably won't need to sit out the whole season, if he sits out the 20 or so games between now and January we'll be going cap in hand to whomsover is willing to give us a few quid for him. I hope he does because I am absolutely against any person being held anywhere against their free will.

Being paid his level of wages for sitting on my @rse in a luxury house is the kind of "being held against my will" I would gladly accept.

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I was expecting a update yesterday but all relatively quiet as of last night. Club still working hard to line up our deals and getting ready to respond if a serious offer for VVD come in which is expected. Still being told that a improved Liverpool offer, if it comes, is likely to be rejected. Club are prepared to call VVd's bluff and leave him to sit out the whole season if that's what he wants to do. Club don't think he'll do that all season but if he does thhe club are prepared for that to happen.

 

If true, then I will have the up most respect for Les and the board in how they have handled this window.

 

In all honesty, I think it's a very sensible approach. Every player has their price and as long as they leave on our terms (we decide where and how much), everyone's a winner.

 

Come Friday, Virgil is probably going to have a massive decision to make. Does he sit out all year, meaning he hasn't played competitive football for 18 months (who will pay £70m for that?!) or does he sack his agent, apologise and blame it all on him, get his head down for a year and move to someone bigger than Liverpool?

 

I cannot wait to see the disappointment in those arrogant, victim seeking, ****s faces come end of the window. Stay strong, Les.

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VectisSaint

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We shall see, he probably won't need to sit out the whole season, if he sits out the 20 or so games between now and January we'll be going cap in hand to whomsover is willing to give us a few quid for him. I hope he does because I am absolutely against any person being held anywhere against their free will.

He's not being held "against his free will" though, he is being held against his contract which he happily made of his own free will a year ago. He is not being held captive like some hostage. He could always buy out his contract if he really wanted to, it would be unlikely we would then keep his registration which is what prevents him playing elsewhere. Whether he could actually afford to buy out his contract is another matter (given it would be around £17m).

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He's not being held "against his free will" though, he is being held against his contract which he happily made of his own free will a year ago. He is not being held captive like some hostage. He could always buy out his contract if he really wanted to, it would be unlikely we would then keep his registration which is what prevents him playing elsewhere. Whether he could actually afford to buy out his contract is another matter (given it would be around £17m).

 

Really ? So he could buy himself out for 17 million and then lodge an action for restriction of trade, in which he'd no doubt be successful. I don't know that that's really a possiblity actually. Needs to take his case to FIFPro if he hasn't already.

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So what will it be £50 million up front then still a nice bit of interest to be had

And what's to stop us demanding the £70 million up front ?

You really think they would do this to earn maybe £50k in interest. It may seem a lot to you, but that's just peanuts in the overall scheme of things.

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There's another sad case which shouldn't exist. Sakho seems to have no chance of playing for Liverpool again and other clubs are seemingly willing to give him a new start. Yet Liverpool can refuse offers over and above the amount they paid for him and restrict his right to play.

FiFPro lodged a suit a couple of years back to end all of this but don't think it ever made any great progress.

 

I think it was titled, 'Sign A Shorter Contract'.

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4352228/virgil-van-dijk-liverpool-transfer-news-arsenal-chelsea/?utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SprnklrSUNOrganic&UTMX=Editorial:TheSunFootball:TwImageandlink:Statement:Sport

 

Says vd has agreed terms.... but also says that Palace hope to get Sakho for 20 million ..... they were turned down yesterday for 25.

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I do find it funny how with only 48 hours left in the window we still have no idea who this attacking player is we might be after. You'd have thought there would have been rumblings in our interest leaked from somewhere by now - especially if it was a player of some repute - but we haven't heard a thing. Would beg the question are we really willing to sell if there isn't a player lined up to spend the cash on?

 

Yep. This is a load of guff. Its one in, one out, and if we capitulate on VVD there wont even be time for that. And by the time the window opens, they will hope we've forgotten the 70m we got for VVD.

 

The club is back to the good old L*we days...

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He ageed terms with bin-dippers weeks ago. He's been talking to them for months. So what ? The club says nevertheless he's going nowhere.

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I would suggest minimal credibility.

 

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I do find it funny how with only 48 hours left in the window we still have no idea who this attacking player is we might be after. You'd have thought there would have been rumblings in our interest leaked from somewhere by now - especially if it was a player of some repute - but we haven't heard a thing. Would beg the question are we really willing to sell if there isn't a player lined up to spend the cash on?
You and I may have no idea, but that doesn't mean Saints don't either. Virtually no-one knew Mané was on the radar until he signed.

 

And I think there are alternatives according to whether VVD stays or goes.

 

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Wimborne_saint

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What I’ve been told:

- He’s as good as gone and unfortunately to Liverpool. Bid expected to come in today and understand that assuming it’s over £70m (which it will be), Saints will let him leave.

- No CB replacement but we will bring in an attacker. No idea who it is.

 

Source has been reliable all summer with transfers, although was incorrect about takeover timeline (told me it wasn’t close and then happened 3 weeks later!) so take it with a pinch of salt.

 

Source can't be that good - in one of your posts you said Hoedt would be announced that evening...next day he was on the bench for Lazio!

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You and I may have no idea, but that doesn't mean Saints don't either. Virtually no-one knew Mané was on the radar until he signed.

 

And I think there are alternatives according to whether VVD stays or goes.

 

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Thing is that at window close minus 36 hours or so and most gifted players on international duty somewhere or other, last minute transfers will need a bit of logistical prowess. Can see private charter jet people making a few swans tomorrow.

Strange situation with a transfer window close right in the middle of a WC qualifier fortnight.

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Really ? So he could buy himself out for 17 million and then lodge an action for restriction of trade, in which he'd no doubt be successful. I don't know that that's really a possiblity actually. Needs to take his case to FIFPro if he hasn't already.

 

No restriction of trade here though. He can start to "apply his trade" the minute the clock hits 11pm on thursday. As Tom28 says, thats up to him. We are just restricting him from applying his trade elsewhere, as per the legal document signed just a few months ago. If he went to court, and won, then football contracts will no longer be worth the paper they are written on. Players will be able to push for a move to another club even when the valuation is not met. The transfer system will completely breakdown and clubs will go to the wall.

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Gingeletiss

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He agreed terms a couple of months ago, in Blackpool, but hey! whatever sells papers.

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We shall see, he probably won't need to sit out the whole season, if he sits out the 20 or so games between now and January we'll be going cap in hand to whomsover is willing to give us a few quid for him. I hope he does because I am absolutely against any person being held anywhere against their free will.

 

 

Bit dramatic, its VVD we are talking about, not Terry Waite!

 

Also, him sitting out 20+ games this season is going to stitch him up more than it will SFC. We get 50m at the end of the season, instead of 70+ now.

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No restriction of trade here though. He can start to "apply his trade" the minute the clock hits 11pm on thursday. As Tom28 says, thats up to him. We are just restricting him from applying his trade elsewhere, as per the legal document signed just a few months ago. If he went to court, and won, then football contracts will no longer be worth the paper they are written on. Players will be able to push for a move to another club even when the valuation is not met. The transfer system will completely breakdown and clubs will go to the wall.

 

The point here being that Vectis suggested he could buy himself out of his contract for 17 million or so but not have his registration released. That would be restriction of trade I believe. So if it t'were in fact possible to buy yourself out of a contract for relatively little then then transfer system would collapse anyway. Which is what FIFPro have been pushing for these last years. They have recently asked the European Commission to look into the legality of transfer fees once again. It may go on for years again but so did the Bosman case.

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That's a typically malign bit of Sun anti-Saints mischief-making. Also comes with a cynical attempt to rebuild it's disastrous relationship with Liverpool fans. Wild cheap[ journalism without basis.

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Bit dramatic, its VVD we are talking about, not Terry Waite!

 

Also, him sitting out 20+ games this season is going to stitch him up more than it will SFC. We get 50m at the end of the season, instead of 70+ now.

 

And what would he lose by sitting out those 20 games out of principal ? Even if he received not a penny of salary it would cost him about a million in salary which any club buying him in January would happily give him back especially if they got him for 20 million less. FIFPro is going to make a meal out of all of these cases that are being thrown up in the UK this summer, never have there been so many in a single window.

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I was thinking yesterday this could have been Chamberlain, his family live in the area right?

Isn't Chamberlain somewhere with the England team at this moment ? And Lallana would have no great reason to return to Liverpool yesterday in a private jet. He's injured and they have no match for 10 days or so. Not that I really believe that it's anything to do with VvD but he'd certainly avoid Southampton Airport anyway.

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The thing that baffles me about the whole VVD issue is, that there never has been an offer, as far as I know, made by anyone Liverpool included, for his services. No transfer bid has ever been rejected by Southampton, so why is he refusing to cooperate?

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This is second hand from another forum, but VVD is apparently being reintegrated with a view to being in contention to play against palace. Poster on this site is genuine so I have no reason to believe that this isn't true. Said this is from a "very good source at the club"

 

 

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The thing that baffles me about the whole VVD issue is, that there never has been an offer, as far as I know, made by anyone Liverpool included, for his services. No transfer bid has ever been rejected by Southampton, so why is he refusing to cooperate?

 

Well I think the basic process is buyer discusses with agent, names price, agent puts deal to seller and then reports required amount to buyer. Only when the sides are fairly close do the official written bids start coming in. It's an informal process in the main. That way each side is free to deny any formal contact in case it sets a precedent and eliminates any eventual element of deniability. The world now works through back channels in the main.

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This is second hand from another forum, but VVD is apparently being reintegrated with a view to being in contention to play against palace. Poster on this site is genuine so I have no reason to believe that this isn't true. Said this is from a "very good source at the club"

 

 

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This is second hand from another forum, but VVD is apparently being reintegrated with a view to being in contention to play against palace. Poster on this site is genuine so I have no reason to believe that this isn't true. Said this is from a "very good source at the club"

 

 

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I get the impression the club have been prepared to re-integrate him for some time, but first he has to accept that he's going nowhere and second he has to be convincing about his commitment and effort.

 

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