CB Fry Posted 4 November, 2016 Share Posted 4 November, 2016 Probably more to do with being a former manager of Inter Milan tbh. Might end up the next manager of Inter Milan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 November, 2016 Share Posted 4 November, 2016 5.9 Lower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 November, 2016 Share Posted 4 November, 2016 People actually read my posts? I'd have tried to make them more intellectual if I'd known. Whenever I read one of your posts it's like I've woken up in some kind of recurring dream world where the same things happen again and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 5 November, 2016 Share Posted 5 November, 2016 Whenever I read one of your posts it's like I've woken up in some kind of recurring dream world where the same things happen again and again. Oh the irony!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 5 November, 2016 Share Posted 5 November, 2016 Lower 5.9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 5 November, 2016 Share Posted 5 November, 2016 5.9 Higher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoot Posted 6 November, 2016 Share Posted 6 November, 2016 How can some Chinese outfit that lost £ 35M on turnover of £ 307M buy a club for £ 200M? Either the Chinese government bankrolls these deals or they have some of the most daft bankers in the world willing to lend money to any incompetent business they can find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 6 November, 2016 Share Posted 6 November, 2016 How can some Chinese outfit that lost £ 35M on turnover of £ 307M buy a club for £ 200M? Either the Chinese government bankrolls these deals or they have some of the most daft bankers in the world willing to lend money to any incompetent business they can find. Funded by the Beijing Municipal Government according to this article http://mobile.ytsports.cn/news-2452.html lander sports.png On 23rd April Lander Sports Development CO LTD announced it intends to set up a Sports and Cultural Fund with Beijing Cultural Center Construction & Development Fund Management Co Ltd. The fund size will be RMB 1 billion and will invest in global high-quality sports and cultural startups, especially those which focus on the culture industry, sports fashion and sports events operation. Lander Sports is a Hangzhou-based public company which changed its main business from property development and sales to a sports-related business and changed its name from “LANDER REAL ESTATE CO LTD” to “LANDER SPORTS DEVELOPMENT CO LTD” in July 2015. Beijing Cultural Center Construction & Development Fund Management Co Ltd, set up in August 2015, is 100 percent owned by Beijing Cultural Investment and Development Group Co Ltd. which is itself directly under the Beijing Municipal Government. On 12th April Lander Sports Development CO LTD signed a strategic agreement with the Curling Champions Tour (CCT) China GmbH Switzerland to promote winter sports in China. Source : Lander Sports Proofread by Sean O Diobhilin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 6 November, 2016 Share Posted 6 November, 2016 Our good friends at Under Armour are having their own problems with the Chinese. http://en.ytsports.cn/news-2707.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 6 November, 2016 Share Posted 6 November, 2016 (edited) Our good friends at Under Armour are having their own problems with the Chinese. http://en.ytsports.cn/news-2707.html You can see why! Edited 6 November, 2016 by Leslie Charteris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 6 November, 2016 Share Posted 6 November, 2016 I'm a little cautious about this news. I like how we are at the moment. We've made fantastic strides and it's a ride I don't want to end. You can do due-diligence, but their intentions can't always be guranteed. I love that Kat just leaves football decisions to Les etc & we just get on with it. (Props to Monk for posting about this news some time ago) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 November, 2016 Share Posted 6 November, 2016 How can some Chinese outfit that lost £ 35M on turnover of £ 307M buy a club for £ 200M? Either the Chinese government bankrolls these deals or they have some of the most daft bankers in the world willing to lend money to any incompetent business they can find. Funded by the Beijing Municipal Government according to this article http://mobile.ytsports.cn/news-2452.html lander sports.png On 23rd April Lander Sports Development CO LTD announced it intends to set up a Sports and Cultural Fund with Beijing Cultural Center Construction & Development Fund Management Co Ltd. The fund size will be RMB 1 billion and will invest in global high-quality sports and cultural startups, especially those which focus on the culture industry, sports fashion and sports events operation. Lander Sports is a Hangzhou-based public company which changed its main business from property development and sales to a sports-related business and changed its name from “LANDER REAL ESTATE CO LTD” to “LANDER SPORTS DEVELOPMENT CO LTD” in July 2015. Beijing Cultural Center Construction & Development Fund Management Co Ltd, set up in August 2015, is 100 percent owned by Beijing Cultural Investment and Development Group Co Ltd. which is itself directly under the Beijing Municipal Government. On 12th April Lander Sports Development CO LTD signed a strategic agreement with the Curling Champions Tour (CCT) China GmbH Switzerland to promote winter sports in China. Source : Lander Sports Proofread by Sean O Diobhilin 1 billion RMB = £118m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 6 November, 2016 Share Posted 6 November, 2016 Funded by the Beijing Municipal Government according to this article http://mobile.ytsports.cn/news-2452.html lander sports.png On 23rd April Lander Sports Development CO LTD announced it intends to set up a Sports and Cultural Fund with Beijing Cultural Center Construction & Development Fund Management Co Ltd. The fund size will be RMB 1 billion and will invest in global high-quality sports and cultural startups, especially those which focus on the culture industry, sports fashion and sports events operation. Lander Sports is a Hangzhou-based public company which changed its main business from property development and sales to a sports-related business and changed its name from “LANDER REAL ESTATE CO LTD” to “LANDER SPORTS DEVELOPMENT CO LTD” in July 2015. Beijing Cultural Center Construction & Development Fund Management Co Ltd, set up in August 2015, is 100 percent owned by Beijing Cultural Investment and Development Group Co Ltd. which is itself directly under the Beijing Municipal Government. On 12th April Lander Sports Development CO LTD signed a strategic agreement with the Curling Champions Tour (CCT) China GmbH Switzerland to promote winter sports in China. Source : Lander Sports Proofread by Sean O Diobhilin RMB 1bn isn't that much and pales in significance compared to their other funding sources. They're cited elsewhere on the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 6 November, 2016 Share Posted 6 November, 2016 Big face palm to all those giving it "NO WAY and "NOT WELCOME" our continual improvement since 2009 means this is inevitable, we can't go any further without big big money, yes that perhaps brings with it an amount of risk, but it may also project Southampton Football Club onto the world stage and make us real big hitters in world football......I swear some people on here would rather we were a small "fan owned" club in division four. God how long have I been saying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manina-pub Posted 10 November, 2016 Share Posted 10 November, 2016 No news is good news ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 10 November, 2016 Share Posted 10 November, 2016 No news is good news ??? Isn't there a 6 week period of exclusivity? So I guess both sides are doing due-diligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 10 November, 2016 Share Posted 10 November, 2016 I dont see anything from this mush that helps SFC, its all about 'china' and i couldnt give a toss about them. Find someone that will actually move the club forward and that requires built in commercial revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 11 November, 2016 Share Posted 11 November, 2016 Ms Jingna GAO became director of Lander Sports Investments (UK) Ltd yesterday. Source: Companies House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 11 November, 2016 Share Posted 11 November, 2016 Ms Jingna GAO became director of Lander Sports Investments (UK) Ltd yesterday. Source: Companies House She's the daughter of the founder and part owner of Lander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lickierambert Posted 11 November, 2016 Share Posted 11 November, 2016 1 billion RMB = £118m Well they certainly aren't buying the whole club with that fund! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 11 November, 2016 Share Posted 11 November, 2016 Well they certainly aren't buying the whole club with that fund! The entire Lander company is valued at only half of Kat's estimated personal wealth, and as they are running at a loss, they would have to borrow heavily to raise the funds to buy the club. It looks very much like a Chinese equivalent of SISU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 11 November, 2016 Share Posted 11 November, 2016 The entire Lander company is valued at only half of Kat's estimated personal wealth, and as they are running at a loss, they would have to borrow heavily to raise the funds to buy the club. It looks very much like a Chinese equivalent of SISU. They've attracted over £5bn in private equity funding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 11 November, 2016 Share Posted 11 November, 2016 The entire Lander company is valued at only half of Kat's estimated personal wealth, and as they are running at a loss, they would have to borrow heavily to raise the funds to buy the club. It looks very much like a Chinese equivalent of SISU. They've attracted over £5bn in private equity funding. Holy moly - I won't post my Ken Dulieu pics just yet then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 11 November, 2016 Share Posted 11 November, 2016 They've attracted over £5bn in private equity funding. Does anyone know how? I wonder what the interest rate and the repayment structure are like! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 11 November, 2016 Share Posted 11 November, 2016 Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 11 November, 2016 Share Posted 11 November, 2016 Does anyone know how? I wonder what the interest rate and the repayment structure are like! The clue is in the word "equity" (if that is what it is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 11 November, 2016 Share Posted 11 November, 2016 Who was that photocopier sales guy who was going to buy us before Sir Markus did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 11 November, 2016 Share Posted 11 November, 2016 Who was that photocopier sales guy who was going to buy us before Sir Markus did? Michael Fialka? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 11 November, 2016 Share Posted 11 November, 2016 Who was that photocopier sales guy who was going to buy us before Sir Markus did? Marc Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 11 November, 2016 Share Posted 11 November, 2016 Marc Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 11 November, 2016 Share Posted 11 November, 2016 https://www.linkedin.com/in/marc-jackson-4671686 Specialties: Complex distressed takeovers of Football clubs or management delivery of high level transition teams into distressed companies. Beyond parody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchie Crouchie Posted 11 November, 2016 Share Posted 11 November, 2016 Monkeychickenpettingzoo.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 11 November, 2016 Share Posted 11 November, 2016 Marc Jackson Wasn't he tied up with the Barry the Briefcase 'consortium' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 11 November, 2016 Share Posted 11 November, 2016 Oh the memories! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 November, 2016 Share Posted 11 November, 2016 https://www.linkedin.com/in/marc-jackson-4671686 Specialties: Complex distressed takeovers of Football clubs or management delivery of high level transition teams into distressed companies. Beyond parody. There is one lie on there already, he claims in 1996 he was working at centreprise, he wasn't, he was a photocopier salesman for a company in hedge end. I know this because I was also working there. IIRC he joined from another photocopier company in bornemouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 11 November, 2016 Share Posted 11 November, 2016 Wasn't he tied up with the Barry the Briefcase 'consortium' ? Barry Beardall wasn't it? The early takeovers, the statue, Amygate, all those golden threads lost forever, what a shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 12 November, 2016 Share Posted 12 November, 2016 Where's that priceless videos link of him being interviewed in connection with the Bournemouth takeover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 12 November, 2016 Share Posted 12 November, 2016 Monkeychickenpettingzoo.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 12 November, 2016 Share Posted 12 November, 2016 (edited) Where's that priceless videos link of him being interviewed in connection with the Bournemouth takeover? I remember that! Ha ha! No video, but here's the Echo article in it: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/2182176.Saints_fan_completes_Bournemouth_takeover/ Edited 12 November, 2016 by SuperSAINT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 12 November, 2016 Share Posted 12 November, 2016 There is one lie on there already, he claims in 1996 he was working at centreprise, he wasn't, he was a photocopier salesman for a company in hedge end. I know this because I was also working there. IIRC he joined from another photocopier company in bornemouth. He isn't a director of IBASE either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonicBoom Posted 12 November, 2016 Share Posted 12 November, 2016 Two problems with the Chinese bid that I can see. Someone mentioned earlier that Saints need big money to advance. This lot don't seem to have big money. In fact they have less than Kat and we would be their biggest asset. With Kat we were one of the smallest. Secondly from what I've read it's been more about what we could do for them in terms of profile etc rather than what they could do for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 November, 2016 Share Posted 16 November, 2016 New article about it on Bloomberg... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-16/chinese-suitor-for-english-soccer-club-in-major-restructuring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 16 November, 2016 Share Posted 16 November, 2016 New article about it on Bloomberg... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-16/chinese-suitor-for-english-soccer-club-in-major-restructuring I still have no idea if this is a good thing or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 16 November, 2016 Share Posted 16 November, 2016 (edited) New article about it on Bloomberg... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-16/chinese-suitor-for-english-soccer-club-in-major-restructuring So, other than Bloomberg noting the suspension of Lander shares, they have nothing to report due to the club and Katrina, quite rightly in a period of exclusivity, not responding to their calls. It is hard to see any benefit for a company as small as Lander spending all their money buying a club, then investing rather than asset stripping.... Edited 16 November, 2016 by Kingsland Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 16 November, 2016 Share Posted 16 November, 2016 New article about it on Bloomberg... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-16/chinese-suitor-for-english-soccer-club-in-major-restructuring The reporter of that article tweeted the following: tariq panja @tariqpanja Lander, the Chinese co. keen to buy Southampton, has requested its shares remain suspended because of possibility of a "major" acquisition tariq panja @tariqpanja In its statement, Lander didn't name what it's acquisition targets were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Albert Posted 16 November, 2016 Share Posted 16 November, 2016 Lander has acquired an asset so large that it requires restructuring, appears to be the story: "Shares in Lander Sports Development Co. have not traded since October, and the company requires the suspension to remain pending “major asset restructuring,”" I was concerned that Saints were simply too big an acquisition for this relatively small property developer, recently turned sports asset owner. Putting 2 and 2 together it sounds like something massive has gone through for them (i.e. an agreement to purchase). If this is the case I do not see it as a good thing. Hopefully I got my math wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 16 November, 2016 Share Posted 16 November, 2016 New article about it on Bloomberg... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-16/chinese-suitor-for-english-soccer-club-in-major-restructuring As pointed out earlier on the thread, their shares were first suspended in October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 16 November, 2016 Share Posted 16 November, 2016 Lander has acquired an asset so large that it requires restructuring, appears to be the story: "Shares in Lander Sports Development Co. have not traded since October, and the company requires the suspension to remain pending “major asset restructuring,”" I was concerned that Saints were simply too big an acquisition for this relatively small property developer, recently turned sports asset owner. Putting 2 and 2 together it sounds like something massive has gone through for them (i.e. an agreement to purchase). If this is the case I do not see it as a good thing. Hopefully I got my math wrong. I hope it's not the Chinese version of 'Micky Fialka' & Pinnacle who's buying us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 16 November, 2016 Share Posted 16 November, 2016 Just going on my gut feel, but something doesn't feel 'right' about this (if indeed there is actually something of this ilk happening) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 16 November, 2016 Share Posted 16 November, 2016 Just going on my gut feel, but something doesn't feel 'right' about this (if indeed there is actually something of this ilk happening) My incredibly un-educated & un-researched opinion is that unless a prospective purchaser is both well intentioned & completely loaded, I'm quite happy to keep going as we are. The Liebherr ownership has been utterly fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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