Heisenberg Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 (edited) Having a good look at the league table earlier and its interesting how quickly its taken shape this season. I have spoken a lot about football hierarchies and levels and spoken about the 3 leagues within the premier league. For me the Top 6 are on another level now - over the summer they have invested and have appointed the best managers. Yesterday proved we are definitely NOT a top 6 side Then you have the middle pack - includes us & Finally the also-rans the duffs in the pack that will try to avoid finishing bottom 3 Key for us is to win "our" league and if we do we finish 7th Current table + levels Liverpool Manchester City Chelsea Arsenal Tottenham Manchester Utd ________________________ Everton Watford Bournemouth Southampton Burnley West Brom Stoke Leicester Middlesbrough Crystal Palace West Ham _______________________ Hull Sunderland Swansea Edited 20 November, 2016 by Heisenberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 Prepare for the abuse ?? Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 Level 2 has too many members I'd drop Bompey, Burnley and Watford and Boro into the duffers group Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 20 November, 2016 Author Share Posted 20 November, 2016 Level 2 has too many members I'd drop Bompey, Burnley and Watford and Boro into the duffers group Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Burnley and Middlesbrough are duffs - I've used the colours to define Watford and Bournemouth are borderline but invested sensibly during the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 Ok colours don't show up on Tapatalk Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 okay so what is your point We will never reach "Level 1/2"? And that we'll remain level 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 I actually agree with this. 7th or 8th in Puel's first season would be really good. 9th - 13th : not bad if we progress in Europe, decent cup run etc. Below that would be a bit disappointing unless we actually won a cup! We're trying to instill a different style of play and we've got loads of matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 20 November, 2016 Author Share Posted 20 November, 2016 okay so what is your point We will never reach "Level 1/2"? For now it's about acceptance I guess, for me at least I have desperately wanted us to break the top 5 (taste the champions league etc) but realistically it's not our league and I can be fairer to the team and manager by breaking it down like this If we can win our league (finish 7th overall) I think we've done brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 I would say you're marginally ahead of Dalek, but a loooong way behind the Troll from the Tyrol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 I'm not sure he's trolling this time. We clearly won't finish top 6 and there's nothing wrong with that this season. 7th-12th more then acceptable with some decent cup runs and going far in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 I'm not sure he's trolling this time. We clearly won't finish top 6 and there's nothing wrong with that this season. 7th-12th more then acceptable with some decent cup runs and going far in Europe. I agree. The idea of there being three leagues is about right. other than the top 6 and Everton, who will never be relegated, all the rest of the clubs have to look over their shoulder every season. We have lost ground over the summer and we are in danger of slipping back in the third league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 "Our" league!! There is one league and no point pretending that the them and us is OK. It isn't. It's shiit. Better than some other countries, but still makes the league a joke. Yes, LCFC won it last year but that was a fluke rather than the norm. Personally don't care too much about the league this season. Europa it is for me. I know one leads to the other, but we are there now and need to grab the opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 20 November, 2016 Author Share Posted 20 November, 2016 "Our" league!! There is one league and no point pretending that the them and us is OK. It isn't. It's shiit. Better than some other countries, but still makes the league a joke. Yes, LCFC won it last year but that was a fluke rather than the norm. Personally don't care too much about the league this season. Europa it is for me. I know one leads to the other, but we are there now and need to grab the opportunity. Imho we won't finish top 6 again for a while - in fact I'd fancy Newcastle to finish top 6 in the premier league before us and they are not even in the premier league Win "our" league that's the best we can hope for And I agree with a few others - if (if) we have a good run in Europe I'd take finishing 2nd or 3rd in "our" league this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 Our aims are vastly different to what Bournemouth aim to achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 20 November, 2016 Author Share Posted 20 November, 2016 Our aims are vastly different to what Bournemouth aim to achieve. Imho we are now closer to AFCB than we are to Man C, Chelsea and Liverpool AFCB are unlikely to win our league, while we should expect to - but they are still in "our" league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 Imho we are now closer to AFCB than we are to Man C, Chelsea and Liverpool AFCB are unlikely to win our league, while we should expect to - but they are still in "our" league This is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 Remember last season we finished nearly 5th and only 3 points below 4th. I don't think we'll do so well this year agreed, but there's no reason why we couldn't strengthen, in the modest way we do, and have a go at that again next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 Imho we won't finish top 6 again for a while - in fact I'd fancy Newcastle to finish top 6 in the premier league before us and they are not even in the premier league Win "our" league that's the best we can hope for And I agree with a few others - if (if) we have a good run in Europe I'd take finishing 2nd or 3rd in "our" league this season Yeah but if Newcastle come up are they in our league or level one? What about Leeds if they came up? If Norwich come are are they our league or the league below? Bit lost what is the criteria for being in what league? You let a team with a 12k capacity ground in our league but put one in the bottom league with a 40k stadium? Or is it only based on one season so we decide what league you are in 10 games in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 Remember last season we finished nearly 5th and only 3 points below 4th. I don't think we'll do so well this year agreed, but there's no reason why we couldn't strengthen, in the modest way we do, and have a go at that again next season. 6th, and I do think last season was a fluke by all means. It won't happen for a while yet. We won't finish top 6 for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 (edited) I'm just gutted about how far Stoke have fallen. They were streaking away from us and on the cusp of level two (of four) last time our Master Craftsman developed a ranking system (about eight weeks ago), now they're down among the dead men with us in a newly minted "middle pack" second league thing. Feel real bad for them. :-( :-( Edited 20 November, 2016 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 20 November, 2016 Author Share Posted 20 November, 2016 I'm just gutted about how far Stoke have fallen. They were streaking away from us and on the cusp of level two (of four) last time our Master Craftsman developed a ranking system (about eight weeks ago), now they're down among the dead men with us in a newly minted "middle pack" second league thing. Feel real bad for them. These super complicated football hierarchies will be really really hard for some to understand and comprehend so don't feel bad - but 99.99% of football fans/people will grasp it, so if you have questions just ask mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 (edited) These super complicated football hierarchies will be really really hard for some to understand and comprehend so don't feel bad - but 99.99% of football fans/people will grasp it, so if you have questions just ask mate Thanks for all the PMs, they really helped me understand it all. I feel like a right expert now :-) :-) :-) Edited 20 November, 2016 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectraman Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 "Our" league!! There is one league and no point pretending that the them and us is OK. It isn't. It's shiit. Better than some other countries, but still makes the league a joke. Yes, LCFC won it last year but that was a fluke rather than the norm. Personally don't care too much about the league this season. Europa it is for me. I know one leads to the other, but we are there now and need to grab the opportunity. I'm 100% with this. We're not going to be fantastic in the league, so let's concentrate on the cups/Europa. Being a fan is about having hope of winning something, so the cups it is . Sod it, why aim low, let's win this Europa league, champions league it is then . We've got to be serious in the cups etc. We ARE too good to go down, so let's go and win something. Please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 'Our league' is the Premier League - if we can't aim to win that we're aiming for mediocrity! That may not be how the owners see it you'd have to ask them, but it's what we the fans should be aspiring to however unlikely you think that it may be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 I think we'll struggle in our 'mini-league' as while Puel persists with his rotation system I think our form will continue to stutter. He needs to work out his best side and stick with it as often as possible so that they get used to one another and individual players build their confidence and performance levels. To change the team for every game is not conducive to getting the best out of what we've got. A player like Boufal will not get to grips with the pace and power of the Prem if he is in one game and out the next. Stop the tinkering unless an individual player is absolutely knackered. Continuity is what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 Well, as long as we stay out the bottom three of our league then I am happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 I think we'll struggle in our 'mini-league' as while Puel persists with his rotation system I think our form will continue to stutter. He needs to work out his best side and stick with it as often as possible so that they get used to one another and individual players build their confidence and performance levels. To change the team for every game is not conducive to getting the best out of what we've got. A player like Boufal will not get to grips with the pace and power of the Prem if he is in one game and out the next. Stop the tinkering unless an individual player is absolutely knackered. Continuity is what we need. Er, right. We're playing Saturday-Thursday-Sunday or similar most weeks now and clubs in Europe need large squads and player rotation. It's not "tinkering" It's what we have to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 If he stops 'tinkering' then every player will be knackered, and that will be another thing for a few to moan about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 I remember last season when they said "Leicester have changed everything. The Premiership has changed forever" yeah right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 Imho we won't finish top 6 again for a while - in fact I'd fancy Newcastle to finish top 6 in the premier league before us and they are not even in the premier league Win "our" league that's the best we can hope for And I agree with a few others - if (if) we have a good run in Europe I'd take finishing 2nd or 3rd in "our" league this season Sorry but you and your opinions are an irrelevance. I think NUFC would win the PL before you made any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 21 November, 2016 Share Posted 21 November, 2016 These super complicated football hierarchies will be really really hard for some to understand and comprehend so don't feel bad - but 99.99% of football fans/people will grasp it, so if you have questions just ask mate 99% of football fans or pundit experts seem to know **** all so that's reassuring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 21 November, 2016 Author Share Posted 21 November, 2016 99% of football fans or pundit experts seem to know **** all so that's reassuring. I agree it's too bad that all the people who know about football are busy driving taxicabs and cutting hair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 21 November, 2016 Share Posted 21 November, 2016 Sorry but you and your opinions are an irrelevance. I think NUFC would win the PL before you made any sense. Sorry Angelman but you grossly over value the importance of his opinions.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 23 November, 2016 Author Share Posted 23 November, 2016 Just saw that WBA won Monday.... That's us down to 5th in "our" league COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickendippers Posted 23 November, 2016 Share Posted 23 November, 2016 First H post I can remember for a while that was objective and made sense. Same as last year, we are aiming for 7th. It is just nice to play the 'big' teams and actually take the game to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 23 November, 2016 Share Posted 23 November, 2016 Imho we are now closer to AFCB than we are to Man C, Chelsea and Liverpool AFCB are unlikely to win our league, while we should expect to - but they are still in "our" league To be clear to everyone that doesn't realise he is trolling. He has decided that we have no chance of being a top 6 team...... 12 games after Leicester won the league. Why the forum mods put up with this crap from Glasgow and a number of other posters I'll never understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 23 November, 2016 Share Posted 23 November, 2016 CBA to read glasgow's nonsense, he uses sad face emojis as bullet points ffs. So I will obtusely assume that 'our' league refers to Europa. Bring it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 24 November, 2016 Author Share Posted 24 November, 2016 He decided that we have no chance of being a top 6 team...... 12 games after Leicester won the league. You honestly think we can or will finish top 6? We are just inside the top 6 in "our" league mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 You honestly think we can or will finish top 6? Depends if we're in as bad a position as last season come the turn of the year I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 24 November, 2016 Share Posted 24 November, 2016 Level 2 has too many members I'd drop Bompey, Burnley and Watford and Boro into the duffers group Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 4 December, 2016 Author Share Posted 4 December, 2016 Great result for AFCB and delighted they beat Liverpool (I hate Liverpool) Problem is it's dropped us down to 6th in our league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 4 December, 2016 Share Posted 4 December, 2016 (edited) Great result for AFCB and delighted they beat Liverpool (I hate Liverpool) Problem is it's dropped us down to 6th in our league You still on here Edited 4 December, 2016 by Winnersaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 December, 2016 Share Posted 4 December, 2016 Deserved more than 1 bite in an hour IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 4 December, 2016 Share Posted 4 December, 2016 I do feel sorry for him, I must admit. It was one of his better attempts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 4 December, 2016 Share Posted 4 December, 2016 My daughter learnt to ride a bike yesterday. A little late as she is six but a proud moment for a dad none the less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 4 December, 2016 Share Posted 4 December, 2016 I actually agree with this. 7th or 8th in Puel's first season would be really good. 9th - 13th : not bad if we progress in Europe, decent cup run etc. Below that would be a bit disappointing unless we actually won a cup! We're trying to instill a different style of play and we've got loads of matches. This. And we should aim for top six again next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 15 January, 2017 Author Share Posted 15 January, 2017 Slightly unexpected result today for Everton today Leaves us 9 points off 7th - however we have favourable fixtures coming up and 5 of our next 6 are against Sunderland, Swansea, WHU, Leicester and Watford (3 @ home) Could look alot different come mid Feb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 Slightly unexpected result today for Everton today Leaves us 9 points off 7th - however we have favourable fixtures coming up and 5 of our next 6 are against Sunderland, Swansea, WHU, Leicester and Watford (3 @ home) Could look alot different come mid Feb [ATTACH=CONFIG]2297[/ATTACH] I think after yesterday we can be certain there are no favourable fixtures, anyone can beat us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 15 January, 2017 Author Share Posted 15 January, 2017 I think after yesterday we can be certain there are no favourable fixtures, anyone can beat us. Trying to stay optimistic mate We havent lost to WHU, Watford, Swansea, Sunderland or Leicester so far this season (taken 9 points of the 5 sides) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 Trying to stay optimistic mate You're a better a better man than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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