benjii Posted 23 August, 2017 Posted 23 August, 2017 tom28 He didn't say Liverpool have bid. Just some vague guff about revealing something after he goes.
shurlock Posted 23 August, 2017 Posted 23 August, 2017 He didn't say Liverpool have bid. Just some vague guff about revealing something after he goes. Post 7458, final para.
simo Posted 23 August, 2017 Posted 23 August, 2017 Like I said, I'll share more on 1st September if VVD has gone. You'll know then that I'm no plant. The idea of a multi million pound organisation having a plant on a ****ty fans forum is bonkers by the way...Just have a lie down and think that through for a minute. Re: Questions about Liverpool... They are the only club that has bid. I honestly don't know if the club will soften their stance towards Liverpool. I haven't heard anything at all to suggest they will though. Like someone has said earlier it's happened before and eh you may not even know you are but tbf I was on about you sounding like he's off to the dippers more than being a plant ! If the media haven't had a sniff of their bid your info must come from a select group ?
sotonjoe Posted 23 August, 2017 Posted 23 August, 2017 There are things I know but cannot say. I will share them on here on 1st September if VVD has gone. But the report that things are now toxic is absolutely true. Even if VVD stays, I don't see a way for him to play given what I've been told in the last 24-36 hours. I fully expect him to go now. The club will be criticised by some and some will say this was the clubs plan all along. I can promise you it was not. Previously you were saying he wouldn't go, and now you "fully expect him to go". **** off back to school and stop attention seeking. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Tom Posted 23 August, 2017 Posted 23 August, 2017 Those of us with long memories will recall Rupert Lowe hiring a PR firm to do exactly that. Not to mention the actual police posting as someone in "Banter" a lot.......
S-Clarke Posted 23 August, 2017 Posted 23 August, 2017 Not to mention the actual police posting as someone in "Banter" a lot....... Good old Rog.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 23 August, 2017 Posted 23 August, 2017 Previously you were saying he wouldn't go, and now you "fully expect him to go". **** off back to school and stop attention seeking. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk You seem to have your angry head on tonight..... Pre menstrual ?
benjii Posted 23 August, 2017 Posted 23 August, 2017 Post 7458, final para. Ahh, yes. Sorry, I should have been clearer. He didn't say Liverpool have bid recently. I assume that was a reference to the initial attempt to sign him. I interpreted his posts as: he now expects him to leave but the only bid was Liverpool's original attempt. I appreciate that my post did not make that at all clear though!
Saint Albert Posted 23 August, 2017 Posted 23 August, 2017 Ahh, yes. Sorry, I should have been clearer. He didn't say Liverpool have bid recently. I assume that was a reference to the initial attempt to sign him. I interpreted his posts as: he now expects him to leave but the only bid was Liverpool's original attempt. I appreciate that my post did not make that at all clear though! I may be misremembering his posts but I think last week or so Tom mentioned that a bid had come in that was close to Saints' asking price, and was rejected. I interpreted that to mean a recent bid, but you never know. Liverpool did not make any bids during the blow-up in June. That info either came from the club itself or from one of its "friendly" journalists.
californiasaint Posted 23 August, 2017 Posted 23 August, 2017 Letting VVD rot is cutting off the nose to spite the face. Take the dosh, buy two more players, and hope you're doing this again next season because that means it's working.
Saint Albert Posted 23 August, 2017 Posted 23 August, 2017 (edited) Deleted post. Linked to old story Edited 23 August, 2017 by Saint Albert
hypochondriac Posted 23 August, 2017 Posted 23 August, 2017 My worry if he is sold is how much will actually be spent on strengthening considering Gao is now in charge. I'd like us to keep him this window if for no other reason than to reassure me that Gao isn't just in this to milk us.
aintforever Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 Either play the c^nt or sell the c^nt. Stop all this pointless ****ing around.
scotty Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 Either play the c^nt or sell the c^nt. Stop all this pointless ****ing around. I'm guessing that the club don't see it as pointless, or they would have done one or the other already.
St Chalet Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 Previously you were saying he wouldn't go, and now you "fully expect him to go". **** off back to school and stop attention seeking. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Of course, no situation has changer ever.
Mr X Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 Either play the c^nt or sell the c^nt. Stop all this pointless ****ing around.How can they force him to play if he's refusing to? How can they sell him when noone wants to pay our valuation & he refuses to go anywhere other than liverhampton? Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk
egg Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 How can they force him to play if he's refusing to? How can they sell him when noone wants to pay our valuation & he refuses to go anywhere other than liverhampton? Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Pretty much it, except there's a bid in from Liverpool. Unless there's a higher bid than that we either take the money or leave him till Jan. My guess is that we'll take their money and move on.
Shroppie Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 Pretty much it, except there's a bid in from Liverpool. Unless there's a higher bid than that we either take the money or leave him till Jan. My guess is that we'll take their money and move on.Where's the bid from Liverpool? I think you're pretty well totally wrong. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk
Batman Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 Like I said, I'll share more on 1st September if VVD has gone. You'll know then that I'm no plant. The idea of a multi million pound organisation having a plant on a ****ty fans forum is bonkers by the way...Just have a lie down and think that through for a minute. Re: Questions about Liverpool... They are the only club that has bid. I honestly don't know if the club will soften their stance towards Liverpool. I haven't heard anything at all to suggest they will though. Where's the bid from Liverpool? I think you're pretty well totally wrong. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk here you go
egg Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 Where's the bid from Liverpool? I think you're pretty well totally wrong. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk See above. Perhaps try to separate what you would like to see happen from what is likely to happen.
John Boy Saint Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 Here's a thought; Saints have pretty much resigned themselves to VVD going, but rather than let him go for mega bucks at the opening of the window. Have let him fester while they got in players like Lemina and Hoedt at "sensible" prices rather than prices that are inflated by the selling team realising that we are loaded.
Saint_John Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 IMO the atmosphere at St Marys will be VERY TOXIC against Les / Ralph if they give in now. That will overflow to MP and the players on the pitch which will bring back memories of the anti-Lowe days of 2006. How many remember that 2-0 defeat against Ipswich (I think) where suddenly in the 80th min without creating a chance in the match the whole of the ground including "middle-England" fans stood up and demanded that Lowe left the club.
egg Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 Here's a thought; Saints have pretty much resigned themselves to VVD going, but rather than let him go for mega bucks at the opening of the window. Have let him fester while they got in players like Lemina and Hoedt at "sensible" prices rather than prices that are inflated by the selling team realising that we are loaded. Absolutely. The club ain't stupid. Saying that he wasn't for sale doesn't mean that he was never going to be sold, and the long contract works to our advantage. It's brinkmanship and tactics, pure and simple.
SKD Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 Sell to Chelsea for c.£50m + Christensen and then use that money to get a creative ACM and a forward. Credit to the board for going this far, and as long as they don't sell to Liverpool I'd have no hard feelings. But there is little to no point keeping a player who doesn't want / won't play for us, when there are other areas of the squad that need improvement.
egg Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 IMO the atmosphere at St Marys will be VERY TOXIC against Les / Ralph if they give in now. That will overflow to MP and the players on the pitch which will bring back memories of the anti-Lowe days of 2006. How many remember that 2-0 defeat against Ipswich (I think) where suddenly in the 80th min without creating a chance in the match the whole of the ground including "middle-England" fans stood up and demanded that Lowe left the club. Behave. The sale of a want away player, after 3 seasons in the top 8 and two signings of international players, is a teenie but different to the farce that was the latter stages of the lowe era.
egg Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 Sell to Chelsea for c.£50m + Christensen and then use that money to get a creative ACM and a forward. Credit to the board for going this far, and as long as they don't sell to Liverpool I'd have no hard feelings. But there is little to no point keeping a player who doesn't want / won't play for us, when there are other areas of the squad that need improvement. Err Chelsea haven't bid. Perhaps Christensen won't want to come. We can't just nominate a buyer, a price and a part ex player. This isn't fantasy football.
Wimborne_saint Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 - Van Dijk's best friend posted a teasing photos about liverpool and the CL last night on his instagram story before deleting them..
Diabolus Ex Machina Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 After spending the whole summer pushing the club’s strategy of wanting to keep all of our best players and that VVD was definitively not for sale, to go back on it now would be a total capitulation in my eyes. There’s also the fact that we’ve already heard that the likes of Cedric and Bertrand will want to go if he is sold and of course this would just show that we can be backed into a corner and will succumb to player demands meaning this could happen over and over again in the future. I don’t care how much of a d*ckhead he’s being or even if he refuses to play – giving in now is likely to have negative ramifications for the club for years to come and is bigger than just a single player or transfer. We have CB cover now and I’m hoping we’re not desperate for the money, so make him stay and then if he still refuses to play ball and wants to sit out a season then more fool him. A ridiculous bid that would be inconceivable for anyone to turn down may be enough to change things but I can’t see that happening, what with Liverpool apparently being the only team making a bid and even then Tom28 has said he doesn’t even know if we are willing to deal with them.
angelman Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 Ah the twitter/instagram messages. Pathetic. Frankly vD and his agent are behaving like complete knobs. I'm sure that they'll both be very happy in the end.
Dusic Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 If we sell him in these last few days of rhe window then I am at a loss to understand how that is better than just selling him in May (most were expecting him to go anyway), avoiding all the bull**** and disruption during the summer and having a bigger transfer budget to spend? If he goes now the Bednarek signing seems even more bizarre as I think we would still need another CB to come in. Despite the signing of Hoedt, without VVD, our CB options are the poorest since our first season back in the PL. Admirable stance not to sell but it has to be carried through otherwise all we have done is actually harm ourselves IMO.
Batman Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 If we sell him in these last few days of rhe window then I am at a loss to understand how that is better than just selling him in May (most were expecting him to go anyway), avoiding all the bull**** and disruption during the summer and having a bigger transfer budget to spend? If he goes now the Bednarek signing seems even more bizarre as I think we would still need another CB to come in. Despite the signing of Hoedt, without VVD, our CB options are the poorest since our first season back in the PL. Admirable stance not to sell but it has to be carried through otherwise all we have done is actually harm ourselves IMO. expect to see various articles in the press to cement the clubs position in the 'not more we could do' side of the argument
S-Clarke Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 Whatever happens, it's simply too late in the day to sell now. If he doesn't want to play for us after August, let him rot. But selling now would just prove all these annoying Liverpool pundits and fans right.
Batman Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 Whatever happens, it's simply too late in the day to sell now. If he doesn't want to play for us after August, let him rot. But selling now would just prove all these annoying Liverpool pundits and fans right. it will. We need to replace him if we do sell him ffs
S-Clarke Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 it will. We need to replace him if we do sell him ffs And of course that. Too late in the day, unless we have our ducks lined up already. If we get £75m, he throws another big paddy, we bring in a £25m attacker and a £20m centre back replacement, I think most of us would just reluctantly accept that. Just think it's too late to sort any of that out.
Batman Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 And of course that. Too late in the day, unless we have our ducks lined up already. If we get £75m, he throws another big paddy, we bring in a £25m attacker and a £20m centre back replacement, I think most of us would just reluctantly accept that. Just think it's too late to sort any of that out. totally agree but can you see us spending £20m on a player this season, let alone £25m...? not me
hutch Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 I met a bloke recently that claimed he could remember seeing van Dijk play for Saints. He was pretty old, though.
ashnats Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 give him to Liverpool on a free. agent gets nothing that way. "there you go, you little ****, have your move, you're not worth anything you odius ********, now get out of our club". I really don't think Liverpool will be a good move for him, happy to see him go there and get his comeuppance - ditto man city, they are 'big' moves to clubs that don't suit that type of player - he needs to go to a well organised defensive unit. Chelsea would be by far the best club for him, career speaking. In that way, I'd rather see him go to liverpool than chelsea. he'd be a beast at chelsea. at sea at liverpool.
Diabolus Ex Machina Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 expect to see various articles in the press to cement the clubs position in the 'not more we could do' side of the argument We don't need to 'do' anything though if we don't want to - he's our player and if he's sold it should be because we want to not because we are forced to and not selling him is most definitely an option available to us. If we really believe that he has to be sold no matter want then surely there's no reason someone like Liverpool couldn't just now put in a lower bid of say £40m because they know we will accept it just to get him out of the club? Any admission that we can't / won't hold onto him only reduces any bargaining power we may have. You could argue that Tom28's little snippets have already opened up that possibility.
Saint Pete Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 If we cave in now and sell to Liverpool, I don't think Ralph's reputation with the fans can ever recover from that. It would make all the stuff in his last statement about drawing a line utterly meaningless and prove everyone right who have said that ultimately we always sell if enough pressure is applied. I personally don't buy all this "toxic" atmosphere stuff which is predictably starting to come out now in advance of a possible climb down. It's just PR nonsense to save face if and when we do sell. Only the other day, Van Dijk was pictured in training with the U23s so the atmosphere can't have been that toxic then? I think most reasonable fans would accept a sale to another club at this stage if price is right and the club commit to reinvesting. But selling to Liverpool would leave us looking like total mugs and opens us up to a whole load more pain from players acting up in the same way in future. Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk
Soggy Bottom Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 All this negativity is basically out there so we all turn around and say stuff him he can go, but we should hold our nerve keep him, i'm sure wants the window everything will calm down and he will integrate into the team, everything will be forgotten and forgiven.
simo Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 IMO the atmosphere at St Marys will be VERY TOXIC against Les / Ralph if they give in now. That will overflow to MP and the players on the pitch which will bring back memories of the anti-Lowe days of 2006. How many remember that 2-0 defeat against Ipswich (I think) where suddenly in the 80th min without creating a chance in the match the whole of the ground including "middle-England" fans stood up and demanded that Lowe left the club. Chorus''s of "swing Ralph swing Les and Ralph. ..." will be cascading down the terraces I can see it now!
beatlesaint Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 Whatever happens, it's simply too late in the day to sell now. If he doesn't want to play for us after August, let him rot. But selling now would just prove all these annoying Liverpool pundits and fans right. Absolutely this. We are just one, albeit very long, week away from pulling this off and standing firm. It would be a big kick in the nuts to concede now no matter what him and his agent do or say. One more week away from him either making some form of peace with the club and coming back into the fold or one week away from him cutting off his nose to spite his face whilst not playing and forking out weekly fines for not honouring or fulfilling his contract.
Shroppie Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 here you goFair enough. I hadn't caught up on that. Tom's previous posts suggested the bid wasn't Liverpool. Can't see us backtracking though. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk
Raging Bull Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 give him to Liverpool on a free. agent gets nothing that way. "there you go, you little ****, have your move, you're not worth anything you odius ********, now get out of our club". I really don't think Liverpool will be a good move for him, happy to see him go there and get his comeuppance - ditto man city, they are 'big' moves to clubs that don't suit that type of player - he needs to go to a well organised defensive unit. Chelsea would be by far the best club for him, career speaking. In that way, I'd rather see him go to liverpool than chelsea. he'd be a beast at chelsea. at sea at liverpool. Just remember kids, early morning drinking leads to long term mental processing issues.
Saints foreva Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 It's too late in the window to sell him now.
egg Posted 24 August, 2017 Posted 24 August, 2017 It's too late in the window to sell him now. Why, Hoedt is his replacement. The fact that Bednarek isn't good enough to be 4th pick doesn't mean that the club will bring in another CB. We have Stephens, Yoshida, Hoedt, Bednarek, Gardos (yeah I know) possibly all taking 5 of our 25 squad places and won't add to that. If we play a back 3 then Bertrand can play left side. In the very unlikely event VVD stays the question is whether he gets a squad place in place of say Gardos or whether he's left to nurse some vague injury without a squad number til jan.
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