S-Clarke Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 agreed maybe a loan to rebuild his confidence it begs the question is it confidence or fitness? Combination of both. I'd defintley loan him in January down to the NPC. Get his fitness back, get his confidence back and get him believing he can score goals again. I don't think any of us will really know for sure if he's ''gone'' for good until he's given a decent run in a side - and that won't be us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Regarding Martina, my view of him is that he shouldn't be a player used as part of a rotation policy, but rather as a back up for when we have injuries (we're not going to have 3 or 4 top level right backs...) But in actual fact, that is what he is. Pied is out for the season and Cedric has had a fairly long lay off. I'm not excusing his performance, it drove me up the wall and it's not the first time this season. BUT to put things in perspective, he wouldn't be playing as many games if we had a fully fit squad. There are other players who were woeful tonight who are supposed to be competing for regular team football. That concerns me more - take out a few of our first teamers and we drop to a dreadful standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 I am p issed at the result but am just sick of the same moaning tools enjoying winding up others with their trolling Sick of you mate. You have ruined this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prickly Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 I genuinely feel that once we stop rotating, and I guess that means being out of one or two competitions, we will be a much better side. I admire Puel and his desire to fight on all fronts and you have to use the tools available to you. I would love to see us staying in, and really competing in everything but, I think that for the talent pool we have it is a step too far. I would put money on us having a strong end to the season once players get a run of games together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Pointless signing a new striker, the poor sod would never get the ball - no creativity, no decent crosses. The midfield selected tonight barely have a goal between them. Puel's brand of football leaves me a bit cold to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Predictable , pathetic, cant be arsed effort at trying to win a football match. Only way they are going to score tonight is in one of Prague,s whore houses. What is the point of striving for European football and then producing that ? Clasie and Martina are dire players yet still get gametime, Christ has this team regressed since last season. Unless someone sorts things out fast , this season is going to stall badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Clasie and Ward Prowse in the same midfield is a recipe for disaster - they are like twins who unfortunately can't play football. That was dire from start to finish against a very ordinary Sparta Prague side. We are regressing into a side that is plainly awful to watch. Slow and laboured in build up, lacking invention and with zero flair. Oh for the days of the high press, and turn over of possession high up the pitch enabling us to get into the opponents danger zone. This propoganda sideways/backwards football is cringeworthy to watch. So slow and predictable. Maybe we should take up this walking football that the seniors play. Abysmal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammon cheeks Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 SOUTHAMPTON 0 yet again! Sideways backwards sideways backwards zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! Puels team selection..... Puels tactics! Awful performance ......Lack of quality is starting to catch up with us aswell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Pointless signing a new striker, the poor sod would never get the ball - no creativity, no decent crosses. The midfield selected tonight barely have a goal between them. Puel's brand of football leaves me a bit cold to be honest. If we signed a new striker, it would have to be a tall/strong type. Someone who could act as a focal point, as we don't have that option with any of our forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Sick of you mate. You have ruined this forum. Perhaps because you agree with ones that like winding up people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Sick of you mate. You have ruined this forum. The irony of that post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 24 November, 2016 Author Share Posted 24 November, 2016 I genuinely feel that once we stop rotating, and I guess that means being out of one or two competitions, we will be a much better side. I admire Puel and his desire to fight on all fronts and you have to use the tools available to you. I would love to see us staying in, and really competing in everything but, I think that for the talent pool we have it is a step too far. I would put money on us having a strong end to the season once players get a run of games together. 8 posts in 10 years, you should post more with well reasoned comments like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trout-Tickler Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 We've got better players than Sparta but they defended well and quite simply wanted it more, that's what annoys me. Additionally our build up play is so slow, we weave pretty patterns but go absolutely no-where. If we're being honest it looked more likely that Sparta would score a second than us score an equiliser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Had to turn over once Puel started speaking there No passion no spark and no clue - just like us on the pitch I know English is not his language but Jeezus the guy is so dull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Mate no offence but you sound like a nutter. We are dire right now. We can't score to save our lives. I'm all for positivity but how anyone can be positive about that display is nuts. I am not, hth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 The irony of that post. Hardly ever post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Poor performance, but, looking at the positive, qualification is still in our hands. Still in 3 competitions, with the FA Cup still to come, but a season defining couple of weeks coming up. I wonder if we'll have as poor a November and December run as last season? (the season where we ended up 3 points shy of 4th place having dropped to 13th in December) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 24 November, 2016 Author Share Posted 24 November, 2016 I am not, hth I thought you were taking a week off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 3 away games, no goals, 2 defeats and a draw against 3 teams who I think we could have taken 6 points off. That's what happens when the manager picks negative teams - you get negative performances, hugely frustrating stuff. Sparta were championship standard but we didn't have the guile or desire to put them away. Attack was ponderous and the crossing when it came was poor. Sparta defence had all the time in the world to regroup. Finishing was blunt and midfield seemed to be rigidly stuck in a defensive mindset. Clasie was anonymous, Ward Prowse and Holjberg were ineffective, Long and JRod were blunt, Martina's crossing was poor - TBH the only player that came out of this with any credit was McQueen who continues to look a good left back. This endless passing in non threatening areas is only fine if it has some end product, ours had none. Even Fraser looked wobbly with a few flappy saves. At least we have another chance but if we do end up going through we aren't going to last long if we play away from home like we have in these 3 games. Feel sorry for the fans who have paid out to watch this stuff. Not good enough, not by a long way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 I thought you were taking a week off? better to enforce it than leaving him on bail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 I thought you were taking a week off? Yeah sorry..... off now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Had to turn over once Puel started speaking there No passion no spark and no clue - just like us on the pitch I know English is not his language but Jeezus the guy is so dull as dull as the football he gets us playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 This propoganda sideways/backwards football is cringeworthy to watch. So slow and predictable It's been that way since the first day Puel took over. The problem is that Les Reed also thinks that's how football should be played, so we're stuck with it for a while unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prickly Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Making the long trip this weekend to see the Everton game, really hoping that I see a game with a little more desire. 8 posts in 10 years, you should post more with well reasoned comments like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Toothless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 We need a 0-0 or a win to go through not that we deserve to. Puel seems to have no idea how to get a team to play at a high tempo and attack quickly. Again we had four times the passes as Sparta, twice the number of attempts on goal none of which the keeper had to save yet we were so slow to build up. Sparta virtually always had their whole team in front of the ball. VVD needs to head the ball down. All Puel has succeeded in doing is turning a decent team into negative nonsense. 8 goals in the last eleven games, 2 penalties, 1 own goal, five from play says it all. We just do not get runners from midfield or numbers into the box. Boufale needs time he is nowhere near ready for anything but a cameo, Redmond is out of his depth as a striker. The system is a busted flush we need to change the way we play, possession for the sake of it is a nonsense. Maybe go 4-2-3-1 and use Tadic on the left, Long, Rodriguez and Austin in front of Romeu and Hojbjerg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Saint Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Just leaving the ground... we just move the ball to slowly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in NZ Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Pathetic inept performance with no passion. A second-rate performance from a second-rate side. Virgil cuts a very frustrated figure. Bet he can't wait to get away. I don't blame him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 I am one of the last to bad mouth our team and hate the idiots that appear on this forum as soon as we get a bad result......but i have to admit there is no excuse for that woeful display tonight. Depressed tonight, Lukaku will be licking his lips tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whizzpop Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Is it me or has Holberg started to look drained of any confidence under Puel. He just looks like he is regressing as a player every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 The entire 2nd half was a WTF from me, no idea what they were told to do at HT. Martina is the modern day Telfer, but worse. Martina came with a pretty poor reputation from the Dutch fans who used to post on here Nevertheless he seemed to fit into the right back role reasonably well, aided no doubt by the screamer against Arsenal. However he has really regressed this season and really looks pants in recent games. Wonder if Koeman is still interested in paying £1m for him in January? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Playing both Long and Jay Rod when they are both woefully out of form is ridiculous. You could carry one of them to try and get them to play their way back into form, but playing both just guarantees no goals. Redmond is a project, has all the ability but work in progress. We need a top quality striker in Jan and allow Jay Rod to go out on loan. However, did anyone expect us to have a squad capable of sustaining a full Europa league challenge? How many teams in England could actually do that? We're not at that level yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-crinny Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Frustrating lack of intensity in that second half in particular, which has cost us. Showed at SMS that Prague aren't very good and if you go at that them they have nothing to offer. Didn't do it and lost a game we should have won very comfortably. Very disappointing as we could have taken the pressure off a lot more for the final game. Last few weeks we've gone right off the boil. Earlier in the season we were playing some nice stuff and just weren't taking many of chances - now we've become pedestrian, aren't creating many chances and the few that we do, we miss. No-one really deserves any praise tonight apart from McQueen but a couple of real concerns for me - Redmond has suddenly become awful and Jay is unfortunately done at this level for me. A few weeks back Redmond was playing well and main criticism was his final pass/finishing but now his touch has completely deserted him, and Jay, he just isn't going to get back to the level we need. If Tadic is fit for Sunday I'd start him and Boufal with Austin and drop Redmond. Sunday would be an excellent time to return to form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 What has happened to Redmond in last couple of games?? Absolutely shocking performances! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Anyone who still thinks JWP is going to come good is deluded . He's hopeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 What has happened to Redmond in last couple of games?? Absolutely shocking performances! He's just a very, very average player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adkins' Bus Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 A woeful performance. I am certain that our problem is midfield rather than up front. We play 3 defensive midfielders in every game who aren't willing to move ahead of the ball or move the ball forwards enough. We therefore struggle to bridge the gap between midfield and attack and it all falls apart before we get near the box. Romeu is the most progressive of the lot and he is meant to be the most defensive! We just aren't creating decent chances. Our system is also very reliant on good attacking full backs so playing Martina really does hinder us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Players look like they have no belief....in the system, themselves or each other....defensive, contained and predictable. For the first time in years we have no spark, nothing to keep the oppo on their toes or any kind of cohesive play. Dangers of over pruning....too many cuts in the wrong places can damage a tree for life.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Belts on everyone, we are heading down ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trout-Tickler Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 We need a 0-0 or a win to go through not that we deserve to. Puel seems to have no idea how to get a team to play at a high tempo and attack quickly. Again we had four times the passes as Sparta, twice the number of attempts on goal none of which the keeper had to save yet we were so slow to build up. Sparta virtually always had their whole team in front of the ball. VVD needs to head the ball down. All Puel has succeeded in doing is turning a decent team into negative nonsense. 8 goals in the last eleven games, 2 penalties, 1 own goal, five from play says it all. We just do not get runners from midfield or numbers into the box. Boufale needs time he is nowhere near ready for anything but a cameo, Redmond is out of his depth as a striker. The system is a busted flush we need to change the way we play, possession for the sake of it is a nonsense. Maybe go 4-2-3-1 and use Tadic on the left, Long, Rodriguez and Austin in front of Romeu and Hojbjerg. Hadn't realised that, not great at all at the moment. Agree with comments regarding keeping the ball. At present our players first thought when getting the ball is to pass sideways or backwards...so, so slow and frustrating!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Nah, he's the next England captain don't you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Last season we were probably two players short of a very good side. Now I think that we only have two players ( Romeu and VVD ) that are really worth keeping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 The midfield needs to attack a lot more. Where are really missing a #10. We are sitting back, this stops the push and always dries up opportunities for the strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Playing both Long and Jay Rod when they are both woefully out of form is ridiculous. You could carry one of them to try and get them to play their way back into form, but playing both just guarantees no goals. Redmond is a project, has all the ability but work in progress. We need a top quality striker in Jan and allow Jay Rod to go out on loan. However, did anyone expect us to have a squad capable of sustaining a full Europa league challenge? How many teams in England could actually do that? We're not at that level yet. Generally agree, but thought Long was a bright spot for the first 20 minutes or so. Second half he was anonymous but our entire team performance had dropped to previously undiscovered depths by that point! Our style of play doesn't really suit him, but I still feel Long can be an asset for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 A woeful performance. I am certain that our problem is midfield rather than up front. We play 3 defensive midfielders in every game who aren't willing to move ahead of the ball or move the ball forwards enough. We therefore struggle to bridge the gap between midfield and attack and it all falls apart before we get near the box. Romeu is the most progressive of the lot and he is meant to be the most defensive! We just aren't creating decent chances. Our system is also very reliant on good attacking full backs so playing Martina really does hinder us. Agree with this. More often then not you'll find out LW, ST and RW completely isolated when they have the ball up top. 3 CDM's really is a negative approach to the game and it's I hope gets dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 We struggle more than ever to break teams down when they come to defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 A woeful performance. I am certain that our problem is midfield rather than up front. We play 3 defensive midfielders in every game who aren't willing to move ahead of the ball or move the ball forwards enough. We therefore struggle to bridge the gap between midfield and attack and it all falls apart before we get near the box. Romeu is the most progressive of the lot and he is meant to be the most defensive! We just aren't creating decent chances. Our system is also very reliant on good attacking full backs so playing Martina really does hinder us. This is the problem. Absolutely no purpose or incisiveness from the two central midfielders. From at least one of them you need to have some energy and some forward thinking, whether that's carrying the ball or looking for forward passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 I think the midfielders have the ability to play attacking football. I think Redmond has the ability to take players on. I think Martina wants to run up the wing instead of cutting back all the time. I think Puel has told them not to. He needs to have a rethink. Its not working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 How many thousand miles have our fans got to travel until they see an away goal? Getting beyond a joke and Clueless Claude's post match interview left me even more ****ed off. Reminded me of the Midgetland away game last year. Got to end Rodriguez experiment , it's just not going to happen. Regretting buying a ticket for Arsenal away next week, that's a guaranteed defeat if ever there was one with the weakened side we are bound to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 How many thousand miles have our fans got to travel until they see an away goal? Getting beyond a joke and Clueless Claude's post match interview left me even more ****ed off. Reminded me of the Midgetland away game last year. Got to end Rodriguez experiment , it's just not going to happen. Regretting buying a ticket for Arsenal away next week, that's a guaranteed defeat if ever there was one with the weakened side we are bound to play. If he starts Rodriguez I'll cry. Full strength team please and we might just be two games from Wembley... Fat ****ing chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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