The9 Posted 20 June, 2017 Share Posted 20 June, 2017 (edited) Difficult decision really, he's English and homegrown which ups his value, and he often scores goals on the rare occasions when called upon, but I'm pretty sure he's not likely to be a starter any time soon. So the question really is "does the "12m cover the cost of replacing him?", which I guess is always going to be "yes" for Saints or we wouldn't sell him in the first place. Whether that replacement is a cheap signing or Gallagher/Olomola/Seager etc remains to be seen. Edited 20 June, 2017 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 20 June, 2017 Share Posted 20 June, 2017 12m is amazing money for him. Doubt v much if we will get that Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 June, 2017 Share Posted 20 June, 2017 12m is amazing money for him. Doubt v much if we will get that He's going to look like a bargain by the time the rest of the Premier League has finished slinging around the remainder of the new tv money. Everyone's got about £100m each more than they had this time last year, give or take some pre-emptive wage rises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 20 June, 2017 Share Posted 20 June, 2017 The fact that he (and his family) clearly wants out will be a factor so I guess that we will try and get the best price for someone who is less than committed to the cause ! I personally think that £12 mil or thereabouts would be quite acceptable ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 20 June, 2017 Share Posted 20 June, 2017 The bonus if he does leave is maybe his Dad will STFU moaning about us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN MY DAY Posted 20 June, 2017 Share Posted 20 June, 2017 Can never understand why Tony Pullis try's to sign strikers. Or why strikers want to sign for Tony Pullis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKsaint Posted 20 June, 2017 Share Posted 20 June, 2017 £12m to sell a proven striker in premier league? Poor bargaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 21 June, 2017 Share Posted 21 June, 2017 £12m to sell a proven striker in premier league? Poor bargaining. 12m for a striker whose confidence is shot, control is gone, and all round play not even a quarter of what it was pre injury. Amazing money Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 21 June, 2017 Share Posted 21 June, 2017 £12m to sell a proven striker in premier league? Poor bargaining. Proven three years ago (as a wide attacker - Lambert was our striker), perhaps, before his knee exploded. Since then, sadly, all he's proven is that, while an ACL rupture isn't career ending these days, that doesn't mean it can't be enormously career altering. Some players just never return to anything like their previous level. Rodriguez is one of them. If he hadn't gotten injured, we'd have sold him to Spurs for £20m a few months later. So £12-15m now, some years on from his peak, seems a decent fee. If he goes on to recapture that old Jay Rod magic and as a result looks a steal at the price WBA paid, good luck to him - it'd be thrilling to see him back to his best. But he's shown few signs of being that player again in a Saints shirt, so a fresh start surely suits everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 21 June, 2017 Share Posted 21 June, 2017 On a personal note rather than business one, I would be happy to let him go for the reasonable rate being discussed (a rate that some think too low), so that he might be able to revive his career. The human side of transfers often gets lost in the pursuit of extra millions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenilworthy Posted 21 June, 2017 Share Posted 21 June, 2017 On a personal note rather than business one, I would be happy to let him go for the reasonable rate being discussed (a rate that some think too low), so that he might be able to revive his career. The human side of transfers often gets lost in the pursuit of extra millions. I think the situation is not unlike Kevin Davies. We can beat ourselves up over how well he did for Bolton for 10 years after leaving us, but that would never have happened had he stayed. This is the opportunity for the player to reinvent himself and for Saints to get something out of it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 June, 2017 Share Posted 21 June, 2017 TBF none of our strikers looked great in last seasons system, would be keen to see how he'd perform in a more forward thinking, high pressing, system, as Poch's system fitted him down to the ground, especially gives Rickie always liked to drop into the #10 to create space for JRod, that didn't happen last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintadam Posted 21 June, 2017 Share Posted 21 June, 2017 12m for a striker whose confidence is shot, control is gone, and all round play not even a quarter of what it was pre injury. Amazing money Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Wake up grandpa and see where the market is today. You cant get anything of decent quality under 10 million. Jay-rod is not a **** player, tho obviously needs to build up confidence and fitness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4645166/West-Brom-hoping-finalise-14m-deal-Jay-Rodriguez.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4645166/West-Brom-hoping-finalise-14m-deal-Jay-Rodriguez.html Yes please. Even if he does discover his previous form (which is a massive 'if') we wont exactly have been mugged off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4645166/West-Brom-hoping-finalise-14m-deal-Jay-Rodriguez.html Would be a good deal for all involved, good luck to him. Jay needs a move and, more importantly, regular game time to see if he can get back to his form pre-injury. £14m would represent good business for Saints and pretty much pays for Jay's replacement too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 That's a good deal for us. I still feel he has something to offer and I like him as a player but its hard to see where his games will come from in a season where we have no European football. I think he needs a fresh start and I am not against Gallagher replacing him in the squad and us using the funds elsewhere in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5string Posted 27 June, 2017 Share Posted 27 June, 2017 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4645166/West-Brom-hoping-finalise-14m-deal-Jay-Rodriguez.html Would be a good move for him. Good luck to him if it goes ahead. He'll score against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 £14m would be an absolutely amazing deal for someone who's living on past pre-injury glories. invest wisely, Saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 Yes please. Even if he does discover his previous form (which is a massive 'if') we wont exactly have been mugged off. Correct - even if he has a barnstorming season (ie 10 goals) then it will be the very fact that he moved that would be a key contributory factor - his useful time with us is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKsaint Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 £14m is nothing in the today's market. Liverpool insist £30m for a defender they don't want. For RodJ, wherever you go, you need to fight for your place. No one will let you go straight into the starting squad given your injury record. Why don't you fight for your place in saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 £14m is nothing in the today's market. Liverpool insist £30m for a defender they don't want. For RodJ, wherever you go, you need to fight for your place. No one will let you go straight into the starting squad given your injury record. Why don't you fight for your place in saints? How much would you demand for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGalpin Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 £14m is nothing in the today's market. Liverpool insist £30m for a defender they don't want. For RodJ, wherever you go, you need to fight for your place. No one will let you go straight into the starting squad given your injury record. Why don't you fight for your place in saints? Perhaps he wants a change of scenery and West Bromwich is closer to his family than Southampton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 I'd snatch their arm off for £14m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 June, 2017 Share Posted 28 June, 2017 Always been a huge fan of Jay, was chuffed when we signed him. But he's lost something since those injuries. He struggled to make an impact under Koeman and similarly Puel. He may well go and score a few goals at WBA if he has a run in the side, but from where he was pre-2014 world cup, he's not getting back to that level. He'll be a decent PL player I'm sure, but we already have a couple of those in Long and Austin. It was great fun when he was in tandem with Lambert and Lallana, but that's never going to happen again. I think we're going to end up being the club who saw the best of him at this level to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Albert Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 "Sources close to the player" reporting that the £12 million sale to W.Brom is almost done. Probably his mouthy relatives: http://www.espnfc.co.uk/story/3150342/west-brom-close-to-12m-deal-to-sign-southamptons-jay-rodriguez-sources Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydie Posted 29 June, 2017 Share Posted 29 June, 2017 "Sources close to the player" reporting that the £12 million sale to W.Brom is almost done. Probably his mouthy relatives: http://www.espnfc.co.uk/story/3150342/west-brom-close-to-12m-deal-to-sign-southamptons-jay-rodriguez-sources £12mil? Deal. Would take what we paid for him at this rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 @JPercyTelegraph: #wba set to complete £12m signing of Jay Rodriguez on Sunday after agreeing fee with Southampton. Could rise to £15m after adds #saintsfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 I thought he may hang on to see if Gray was sold by Burnley thus probably securing him a move home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 Great deal if true....well done Les Reed. Blinding piece of business. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 I thought he may hang on to see if Gray was sold by Burnley thus probably securing him a move home. That occurred to me as the obvious move too, but then I remembered SRL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 I'll be sad to see him go , Will do a job for Wba and would like to see a little sell on clause added IF he can have a good couple of seasons and find his original pre injury form he could easily jump back up to a better club and 14m will look a steal ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 I'll be sad to see him go , Will do a job for Wba and would like to see a little sell on clause added IF he can have a good couple of seasons and find his original pre injury form he could easily jump back up to a better club and 14m will look a steal ! He will be 28 before pre-season ends, a couple of years and he'll be the wrong side of 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 Always been a huge fan of Jay, was chuffed when we signed him. But he's lost something since those injuries. He struggled to make an impact under Koeman and similarly Puel. He may well go and score a few goals at WBA if he has a run in the side, but from where he was pre-2014 world cup, he's not getting back to that level. He'll be a decent PL player I'm sure, but we already have a couple of those in Long and Austin. It was great fun when he was in tandem with Lambert and Lallana, but that's never going to happen again. I think we're going to end up being the club who saw the best of him at this level to be honest. Long isn't a prem player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 He will be 28 before pre-season ends, a couple of years and he'll be the wrong side of 30. Good 7 years left then judging by Defoe's contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 Long isn't a prem player he has played 10 out of his 16 senior seasons in the PL I think that qualifies as a PL player.....not a very good one granted but he is a PL player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 He will be 28 before pre-season ends, a couple of years and he'll be the wrong side of 30. Is 30 the wrong side of 30? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 Is 30 the wrong side of 30? Yes, if you have had your 30th birthday...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 I'll be sad to see him go , Will do a job for Wba and would like to see a little sell on clause added IF he can have a good couple of seasons and find his original pre injury form he could easily jump back up to a better club and 14m will look a steal ! No ****ing chance. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 On a personal note rather than business one, I would be happy to let him go for the reasonable rate being discussed (a rate that some think too low), so that he might be able to revive his career. The human side of transfers often gets lost in the pursuit of extra millions. Like. He needs to move for his own good. He won't build up his confidence and undoubted potential if he is fourth or fifth choice striker here. We don't have to demand a fee that is unlikely to be realised. But we can insist on a good sell-on clause. That could work for everyone. I wish him well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 He had his chance here last season and blew it. We've seen the best of him. I can't say I'll miss his classless relatives mouthing off on Twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 He had his chance here last season and blew it. We've seen the best of him. I can't say I'll miss his classless relatives mouthing off on Twitter. 50% first sentence, 100% second one #adioskiko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 He had his chance here last season and blew it. We've seen the best of him. I can't say I'll miss his classless relatives mouthing off on Twitter. Lets see what they have to say about the club once Jay has left.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 30 June, 2017 Share Posted 30 June, 2017 Lets see what they have to say about the club once Jay has left.. Suspect he won't mention us funding an invalid for two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 1 July, 2017 Share Posted 1 July, 2017 My memories of him will be the goal against Chelsea, this season against Bournemouth, all round performance at Fulham away. And an absolutely gutting feeling when he did his ligaments at City and missed the World Cup. Not good enough this year though so needed to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 1 July, 2017 Share Posted 1 July, 2017 Would rather we sold Long and kept Jay Rod, Jay is 2 years younger and able to play out wide or down the middle and Long is better down the middle which I think will see him struggle for playing time as Austin and Gabba will be the main strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 1 July, 2017 Share Posted 1 July, 2017 It's a shame in a way because JRod, Gabbi, Austin, Long, and Gallagher are all different kinds of striker to some degree, but five players for one position is too top heavy. To be honest, Gabbi aside, I can't really decide which 3/4 I'd want, because they all have merit/flaws/etc. However, if Jay isn't going to get prolonged game time, then he's never going to be able to back into any rhythm, and of the five, he's the one who needs it most, so 12m-15m makes sense. Still think his all round game is the strongest of all five though...or most balanced, I should say - or it was/could've been once again. Best of luck (just not against us). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 1 July, 2017 Share Posted 1 July, 2017 My memories of him will be the goal against Chelsea, this season against Bournemouth, all round performance at Fulham away. And an absolutely gutting feeling when he did his ligaments at City and missed the World Cup. Not good enough this year though so needed to go. And if he hadn't done his knee, he would most likely not have been here after the last World Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 1 July, 2017 Share Posted 1 July, 2017 Suspect he won't mention us funding an invalid for two years. Or the fact he'd have ****ed off with Lallana, Poch & the others had he not been injured Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 1 July, 2017 Share Posted 1 July, 2017 Pre-injury he was excellent and World Cup bound but let us not pretend that he wasn't going to fu_ck off with all the others at the end of that season without a backwards look. Post-injury he's been bang average at best which is a great pity for him as a player. The club stood by him through his rehab and have given him, IMHO, a more than fair crack of the whip but he's, quite simply, not been good enough. WBA have been pursuing him for ages but they also thought he was hanging on to see if he could get a move to Burnley, which clearly isn't on the happening now. Personally I hope he finds some form as I never like to see potential ruined by injury, unless it's a skate tw_at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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