1976_Child Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 We had 54 points last season, and just stayed up. So far this season we have managed an impressive 23 points (tongue firmly in cheek). There are still 60 points to play for. I reckon we need to be aiming to get a total of 60 points to be safe - based on last season's table, so we need an additional 37 points. this means we need to win shed loads of games between now and the end of the season, only draw a few and stop losing games. Anyone else got that horrible sinking feeling.. It is do-able but it is one heck of an ask given recent performances. How many points are we realisticly going to pick up out of the last 60 available? 30? Is that possible? I feel ill.
alpine_saint Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 We had 54 points last season, and just stayed up. So far this season we have managed an impressive 23 points (tongue firmly in cheek). There are still 60 points to play for. I reckon we need to be aiming to get a total of 60 points to be safe - based on last season's table, so we need an additional 37 points. this means we need to win shed loads of games between now and the end of the season, only draw a few and stop losing games. Anyone else got that horrible sinking feeling.. It is do-able but it is one heck of an ask given recent performances. How many points are we realisticly going to pick up out of the last 60 available? 30? Is that possible? I feel ill. We've got 23 points from 78, and you even want to discuss getting 37 from 60 with a even-further weakened team ? I feel ill too now. Thanks...
Weston Super Saint Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 we had 54 points last season, and just stayed up. So far this season we have managed an impressive 23 points (tongue firmly in cheek). There are still 60 points to play for. I reckon we need to be aiming to get a total of 60 points to be safe - based on last season's table, so we need an additional 37 points. This means we need to win shed loads of games between now and the end of the season, only draw a few and stop losing games. Anyone else got that horrible sinking feeling.. It is do-able but it is one heck of an ask given recent performances. how many points are we realisticly going to pick up out of the last 60 available? 30? is that possible? I feel ill. 15
MongoNeil Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 So long as there are three teams with less points than us, I don't care if we finish with 30 points!
Hatch Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 Top of the table Wolves have taken 40 points (out of 60) from their last 20 games. Thats the form we will need to be comparable against.
St Marco Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 The reality is we got 20 games left and 10 of those are home games. Doncaster, Forest and others have turned their seasons round, appointed new coaches, have new ideas. Last season you needed 53 points to stay up. Meaning we need at least 20 points from our last 20 games. Realisticly i think we will need more then that though. If we can win 7 of our home games that is 21 points then win 2 or 3 away thats an extra 6-9 points. However that would mean we win 70% of our remaining home games. Seeing as we have won 1 in 12 at home that doesnt look likely does it. One thing is for sure that Doncaster at home and Barnsley away are must win games, we lose them and we could end up needing 8 points to climb out of the zone.
Ken Tone Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 We've got 23 points from 78, and you even want to discuss getting 37 from 60 with a even-further weakened team ? I feel ill too now. Thanks... How is the team even-further weakened? We've lost Cork and Pearce but arguably Schneiderlin is as good in midfield as Cork if he really is fit again now, and if this new Dutch centre half is any good, and if Saga is anything like Saga mk1 as opposed to Saga mk2, it could indeed be an improved team. None of the other loan returners, Pekhart etc, were any good. Surman and Lallana haven't gone yet in spite of all the predictions that they'd be gone by the end of the first day of the transfer window. Still quietly confident of promotion personally ;-) K.
OliversDad Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 Me and (not the)Kevin Moore had this discussion on monday and basically came to the same conclusion that we appear to be unlikely to win enough games to secure survival.
Big Ron fan Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 At our current points/game ratio, we'll get about another 17 points. Personally, I think it could be a lot less. Thanks Rupert!
Big Ron fan Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 How is the team even-further weakened? We've lost Cork and Pearce but arguably Schneiderlin is as good in midfield as Cork if he really is fit again now, and if this new Dutch centre half is any good, and if Saga is anything like Saga mk1 as opposed to Saga mk2, it could indeed be an improved team. None of the other loan returners, Pekhart etc, were any good. Surman and Lallana haven't gone yet in spite of all the predictions that they'd be gone by the end of the first day of the transfer window. Still quietly confident of promotion personally ;-) K. Love it!
offix Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 We had 54 points last season, and just stayed up. So far this season we have managed an impressive 23 points (tongue firmly in cheek). There are still 60 points to play for. I reckon we need to be aiming to get a total of 60 points to be safe - based on last season's table, so we need an additional 37 points. this means we need to win shed loads of games between now and the end of the season, only draw a few and stop losing games. Anyone else got that horrible sinking feeling.. It is do-able but it is one heck of an ask given recent performances. How many points are we realisticly going to pick up out of the last 60 available? 30? Is that possible? I feel ill. We'll need a lot more if we go into administration. Either way, we are on our way to League 2!
1976_Child Posted 8 January, 2009 Author Posted 8 January, 2009 We've got 23 points from 78, and you even want to discuss getting 37 from 60 with a even-further weakened team ? I feel ill too now. Thanks... We're doomed. Christ, 23 points from 78. That is truly turd.
JohnnyFartPants Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 Wasn't last year an exceptionally high amount of point needed to stay up compared to the norm?
Snowballs2 Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 We are already as good as relegated now Truth hurts as does reality, we will be fielding weeker teams and I would not expect us to get more than 20 points. Its great to be gung ho and have these rediculous expectations but it is better to be realistic, it saves being disapointed at the end of the season
JohnnyFartPants Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 We are already as good as relegated now Truth hurts as does reality, we will be fielding weeker teams and I would not expect us to get more than 20 points. Its great to be gung ho and have these rediculous expectations but it is better to be realistic, it saves being disapointed at the end of the season Better than great?
Andy_Porter Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 Need to turn our home form around against Doncaster. If we can't get a home win against them then we are as good as down. We need to go on a decent run at home and it needs to start somewhere.
Hatch Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 Wasn't last year an exceptionally high amount of point needed to stay up compared to the norm? 3rd from bottom 2008 Leicester 52 2007 SOuthend 42 2006 Crewe 42 2005 Gillingham 50 2004 Walsall 51 2003 Sheff W 46
krissyboy31 Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 3rd from bottom 2008 Leicester 52 2007 SOuthend 42 2006 Crewe 42 2005 Gillingham 50 2004 Walsall 51 2003 Sheff W 46 I think this year we'll need 50 to stay up but we're still a hell of a long way from that.
JohnnyFartPants Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 I have just done some rough workings out on some paper and it appears that if we finish 4th from bottom we should be fine. If we finish top we will be called the Champions.
1976_Child Posted 8 January, 2009 Author Posted 8 January, 2009 I have just done some rough workings out on some paper and it appears that if we finish 4th from bottom we should be fine. If we finish top we will be called the Champions. genius. pure genius. good contribution.
St Marco Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 I have just done some rough workings out on some paper and it appears that if we finish 4th from bottom we should be fine. If we finish top we will be called the Champions. Indeed! However seeing as we have won only once in the past 10 games (3 wins in last 19) would lead me to believe we have to improve and improve by a lot to finish above the bottom 3. If we win only 3 of our next 19 games we will probably be relegated long before the final 3-4 games of the season. We need wins and we need them bad. Lose on saturday and it could get really bad seeing as Forest play Charton. Meaning if Forest win we go 4 points adrift in the zone due to our awesome GD. Or if Charlton win we get pegged back to just 1 point from bottom. Point being we have to win and we have to improve. Things stay as they are and were down.
Weston Super Saint Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 So long as there are three teams with less points than us, I don't care if we finish with 30 points! Just like there are at the momen...........................oh.
Whitey Grandad Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 I came to this conclusion some time ago. 'I feel so much better now that I have given up hope' Our only chance is to change manager but it's almost probably too late for that now.
St Marco Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 Statistics like that are just to create fear. We can get out the drop zone with one win. Once we're out, we just need to perform better than the 3 teams below. No point setting any targets out of 60 points. just has to be giving everything in every game now. might be far fewer points needed this season anyway who knows. will need lots of support for the home games though. always surprises me in a way, that we were obviously going to get a sell out for sheffield united last season, yet if those people had turn up all season, IMO we wouldn't have been near relegation. same goes for this year, more than ever, given the extra morning it would bring. Not quite true mate is it. We had a full house at home to Forest and got our ass handed to us on a plate. Big crowds do not mean wins the tactics and players performances do. We as fans this season have been generally very good. Having seen only one win all season and no protests i think is very good going, how many teams in todays world would behave like we do with those kind of stats/performances? And we can get out of the drop zone IF others fail. This is what i tried to explain to you earlier in the season. If we win all our games and all those above us win their games were still relegated. We have to win and hope others don't. The more we lose the more we have to hope others lose to, it is as simple as that. We must win games starting from now.
Thedelldays Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 Statistics like that are just to create fear. We can get out the drop zone with one win. Once we're out, we just need to perform better than the 3 teams below. No point setting any targets out of 60 points. just has to be giving everything in every game now. might be far fewer points needed this season anyway who knows. will need lots of support for the home games though. always surprises me in a way, that we were obviously going to get a sell out for sheffield united last season, yet if those people had turn up all season, IMO we wouldn't have been near relegation. same goes for this year, more than ever, given the extra morning it would bring. adrians...i seriously think the crowds are very generous for the crap served up.. many many teams above us get alot less through the gate..
Matt SFC Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 I'll be worried when were cut adrift, at the moment, were only a point or two from staying up. so i don't believe all this double points at half way point to see who would stay up from previous seasons.
broncoboy Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 Not quite true mate is it. We had a full house at home to Forest and got our ass handed to us on a plate. Big crowds do not mean wins the tactics and players performances do. We as fans this season have been generally very good. Having seen only one win all season and no protests i think is very good going, how many teams in todays world would behave like we do with those kind of stats/performances? And we can get out of the drop zone IF others fail. This is what i tried to explain to you earlier in the season. If we win all our games and all those above us win their games were still relegated. We have to win and hope others don't. The more we lose the more we have to hope others lose to, it is as simple as that. We must win games starting from now. Right on the button
broncoboy Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 We need one of our strikers " to go on a run". It is all very possible. Goodness me we are due a few goals!
ericofarabia Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 So the general feeling is that we won't make the play offs this season then
1976_Child Posted 8 January, 2009 Author Posted 8 January, 2009 we need to sort out our corners. We have lost so many chances from a complete inability to do corners. I'd love to see the stats. Probably something like we score from one in every 30 corners or something crap. It ain'd good enough. Been crap at corners now for a couple of seasons.
1976_Child Posted 8 January, 2009 Author Posted 8 January, 2009 So the general feeling is that we won't make the play offs this season then doubtful.
trousers Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 Chin up guys....we're only 18 points off the play-offs edit: damn, beaten to the cheap playoffs gag
John B Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 We stayed up in 1970 with only 6 wins because the teams below were worse Two points for a win then 15 Nottingham Forest 42 10 18 14 50 71 38 16 West Bromwich Albion 42 14 9 19 58 66 37 17 West Ham United 42 12 12 18 51 60 36 18 Ipswich Town 42 10 11 21 40 63 31 19 Southampton 42 6 17 19 46 67 29 20 Crystal Palace 42 6 15 21 34 68 27 21 Sunderland 42 6 14 22 30 68 26 22 Sheffield Wednesday 42 8 9 25 40 71 25 Lets hope we can do the same this season
krissyboy31 Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 I'll be worried when were cut adrift, at the moment, were only a point or two from staying up. so i don't believe all this double points at half way point to see who would stay up from previous seasons. We're already 3 games past the half way stage and we haven't got half the points we more than likely need. Therefore, maybe not worried but certainly should be concerned.
Weston Super Saint Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 We need one of our strikers " to go on a run". It is all very possible. Goodness me we are due a few goals! As long as it's not McG, by the time he gets in the box they'll be up our end again :shock:
West End Saint Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 Not quite true mate is it. We had a full house at home to Forest and got our ass handed to us on a plate. Big crowds do not mean wins the tactics and players performances do. We as fans this season have been generally very good. Having seen only one win all season and no protests i think is very good going, how many teams in todays world would behave like we do with those kind of stats/performances? And we can get out of the drop zone IF others fail. This is what i tried to explain to you earlier in the season. If we win all our games and all those above us win their games were still relegated. We have to win and hope others don't. The more we lose the more we have to hope others lose to, it is as simple as that. We must win games starting from now. I think the support has been pretty good seeing that we have only won 1 league game and I also think if we are still bottom 3 at the end of Jan we are going down Donny is a must win and we need a win at either Norwich or Barnsley if we can get out of the bottom 3 and drag somone else into the relegation scrap it is all to play for
DT Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 I think even Charlton will see sense, appoint a decent manager and move up the table. Doncaster might drop, I suppose, and I have a sneaky feeling the Derby Clough thing will not work out in the end, so then it's us or someone like Blackpool. Forest will be well clear with Davies in. With our current chairman and manager I think we are down.
the boy from saints Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 I think even Charlton will see sense, appoint a decent manager and move up the table. Doncaster might drop, I suppose, and I have a sneaky feeling the Derby Clough thing will not work out in the end, so then it's us or someone like Blackpool. Forest will be well clear with Davies in. With our current chairman and manager I think we are down. Blackpool have had 6 loans players returned and are skint so they could easily get dragged into it. My mate who's a Blackpool fan is very concerned for their Championship status.
Micky Posted 8 January, 2009 Posted 8 January, 2009 Having witnessed what I have in the first half of the season I have resigned myself to relegation. In the unlikely event that it doesn't happen then it's a bonus. People keep asking 'Can it get any worse?' and it appears to me that the stark reality is 'Yes it can and probably will'. Our home form is shocking, as is our goals ratio - I really do not see us getting anywhere near enough points for safety.
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