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Oooh-er.

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/world-super-league-clubs-europe-8795828

 

I'm not one for saying "I told you so," but if anybody can be bothered to trawl back through my previous posts (I couldn't, and there's no reason you should) I mentioned this a couple of years ago.

 

With Chinese backing, and Murdoch keen to broadcast it, it seems almost inevitable.

 

Discuss.

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Put yourself in the shoes of one of the supporters of the clubs that are going to be part of it. Do you really want it? Arsenal mid week trip to South Africa, South America, China etc? Your club has been turned into a franchise where domestic supporters are nothing more than background noise and atmosphere for the home games. The away games can have your overseas supporters representing the club. Is that really what is wanted?? Oh you hear the argument of why shouldn't overseas supporters get this and that, but I would have thought it obvious why not.

 

And what happens to the league? This idea seems to be one that replaces the Champions League, which lets face it, is pretty damn boring. The rules put in place protecting the wealth and position of the top clubs, leads to the same teams playing each other the whole time, and far too often to boot. Overkill. I used to like watching it, and cheering on the English teams. Now I don't bother and hope they all loose as winning means they become even richer and it even harder for us to compete. But you aren't going to want to play on a Saturday, fly to Shanghai to play on Wednesday and then fly back to play the following Saturday/Sunday. If I was the PL, I would grow a pair and say to them, that fine, they can join the World League, but they would have to quit the Premier League.

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I haven't ever mentioned it before, so there's one...

 

Also, it won't happen, the world is too large to have anything other than regionalised competitions because the gaps between "global" fixtures leave a slot for others to fill the demand. I will say the Champions League is more of a draw than people might have expected in 1994, but there's still only fleeting rivalry between clubs from different nations year on year, it's too artificial a concept to fully buy into.

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Ditch international football??? I disagree that it doesn't make sense. I think it too easy to take a somewhat jaundiced view of things given the dross we are served up and have been for a decade or two.

 

UEFA, FIFA and the clubs/national leagues are engaged in a bit of a war over international football - the horrendous friendly-replacing UEFA League of Nations which starts soon is UEFA's way to defend their international slots against club football... whether the interest in international football will sustain a not-too-simple rolling league concept with some Euros qualification as the prize after the initial interest remains to be seen, but they've got to be more interesting than literally pointless friendies overall.

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I wonder if (and it is a big IF) there is a European or World Super League, whether those English clubs participating would look to play their second string/U23's in the domestic league?

 

The positioning of those competitions would explain the highly suspicious "Premier League 2" and "Premier League Cup" rebranding of the U21/U23 development league this season, not to mention the expansion into the EFL Checkatrade Trophy by Prem (and Championship) U23 teams - which supposedly was the idea of the EFL, themselves no stranger to a crappy rebrand.

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Oooh-er.

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/world-super-league-clubs-europe-8795828

 

I'm not one for saying "I told you so," but if anybody can be bothered to trawl back through my previous posts (I couldn't, and there's no reason you should) I mentioned this a couple of years ago.

 

With Chinese backing, and Murdoch keen to broadcast it, it seems almost inevitable.

 

Discuss.

 

Ridiculous idea.

 

Football already is a complete waste of natural resources by encouraging fans to fly and drive all over Europe to follow their teams, this will just create even more pollution and waste more resources.

 

I also have beef with the semi finals being played at Wembley, especially between two northern teams - why can't they use Old Trafford, Anfield, Man City's ground etc., rather than making 80,000 people waste energy to travel to London?

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Would probably give up on football when (not if) it happens. Might start supporting Bashley Town

 

Think if it happened that'd be the point I'd stop following it.

 

I can't see why that would suddenly stop people from going, I couldn't find it any more obscene than I do now, it's inevitable. Besides, it's not going to effect the likes of us, or Everton, or West Ham, just the big 6 at most. We'd suddenly be one of the biggest clubs in the English leagues, elevated from our current mid-size profile. We could even win the league [cough]

 

*although the financial meltdown as TV loses interest in the Premier League might make it a bit tightrope for a few years, we might thank Les for not busting the bank in the transfer market :p

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100%, I beat the same old drum about wanting to give up, yet somehow unsurprisingly, I keep on coming back. Personally I don't particularly like (to say the least) the nummamorous nature of football, as if they were short of a bob or two in the first place.

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I'm offsetting the money league with the trickledown of League 2 and laughing at the Skates' general incompetence at getting out of the League so far despite what should be a huge financial advantage.

 

Oh, and of course taking advantage of European football to go to a few places I probably wouldn't have otherwise (Bucharest, Arnhem, Herning, Tel Aviv and Be'er Sheva so far).

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Oooh-er.

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/world-super-league-clubs-europe-8795828

 

I'm not one for saying "I told you so," but if anybody can be bothered to trawl back through my previous posts (I couldn't, and there's no reason you should) I mentioned this a couple of years ago.

 

In chronological order... ( starting off in 2008 ) :)

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?2093-When-the-bubble-bursts&p=55886#post55886

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?4254-The-Dell-supporters-ST-Mary-s-spectators&p=94655#post94655

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?12010-Whose-the-next-in-line-for-financial-ruin&p=256764#post256764

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?14478-How-long-before-we-reclaim-our-rightful-position-above-the-Skates&p=360098#post360098

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?2093-When-the-bubble-bursts&p=405854#post405854

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?33193-Better-get-up-quick-if-we-want-to-be-in-the-PL&p=1165216#post1165216

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?36953-UEFA-and-Premier-league-arguing-again&p=1321074#post1321074

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?42146-In-our-dreams!&p=1571128#post1571128

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?45335-Soccerball-to-be-an-all-year-round-sport&p=1714454#post1714454

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?46836-Is-football-now-sterile-one-sided-and-boring&p=1785669#post1785669

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?54976-Does-there-need-to-be-a-new-European-League&p=2241073#post2241073

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?54976-Does-there-need-to-be-a-new-European-League&p=2241017#post2241017

 

:toppa:

 

p.s. whilst looking back through your posts I noticed that you once bought Darren Anderton's guinea pig. How did I miss that first time around? Respect :)

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That world super league will be fun. LA Galaxy, NYCFC and Melbourne all have salary cap regulations to abide by, how on earth will they possibly be able to compete? Their squads are Championship standard at the very, very best.

 

The whole thing is a non-starter and comes at a rather convenient time, when the new three year cycle for the Champions League needs to be agreed...

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In chronological order... ( starting off in 2008 ) :)

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?2093-When-the-bubble-bursts&p=55886#post55886

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?4254-The-Dell-supporters-ST-Mary-s-spectators&p=94655#post94655

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?12010-Whose-the-next-in-line-for-financial-ruin&p=256764#post256764

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?14478-How-long-before-we-reclaim-our-rightful-position-above-the-Skates&p=360098#post360098

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?2093-When-the-bubble-bursts&p=405854#post405854

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?33193-Better-get-up-quick-if-we-want-to-be-in-the-PL&p=1165216#post1165216

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?36953-UEFA-and-Premier-league-arguing-again&p=1321074#post1321074

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?42146-In-our-dreams!&p=1571128#post1571128

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?45335-Soccerball-to-be-an-all-year-round-sport&p=1714454#post1714454

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?46836-Is-football-now-sterile-one-sided-and-boring&p=1785669#post1785669

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?54976-Does-there-need-to-be-a-new-European-League&p=2241073#post2241073

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?54976-Does-there-need-to-be-a-new-European-League&p=2241017#post2241017

 

I liked that the FIRST of those, from 8 years ago, says something like "I've been going on about this for years..."

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What division of the World Super League would Pompey be in then, and how many of the Blue Few will turn out on a wet November night in Shanghai? The usual few thousand I suppose, just like that heaving mass at Wigan that time or the recent packed to the rafters affair at Yeovil. Still, I guess these Super Clubs need a league to play in.....

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What division of the World Super League would Pompey be in then, and how many of the Blue Few will turn out on a wet November night in Shanghai? The usual few thousand I suppose, just like that heaving mass at Wigan that time or the recent packed to the rafters affair at Yeovil. Still, I guess these Super Clubs need a league to play in.....

 

They'd be in the Super-dooper Bestest League.

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Would probably give up on football when (not if) it happens. Might start supporting Bashley Town

 

Why not continue watching Saints in the English league ? Will it really be so disastrous not to have Man U etc in the fixture list ?

 

Having said that I can seee the attraction of watching lower or non-league. Went to watch Plymouth v Cheltenham last week and thoroughly enjoyed it (apart from getting drenched).Non-league last season also gave some good entertainment in the Conference (as I still call it), prefer that 'honest' football to the Man U v Inter Galalactico etc.

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It does seem a Kerry Packer does football' type of circus.Possibly some inevitability to this, but b0llocks to them, if the big clubs want to bugger off let them.

 

Strikes me as a case of possibly "killing off the goose that lays the golden egg".

 

Part of the attraction is the history of the fixture, will Liverpool really want to give up their derby for a seasonal match with Atletico Madrid for example ? Assuming either will be invited to take part of course.

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Thing is our potential 60 million audience is dwarfed by the potential billions around the world who may have more interest in Man U v (any team in their particular country). It makes sense financially to take it global if a couple of teams dominate a domestic league.

The only thing that should make the clubs wary would be is it better to have domestic dominance, winning trophies regularily or to be in a league of like sized clubs and risk mid table mediocrity year after year? However the answer to that is probably the same situation we find ourselves in...no chance of winning anything but better off financially in the top division.

If it does happens I think 2/3/400 million transfers would follow very quickly as those clubs fought for the top.

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I remember back to that time when we told by other supporters we had to support the English teams in Europe, it was our duty. What dod they do with thay support? Turn it into a giant cash cow, and those teams don't look very English any more. This looks more like American franchise system, than traditional football. One of those "big clubs" that isnt as big as the others will get stripped as they become the "Singapore Rams" or something and then what will the supporters watch Everton or Arsenal, or maybe cheer on their club Singapore.

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Can't say I'm all that fussed. If the big clubs want to p*ss off and be global super franchises in cities across the globe then so be it. If it means teams like Saints have a half decent chance of winning the Premier League, competing with the likes of West Ham, Liverpool and Everton, it could be alright.

 

I don't particularly care if Utd me Chelsea p*ss off with their £100m jet lagged players.

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In chronological order... ( starting off in 2008 ) :)

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?2093-When-the-bubble-bursts&p=55886#post55886

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?4254-The-Dell-supporters-ST-Mary-s-spectators&p=94655#post94655

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?12010-Whose-the-next-in-line-for-financial-ruin&p=256764#post256764

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?14478-How-long-before-we-reclaim-our-rightful-position-above-the-Skates&p=360098#post360098

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?2093-When-the-bubble-bursts&p=405854#post405854

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?33193-Better-get-up-quick-if-we-want-to-be-in-the-PL&p=1165216#post1165216

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?36953-UEFA-and-Premier-league-arguing-again&p=1321074#post1321074

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?42146-In-our-dreams!&p=1571128#post1571128

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?45335-Soccerball-to-be-an-all-year-round-sport&p=1714454#post1714454

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?46836-Is-football-now-sterile-one-sided-and-boring&p=1785669#post1785669

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?54976-Does-there-need-to-be-a-new-European-League&p=2241073#post2241073

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?54976-Does-there-need-to-be-a-new-European-League&p=2241017#post2241017

 

:toppa:

 

p.s. whilst looking back through your posts I noticed that you once bought Darren Anderton's guinea pig. How did I miss that first time around? Respect :)

 

Even more respect to you. sir, for ploughing back through that load of drivel.

 

I didn't realise I had wittered on so much about this, but it is a bit of a sore point with me.

 

Those people who are asking about what happens to fans of the clubs possibly involved in this might be missing the point, that in the worldwide scheme of things, they are not really important and will only prove useful in providing a backdrop to the football.

 

The main concern will be with those huge legions of fans in China and the Far East who will buy merchandise and TV subscriptions (although most of them will stream it for nothing). And they turn up in their droves at Old Trafford and Anfield taking selfies in any case.

 

As for Darren Anderton's guinea pig.

 

I knew his dad Norman, and I happened to mention that my kids wanted a guinea pig and he saud that as Darren had joined Spurs, he wasn't around to look after his.

 

So I took it off his hands.

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Oooh-er.

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/world-super-league-clubs-europe-8795828

 

I'm not one for saying "I told you so," but if anybody can be bothered to trawl back through my previous posts (I couldn't, and there's no reason you should) I mentioned this a couple of years ago.

 

With Chinese backing, and Murdoch keen to broadcast it, it seems almost inevitable.

 

Discuss.

Why are you claiming "I told you" so on something that hasn't actually happened yet?

 

Let's be honest it would be a total crock of sh it. I'm not convinced the English clubs would ever leave the Prem to join some ditchwater dull F1-with-shinpads European Super League so a world version outside of glorified pre-season friendlies is absolutely miles away.

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That world super league will be fun. LA Galaxy, NYCFC and Melbourne all have salary cap regulations to abide by, how on earth will they possibly be able to compete? Their squads are Championship standard at the very, very best.

 

The whole thing is a non-starter and comes at a rather convenient time, when the new three year cycle for the Champions League needs to be agreed...

 

Of course this is going to happen as it is all about the money these days and when multinationals are willing - and they are - to put billions in a world league because it opens up the Asian and American market, there's just no stopping it. Especially the big clubs from Spain, Germany and Italy will profit as they are getting behind in comparison with the British top clubs due to the ridiculous amounts of money going round in the PL.

 

I don't mind that the big clubs want to play in a world league, the competitions in Europe are boring as hell. However, the other clubs should unite and demand that the big clubs have to leave their national competition, if you want out then sod off. The UEFA should do the same for the CL and UEFA League, those competitions will also become more attractive to watch as you can't tell up front which clubs will get in the final. Especially when things turn back to normal and the knock out system applies from the first round and there's no more group stage.

 

Is it possible for the smaller British clubs to unite and start a new competition without the Chelski's and so on?

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Of course this is going to happen as it is all about the money these days and when multinationals are willing - and they are - to put billions in a world league because it opens up the Asian and American market, there's just no stopping it. Especially the big clubs from Spain, Germany and Italy will profit as they are getting behind in comparison with the British top clubs due to the ridiculous amounts of money going round in the PL.

 

I don't mind that the big clubs want to play in a world league, the competitions in Europe are boring as hell. However, the other clubs should unite and demand that the big clubs have to leave their national competition, if you want out then sod off. The UEFA should do the same for the CL and UEFA League, those competitions will also become more attractive to watch as you can't tell up front which clubs will get in the final. Especially when things turn back to normal and the knock out system applies from the first round and there's no more group stage.

 

Is it possible for the smaller British clubs to unite and start a new competition without the Chelski's and so on?

 

If it is all about the money why are you saying "of course it would happen"?

 

The English Premier league is the richest league in the world, I remain to be convinced that the biggest English clubs would walk away from that to join something which would be clearly less good and has the risk to generate less money.

 

There's no evidence that Chinese people want to watch MUFC vs New York City significantly more than they want to watch MUFC vs Everton. They just want to watch MUFC. The Premier League is an efficient and very profitable way to deliver lots of that product.

 

The logic frankly doesn't make sense: it's a bit like saying that people like One Direction, they were the biggest act in the world but it's all about money and everyone would make more money if two members of the band was Chinese and one was from LA because that would, like, open up the Asian market. No it wouldn't.

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It will happen, whether it initially involves the big English clubs remains to be seen, but, as van Hanegam says, the new riches will entice other European giants. Then all the best players (and their wags) will be bailing out of the PL and heading to Milan, Barcelona, Madrid, etc. for even crazier salaries and far superior lifestyles than the wet, grey north west...in particular. And it would quickly become the only league to watch in Asia, US, etc. so their goes the Premier League as we know it.

 

 

watch in Asia

 

Chelsea, Arsenal (in their heads, Spurs), Man U, Man City and Liverpool would soon have a change of heart.

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If it happens, will the PL say 'you're either in the PL and out of the World League' ?

 

I can't see that the logistics will work either. Man U play Saints on a Super Sunday then play Shanghai on Wednesday then Arsenal on the Saturday.

 

If they have to chose between the WL and the PL - I'm sure the fans, at least, would chose domestic football?

 

And the players. Would they really only want to play 16? Games per season in the WL ?

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If it happens, will the PL say 'you're either in the PL and out of the World League' ?

 

I can't see that the logistics will work either. Man U play Saints on a Super Sunday then play Shanghai on Wednesday then Arsenal on the Saturday.

 

If they have to chose between the WL and the PL - I'm sure the fans, at least, would chose domestic football?

 

And the players. Would they really only want to play 16? Games per season in the WL ?

 

If a world league comes off there's no way they could also remain in the PL unless they have 2 teams, one for each league. The best players saved for jetting around the world, the U23s for PL matches. You'd like to think they be told to just **** off.

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It will happen, whether it initially involves the big English clubs remains to be seen, but, as van Hanegam says, the new riches will entice other European giants. Then all the best players (and their wags) will be bailing out of the PL and heading to Milan, Barcelona, Madrid, etc. for even crazier salaries and far superior lifestyles than the wet, grey north west...in particular. And it would quickly become the only league to watch in Asia, US, etc. so their goes the Premier League as we know it.

 

 

watch in Asia

 

Chelsea, Arsenal (in their heads, Spurs), Man U, Man City and Liverpool would soon have a change of heart.

There are all the riches on offer in China now - look at what they're paying Pelle.

 

But there's a reason why they've signed Pelle and not Pogba or Bale or Ronaldo at their peak. They could afford to sign all those players right now because they've got "all the riches" on offer.

 

We are a million miles away from a world league - "riches on offer" is not enough. It would be a sh it product.

 

There's a reason Dubai/Abu Dhabi bought into the Premier League and didn't try and create something else locally - the strongest product is the Premier League itself not just the clubs. Manchester United versus Shanghai Rovers is not the Premier League.

 

Same reason why Hollywood blockbusters are still coming out of Hollywood with US movie stars. There are "all the riches" in China or Qatar to make China and Qatar blockbusters but it is not the global product that Hollywood is.

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If it is all about the money why are you saying "of course it would happen"?

 

The English Premier league is the richest league in the world, I remain to be convinced that the biggest English clubs would walk away from that to join something which would be clearly less good and has the risk to generate less money.

 

There's no evidence that Chinese people want to watch MUFC vs New York City significantly more than they want to watch MUFC vs Everton. They just want to watch MUFC. The Premier League is an efficient and very profitable way to deliver lots of that product.

 

The logic frankly doesn't make sense: it's a bit like saying that people like One Direction, they were the biggest act in the world but it's all about money and everyone would make more money if two members of the band was Chinese and one was from LA because that would, like, open up the Asian market. No it wouldn't.

 

True, for the biggest English clubs it won't be an easy decision to join a world league just for the money, that's why they want to stay in the PL also as it must feel awkward to cut off their roots. But when the Real Madrids, Bayern Munichs etc. choose to join a world league do you really believe that the foreign owners of clubs like Chelsea, Manchester etc. will refuse to take part? I don't as there will be much more money and status at stake. Imagine the television market in China and America combined, it just takes the right strategy to sell the world league to it's inhabitants who are not raised with the same conception of football and it's culture like you and me. In China they're dreaming to see the Ronaldo's of this world play in their stadiums. It's all about stardom and glitter, they couldn't care less about the traditions or background of clubs. In my opinion it won't be that hard to sell the Chinese and American "fans" a subscription for the world league. Also: once I didn't believe English fans would accept so many foreigners (players and owners) at their clubs as they would not identify themselves with their club anymore. How wrong I was, it's clear most of them don't care at all as long as their club takes part in the PL, they don't care about the obscenity that comes along with all the money going round so I expect they will also be there when their club plays against the Shanghai Tigers or whatever names will come up. Football is just a product to be sold these days and I believe the pundits when they say there will be a world league within 5 years.

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True, for the biggest English clubs it won't be an easy decision to join a world league just for the money, that's why they want to stay in the PL also as it must feel awkward to cut off their roots. But when the Real Madrids, Bayern Munichs etc. choose to join a world league do you really believe that the foreign owners of clubs like Chelsea, Manchester etc. will refuse to take part? I don't as there will be much more money and status at stake. Imagine the television market in China and America combined, it just takes the right strategy to sell the world league to it's inhabitants who are not raised with the same conception of football and it's culture like you and me. In China they're dreaming to see the Ronaldo's of this world play in their stadiums. It's all about stardom and glitter, they couldn't care less about the traditions or background of clubs. In my opinion it won't be that hard to sell the Chinese and American "fans" a subscription for the world league. Also: once I didn't believe English fans would accept so many foreigners (players and owners) at their clubs as they would not identify themselves with their club anymore. How wrong I was, it's clear most of them don't care at all as long as their club takes part in the PL, they don't care about the obscenity that comes along with all the money going round so I expect they will also be there when their club plays against the Shanghai Tigers or whatever names will come up. Football is just a product to be sold these days and I believe the pundits when they say there will be a world league within 5 years.

 

I've not said anything about roots or culture or traditions "as you and I understand it" - you're not reading what I've said at all.

 

The killer, winning product is the Premier League. It's a successful TV product that is being exported around the globe.

 

Even the Champions League isn't as successful as the Premier League as an exported TV product. Like Star Wars or Top Gear or Beyoncé it's an global entertainment product that works very well as it is.

 

People in Beijing want to watch United v Arsenal and people in Chicago want to watch United v Arsenal but do people in Chicago want to watch United v Beijing and do people in Beijing want to watch Arsenal v Chicago. Just like Hollywood don't make movies with, say, Johnny Depp and two Chinese actors because Chinese people would be "dreaming to see that".

 

And with such a compelling and profitable proposition I don't know why Manchester United would throw that away to then enrich Shanghai Rovers, LA Galaxy and Sydney Wildcats. They don't need to let them in to feed off their lucrative brand without actually adding any value.

 

The Premier League are savvy enough to work out a way to maintain their dominant position without making other clubs rich or spreading out their earnings.

 

A series of global touring tournaments I can see, satellite clubs (like New York City already is) also likely, but there's nothing I can see that will stop the Premier League remaining in control of their destiny. Certainly nothing suggests a global league of any significance in the next five years if the Prem have anything to do with it.

 

Nothing to do with ropey old "traditions" everything to do with cold, hard cash.

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I've not said anything about roots or culture or traditions "as you and I understand it" - you're not reading what I've said at all.

 

The killer, winning product is the Premier League. It's a successful TV product that is being exported around the globe.

 

Even the Champions League isn't as successful as the Premier League as an exported TV product. Like Star Wars or Top Gear or Beyoncé it's an global entertainment product that works very well as it is.

 

People in Beijing want to watch United v Arsenal and people in Chicago want to watch United v Arsenal but do people in Chicago want to watch United v Beijing and do people in Beijing want to watch Arsenal v Chicago. Just like Hollywood don't make movies with, say, Johnny Depp and two Chinese actors because Chinese people would be "dreaming to see that".

 

And with such a compelling and profitable proposition I don't know why Manchester United would throw that away to then enrich Shanghai Rovers, LA Galaxy and Sydney Wildcats. They don't need to let them in to feed off their lucrative brand without actually adding any value.

 

The Premier League are savvy enough to work out a way to maintain their dominant position without making other clubs rich or spreading out their earnings.

 

A series of global touring tournaments I can see, satellite clubs (like New York City already is) also likely, but there's nothing I can see that will stop the Premier League remaining in control of their destiny. Certainly nothing suggests a global league of any significance in the next five years if the Prem have anything to do with it.

 

Nothing to do with ropey old "traditions" everything to do with cold, hard cash.

 

I have been reading what you wrote, that's why I tried to explain to you why I believe there will be a world league in the nearby future. Apparantly I failed to do so... Here's another attempt: the PL is a well marketed and succesfull product but as you will know, every product will be replaced as soon as there's something more attractive. United versus Arsenal is a popular game around the world but what to think of Stoke versus West Ham or Swansea against Bournemouth? It's just the big clubs the Chinese and Americans are interested in, do you agree? When United plays against Watford I don't think any Chinaman is interested in Watford, they just want to see Zlatan and Pogba etc. It will be the same when United plays against Chicago, they just want to see Zlatan and Pogba etc. Maybe you like to believe that the PL has the marketing power to maintain their position but then you would underestimate the powers of the Nike's, Coca Cola's and so on. When the multinationals are going to finance a world league, Chicago will be able to get some "stars" themselves so even the Chinaman will be more interested in watching United against Chicago than United versus Watford. It's simply more attractive for him (and her!). Indeed, it has everything to do with cold, hard cash and not traditions.

 

Like I said before, with the right strategy they will sell this new product. It has to be different than the way the Fifa Club World Cup is promoted of course so I don't believe a series of global tournaments will do the trick as there's not much interest in these kind of tournaments globally. And of course it will make a difference if the Manchester clubs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and maybe Tottenham take part in a world league. We'll see...

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I have been reading what you wrote, that's why I tried to explain to you why I believe there will be a world league in the nearby future. Apparantly I failed to do so... Here's another attempt: the PL is a well marketed and succesfull product but as you will know, every product will be replaced as soon as there's something more attractive. United versus Arsenal is a popular game around the world but what to think of Stoke versus West Ham or Swansea against Bournemouth? It's just the big clubs the Chinese and Americans are interested in, do you agree? When United plays against Watford I don't think any Chinaman is interested in Watford, they just want to see Zlatan and Pogba etc. It will be the same when United plays against Chicago, they just want to see Zlatan and Pogba etc. Maybe you like to believe that the PL has the marketing power to maintain their position but then you would underestimate the powers of the Nike's, Coca Cola's and so on. When the multinationals are going to finance a world league, Chicago will be able to get some "stars" themselves so even the Chinaman will be more interested in watching United against Chicago than United versus Watford. It's simply more attractive for him (and her!). Indeed, it has everything to do with cold, hard cash and not traditions.

 

Like I said before, with the right strategy they will sell this new product. It has to be different than the way the Fifa Club World Cup is promoted of course so I don't believe a series of global tournaments will do the trick as there's not much interest in these kind of tournaments globally. And of course it will make a difference if the Manchester clubs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and maybe Tottenham take part in a world league. We'll see...

 

You have a gigantic misunderstanding of what the likes of Coca-Cola do. They'll sponsor and partner up with successful propositions that drive their brand awareness/equity but they aren't about to start demanding that football clubs or competitions or administrators create leagues for them. There's plenty of opportunities for Coke to get their brand out there and they'll take the opportunities as they arrive.

 

And of course Watford v Swansea isn't particularly interesting but all leagues have ballast and filler and Watford v Swansea is ballast that is logistically easy to deliver and is part of the very successful proposition that is making billions around the world. Shanghai Athletic vs Seoul United is neither of those things. As well as being logistically complicated, there's nothing to suggest that fixture has any appeal in the Premier League's core markets.

 

Plus as I mentioned before I don't understand why Manchester United would sign up to a load of rigmarole of playing Seoul for a league fixture: logistical nightmare, delivers a product of questionable quality and very questionable global appeal and enriches a football club they really don't need to enrich. You're asking Manchester United to schlep around the globe playing league fixtures purely to make other parasite clubs rich. You might live in a fantasy land where Coca Cola will be telling MUFC that they have to do this but sorry they will not get involved.

 

Ditto Barcelona - lord knows why you think they're about to drop their current perfectly workable and profitable arrangement to play league matches in Sydney.

 

Coca Cola will not be forcing this all to happen. They are too busy running a global soft drink multinational to give a monkeys. We shall see indeed.

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I have been reading what you wrote, that's why I tried to explain to you why I believe there will be a world league in the nearby future. Apparantly I failed to do so... Here's another attempt: the PL is a well marketed and succesfull product but as you will know, every product will be replaced as soon as there's something more attractive. United versus Arsenal is a popular game around the world but what to think of Stoke versus West Ham or Swansea against Bournemouth? It's just the big clubs the Chinese and Americans are interested in, do you agree? When United plays against Watford I don't think any Chinaman is interested in Watford, they just want to see Zlatan and Pogba etc. It will be the same when United plays against Chicago, they just want to see Zlatan and Pogba etc. Maybe you like to believe that the PL has the marketing power to maintain their position but then you would underestimate the powers of the Nike's, Coca Cola's and so on. When the multinationals are going to finance a world league, Chicago will be able to get some "stars" themselves so even the Chinaman will be more interested in watching United against Chicago than United versus Watford. It's simply more attractive for him (and her!). Indeed, it has everything to do with cold, hard cash and not traditions.

 

Like I said before, with the right strategy they will sell this new product. It has to be different than the way the Fifa Club World Cup is promoted of course so I don't believe a series of global tournaments will do the trick as there's not much interest in these kind of tournaments globally. And of course it will make a difference if the Manchester clubs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and maybe Tottenham take part in a world league. We'll see...

 

Must have dreamt the Chinese bid for Premier League heavyweights Hull City.

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