pluto Posted 16 November, 2016 Share Posted 16 November, 2016 This ticks NO boxes and time to move on as clearly they are some joke outfit that dont have the commercial income to improve the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 16 November, 2016 Share Posted 16 November, 2016 My incredibly un-educated & un-researched opinion is that unless a prospective purchaser is both well intentioned & completely loaded, I'm quite happy to keep going as we are. The Liebherr ownership has been utterly fantastic. Alternative view: if the Liebherr's have decided to sell then it is better for us to be sold because we operate in a league/sport where no longer investing enough money can see a quick decline. Once they make that decision (to sell) then its better for a sale to happen (obviously to the right party) because its a sign they no longer see SFC as a long term investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 16 November, 2016 Share Posted 16 November, 2016 Alternative view: if the Liebherr's have decided to sell then it is better for us to be sold because we operate in a league/sport where no longer investing enough money can see a quick decline. Once they make that decision (to sell) then its better for a sale to happen (obviously to the right party) because its a sign they no longer see SFC as a long term investment. Fair point if the owner was chucking cash at the club but I thought the general idea was that the club paid for itself so her not investing loads of money shouldn't have to much effect because KL isn't doing that anyway. As for the fans the only reason I can see anyone wanting new owners is if you think they are going to chuck a load of money, Man city style, at the club (assuming they could either work around FFP or where so rich they didn't give a rats arse about it and were prepared to take the sanctions) if not Id rather stick with the fantastic owners we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 16 November, 2016 Share Posted 16 November, 2016 I think we all would prefer to stick with our present owner but if Ms Libherr wants to sell we are going to have to grin and bear it while hoping new owners will have the resources and acumen to raise the glass ceiling. A big ask. Most clubs experience cyclical ups and downs, we have had a prolonged up in recent years, it might be time to check our seat belts are fastened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 16 November, 2016 Share Posted 16 November, 2016 I think we all would prefer to stick with our present owner but if Ms Libherr wants to sell we are going to have to grin and bear it while hoping new owners will have the resources and acumen to raise the glass ceiling. A big ask. Most clubs experience cyclical ups and downs, we have had a prolonged up in recent years, it might be time to check our seat belts are fastened. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 16 November, 2016 Share Posted 16 November, 2016 (edited) I think we all would prefer to stick with our present owner but if Ms Libherr wants to sell we are going to have to grin and bear it while hoping new owners will have the resources and acumen to raise the glass ceiling. A big ask. Most clubs experience cyclical ups and downs, we have had a prolonged up in recent years, it might be time to check our seat belts are fastened. I totally agree. If it turns out to be the start of a downward turn, it will be an extreme disappointment to have moved close enough to the glass ceiling to polish it for a better view of what lies beyond, but not break it. Edited 16 November, 2016 by Ohio Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 16 November, 2016 Share Posted 16 November, 2016 Fair point if the owner was chucking cash at the club but I thought the general idea was that the club paid for itself so her not investing loads of money shouldn't have to much effect because KL isn't doing that anyway. As for the fans the only reason I can see anyone wanting new owners is if you think they are going to chuck a load of money, Man city style, at the club (assuming they could either work around FFP or where so rich they didn't give a rats arse about it and were prepared to take the sanctions) if not Id rather stick with the fantastic owners we have. She/They have invested a hell of a lot of money, very wisely, in the infrastructure of the club to help oversee the 'rise' since they took over. We have been acknowledged to be one of the best in terms of scouting, sports science and have a great Academy and TG with top facilities. That is brilliant. But that also needs continuous investment if we want to even remain where we are now. Other medium sized clubs are wise-ing up, look at the plans teams like Everton have infrastructure wise and further up the chain the transformation of Spurs. Once people see what you have done well, they look to replicate. If you begin to lack off even for a few months, then some of your advantage can be eroded. Not saying this will happen with Saints but its pretty clear that if we want to stay a top 10 PL side then eventually you need a transfer window with more outlay than incomings and that, in the face of competition, you will need to spend across the whole club to stay ahead. If she cannot support that then maybe it is the right time to appreciate the huge amount of great work they have done and sell. Presuming she believes any buyer can offer what she cannot. (Big presumption of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoozonside10 Posted 16 November, 2016 Share Posted 16 November, 2016 FWIW, I've heard from someone close to Landers, apparently talks ongoing since Koeman was manager. Make of that what you will, few other bits and pieces which aren't very exciting but they are serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 16 November, 2016 Share Posted 16 November, 2016 Lander has acquired an asset so large that it requires restructuring, appears to be the story: "Shares in Lander Sports Development Co. have not traded since October, and the company requires the suspension to remain pending “major asset restructuring,”" I was concerned that Saints were simply too big an acquisition for this relatively small property developer, recently turned sports asset owner. Putting 2 and 2 together it sounds like something massive has gone through for them (i.e. an agreement to purchase). If this is the case I do not see it as a good thing. Hopefully I got my math wrong. I hope it's not the Chinese version of 'Micky Fialka' & Pinnacle who's buying us. Perhaps its the Chinese equivalent of Secure Retirement or whatever they were called. That worked out well didn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 17 November, 2016 Share Posted 17 November, 2016 Perhaps its the Chinese equivalent of Secure Retirement or whatever they were called. That worked out well didn't it? You are saying we are about to end up with the Oriental equivalent of He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named-Otherwise-SOGGY-Turns-Up-And-Gets-All-Uppity ??? Thanks for ruining my day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 17 November, 2016 Share Posted 17 November, 2016 What do we know about the Saints Boardroom ?? they do not leak stories unless they have a reason to do so ! This was clearly leaked by the club .......Possibly to get another preferred buyer hustling up a bit ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 17 November, 2016 Share Posted 17 November, 2016 This is an intriguing scenario. It is clear that in this world the capacity of the stadium has a big influence on the potential success of the club. Of course this is not the only factor but the expansions to Old Trafford, Anfield, and the new grounds built or being built by Man City, West Ham, and Spurs shows very clearly how important this is. With Ms Leibherr at the helm i am not convinced that this would happen, at least not in the short to medium term, and by then it will likely be too late or at least much harder to catch up. IF and its a big IF, a takeover occurs shortly by this Chinese group then I hope it is only on the basis of significant investment into the ground AND the team. If not I am inclined to accept our mid-table position and the stability of KL. Interesting few weeks ahead by the sounds of it..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 17 November, 2016 Share Posted 17 November, 2016 This is an intriguing scenario. It is clear that in this world the capacity of the stadium has a big influence on the potential success of the club. Of course this is not the only factor but the expansions to Old Trafford, Anfield, and the new grounds built or being built by Man City, West Ham, and Spurs shows very clearly how important this is. With Ms Leibherr at the helm i am not convinced that this would happen, at least not in the short to medium term, and by then it will likely be too late or at least much harder to catch up. IF and its a big IF, a takeover occurs shortly by this Chinese group then I hope it is only on the basis of significant investment into the ground AND the team. If not I am inclined to accept our mid-table position and the stability of KL. Interesting few weeks ahead by the sounds of it..... Not if you don't fill it up every week it doesn't...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 17 November, 2016 Share Posted 17 November, 2016 This is an intriguing scenario. It is clear that in this world the capacity of the stadium has a big influence on the potential success of the club. Of course this is not the only factor but the expansions to Old Trafford, Anfield, and the new grounds built or being built by Man City, West Ham, and Spurs shows very clearly how important this is. With Ms Leibherr at the helm i am not convinced that this would happen, at least not in the short to medium term, and by then it will likely be too late or at least much harder to catch up. IF and its a big IF, a takeover occurs shortly by this Chinese group then I hope it is only on the basis of significant investment into the ground AND the team. If not I am inclined to accept our mid-table position and the stability of KL. Interesting few weeks ahead by the sounds of it..... I'm more than happy to accept our mid-table position and the stability of KL if the alternative is a Chinese SISU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 17 November, 2016 Share Posted 17 November, 2016 Not if you don't fill it up every week it doesn't...... Not only this, but I'd argue that as the money from sponsorship and TV grows, income from matchday revenue becomes increasingly irrelevant. Though I suppose indirectly more fans means more investment from sponsors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 17 November, 2016 Share Posted 17 November, 2016 I can't imagine for a second that KL would sell us to anyone who would destroy Markus's legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 17 November, 2016 Share Posted 17 November, 2016 I can't imagine for a second that KL would sell us to anyone who would destroy Markus's legacy. She wouldn't! At the moment she is getting something like a 6/7% return annually on her investment which for these days is very good indeed. Unless she needs capital for another project where else will she get such a decent return? The only proviso is that profitability remains sustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 17 November, 2016 Share Posted 17 November, 2016 Not only this' date=' but I'd argue that as the money from sponsorship and TV grows, income from matchday revenue becomes increasingly irrelevant. Though I suppose indirectly more fans means more investment from sponsors.[/quote'] The fly in the ointment is that subscriptions to the Pay TV channels for Football are down this year according to several reliable reports not least because of the growth in illegal streaming of live matches but also because with few exceptions the quality of football matches is awful and turning people off. If this trend continues all season and then becomes a season on season trend then revenues from Sky, BT and others will start to dry up. These companies are exposed and taking huge gambles by assuming that fans appetites for football are insatiable. They will react quickly if things look as 'though they are going into reverse. Nobody is going to invest in new or expanded stadia with such uncertainties in the air. It may also be that some owners are beginning to get fidgety about bubbles possibly bursting and values of clubs dropping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 17 November, 2016 Share Posted 17 November, 2016 I can't imagine for a second that KL would sell us to anyone who would destroy Markus's legacy. Destroy his legacy?!? He owned the club for 13 months not 13 years.... We are a business and Kat will sell us to the highest bidder plain and simple mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints1988 Posted 17 November, 2016 Share Posted 17 November, 2016 Destroy his legacy?!? He owned the club for 13 months not 13 years.... We are a business and Kat will sell us to the highest bidder plain and simple mate Half empty type of bloke yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 18 November, 2016 Share Posted 18 November, 2016 Hmmmm! https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/18/english-premier-league-sells-china-tv-rights-for-564m-report-claims?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=200233&subid=18430495&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 18 November, 2016 Share Posted 18 November, 2016 Half empty type of bloke yeah? I don't live in this little Disney bubble like some that's all "Markus's legacy" what a pile of poo poo, guy bought us cheap and owned us for 13 months - like his daughter now he didnt live in Southampton (even the Uk) and had very little attachment to the area or club We were bought simply as a business and will be sold as such Highest bidder wins - its business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 18 November, 2016 Share Posted 18 November, 2016 I can't imagine for a second that KL would sell us to anyone who would destroy Markus's legacy. This, she would be letting Markus down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 November, 2016 Share Posted 18 November, 2016 Why the hell do people keep quoting him for god sake. Some people have him on ignore because it's obvious he is on a total wind up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 18 November, 2016 Share Posted 18 November, 2016 Why the hell do people keep quoting him for god sake. Some people have him on ignore because it's obvious he is on a total wind up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 18 November, 2016 Share Posted 18 November, 2016 I don't live in this little Disney bubble like some that's all "Markus's legacy" what a pile of poo poo, guy bought us cheap and owned us for 13 months - like his daughter now he didnt live in Southampton (even the Uk) and had very little attachment to the area or club We were bought simply as a business and will be sold as such Highest bidder wins - its business Football is smalltime to business people like the Liebherrs. The average prem teams turnover is less than that of the average tesco store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 18 November, 2016 Share Posted 18 November, 2016 She wouldn't! At the moment she is getting something like a 6/7% return annually on her investment which for these days is very good indeed. Unless she needs capital for another project where else will she get such a decent return? The only proviso is that profitability remains sustainable. Eh? Where did you get that from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 18 November, 2016 Share Posted 18 November, 2016 Football is smalltime to business people like the Liebherrs. The average prem teams turnover is less than that of the average tesco store. I think the margins are different! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-crinny Posted 18 November, 2016 Share Posted 18 November, 2016 I don't live in this little Disney bubble like some that's all "Markus's legacy" what a pile of poo poo, guy bought us cheap and owned us for 13 months - like his daughter now he didnt live in Southampton (even the Uk) and had very little attachment to the area or club We were bought simply as a business and will be sold as such Highest bidder wins - its business On this one you may well be right. But what annoys me is that when you post your endless negativity about just about everything to do with the club, it comes across as though you above all else want to be proved right. Most fans have various concerns about their club, but most don't want them to actually be realised so that they can feel important on an internet forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 November, 2016 Share Posted 18 November, 2016 I can't imagine for a second that KL would sell us to anyone who would destroy Markus's legacy. Indeed [video=youtube;lTxDK-mQaww] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 18 November, 2016 Share Posted 18 November, 2016 Destroy his legacy?!? He owned the club for 13 months not 13 years.... We are a business and Kat will sell us to the highest bidder plain and simple mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 18 November, 2016 Share Posted 18 November, 2016 This suggesting that the Chinese might be pulling out: http://we.sportscn.com/viewnews-2178900.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 18 November, 2016 Share Posted 18 November, 2016 This suggesting that the Chinese might be pulling out: http://we.sportscn.com/viewnews-2178900.html I'll take your word for it my Mandarin is a little rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 18 November, 2016 Share Posted 18 November, 2016 I'll take your word for it my Mandarin is a little rusty. The article isnt fantastic tbh. It is largely drawn from the daily echo (每日回声报) which in turn is a cut and paste from bloomberg. It notes that trading in Lander's shares has been suspended and this perhaps means Lander is abandoning its purchase of southampton. Not quite sure how one statement follows the other. But that's what it nonetheless says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portugalsaint Posted 18 November, 2016 Share Posted 18 November, 2016 If your Mandarin is a little rusty, I prefer mine in alcohol! Seriously, could this all be the "Trump effect"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 19 November, 2016 Share Posted 19 November, 2016 If your Mandarin is a little rusty, I prefer mine in alcohol! Seriously, could this all be the "Trump effect"? It could be - the Trump threats to put up the tariff shutters against Chinese exports might be the death knell of this takeover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 19 November, 2016 Share Posted 19 November, 2016 From Noah Liebherr's instagram story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 19 November, 2016 Share Posted 19 November, 2016 From Noah Liebherr's instagram story... This photo, alongside the one Noah took in Shanghai, encourages me that the Lander group will be working alongside the Liebherr's rather than taking over from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 19 November, 2016 Share Posted 19 November, 2016 So what are the alternatives if it ISN'T a takeover? Are they bringing additional investment? Expertise (if so, in what)? Access to new markets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 19 November, 2016 Share Posted 19 November, 2016 New stadium. An informed statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 19 November, 2016 Share Posted 19 November, 2016 New stadium. Tell us more? Can't see why but hey I'm all ears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 November, 2016 Share Posted 19 November, 2016 New stadium. Redevelopment in existing location or relocated elsewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 19 November, 2016 Share Posted 19 November, 2016 Redevelopment of the waterside area sounds promising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 19 November, 2016 Share Posted 19 November, 2016 New stadium. LeG with a bombshell if that's true. MLG will likely wee himself when he reads that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 19 November, 2016 Share Posted 19 November, 2016 New stadium in a different location or redevelopment of the existing one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 19 November, 2016 Share Posted 19 November, 2016 I mentioned in a post a while back how I'd heard that our next steps were growing the fan base, then looking at either expanding / developing. Aren't Lander sports something to do with stadiums? Someone on here posted something pretty close I believe. I don't think they're buying our club, but buying into it. So you've been told that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 19 November, 2016 Share Posted 19 November, 2016 I mentioned in a post a while back how I'd heard that our next steps were growing the fan base, then looking at either expanding / developing. Aren't Lander sports something to do with stadiums? Someone on here posted something pretty close I believe. I don't think they're buying our club, but buying into it. One of Lander's major investors owns Hangzhou Greentown football club and the stadium is named after it. But that's a tenuous link, so you may have heard something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 19 November, 2016 Share Posted 19 November, 2016 I would love a bigger stadium, cheaper tickets, bigger fanbase. This might sound stupid but all the top top clubs in the world do have a minimum 40k capacity, I'm talking the Portos, Benficas, Sevillas, Dortmunds, Athleticos, not to forget the top 6 perceived here. I say that if I was a prospective foreign owner I'd factor stadium capacity because biggest clubs have the biggest stadiums! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 19 November, 2016 Share Posted 19 November, 2016 I would love a bigger stadium, cheaper tickets, bigger fanbase. This might sound stupid but all the top top clubs in the world do have a minimum 40k capacity, I'm talking the Portos, Benficas, Sevillas, Dortmunds, Athleticos, not to forget the top 6 perceived here. I say that if I was a prospective foreign owner I'd factor stadium capacity because biggest clubs have the biggest stadiums! We should have stayed at The Dell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 19 November, 2016 Share Posted 19 November, 2016 I would love a bigger stadium, cheaper tickets, bigger fanbase. This might sound stupid but all the top top clubs in the world do have a minimum 40k capacity, I'm talking the Portos, Benficas, Sevillas, Dortmunds, Athleticos, not to forget the top 6 perceived here. I say that if I was a prospective foreign owner I'd factor stadium capacity because biggest clubs have the biggest stadiums! Direction of causality pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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