Batman Posted 6 November, 2016 Share Posted 6 November, 2016 is that something we are seeing here? seem to be rooted in the possession based football. Even when it is clear it is not working also, we need a good striker in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 6 November, 2016 Share Posted 6 November, 2016 We need a really good striker but doubt we will get one in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 6 November, 2016 Share Posted 6 November, 2016 is that something we are seeing here? seem to be rooted in the possession based football. Even when it is clear it is not working also, we need a good striker in January. Disappointed thought this was about your poo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 6 November, 2016 Share Posted 6 November, 2016 Not much of a Plan A either it seems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 6 November, 2016 Share Posted 6 November, 2016 Bunch of ginger beers! On here this is football it happens locate your spuds chaps we March on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowulf Posted 6 November, 2016 Share Posted 6 November, 2016 We must remember how much Long contributes, works his socks off every game, would have been a big asset today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 November, 2016 Share Posted 6 November, 2016 We must remember how much Long contributes, works his socks off every game, would have been a big asset today. Agree. Long would have had a field day in the first half IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowulf Posted 6 November, 2016 Share Posted 6 November, 2016 Particularly against his old club..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 6 November, 2016 Share Posted 6 November, 2016 is that something we are seeing here? seem to be rooted in the possession based football. Even when it is clear it is not working also, we need a good striker in January. We need a really good striker but doubt we will get one in January. Not much of a Plan A either it seems All we need now is Alps for a full house of c ocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 6 November, 2016 Share Posted 6 November, 2016 (edited) All we need now is Alps for a full house of c ocks. Don't forget the c ock of coc ks, St Robbie, Edited 7 November, 2016 by ALWAYS_SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 6 November, 2016 Share Posted 6 November, 2016 We must remember how much Long contributes, works his socks off every game, would have been a big asset today. Don't think he would have done much tbh. He's very useful when we're playing on the counter and need an outlet to keep defences honest, less so when we have plenty of possession and need to make something happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowulf Posted 6 November, 2016 Share Posted 6 November, 2016 Don't think he would have done much tbh. He's very useful when we're playing on the counter and need an outlet to keep defences honest, less so when we have plenty of possession and need to make something happen. When we had so much possession, as in the first half, he would have been a threat in his best position, in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 6 November, 2016 Author Share Posted 6 November, 2016 When we had so much possession, as in the first half, he would have been a threat in his best position, in the box. when we have all that possession, we need to get the ball forward a lot more quickly than we do. To much do we pass it around the back and the middle which allows a team to get 10 men behind the ball. We have few players that run beyond the back line. Everything is to feet. Which is fine but be good to mi it up a bit like we needed to today. Hull were atrocious in the 1st half. Bit like milan away, Leicester at times etc. something to work on, that is for sure (hopefully) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 6 November, 2016 Share Posted 6 November, 2016 when we have all that possession, we need to get the ball forward a lot more quickly than we do. To much do we pass it around the back and the middle which allows a team to get 10 men behind the ball. We have few players that run beyond the back line. Everything is to feet. Which is fine but be good to mi it up a bit like we needed to today. Hull were atrocious in the 1st half. Bit like milan away, Leicester at times etc. something to work on, that is for sure (hopefully) Do still think Puel will be gone by Christmas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 6 November, 2016 Share Posted 6 November, 2016 is that something we are seeing here? seem to be rooted in the possession based football. Even when it is clear it is not working also, we need a good striker in January. Have you posted the pic yet ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 6 November, 2016 Share Posted 6 November, 2016 Have you posted the pic yet ? I hope he smacks it round his head with his hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 November, 2016 Share Posted 6 November, 2016 oh come on this is getting to be nonsense. Every manager I can remember we have people saying there is no Plan B. With the plyers we have got we have only one option ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 All we need now is Alps for a full house of c ocks. I think you are wrong. Alps is an a rsehat, so he's in a catagory all of his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 There's nothing wrong with the "plan". Dominate possession, restrict the opposition to very few shots on target and attempt to score goals is a good plan. If the players mess that up that's not a problem with the plan. We lost yesterday because we failed to convert a number of good chances, we let in one sloppy goal because people switched off from a throw-in and we let in another goal from a set piece. The whole phase of play for the first goal came from Fonte giving away a stupid foul on Mbokani which was completely unnecessary. On another day, Austin could have had a hat-trick and Clasie should have done better with his chance in the first half when he was played in. Van Dijk also hit the bar from a corner. Also worth observing that Van Dijk spent most of the last ten minutes up front, showing that we aren't afraid to get it forwards and try something different if needed. The deficiencies in our squad (lack of a genuine "box to box" midfielder, unreliability at right back and limited depth in front of goal) would manifest themselves in certain matches regardless of the "plan". Why do people over analyse everything? We lost yesterday due to individual poor execution. Not Puel's fault at all. I feel sorry for Puel because he seems to be doing a really good job and if we had invested in one or two more decent players in the summer we could really be pushing to achieve something again this season. As it is, I think we should be concentrating on the cups because the squad lacks the depth to achieve anything noteworthy in the league as well as competing in all the cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 No problem with his tactics or selection, but Puel is responsible for motivating the players, which seems to have been a problem yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 I hope he smacks it round his head with his hand Whatever floats your boat mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 Whatever floats your boat mate Actually i would prefer he smacked it around your head... Nothing to do with boat floating mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 Actually i would prefer he smacked it around your head... Nothing to do with boat floating mate It's ok mate - no judgements here You like what you like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 you cannot blame the manager for yesterday, the players were at fault. I dont think Puel coaches the 'take it easy, we can win this at walking pace' atitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 you cannot blame the manager for yesterday, the players were at fault. I dont think Puel coaches the 'take it easy, we can win this at walking pace' atitude. Puel gives the instructions and is accountable for how we play If the players were not doing as he had asked he certainly seemed very calm about it while he watched the game from his chair He also didn't make a change until the 70th minute and 2 more on 80. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 I don't see how a manager can be responsible for players not converting more than 1 of 20+ shots on goal. If we aren't creating those 20 shots then perhaps the manager would be at fault, but if someone can't convert from 10-15 yards out numerous times during a game then i don't think that's anything to do with the manager's 'plan'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 There's nothing wrong with the "plan". Dominate possession, restrict the opposition to very few shots on target and attempt to score goals is a good plan. If the players mess that up that's not a problem with the plan. We lost yesterday because we failed to convert a number of good chances, we let in one sloppy goal because people switched off from a throw-in and we let in another goal from a set piece. The whole phase of play for the first goal came from Fonte giving away a stupid foul on Mbokani which was completely unnecessary. On another day, Austin could have had a hat-trick and Clasie should have done better with his chance in the first half when he was played in. Van Dijk also hit the bar from a corner. Also worth observing that Van Dijk spent most of the last ten minutes up front, showing that we aren't afraid to get it forwards and try something different if needed. The deficiencies in our squad (lack of a genuine "box to box" midfielder, unreliability at right back and limited depth in front of goal) would manifest themselves in certain matches regardless of the "plan". Why do people over analyse everything? We lost yesterday due to individual poor execution. Not Puel's fault at all. I feel sorry for Puel because he seems to be doing a really good job and if we had invested in one or two more decent players in the summer we could really be pushing to achieve something again this season. As it is, I think we should be concentrating on the cups because the squad lacks the depth to achieve anything noteworthy in the league as well as competing in all the cups. Amen. We lost, get over it - move on. There are no easy games - we are a mid table team and have no divine right to think that we will easily roll Hull over in their own back yard. Was there really no plan A or B - or did we just have a bit of an off day - sh it happens. We will finish mid table - that's our level, have a bit of a European adventure and perhaps get to the latter stages of a cup. Enjoy FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 There's nothing wrong with the "plan". Dominate possession, restrict the opposition to very few shots on target and attempt to score goals is a good plan. If the players mess that up that's not a problem with the plan. We lost yesterday because we failed to convert a number of good chances, we let in one sloppy goal because people switched off from a throw-in and we let in another goal from a set piece. The whole phase of play for the first goal came from Fonte giving away a stupid foul on Mbokani which was completely unnecessary. On another day, Austin could have had a hat-trick and Clasie should have done better with his chance in the first half when he was played in. Van Dijk also hit the bar from a corner. Also worth observing that Van Dijk spent most of the last ten minutes up front, showing that we aren't afraid to get it forwards and try something different if needed. The deficiencies in our squad (lack of a genuine "box to box" midfielder, unreliability at right back and limited depth in front of goal) would manifest themselves in certain matches regardless of the "plan". Why do people over analyse everything? We lost yesterday due to individual poor execution. Not Puel's fault at all. I feel sorry for Puel because he seems to be doing a really good job and if we had invested in one or two more decent players in the summer we could really be pushing to achieve something again this season. As it is, I think we should be concentrating on the cups because the squad lacks the depth to achieve anything noteworthy in the league as well as competing in all the cups. Amen. We lost, get over it - move on. There are no easy games - we are a mid table team and have no divine right to think that we will easily roll Hull over in their own back yard. Was there really no plan A or B - or did we just have a bit of an off day - sh it happens. We will finish mid table - that's our level, have a bit of a European adventure and perhaps get to the latter stages of a cup. Enjoy FFS. Two very sensible and accurate posts.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-crinny Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 So if Plan A is apparently "possession based" and we need another one, what should Plan B look like then? Not wanting the ball? I think we all know that if we went direct and that didn't work out people on here would then be smashing Puel and team for losing composure, not doing what we are good at...blah blah blah. We had an off day, a stinker, as we do at least once every season against a poor side - let's hope it won't happen again. Can't disagree that another good striker in January would be terrific though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 is that something we are seeing here? seem to be rooted in the possession based football. Even when it is clear it is not working also, we need a good striker in January. We didn't need an effing Plan B, plan A murdered them for 92 of the 94 minutes. Hull were 200/1 in live odds to win that when we were 1-0 up (we were 1/5), so replay it another 199 times and we'd get at least a point every time. Your second point - more down to not having anyone putting a decent cross in than any finishing problems this time. I am reluctant to criticise Yoshida at the moment as he's been doing well but Martina needed a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 So if Plan A is apparently "possession based" and we need another one, what should Plan B look like then? Not wanting the ball? I think we all know that if we went direct and that didn't work out people on here would then be smashing Puel and team for losing composure, not doing what we are good at...blah blah blah. We had an off day, a stinker, as we do at least once every season against a poor side - let's hope it won't happen again. Can't disagree that another good striker in January would be terrific though We actually did go direct and lose our composure for around 2 minutes after their first goal... guess what happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-crinny Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 We actually did go direct and lose our composure for around 2 minutes after their first goal... guess what happened? Exactly. When we recovered and reverted to our dominant possession game but upped the tempo, we made plenty of chances to equalize. The bigger problem is our conversion - it's poor, only Austin gives you any faith that he's going to score and even he is missing more than he scores at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 It's ok mate - no judgements here You like what you like ALWAYS_SFC could learn something from your class and composure pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 As far as i can tell "Plan B" seems to be football fans code for hoofing the ball forward to a big striker or centre back that's been thrown up front for the last 20 mins of a game. The fact so many call for a "Plan B" shows how tactically naive they are, over the course of most games we (and most other premier league sides) play numerous versions of formations, with the system changing based on possession, time left, the need to press and substitutions. Personally i'd say it's been a long time (Adkins probably) since we've played with one significant "Plan", the only obvious thing we do, have done and will continue to do, is keep as much possession as possible as it means the players don't get as tired as quickly. Also i'd say generally if i hear someone spouting the line "we have no plan b" i tend to think they know very little about football and generally are unlikely to have played the game to any significant level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 There's nothing wrong with the "plan". Dominate possession, restrict the opposition to very few shots on target and attempt to score goals is a good plan. If the players mess that up that's not a problem with the plan. We lost yesterday because we failed to convert a number of good chances, we let in one sloppy goal because people switched off from a throw-in and we let in another goal from a set piece. The whole phase of play for the first goal came from Fonte giving away a stupid foul on Mbokani which was completely unnecessary. On another day, Austin could have had a hat-trick and Clasie should have done better with his chance in the first half when he was played in. Van Dijk also hit the bar from a corner. Also worth observing that Van Dijk spent most of the last ten minutes up front, showing that we aren't afraid to get it forwards and try something different if needed. The deficiencies in our squad (lack of a genuine "box to box" midfielder, unreliability at right back and limited depth in front of goal) would manifest themselves in certain matches regardless of the "plan". Why do people over analyse everything? We lost yesterday due to individual poor execution. Not Puel's fault at all. I feel sorry for Puel because he seems to be doing a really good job and if we had invested in one or two more decent players in the summer we could really be pushing to achieve something again this season. As it is, I think we should be concentrating on the cups because the squad lacks the depth to achieve anything noteworthy in the league as well as competing in all the cups. Agree, there is little wrong with the 'plan' The issue is players not going for goal. We are goal shy with not enough personal risks being taken to score by too many players. Puel is getting a lot from these players and the football is good to watch. Puel is hampered the tools he has to use and he must be thinking about how he can change certain personel. It will take a while but Puel is a very good manager and coach imo . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 After any loss Southampton FC suffers, the manager is accused of having no plan B. Was the same under Pardew, Poch and Koeman, and now clearly under Puel too. Can't remember about Adkins. Pretty funny though, reading all these no plan B posts anytime we don't get three points. Perhaps back to your "ideas for footy forum threads" book TTD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 Also i'd say generally if i hear someone spouting the line "we have no plan b" i tend to think they know very little about football and generally are unlikely to have played the game to any significant level. Well quite. It is thedelldays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 ALWAYS_SFC could learn something from your class and composure pal. Where as i doubt you will ever learn anything and just carry on with your hilarious "pal" line But to be fair to you... the ignorant cannot be taught anything...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 Batman wonder if you have a Plan B But in all seriousness we said that about Poch too and sometimes Koeman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 7 November, 2016 Author Share Posted 7 November, 2016 After any loss Southampton FC suffers, the manager is accused of having no plan B. Was the same under Pardew, Poch and Koeman, and now clearly under Puel too. Can't remember about Adkins. Pretty funny though, reading all these no plan B posts anytime we don't get three points. Perhaps back to your "ideas for footy forum threads" book TTD. I wasn't being serious. Just funny how the great and good stuck the 'no plan b" on poch but not on anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 Cheer up were only 3 points from the bottom 3, still a good run of fixtures will have us climbing back to the dizzy heights, oh wait Southpool, Everton, Palarse, ,Boro,...........yeah we will be fine...............lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 (edited) Where as i doubt you will ever learn anything and just carry on with your hilarious "pal" line But to be fair to you... the ignorant cannot be taught anything...... Don't worry: while others are jumping to conclusions, I'm not judging you. I bet you're completely normal offline. Will you be in Prague? Live and let live is my motto. Edited 7 November, 2016 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 7 November, 2016 Share Posted 7 November, 2016 Batman, plan B for you - support Chelsea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 8 November, 2016 Share Posted 8 November, 2016 Don't worry: while others are jumping to conclusions, I'm not judging you. I bet you're completely normal offline. Will you be in Prague? Live and let live is my motto. Define normal, please don`t base thE answer on yourself as everyone knows you are not even close You forgot to add "PAL" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 8 November, 2016 Share Posted 8 November, 2016 Define normal, please don`t base thE answer on yourself as everyone knows you are not even close You forgot to add "PAL" ? You do seem normal mate I'd personally like to see you promoted to a mod on here Is that something you'd be interested in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 8 November, 2016 Share Posted 8 November, 2016 You do seem normal mate I'd personally like to see you promoted to a mod on here Is that something you'd be interested in? I would love to say thet you were too but "normal" people dont have several personalities on one forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 8 November, 2016 Share Posted 8 November, 2016 (edited) Define normal, please don`t base thE answer on yourself as everyone knows you are not even close You forgot to add "PAL" ? As I say I'm not judging you. You're free to be whoever or whatever you want on this place. If that's an obsessive fifty something year old who spends his time stalking people and having a tantrum because people don't agree with them -like a cross between josef fritzl and kevin the teenager, that's your prerogative. We're all wired a bit differently, aren't we? Edited 8 November, 2016 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 8 November, 2016 Share Posted 8 November, 2016 Soon as the team loses the so called fans on here act like a bunch of wet tarts.... locate your spuds pipe down have a snickers and get behind your team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 8 November, 2016 Share Posted 8 November, 2016 (edited) As I say I'm not judging you. You're free to be whoever or whatever you want on this place. If that's an obsessive fifty something year old who spends his time stalking people and having a tantrum because people don't agree with them -like a cross between josef fritzl and kevin the teenager, that's your prerogative. We're all wired a bit differently, aren't we? You seem to be doing some good stalking of me at the moment Perogative! indeed it is as yours is to try to act all mr clever boll oxs. Wired differently yes i agree you most certainly are.. Edited 8 November, 2016 by ALWAYS_SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 8 November, 2016 Share Posted 8 November, 2016 I'm not worried about plan B, I just think plan A needs a little revamp in order to turn possession into more goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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