Singapore Saint Posted 16 December, 2016 Share Posted 16 December, 2016 Thought you might like to know the latest about Chinese football: https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-bubble-warning-spending-tops-1-billion-083505240--sow.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted 16 December, 2016 Share Posted 16 December, 2016 Anyone heard anything about takeover? My friend was in hospitality for the Boro game and said there were a lot (around 7 or Chinese gents being shown around before the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petts Posted 16 December, 2016 Share Posted 16 December, 2016 (edited) Saw this coming into port earlier ?? Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk Edited 16 December, 2016 by petts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 16 December, 2016 Share Posted 16 December, 2016 I wonder if this has smoked out any competition? As much as the current business model frustrates me, the Liebherr family have been absolutely fantastic for our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shance Posted 16 December, 2016 Share Posted 16 December, 2016 Saw this coming into port earlier Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk Looks like plans for a new Portsmouth stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 16 December, 2016 Share Posted 16 December, 2016 Saw this coming into port earlier Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk Junk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 16 December, 2016 Share Posted 16 December, 2016 There was a substantial Chinese presence in the boardroom...in the directors and dignitaries area also ....during the Middlesbrough game. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 19 December, 2016 Share Posted 19 December, 2016 Heard SFC want to buy the surrounding land and extend the stadium - but in order to do this a train station must be put in place. Surely the club would want that and be happy to help fund it? Improving accessibility to the ground would be quite important? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris27687 Posted 19 December, 2016 Share Posted 19 December, 2016 Surely the club would want that and be happy to help fund it? Improving accessibility to the ground would be quite important? I would have thought the council would be keen as well - unless they really are emotionally attached to having a concrete works in prime central real estate. It's mental how that entire river front hasn't been converted to anything else - literally anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 December, 2016 Share Posted 19 December, 2016 (edited) Heard SFC want to buy the surrounding land and extend the stadium - but in order to do this a train station must be put in place. Cheers for the insight LeG. I understand the desire to have a train station in the vicinity but not sure why development of the area would be conditional on that happening. Assume its the council stipulating this condition? If so, what is their logic behind the condition? Surely its a 'nice to have' rather than essential? Any idea on what timescales the club have in mind? (roughly) Edited 19 December, 2016 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 19 December, 2016 Share Posted 19 December, 2016 Heard SFC want to buy the surrounding land and extend the stadium - but in order to do this a train station must be put in place. It's already been said they won't build a station so close to the ground due to saftety reasons !? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 December, 2016 Share Posted 19 December, 2016 It's already been said they won't build a station so close to the ground due to saftety reasons !? Maybe the new plans involve moving/rebuilding the stadium closer to the water's edge and thus further away from the current siding which may then make it a safe enough distance away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 19 December, 2016 Share Posted 19 December, 2016 The problem with a station is that the line that passes SMS is a branch line going down to the docks, with maybe the only viable place being where the marshalling yard is on Radcliffe Road. That is unless for trains coming from Soton Central, you go up to the marshalling yards, stop and reverse down the branch line. I guess that that is not beyond the whit of man, or maybe it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 19 December, 2016 Share Posted 19 December, 2016 So I'm assuming Kat would stay, but we're bringing in Chinese investors to aid with Stadium funding / development? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris27687 Posted 19 December, 2016 Share Posted 19 December, 2016 So I'm assuming Kat would stay, but we're bringing in Chinese investors to aid with Stadium funding / development? Equity release for a new ground seems like a sensible idea - would probably allow us to push the coaching stuff in Asia as well as the states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 19 December, 2016 Share Posted 19 December, 2016 Isn't the lack of train station more to do with South West Trains not wanting to staff an extra station, or put on any more trains, or change their timetables? Something typically uncooperative of one of our great train companies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 19 December, 2016 Share Posted 19 December, 2016 Equity release for a new ground seems like a sensible idea - would probably allow us to push the coaching stuff in Asia as well as the states. Yeah, I suppose my question to LeG's point is who wants to do the land purchase and re-development? The Chinese as New Owners? Or is it Kat with their help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 19 December, 2016 Share Posted 19 December, 2016 Isn't the lack of train station more to do with South West Trains not wanting to staff an extra station, or put on any more trains, or change their timetables? Something typically uncooperative of one of our great train companies? In was involved about 10-12 years ago with a rail franchise (no longer in existence) who were looking to offer an alternative service to London and beyond with a station in/around Canute Road. However there were a number of challenges including finding a site for a station, run round space for the loco and the need to run diesel engines as the line is not electrified. Understand the latter would be a problem for SW Trains for example as all their services to London use electric propulsion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 19 December, 2016 Share Posted 19 December, 2016 Do we really need to expand the stadium? Like the idea of purchasing the land surrounding as lets be honest, it's pretty sh*t, but not sure (at the moment) what the benefit of expanding the stadium would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris27687 Posted 19 December, 2016 Share Posted 19 December, 2016 Do we really need to expand the stadium? Like the idea of purchasing the land surrounding as lets be honest, it's pretty sh*t, but not sure (at the moment) what the benefit of expanding the stadium would be. The main benefit i can see is that building a bespoke stadium geared for creating a great atmosphere rather than having an identi-kit stadium makes for better live & TV viewing, it wouldn't need to be massive, but would help generate a bigger overseas following which seems to be the future of growing club revenues and therefore being more competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint01 Posted 19 December, 2016 Share Posted 19 December, 2016 Something like this? [emoji23] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 19 December, 2016 Share Posted 19 December, 2016 Do we really need to expand the stadium? Like the idea of purchasing the land surrounding as lets be honest, it's pretty sh*t, but not sure (at the moment) what the benefit of expanding the stadium would be. We would improve it of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conaero Posted 19 December, 2016 Share Posted 19 December, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 19 December, 2016 Share Posted 19 December, 2016 Worth noting that FFP doesn't come into play when clubs are investing in infrastructure, but having a bigger stadium / more income will allow us to considerably increase player wages etc. The next logical step for the club is to increase its fan base and then its stadium. Intriguing. MLG is going to LOVE this news Can anyone more informed than me explain why National Rail would object to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South City Si Posted 19 December, 2016 Share Posted 19 December, 2016 Surely we wouldn't need to have the station along the dock road towards Canutes Road necessarily as there used to be a station below where the pedestrian rail bridge is in Northam. It would mean it would delay all trains going into Central so maybe that's why they wouldn't agree to it. Also would be one way only going towards Central I assume. But a station built underneath a new Kingsland stand along the docks line would be pretty cool. Anyways, a 'Saints Square' was on the So'ton City Council Master Plan a couple years back so looks to be their forward view where the aggregates yard is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 19 December, 2016 Share Posted 19 December, 2016 The problem I would have with that river frontage, from a redevelopment point of view, is the crap view across the water to the other side, and that is hard to change due to limited access caused by the railway on that side. My dear old Mum, Gawd rest her soul, used to own one of the houses at the bottom of Bryanston Road so I knocked around there as a teenager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 December, 2016 Share Posted 19 December, 2016 (edited) Heard SFC want to buy the surrounding land and extend the stadium - but in order to do this a train station must be put in place. Council up for it, its National Rail that are the problem... Maybe I'm missing something obvious but if National Rail don't want to get involved in building a station to serve a re-developed stadium area, why would that actually stop the club purchasing the land and going ahead with the development? i.e. why would the absence of a new station be a show stopper? Edited 19 December, 2016 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 19 December, 2016 Share Posted 19 December, 2016 Maybe I'm missing something obvious but if National Rail don't want to get involved in building a station to serve a re-developed stadium area, why would that actually stop the club purchasing the land and going ahead with the development? i.e. why would the absence of a new station be a show stopper? Assume it would require planning permission ect and maybe the council will only 'buy in' if we increase accessibility to the stadium. The route to the train station can get fairly congested as it is, so imagine what it would be like if we add an additional c.10k (admittedly not all of those would be heading towards the train station). Assume if they are to add a station at the ground, they would need to redevelop the line also? Otherwise, I can't see how it would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 19 December, 2016 Share Posted 19 December, 2016 Unless a big commercial sponsorship is tied with any deal its totally pointless selling the club to anyone. The only land around St Marys to buy would be the gas holders as they are being demolished around the country as they store gas in pipes these days. There will never be any train station around st marys because its on the wrong line and simply wouldnt be financially viable. The kingsland upper tier extension could happen without any need for more land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 19 December, 2016 Share Posted 19 December, 2016 Assume it would require planning permission ect and maybe the council will only 'buy in' if we increase accessibility to the stadium. The route to the train station can get fairly congested as it is, so imagine what it would be like if we add an additional c.10k (admittedly not all of those would be heading towards the train station). Assume if they are to add a station at the ground, they would need to redevelop the line also? Otherwise, I can't see how it would work. But, do we really need a train station anyway? Once the takeover is complete, couldn't we just run a rickshaw service to the city centre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 28 December, 2016 Share Posted 28 December, 2016 West Ham turned down a £650m takeover bid from drinks company Red Bull in the summer, according to the son of co-chairman David Sullivan. (Independent) May be the news about the Chinese, were to flush out these guys as well. I am sure I seen us linked or rumoured to a Red Bull takeover on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 December, 2016 Share Posted 28 December, 2016 I am sure I seen us linked or rumoured to a Red Bull takeover on here about once a week for the last 15 years or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 28 December, 2016 Share Posted 28 December, 2016 West Ham turned down a £650m takeover bid from drinks company Red Bull in the summer, according to the son of co-chairman David Sullivan. (Independent) May be the news about the Chinese, were to flush out these guys as well. I am sure I seen us linked or rumoured to a Red Bull takeover on here £650m, that's Red Bullsh1t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 28 December, 2016 Share Posted 28 December, 2016 Pretty sure the Chinese group's period of exclusivity would have ended by now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 28 December, 2016 Share Posted 28 December, 2016 Unless a big commercial sponsorship is tied with any deal its totally pointless selling the club to anyone. The only land around St Marys to buy would be the gas holders as they are being demolished around the country as they store gas in pipes these days. There will never be any train station around st marys because its on the wrong line and simply wouldnt be financially viable. The kingsland upper tier extension could happen without any need for more land. Well there used to be one when I was a lad because I used to use it regularly - although that was days of steam engines! I am not sure why we need a station more of a stop - similar to Falmer for Brighton stadium have - just somewhere to turn the trains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 28 December, 2016 Share Posted 28 December, 2016 650 million for Westham? Even with the new stadium surely not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 28 December, 2016 Share Posted 28 December, 2016 650 million for Westham? Even with the new stadium surely not? But the stadium isnt their's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 28 December, 2016 Share Posted 28 December, 2016 I'd not seen the stuff about a train station on this thread before. Looks utterly laughable to me - what would the train station actually be for? A football stadium in use about 25 days a year is not the answer to that question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 28 December, 2016 Share Posted 28 December, 2016 I'd not seen the stuff about a train station on this thread before. Looks utterly laughable to me - what would the train station actually be for? A football stadium in use about 25 days a year is not the answer to that question. Well after the take over we will need the train station for the vast number of Chinese shoppers wanting to visit the saints shop/take the stadium tour at the St Mary's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 28 December, 2016 Share Posted 28 December, 2016 But the stadium isnt their's Yeah but they do have a right to use it and its a great promotional venue for a company like Redbull as it looks good on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 December, 2016 Share Posted 28 December, 2016 (edited) Well there used to be one when I was a lad because I used to use it regularly - although that was days of steam engines! I am not sure why we need a station more of a stop - similar to Falmer for Brighton stadium have - just somewhere to turn the trains. Wouldn't have thought there was a station between St Denys and Southampton Terminus in your lifetime, unless of course you were already up and about in the 1840s. You probably mean the old Terminus which can't be much closer than St Denys really. How far would St Denys be from SMS ,about a mile or so? Edited 28 December, 2016 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 28 December, 2016 Share Posted 28 December, 2016 I'd not seen the stuff about a train station on this thread before. Looks utterly laughable to me - what would the train station actually be for? A football stadium in use about 25 days a year is not the answer to that question. We have had threads about a railway station before, and I have posted on it before. At one point the council wanted to reinstate the docks line for passenger services, with a station behind the Kingsland (where the old Northam station was) and a station next to the old Terminus station (a site has been reserved). But operationally it would be very difficult, as the curve to to Central station has been filled in. So where would the trains go to? What would actually make much more sense would be to put a basic station on the main line just north of Northam bridge. Would have to be match days only, as SWT are really not keen on the idea as they struggle to keep to timetable normally. But regular trains and specials could use it. Unfortunately much of the site is now occupied by the train care depot. For what it's worth I can only see a review of public transport to SMS if the stadium was ever extended, which doesn't appear to be likely at the moment. And we have had lots of threads on that subject in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 28 December, 2016 Share Posted 28 December, 2016 Wouldn't have thought there was a station between St Denys and Southampton Terminus in your lifetime, unless of course you were already up and about in the 1840s. You probably mean the old Terminus which can't be much closer than St Denys really. How far would St Denys be from SMS ,about a mile or so? Northam Station closed in 1966. It was just by the gas holders and was on the line to the Terminus (not Central). http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/n/northam/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 28 December, 2016 Share Posted 28 December, 2016 Wouldn't have thought there was a station between St Denys and Southampton Terminus in your lifetime, unless of course you were already up and about in the 1840s. You probably mean the old Terminus which can't be much closer than St Denys really. How far would St Denys be from SMS ,about a mile or so? The Old Terminus is much closer than St Denys WC if you use Ocean Village as a distance guide its a straight line track less than half a mile I would say. As others have said its irrelevant and no goer anyway as why would anyone build it for such short use although it would ease the stress on the footbridge after a game which is really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 December, 2016 Share Posted 28 December, 2016 Northam Station closed in 1966. It was just by the gas holders and was on the line to the Terminus (not Central). http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/n/northam/ Thanks for the info,thought my old brain was playing tricks on me when I seemed to recollect there being some sort of stop just before Southampton Terminus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 28 December, 2016 Share Posted 28 December, 2016 I would think that a train station somewhere between St Marys and the pier would make a lot of sense in the long term because of all of the planned development at the old city depot, Ocean Village, and the pier. Having another station would ease the burden on Central and the subsequent journeys from central. A station near the cruise liners also may be of benefit. Not that like to mention the place on here but its a bit like Portsmouths two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 28 December, 2016 Share Posted 28 December, 2016 We have had threads about a railway station before, and I have posted on it before. At one point the council wanted to reinstate the docks line for passenger services, with a station behind the Kingsland (where the old Northam station was) and a station next to the old Terminus station (a site has been reserved). But operationally it would be very difficult, as the curve to to Central station has been filled in. So where would the trains go to? What would actually make much more sense would be to put a basic station on the main line just north of Northam bridge. Would have to be match days only, as SWT are really not keen on the idea as they struggle to keep to timetable normally. But regular trains and specials could use it. Unfortunately much of the site is now occupied by the train care depot. For what it's worth I can only see a review of public transport to SMS if the stadium was ever extended, which doesn't appear to be likely at the moment. And we have had lots of threads on that subject in the past. Of all the infrastructure projects for the city of Southampton that public money could be spent on, I would put a mini train station for a few hundred football fans to use 25 times a year just below a silver plated ladder from the Bargate to the Moon on the priority list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 28 December, 2016 Share Posted 28 December, 2016 Of all the infrastructure projects for the city of Southampton that public money could be spent on, I would put a mini train station for a few hundred football fans to use 25 times a year just below a silver plated ladder from the Bargate to the Moon on the priority list. Well if you were by the Bargate on Christmas week at 7pm you would have seen that a silver ladder was handy :-) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 5 January, 2017 Share Posted 5 January, 2017 Saints' Chinese takeover could still happen - despite the end of six-week exclusivity period: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/15002136.Saints__Chinese_takeover_could_still_happen___despite_the_end_of_exclusivity__period/?ref=rss (More of a speculative piece than anything else) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 5 January, 2017 Share Posted 5 January, 2017 Saints' Chinese takeover could still happen - despite the end of six-week exclusivity period: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/15002136.Saints__Chinese_takeover_could_still_happen___despite_the_end_of_exclusivity__period/?ref=rss (More of a speculative piece than anything else) Does AR-10 work for the Echo now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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