Rumours of takeover/investment interest

[Wade Garrett]

Just listening to Sky Sports about the latest Chinese bid to sign Diego Costa from Chelsea, rumoured £80m transfer fee and £30m pa in wages so that makes £200m cost over 4 years.

 

Would it make sense for the Chinese to invest in a Premier League team recognised for developing young talent to become a feeder club for the Chinese market? Could it be that our business model will continue but we'll sell to the Chinese market to make money which will leave the club? or invested to make us stronger in the Premier League?

 

Totally unrelated, of course, to Chelsea dropping him this weekend in a row over his fitness.....

[hackedoff]

The Chinese can't buy history and culture.

I think you are confusing them with Americans.

[Katalinic]

It may not be popular, but old Rupes only had the best of intentions for the club. Maybe unorthodox but not like Orange Ken. A bullet dodged.

 

Lowe's best intentions were reserved for his ego and share dividends - I can't recall seeing him at SMS recently so his love for the club is perhaps greatly exaggerated. Granted at least he achieved something with the stadium, unlike Orange Ken who was at best a chancer and at worst a money grabbing cvnt.

[Katalinic]

The Chinese can't buy history and culture.

 

What about that bloody great wall they built and the terracotta army? As another poster said, its the Americans who can't buy that stuff

[Roger]

It may not be popular, but old Rupes only had the best of intentions for the club. Maybe unorthodox but not like Orange Ken. A bullet dodged.

 

No he didn't he coukdnt give a monkies. Worse thing ever to happen to club.

[adrian lord]

I think you are confusing them with Americans.

 

I meant football history and culture...

[DuncanRG]

The Chinese can't buy history and culture.

 

Nope, but they can make it. Give it 100 years.

[Pass the Dutchie]

The Chinese can't buy history and culture.

 

RB Leipzig showing again in Germany this season you don't really need the history and culture.

Edited 13 January, 2017 by Pass the Dutchie
Kingsland Red is right, of course. I knew this!

[adrian lord]

RB Salzburg showing again in Germany this season you don't really need the history and culture.

 

Yes but RB Salzburg are embedded in a long standing European league and footballing nation.

 

The Americans after all these years, can only still attract big names in the twilight of their careers.

[Kingsland Red]

Think you'll find (RB) Leipzig is in Germany, (RB) Salzburg in Austria

[Gorgiesaint]

RB Leipzig can't buy history either, but they can buy the Bundesliga. I think you'll find why they're hated more than other team in Germany.

[Secret Site Agent]

The Chinese can't buy history and culture.

 

yeh, your right.

 

Their 2300 years of history and culture is nothing compared to our 1200.

 

Or the Americans 230 years.

[Patrick Bateman]

I meant football history and culture...

 

F**k it, who cares. If you're paying me £100k a day to play in some duff provincial Chinese team to win the Ssanyong Musso Chinese Football Association Cup ... I'm in. Football history my arse.

[adrian lord]

yeh, your right.

 

Their 2300 years of history and culture is nothing compared to our 1200.

 

Or the Americans 230 years.

 

Footballing history and culture. Read the thread, smart arse.

 

 

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[cellone]

Footballing history and culture. Read the thread, smart arse.

 

 

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Neither did Brazil.

[Horley CTFC Saint]

The Chinese can't buy history and culture.

 

They'll probably throw it like Nicola Cortese!!!

[CB Fry]

Neither did Brazil.

Eh? Football in Brazil started at around the same time as League football in England was getting going.

 

It's not like there had been 80 odd years of world cup tournaments and decades of established football traditions and culture before Brazil suddenly joined in.

 

Other than that, great comparison.

[Dalek2003]

Lowe did a good job for saints all in all (with hindsight and on balance).

 

He got us the ground - without which we would never have been taken over as an "attractive investment". He also pumped money into and really established the academy into the force it is today. He also secured us european football.

 

It all went wrong in the end and the fall out wasn't nice... but he wasn't that bad a chairman in truth. Especially when you consider what else we could have had.

 

The turning point was the disastrous appointment of Sturrock. Had Lowe been allowed to appoint Hoddle in 2004 SFC would have continued its unbroken run in the top league, probably to today. Imagine it !

[beatlesaint]

Lowe did a good job for saints all in all (with hindsight and on balance).

 

He got us the ground - without which we would never have been taken over as an "attractive investment". He also pumped money into and really established the academy into the force it is today. He also secured us european football.

 

It all went wrong in the end and the fall out wasn't nice... but he wasn't that bad a chairman in truth. Especially when you consider what else we could have had.

 

Ok if thats what you want to believe

[Roger]

Ok if thats what you want to believe

 

Lowe didn't put a penny into saints and took out millions in wages. He ruined stoneham as he didn't have enough money and he wanted more retail development than were in the original plans so it didn't go through. He was then in a mess and the Southampton council basically helped club out with the land. He was a complete disaster. Spoke to him many times and he didn't have a clue and really didn't care less.

[aintforever]

Lowe did a good job for saints all in all (with hindsight and on balance).

 

He got us the ground - without which we would never have been taken over as an "attractive investment". He also pumped money into and really established the academy into the force it is today. He also secured us european football.

 

It all went wrong in the end and the fall out wasn't nice... but he wasn't that bad a chairman in truth. Especially when you consider what else we could have had.

 

You kinda missing out the bit where he took over an established Premier League club and left it skint at the bottom of League 1.

[beatlesaint]

Lowe didn't put a penny into saints and took out millions in wages. He ruined stoneham as he didn't have enough money and he wanted more retail development than were in the original plans so it didn't go through. He was then in a mess and the Southampton council basically helped club out with the land. He was a complete disaster. Spoke to him many times and he didn't have a clue and really didn't care less.

 

I know, you are preaching to the converted, you missed out the bit about the Academy was in good shape before he arrived, just look at Le Tiss, Shearer, the Wallaces.....

[AR-10]

I don't claim to be in any way an ITK, but I have just heard from someone I trust that the deal is done, announcement imminent.

 

Kat to retain 15%

 

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Hi,

 

I've asked not sure if you saw it..or you don't want to say.

 

But all I want is a number 1-10 on how reliable this is who you heard it off?...

 

I'm not asking you to out the person...just need a number.

 

Cheers

[Miltonaggro]

Lowe didn't put a penny into saints and took out millions in wages. He ruined stoneham as he didn't have enough money and he wanted more retail development than were in the original plans so it didn't go through. He was then in a mess and the Southampton council basically helped club out with the land. He was a complete disaster. Spoke to him many times and he didn't have a clue and really didn't care less.

 

Lowe (like many who emerged in that era) was a complete chancer. He made the mistake of believing at the outset that the football business was easy, football people were impressionable oiks, and supporters were gullible idiots. Only about 25% of supporters are gullible idiots, which wasn't enough to save his reputation.

[Gemmel]

Lowe did a good job for saints all in all (with hindsight and on balance).

 

He got us the ground - without which we would never have been taken over as an "attractive investment". He also pumped money into and really established the academy into the force it is today. He also secured us european football.

 

It all went wrong in the end and the fall out wasn't nice... but he wasn't that bad a chairman in truth. Especially when you consider what else we could have had.

 

Whilst I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment - that is absolutely hilarious coming from you.

 

You spend most of your time on here slating the current set up and their lack of investment and player sales, yet the bloke who swapped a couple of retirement homes for a football club, put none of his own cash in, sold every player (Including Le Tiss) that the bigger clubs came knocking for, and actively took money out through dividends is a freaking hero :) :) .... You couldn't make it up.

 

As for the academy, I am sure that Shearer, Le Tiss and Wallace brothers might claim that was already in place, but just in case you're not convinced, take a drive to Marchwood andsee what Academy investment really looks like.

[vectraman]

Whilst I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment - that is absolutely hilarious coming from you.

 

You spend most of your time on here slating the current set up and their lack of investment and player sales, yet the bloke who swapped a couple of retirement homes for a football club, put none of his own cash in, sold every player (Including Le Tiss) that the bigger clubs came knocking for, and actively took money out through dividends is a freaking hero :) :) .... You couldn't make it up.

 

As for the academy, I am sure that Shearer, Le Tiss and Wallace brothers might claim that was already in place, but just in case you're not convinced, take a drive to Marchwood andsee what Academy investment really looks like.

 

You'll have to refresh my ageing memory - who bought Le tiss from us then? My dim old brain thought he retired ��

[Dalek2003]

Lowe (like many who emerged in that era) was a complete chancer. He made the mistake of believing at the outset that the football business was easy, football people were impressionable oiks, and supporters were gullible idiots. Only about 25% of supporters are gullible idiots, which wasn't enough to save his reputation.

 

In the end, like most middling football clubs, we ran out of luck. This was combined with a series of poor managerial appointments and a bloated squad of average players. We almost had to go down to get rid of all the deadwood before we could rebuild. In the end Markus came along and rescued us, but we were very very lucky.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

You'll have to refresh my ageing memory - who bought Le tiss from us then? My dim old brain thought he retired ��

 

Spurs, only for Le Tiss to pull the plug at the last moment I believe

[Gorgiesaint]

You'll have to refresh my ageing memory - who bought Le tiss from us then? My dim old brain thought he retired ��

 

Didn't we even turn down a blank cheque signed by the late Matthew Harding of Chelsea fame for Le Tiss?

[Lets B Avenue]

Spurs, only for Le Tiss to pull the plug at the last moment I believe

 

Can't blame Rupes for that one. That was under Askham. Although the rest of Gemmel's post was fairly accurate.

 

(Just the facts)

[saint1977]

Didn't we even turn down a blank cheque signed by the late Matthew Harding of Chelsea fame for Le Tiss?

 

IIRC it was before that - Branfoot wanted to swap MLT for Robert Fleck (their misfit big money striker from Norwich) plus a cash adjustment to Chelsea (if you can believe that!).

[OldNick]

Whilst I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment - that is absolutely hilarious coming from you.

 

You spend most of your time on here slating the current set up and their lack of investment and player sales, yet the bloke who swapped a couple of retirement homes for a football club, put none of his own cash in, sold every player (Including Le Tiss) that the bigger clubs came knocking for, and actively took money out through dividends is a freaking hero :) :) .... You couldn't make it up.

 

As for the academy, I am sure that Shearer, Le Tiss and Wallace brothers might claim that was already in place, but just in case you're not convinced, take a drive to Marchwood andsee what Academy investment really looks like.

conversely if Lowe hadn't appeared on the back of a motorbike we would have been left with Askham and cronies who kept Branfoot. I doubt there was another person around who would have got involved. There is no way of telling what would have happened, RL has been part of the rich tapestry of our club

[Gemmel]

Can't blame Rupes for that one. That was under Askham. Although the rest of Gemmel's post was fairly accurate.

 

(Just the facts)

 

Can I pretend that I was referring to the Chelsea approach that we accepted and that Le Tiss declined

[Lets B Avenue]

Can I pretend that I was referring to the Chelsea approach that we accepted and that Le Tiss declined

 

Just the facts, please.

[Shroppie]

Hi,

 

I've asked not sure if you saw it..or you don't want to say.

 

But all I want is a number 1-10 on how reliable this is who you heard it off?...

 

I'm not asking you to out the person...just need a number.

 

Cheers

Why on earth are you trying to quantify the validity of a rumour, except to decide whether you're going to pretend, as usual, that you knew something too

 

I've no idea if this will prove to be true. I repeat what I said originally: it was passed on to me by someone who could have a source (outside the club) and doesn't normally deal in spreading rubbish.

 

But I could be wrong to give him credibility, he could be mistaken or his source may be wrong. It's just stupid to suggest quantifying the probability of any of those. Only time will tell.

 

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[shurlock]

Why on earth are you trying to quantify the validity of a rumour, except to decide whether you're going to pretend, as usual, that you knew something too

 

I've no idea if this will prove to be true. I repeat what I said originally: it was passed on to me by someone who could have a source (outside the club) and doesn't normally deal in spreading rubbish.

 

But I could be wrong to give him credibility, he could be mistaken or his source may be wrong. It's just stupid to suggest quantifying the probability of any of those. Only time will tell.

 

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[cellone]

Why on earth are you trying to quantify the validity of a rumour, except to decide whether you're going to pretend, as usual, that you knew something too

 

I've no idea if this will prove to be true. I repeat what I said originally: it was passed on to me by someone who could have a source (outside the club) and doesn't normally deal in spreading rubbish.

 

But I could be wrong to give him credibility, he could be mistaken or his source may be wrong. It's just stupid to suggest quantifying the probability of any of those. Only time will tell.

 

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Is that a 6 then.

[Shroppie]

Is that a 6 then.

Whatever.

 

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[AR-10]

Why on earth are you trying to quantify the validity of a rumour, except to decide whether you're going to pretend, as usual, that you knew something too

I've no idea if this will prove to be true. I repeat what I said originally: it was passed on to me by someone who could have a source (outside the club) and doesn't normally deal in spreading rubbish.

 

But I could be wrong to give him credibility, he could be mistaken or his source may be wrong. It's just stupid to suggest quantifying the probability of any of those. Only time will tell.

 

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If I was trying to do that, asking this question would be a pretty dumb way of going about trying to actually do THAT wouldn't it

....don't you think?..

 

The amount of doubt I get.

 

I was asking because 15% is a very specific number and I **thought** the bid was about £60M BELOW what Liebherr was asking,

and I also **thought** that was flat out turned down.. so it's pretty interesting that 15% was mentioned as it would tie-in.

 

Other than that I don't know anything else about it and I'm as interested as anybody else, but for probably different reasons.

 

For all the doubters, I'm extremely close to one of the current regular first team players..read into that whatever you like.

(no I'm not his Wife or Girlfriend either)

 

Some flipping idiots on here.

[washsaint]

If I was trying to do that, asking this question would be a pretty dumb way of going about trying to actually do THAT wouldn't it

....don't you think?..

 

The amount of doubt I get.

 

I was asking because 15% is a very specific number and I **thought** the bid was about £60M BELOW what Liebherr was asking,

and I also **thought** that was flat out turned down.. so it's pretty interesting that 15% was mentioned as it would tie-in.

 

Other than that I don't know anything else about it and I'm as interested as anybody else, but for probably different reasons.

 

For all the doubters, I'm extremely close to one of the current regular first team players..read into that whatever you like.

(no I'm not his Wife or Girlfriend either)

 

Some flipping idiots on here.

 

 

I wish there was a Like button........

[skintsaint]

If I was trying to do that, asking this question would be a pretty dumb way of going about trying to actually do THAT wouldn't it

....don't you think?..

 

The amount of doubt I get.

 

I was asking because 15% is a very specific number and I **thought** the bid was about £60M BELOW what Liebherr was asking,

and I also **thought** that was flat out turned down.. so it's pretty interesting that 15% was mentioned as it would tie-in.

 

Other than that I don't know anything else about it and I'm as interested as anybody else, but for probably different reasons.

 

For all the doubters, I'm extremely close to one of the current regular first team players..read into that whatever you like.

(no I'm not his Wife or Girlfriend either)

 

Some flipping idiots on here.

 

Boyfriend?

[Convict Colony]

Sheeeeeet I wished I was that informed as an employee when the board of the company was making decisions

[Shroppie]

Sheeeeeet I wished I was that informed as an employee when the board of the company was making decisions

Indeed. I'm sure the players are being consulted on ownership and kept informed of negotiations on a daily basis.

 

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[Crab Lungs]

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL4N1F23DB

 

???

[Shroppie]

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL4N1F23DB

 

???

I'm getting "not found". Been removed?

 

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[Crab Lungs]

Basically says

 

BRIEF-Lander Sports Development to buy assets from controlling shareholder

 

 

With a PDF in Chinese... no idea what it's about tho

[Shroppie]

Basically says

 

BRIEF-Lander Sports Development to buy assets from controlling shareholder

 

 

With a PDF in Chinese... no idea what it's about tho

Ah. That was posted a few days ago - doesn't seem to refer to Saints.

 

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[trousers]

I recently noticed that on 11th November 2016, 5 days before 'Southampton Football Club Limited' took out a new charge on 16th November 2016, 'St Marys Stadium Limited' satisfied a charge dating back to the year 2000. The 'persons entitled' to the satisfied charge was 'St Marys SPV Limited' (what does SPV stand for..?). All three companies are owned by Katharina Liebherr. Does this add another piece to the 'possible takeover' jigsaw or is it just 'business as usual'?

 

The 'St Marys Stadium Limited' charge:

 

 

 

 

A reminder of the new 'Southampton Football Club Limited' charge:

 

[ErwinK1961]

I recently noticed that on 11th November 2016, 5 days before 'Southampton Football Club Limited' took out a new charge on 16th November 2016, 'St Marys Stadium Limited' satisfied a charge dating back to the year 2000. The 'persons entitled' to the satisfied charge was 'St Marys SPV Limited' (what does SPV stand for..?). All three companies are owned by Katharina Liebherr. Does this add another piece to the 'possible takeover' jigsaw or is it just 'business as usual'?

 

The 'St Marys Stadium Limited' charge:

 

 

 

 

A reminder of the new 'Southampton Football Club Limited' charge:

 

 

Specialist Purchase Vehicle

[trousers]

I recently noticed that on 11th November 2016, 5 days before 'Southampton Football Club Limited' took out a new charge on 16th November 2016, 'St Marys Stadium Limited' satisfied a charge dating back to the year 2000. The 'persons entitled' to the satisfied charge was 'St Marys SPV Limited' (what does SPV stand for..?). All three companies are owned by Katharina Liebherr. Does this add another piece to the 'possible takeover' jigsaw or is it just 'business as usual'?

 

Edit: just spotted that the new charge was actually 'created' on the 4th November, not the 16th November (that's when it was 'delivered'), so my observation should've been worded thus:

 

I recently noticed that on 11th November 2016, 7 days after 'Southampton Football Club Limited' took out a new charge on 4th November 2016, 'St Marys Stadium Limited' satisfied a charge dating back to the year 2000. The 'persons entitled' to the satisfied charge was 'St Marys SPV Limited' (what does SPV stand for..?). All three companies are owned by Katharina Liebherr. Does this add another piece to the 'possible takeover' jigsaw or is it just 'business as usual'?

 

So, could/does that mean the new loan was taken out to satisfy the original stadium charge and, if so, could that be significant in the general scheme of things?