washsaint Posted 14 January, 2017 Share Posted 14 January, 2017 Whitey - nothing wrong with the tactics or performance today: bar 1 stupid mistake and a useless attacking force. We created many decent chances: Tadic should definitely have scored at least once, probably twice in the 1st half. Just like against Liverpool we are getting more people in the box now. Unfortunately our crossing is not good and we don't have anyone with presence to take advantage in the box. Pelle would have had a field day in this side. Jrod looked very sharp when he came on - the front 3 before that were terrible (Long, Tadic and Redmond) and this is where our problems lie. Just like at the beginning of the season we are playing well but don't have anyone to put the decent chances away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shance Posted 14 January, 2017 Share Posted 14 January, 2017 Absolutely true. There's no point in having another striker if we only ever play one up front. How many chances did we miss against Liverpool? That's happened several times this season including today. We need someone who can finish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 14 January, 2017 Share Posted 14 January, 2017 Any new striker will be isolated exactly like Long and Rodriguez currently are. Charlie could score alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 14 January, 2017 Share Posted 14 January, 2017 Any new striker will be isolated exactly like Long and Rodriguez currently are. Absolute crap. We need a quality goalscorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnery Posted 14 January, 2017 Share Posted 14 January, 2017 I'd prefer a different manager to sit down with him and get a striker and play a different formation, the team drawing from his energy and enthusiasm Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHow many team talks/training sessions have you watched? Can you tell us more about his lack of energy and enthusiasm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 14 January, 2017 Share Posted 14 January, 2017 (edited) Southampton have had several contacts for Gabbiadini in the very last days, still no bid though @tancredi Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited 14 January, 2017 by Give it to Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 14 January, 2017 Share Posted 14 January, 2017 How many team talks/training sessions have you watched? Can you tell us more about his lack of energy and enthusiasm? No, good point. He oozes zesty personality. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGalpin Posted 14 January, 2017 Share Posted 14 January, 2017 Charlie could score alright. Thing is 4 of his 9 goals were penalties and another one come from a corner. I'd argue although he scored goals, he didn't help our attacking play and would mess up a few good moves because of a poor pass or his lack of pace; Lambert and Pelle could get away with it because of their link-up play. If we're gonna sign a striker, I'd want someone who can score goals but not affect how we play as much as he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 January, 2017 Share Posted 14 January, 2017 Southampton have had several contacts for Gabbiadini in the very last days, still no bid though @tancredi Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk He's a well connected journalist who knows stuff but obviously he's wrong about this one because Puel is only sitting down with Les on Monday to talk about strikers so this couldn't possibly have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 14 January, 2017 Share Posted 14 January, 2017 We had 20 shots today, and its by no means the first time this season we've had plenty of chances, no team should be failing to score with twenty shots we need someone who can convert chances all this to isolated stuff is just hyperbole. You reckon we had plenty of chances today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 14 January, 2017 Share Posted 14 January, 2017 Thing is 4 of his 9 goals were penalties and another one come from a corner. I'd argue although he scored goals, he didn't help our attacking play and would mess up a few good moves because of a poor pass or his lack of pace; Lambert and Pelle could get away with it because of their link-up play. If we're gonna sign a striker, I'd want someone who can score goals but not affect how we play as much as he does. This. It's always been the case, and Austin, despite being a good player, is a downgrade on Pelle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 14 January, 2017 Share Posted 14 January, 2017 Don't remember a huge number of golden chances for us. Tadic hit two wide of the far post in the first half, but you'd have been annoyed to see Forster conceding from those angles. Good save from Sims at the end, but the initial shot from JRod probably should've been pushed further away anyway. Bit weird seeing a consensus emerge that we created loads and were only thwarted by the spurning of easier-to-score chances - not the game I watched at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 January, 2017 Share Posted 14 January, 2017 Whitey - nothing wrong with the tactics or performance today: bar 1 stupid mistake and a useless attacking force. We created many decent chances: Tadic should definitely have scored at least once, probably twice in the 1st half. Just like against Liverpool we are getting more people in the box now. Unfortunately our crossing is not good and we don't have anyone with presence to take advantage in the box. Pelle would have had a field day in this side. Jrod looked very sharp when he came on - the front 3 before that were terrible (Long, Tadic and Redmond) and this is where our problems lie. Just like at the beginning of the season we are playing well but don't have anyone to put the decent chances away. I freely admit that I haven't seen today's game yet and from what you say we seem to have been 'unlucky' again but we can't have been unlucky all season. What I have seen so far is a reluctance to load the box with attackers compared with other teams. I look forward to seeing the highlights soon. The constant rotation of players also means that we shall never build up sharpness or consistency. Why didn't J-Rod start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 14 January, 2017 Share Posted 14 January, 2017 Whitey - nothing wrong with the tactics or performance today: bar 1 stupid mistake and a useless attacking force. We created many decent chances: Tadic should definitely have scored at least once, probably twice in the 1st half. Just like against Liverpool we are getting more people in the box now. Unfortunately our crossing is not good and we don't have anyone with presence to take advantage in the box. Pelle would have had a field day in this side. Jrod looked very sharp when he came on - the front 3 before that were terrible (Long, Tadic and Redmond) and this is where our problems lie. Just like at the beginning of the season we are playing well but don't have anyone to put the decent chances away. If our crossing isn't good, why would Pelle have a field day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 One encouraging aspect today was that we did seem to be getting more players into the box than in previous league games. When we broke a midfielder, normally Ward Prowse, would support the attack and get in the box for the cross. Tadic and Redmond were also doing this far more, especially compared to the games against Spurs and West Brom when the player with the ball would be looking up to cross only to see there was no one to play the ball to. In fairness to Puel the only selection that could be questioned today was Long over Rodriguez. Davis was injured and Clause knackered after his first game back from injury on Wednesday so it made sense for Hojbjerg and Ward Prowse to start. I thought we played pretty well. Again though the lack of a half decent striker was painfully apparent. It's not just the lack of goals from Long and Rodriguez, it's their inability to consistently hold the ball up and link play which is causing problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 That last post was on the wrong thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 He's a well connected journalist who knows stuff but obviously he's wrong about this one because Puel is only sitting down with Les on Monday to talk about strikers so this couldn't possibly have happened. But all the mongs on the mongboard don't think it's occured to anyone on the board to consider adding some firepower this window. And the mongs are never wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 One encouraging aspect today was that we did seem to be getting more players into the box than in previous league games. When we broke a midfielder, normally Ward Prowse, would support the attack and get in the box for the cross. Tadic and Redmond were also doing this far more, especially compared to the games against Spurs and West Brom when the player with the ball would be looking up to cross only to see there was no one to play the ball to. In fairness to Puel the only selection that could be questioned today was Long over Rodriguez. Davis was injured and Clause knackered after his first game back from injury on Wednesday so it made sense for Hojbjerg and Ward Prowse to start. I thought we played pretty well. Again though the lack of a half decent striker was painfully apparent. It's not just the lack of goals from Long and Rodriguez, it's their inability to consistently hold the ball up and link play which is causing problems. Good to read, even if it was on the wrong thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 By the way, I think if we sign Gabbiadini we won't play him as a striker...I find that rather unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 (edited) He's a well connected journalist who knows stuff but obviously he's wrong about this one because Puel is only sitting down with Les on Monday to talk about strikers so this couldn't possibly have happened. How are those convos in your head coming on? Are you getting any answers yet? Hysterical someone your age but really funny to read. So to help someone who is clearly having issues I used the word baffled because I get a bit ****ed off this season watching us struggling with a poor squad. I don't believe we are supporting the manager enough. It's been obvious to most maybe the voices in your head too our recruiting this summer was poor. I would have hoped we had someone ready as soon as the window opened especially with a manager with all that experience of FRENCH league. Yes most transactions happen at the end but I was hoping that at least by now we had one in. What time did the voices in your head say meeting was as Claude just said he would sit down with Les and the chairman not on Monday specifically. Carry on with the acerbic comments it's funny to read. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited 15 January, 2017 by Give it to Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 How are those convos in your head coming on? Are you getting any answers yet? Hysterical someone your age but really funny to read. So to help someone who is clearly having issues I used the word baffled because I get a bit ****ed off this season watching us struggling with a poor squad. I don't believe we are supporting the manager enough. It's been obvious to most maybe the voices in your head too our recruiting this summer was poor. I would have hoped we had someone ready as soon as the window opened especially with a manager with all that experience of FRENCH league. Yes most transactions happen at the end but I was hoping that at least by now we had one in. What time did the voices in your head say meeting was as Claude just said he would sit down with Les and the chairman not on Monday specifically. Carry on with the acerbic comments it's funny to read. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Keep typing away. In the real world you actually posted this: Today is the 14th he is just going to sit down with them? Just to help you understand how it all works, tomorrow won't be the first time they sit down and talk about signing a striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 Keep typing away. In the real world you actually posted this: Just to help you understand how it all works, tomorrow won't be the first time they sit down and talk about signing a striker. Perhaps the voices will help you understand here it's the 14th it's been obvious we have been struggling for goals. As per Tancredi we still haven't put in a bid does that not baffle one of your voices a little?? Where are you getting Monday from again in the real world of your head? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 Perhaps the voices will help you understand here it's the 14th it's been obvious we have been struggling for goals. As per Tancredi we still haven't put in a bid does that not baffle one of your voices a little?? Where are you getting Monday from again in the real world of your head? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk There's two people on this forum. One of them, me, thinks the club have long had a list of striking targets, they're being monitored and we will sign one of them, but most likely in the last week of January. One of them types this into the forum Today is the 14th he is just going to sit down with them? Let's just agree you don't have a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 But why wait until the last week? Had preparations been made when it was obvious Austin's injury was serious 6 weeks ago then we could well have had some in place by now who could have scored yesterday and given us options v Liverpool. Serious question. (Sit back and wait for snide belittling comment or a reasoned debate?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 There's two people on this forum. One of them, me, thinks the club have long had a list of striking targets, they're being monitored and we will sign one of them, but most likely in the last week of January. One of them types this into the forum Let's just agree you don't have a clue.[/ Did the hysterical voice tell you it's Monday? Lets just agree you have lost it with those convos in your head are making you feel you believe that you have a clue what's happening. One thing I do agree it will be the last week and maybe one of those imaginary voices can tell you that's why I am baffled. Why Monday where did you get that from? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 Moving away from the petty squabbles, and seeking to get back to a debate, as I have referenced on a few threads I am as desperate as everyone else to see a striker, who is a proper target man, signed to help Puel. I do though have a concern that the market is limited at this time of year and there must be a risk that we get someone who "is available" rather than the right signing in the summer. A difficult balancing act, if the club really feel relegation is a threat then you prioritise now. However if that is not the case I would rather wait to the summer and sign the best player available. I can imagine the uproar on here if we don't sign a striker this month but ultimately we should judge the club at the end of August I think. Perhaps a compromise is a loan deal with an option to buy in the summer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 15 January, 2017 Author Share Posted 15 January, 2017 But why wait until the last week? Had preparations been made when it was obvious Austin's injury was serious 6 weeks ago then we could well have had some in place by now who could have scored yesterday and given us options v Liverpool. Serious question. (Sit back and wait for snide belittling comment or a reasoned debate?) I can't believe we would only just start our striker search now. That has to be Puel being coy doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 Moving away from the petty squabbles, and seeking to get back to a debate, as I have referenced on a few threads I am as desperate as everyone else to see a striker, who is a proper target man, signed to help Puel. I do though have a concern that the market is limited at this time of year and there must be a risk that we get someone who "is available" rather than the right signing in the summer. A difficult balancing act, if the club really feel relegation is a threat then you prioritise now. However if that is not the case I would rather wait to the summer and sign the best player available. I can imagine the uproar on here if we don't sign a striker this month but ultimately we should judge the club at the end of August I think. Perhaps a compromise is a loan deal with an option to buy in the summer.... Apologies.....I think we will sign someone and hopefully someone who can lead the line and be the focal point like Pelle and Austin did. It was noticeable to me how much Charlie did with the other two strikers in terms of positions and not something Jay and Long do so much to lead the attack. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 I can't believe we would only just start our striker search now. That has to be Puel being coy doesn't it? Precisely. Only the pitifully hard of thinking are "baffled" when Puel says an anodyne holding statement in a post match interview. If we don't bring someone in then I will join in the angry mob but for now I think we should let the club get on with it without the hysteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 Moving away from the petty squabbles, and seeking to get back to a debate, as I have referenced on a few threads I am as desperate as everyone else to see a striker, who is a proper target man, signed to help Puel. I do though have a concern that the market is limited at this time of year and there must be a risk that we get someone who "is available" rather than the right signing in the summer. A difficult balancing act, if the club really feel relegation is a threat then you prioritise now. However if that is not the case I would rather wait to the summer and sign the best player available. I can imagine the uproar on here if we don't sign a striker this month but ultimately we should judge the club at the end of August I think. Perhaps a compromise is a loan deal with an option to buy in the summer.... I agree January is far from ideal to be looking for players, but shouldn't we have accounted for that last summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 We aren't an easy book to read..... We might well think that we are OK with what we have and not look for a striker. Maybe we are looking for one. Who knows? Whichever it is, we do not come across as being desperate by mouthing off in the press like WHU do, so hopefully prices do not get ramped up. I guess the signing of Austin goes to prove a point - maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintroyt Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 Apologies.....I think we will sign someone and hopefully someone who can lead the line and be the focal point like Pelle and Austin did. It was noticeable to me how much Charlie did with the other two strikers in terms of positions and not something Jay and Long do so much to lead the attack. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk think we need two strikers as the system seams to be play one game out the next,absolute mess in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 Precisely. Only the pitifully hard of thinking are "baffled" when Puel says an anodyne holding statement in a post match interview. If we don't bring someone in then I will join in the angry mob but for now I think we should let the club get on with it without the hysteria. There you go again accusing everyone who does not agree with the great CB Fry as being hysterical. Would you not agree to have been more prepared in out targets following on from Austin's injury may have been a more judicious way of running a club and might have meant we had an extra striker for yesterday and the Liverpool games? Is that according to you a hysterical view? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 What is likely is that the club have prepared a list of strikers, made enquiries about the availability of a few of them and now Puel will sit down with the board to get an update on their status and discuss which he'd prefer. Once that has happened more talks between the club and agents will occur, followed hopefully by a bid. Whether we sign someone depends on a number of factors including the will of the selling club, thier valuation meeting ours, other clubs bidding for the same targets etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 Apologies.....I think we will sign someone and hopefully someone who can lead the line and be the focal point like Pelle and Austin did. It was noticeable to me how much Charlie did with the other two strikers in terms of positions and not something Jay and Long do so much to lead the attack. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I agree re the focal point. I thought Austin looked poor outside of the box when we first signed him, but then I thought his hold up play was improving during the autumn before he got injured. Lambert and Pelle gave us a great outlet ball when we were under pressure, and also provided a plan B when at home and finding it difficult to play through the lines (think games against Sunderland, West Brom and Watford) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 Precisely. Only the pitifully hard of thinking are "baffled" when Puel says an anodyne holding statement in a post match interview. If we don't bring someone in then I will join in the angry mob but for now I think we should let the club get on with it without the hysteria. The only hysteria is in your pitifully voice ridden head that cannot see the point made. Why Monday? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 I agree re the focal point. I thought Austin looked poor outside of the box when we first signed him, but then I thought his hold up play was improving during the autumn before he got injured. Lambert and Pelle gave us a great outlet ball when we were under pressure, and also provided a plan B when at home and finding it difficult to play through the lines (think games against Sunderland, West Brom and Watford) Austin was linking well with Redmond and helping him along as well I noticed how much they seem to get on. I don't know much about Gabbiadini who we seem to be interested in but there was some good quotes from a journo on Twitter on the game he played in the other night. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 That Gabbiadini's goal record isn't even good though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 Thing is 4 of his 9 goals were penalties and another one come from a corner. I'd argue although he scored goals, he didn't help our attacking play and would mess up a few good moves because of a poor pass or his lack of pace; Lambert and Pelle could get away with it because of their link-up play. If we're gonna sign a striker, I'd want someone who can score goals but not affect how we play as much as he does. True that, Charlie has some negatives as well, we need a combination of all our strikers best attributes rolled into 1 player, unfortunately I do not think we will ever get someone like that here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 Are there any guarantees that Austin will stay fit? It's not unrealistic that with age and further tread on the tires, Austin will be picking more -rather than fewer injuries and niggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 I find that rather unbelievable. It's not his best position, definitely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 Don't remember a huge number of golden chances for us. Tadic hit two wide of the far post in the first half, but you'd have been annoyed to see Forster conceding from those angles. Good save from Sims at the end, but the initial shot from JRod probably should've been pushed further away anyway. Bit weird seeing a consensus emerge that we created loads and were only thwarted by the spurning of easier-to-score chances - not the game I watched at all. Tadic should have buried the first chance IMO, Remond had a great headed chance in the first half but didn't really connect and VVD header was easier to score from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 Are there any guarantees that Austin will stay fit? It's not unrealistic that with age and further tread on the tires, Austin will be picking more -rather than fewer injuries and niggles.fair point. Very strange signing IMO. dubious injury record and possibly very high wages. Bad combination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 Tadic should have buried the first chance IMO, Remond had a great headed chance in the first half but didn't really connect and VVD header was easier to score from. Was that VVD header the one that they showed on MOTD. (Wrong thread, I know) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 Was that VVD header the one that they showed on MOTD. (Wrong thread, I know) Yes, I've noticed with VVD that he always aims towards the keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 Won't solve our immediate problems but Ben Brereton is scoring hundreds of goals for Forests youth team I am reliably informed by my brother in law and is the new big thing coming out of their own very good academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 The only hysteria is in your pitifully voice ridden head that cannot see the point made. Why Monday? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Can you change your name to Give it a rest by any chance? ****ing loon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 How is Patrcik Robrts performing at Celtic? I thought he looked a tremendous prospect at Fulham before City signed him and loaned him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue_Saint Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 Can you change your name to Give it a rest by any chance? ****ing loon. What's with the abuse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 15 January, 2017 Share Posted 15 January, 2017 Shout out to whoever mentioned Suele going to Bayern, confirmed 25mil and 5yr deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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