VectisSaint Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Maybe the highlight(s)....were the entire four year contract he signed at £65K /week ....and only getting to start 48 games for Saints. Another Nicola Cortese coup. There is something seriously wrong about signing a player for £12 million, who is subsequently ignored by 3 successive managers, and then walked away for £nothing. Who were these 3 successive managers who ignored him? Only Koeman "ignored" him by sending him out on loan twice. He played 48 times under Adkins and Poch and scored 8 goals, this was despite his injuries (most notably his dead leg which was still affecting him last season). He's gone now but people should stop peddling nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 You can criticise the club for its "springboard" policy, but realistically would we be able to sign players like Boufal and Højbjerg without said policy Pierre spoke openly about "using us" and now we have Boufal talking about using us as a springboard before he's even signed. I guess the club is selling this process to players as a convincer to sign Is it a bad thing? Nope, it's a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 You can criticise the club for its "springboard" policy, but realistically would we be able to sign players like Boufal and Højbjerg without said policy Pierre spoke openly about "using us" and now we have Boufal talking about using us as a springboard before he's even signed. I guess the club is selling this process to players as a convincer to sign Is it a bad thing? No it is not a bad thing as we get players in who want to improve not dead beats who want to earn loads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonicBoom Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 I bet we use it as part of our sales pitch to potential players. We just show them the roll call of players that have passed through the club. It's a pretty impressive list. Compare it with other clubs of our stature and it's even more impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 You can criticise the club for its "springboard" policy, but realistically would we be able to sign players like Boufal and Højbjerg without said policy Pierre spoke openly about "using us" and now we have Boufal talking about using us as a springboard before he's even signed. I guess the club is selling this process to players as a convincer to sign Is it a bad thing? It is the perfect model for a club of our size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Nope, it's a good thing. No it is not a bad thing as we get players in who want to improve not dead beats who want to earn loads I agree guys, problem is you have to then accept that you will always lose your best players and be stuck with the ones that didn't quite work out as planned. The benefit of our policy is the difference (£) Gaston and Osvaldo for example cost us £30-£40m (Transfer fees and wages) and would effectively wipe out any profits made from 4 or 5 player sales. I think the philosophy is sound but you need a success rate of 70%+ to make it worthwhile. The philosophy also prevents us becoming established top 6 as we need to almost restart each summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 I agree guys, problem is you have to then accept that you will always lose your best players and be stuck with the ones that didn't quite work out as planned. The benefit of our policy is the difference (£) Gaston and Osvaldo for example cost us £30-£40m (Transfer fees and wages) and would effectively wipe out any profits made from 4 or 5 player sales. I think the philosophy is sound but you need a success rate of 70%+ to make it worthwhile. The philosophy also prevents us becoming established top 6 as we need to almost restart each summer. It is fine as long as it is phased and planned, which is why the longer contracts give the club breathing space in this respect. Most sensible fans understand the policy and where we are as a club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 I agree guys, problem is you have to then accept that you will always lose your best players and be stuck with the ones that didn't quite work out as planned. The benefit of our policy is the difference (£) Gaston and Osvaldo for example cost us £30-£40m (Transfer fees and wages) and would effectively wipe out any profits made from 4 or 5 player sales. I think the philosophy is sound but you need a success rate of 70%+ to make it worthwhile. The philosophy also prevents us becoming established top 6 as we need to almost restart each summer. Not necessarily, if you keep bringing in promising players, they prove themselves and then we reinvest part of the money, its not a problem. Only becomes a problem when you dont reinvest and you just lose your best players. If we can could this with some promising youth products and a few older heads, then happy days. We're never going to be a top top club without huge investment, so this is about the best we can hope for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 I bet we use it as part of our sales pitch to potential players. We just show them the roll call of players that have passed through the club. It's a pretty impressive list. Compare it with other clubs of our stature and it's even more impressive. The club is excellent at highlighting the positive side of the philosophy and to a large extent the media focus on the positives - Saints bought player X for £10m and sold him for £20m. Sounds great and easy Like I say it has its downsides and we don’t hear much about how it blocks our potential or about the losses made on Gastón Ramírez, Emmanuel Mayuka, potentially Jay Rodríguez, Vegard Forren, Steve De Ridder, Daniel Osvaldo, Tadanari Lee, Florin Gardos ect ect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 You can criticise the club for its "springboard" policy, but realistically would we be able to sign players like Boufal and Højbjerg without said policy Pierre spoke openly about "using us" and now we have Boufal talking about using us as a springboard before he's even signed. I guess the club is selling this process to players as a convincer to sign Is it a bad thing? 8.5/10. Slight over rotation when entering the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 No it is not a bad thing as we get players in who want to improve not dead beats who want to earn loads And here you have it ! We get young hungry players keen to make a name for themselves not has been son high wages happy to sit on the bench and see out there career We have worked hard to create saints as a destination for young ambitious players we get two to three years out of them and sell at a profit An ideal strategy for a club of our size and wealth and it enables us to slowly eat away at the commercial advantages of our bigger rivals and gradually increase our wage bills too and all in a stable financial set up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 And here you have it ! We get young hungry players keen to make a name for themselves not has been son high wages happy to sit on the bench and see out there career We have worked hard to create saints as a destination for young ambitious players we get two to three years out of them and sell at a profit An ideal strategy for a club of our size and wealth and it enables us to slowly eat away at the commercial advantages of our bigger rivals and gradually increase our wage bills too and all in a stable financial set up and yet every summer is a meltdown.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 and yet every summer is a meltdown.... thats all fine as long as we do get players in. None of us know what the numbers will be until the window closes but it does seem odd that we sell unfashionable quickly without having the replacement with the pen at the ready to sign for us. It is sad that one f the new ones looks to have a bad injury (fingers crossed not) and so we have not gone forward but a half step back. I assume that Les and Co. have got all the players lined up and others doing the work if he is at the cup draw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 thats all fine as long as we do get players in. None of us know what the numbers will be until the window closes but it does seem odd that we sell unfashionable quickly without having the replacement with the pen at the ready to sign for us. It is sad that one f the new ones looks to have a bad injury (fingers crossed not) and so we have not gone forward but a half step back. I assume that Les and Co. have got all the players lined up and others doing the work if he is at the cup draw If we didn't sell them we wouldn't get the new also until the young players see the gap and know they will be playing they are not going to sign there is always an element of chicken and egg We also need space for academy players too otherwise the best will not seek us out so not everyone is replaced on the market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Well I still have bad memories of Toby on his way permanently to St Marys to sign for us... only for it all to go t1ts up at the last minute. So forgive me if I feel a little uneasy with the Sofiane Boufal deal before it's actually done and he's pictured on the OS sitting next to Les and sporting a shiny new wrist-watch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 thats all fine as long as we do get players in. None of us know what the numbers will be until the window closes but it does seem odd that we sell unfashionable quickly without having the replacement with the pen at the ready to sign for us. It is sad that one f the new ones looks to have a bad injury (fingers crossed not) and so we have not gone forward but a half step back. I assume that Les and Co. have got all the players lined up and others doing the work if he is at the cup draw Was thinking about this earlier and have come to the below conclusion. Our targets are predominantly going to be the targets for the top 6 sides in Germany, Spain and England and perhaps we need to wait to see whose available once the big clubs finish there shopping? We are essentially targetting those players who just miss out on the BIG / Dream move and offering them a 2nd chance and springboard. Just my thoughts but explains why we are typically late doing our business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Was thinking about this earlier and have come to the below conclusion. Our targets are predominantly going to be the targets for the top 6 sides in Germany, Spain and England and perhaps we need to wait to see whose available once the big clubs finish there shopping? We are essentially targetting those players who just miss out on the BIG / Dream move and offering them a 2nd chance and springboard. Just my thoughts but explains why we are typically late doing our business could be. There wont be many players left to buy after WHU have done their business lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Was thinking about this earlier and have come to the below conclusion. Our targets are predominantly going to be the targets for the top 6 sides in Germany, Spain and England and perhaps we need to wait to see whose available once the big clubs finish there shopping? We are essentially targetting those players who just miss out on the BIG / Dream move and offering them a 2nd chance and springboard. Just my thoughts but explains why we are typically late doing our business Would have thought that it was pretty apparent that's what we've been doing for a number of seasons. Okay sometimes we hit lucky and get our targets in early but most are waiting to see which big teams their agents can get interested first - we're just there picking up the bones (many of which are nice and juicy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirosk Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Hello, LOSC fan here! Sofiane Boufal is a bad player, Junior Tallo is better. You should buy Tallo. Please. OH MY GOD PLEASE BUY TALLO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Hello, LOSC fan here! Sofiane Boufal is a bad player, Junior Tallo is better. You should buy Tallo. Please. OH MY GOD PLEASE BUY TALLO. I suggest you offer him to Portsmouth football club,;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Hello, LOSC fan here! Sofiane Boufal is a bad player, Junior Tallo is better. You should buy Tallo. Please. OH MY GOD PLEASE BUY TALLO. Excellent first post, and a good way to ingratiate yourself to our fans! Can you give us a small summary of what to expect from Boufal please? All the signs are that he is a very good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 (edited) Who were these 3 successive managers who ignored him? Only Koeman "ignored" him by sending him out on loan twice. He played 48 times under Adkins and Poch and scored 8 goals, this was despite his injuries (most notably his dead leg which was still affecting him last season). He's gone now but people should stop peddling nonsense. Umm..although I grant you that Adkins tried to play him as often as possible (in between injuries), we'll have to wait for Nigel Adkins autobiography to hear the whole story, but somehow I got the impression (rightly/wrongly) than GR wasn't his choice, but as the club's record signing he was forced to play him. Especially at £65K / week. Ramirez certainly didn't impress Pochettino enough to be selected regularly and was subbed in almost every games he started, after which Poch put him on the bench more than 20 times and only then used him sparingly. Hardly a vote of confidence. Certainly Gaston didn't do enough to impress Koeman who (as you pointed out) loaned him out twice for longer periods during his two seasons as manager. This may be seen a condemnation of Koeman (we were quite happy with his selections upto the end of last season), so RK must have had a firm opinion of Ramirez and didn't want him. Edited 26 August, 2016 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 My constitution would be happier if incoming springboards happened before the springboards they replace were springboarded out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Hello, LOSC fan here! Sofiane Boufal is a bad player, Junior Tallo is better. You should buy Tallo. Please. OH MY GOD PLEASE BUY TALLO. If you are an LOSC Fan And you want us to buy Tallo and not Boufal. Because Tallo is better in your eyes Yeh right. It's like us trying to convince Liverpool not to buy Mane but buy JWP because he's 'better'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meatball Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 If you are an LOSC Fan And you want us to buy Tallo and not Boufal. Because Tallo is better in your eyes Yeh right. It's like us trying to convince Liverpool not to buy Mane but buy JWP because he's 'better'! Nice work Sherlock. Brilliant. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 If you are an LOSC Fan And you want us to buy Tallo and not Boufal. Because Tallo is better in your eyes Yeh right. It's like us trying to convince Liverpool not to buy Mane but buy JWP because he's 'better'! What are you on about? He's clearly being sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Well I still have bad memories of Toby on his way permanently to St Marys to sign for us... only for it all to go t1ts up at the last minute. So forgive me if I feel a little uneasy with the Sofiane Boufal deal before it's actually done and he's pictured on the OS sitting next to Les and sporting a shiny new wrist-watch! ...not to mention matching earlobes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_emu Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 If you are an LOSC Fan And you want us to buy Tallo and not Boufal. Because Tallo is better in your eyes Yeh right. It's like us trying to convince Liverpool not to buy Mane but buy JWP because he's 'better'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so22saint Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 If you are an LOSC Fan And you want us to buy Tallo and not Boufal. Because Tallo is better in your eyes Yeh right. It's like us trying to convince Liverpool not to buy Mane but buy JWP because he's 'better'! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Hello, LOSC fan here! Sofiane Boufal is a bad player, Junior Tallo is better. You should buy Tallo. Please. OH MY GOD PLEASE BUY TALLO. Welcome. How good is Boufal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirosk Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Boufal is the best dribbler I've seen in Lille, he is a much better dribbler that Hazard or Payet. He's just a ****ing magician. He has a good vision, good passing skills and a he is excellent at finishing. He adapted very quickly to the team. It's good for him to have a French coach in PL because he appears to be quite introverted off the field. His big problem is he was wounded several times in a season and a half. In Lille we don't know if it's bad luck or a real physical problem. Also, he is sometimes a little selfish but it's pretty rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Hello, LOSC fan here! Sofiane Boufal is a bad player, Junior Tallo is better. You should buy Tallo. Please. OH MY GOD PLEASE BUY TALLO. love it. Welcome to the forum and if we do finish the deal for Boufal, sorry and thanks, we Saints fans know all too well how it feels on the other end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 what page in this thread will we be on when he signs? I'm going for 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 If you are an LOSC Fan And you want us to buy Tallo and not Boufal. Because Tallo is better in your eyes Yeh right. It's like us trying to convince Liverpool not to buy Mane but buy JWP because he's 'better'! Cripes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_au Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Has he signed yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Tues or Weds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumuah Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Is Boufal the new Skacel? Has he signed yet....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Is Boufal the new Skacel? Has he signed yet....? That joke got old 10 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Has he signed yet? Equipe says it's all agreed, we're paying 20 million € now, bonus payments to be added and the player has turned down more money from another club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 That joke got old 10 years ago. I still laugh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 L'equipe is reporting a total agreement between Lille and Saints for Boufal despite late interest from Leicester and another offer from another english club who offered Boufal a higher salary. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 L'equipe is reporting a total agreement between Lille and Saints for Boufal despite late interest from Leicester and another offer from another english club who offered Boufal a higher salary. :-) Portsmouth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petts Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 If you are an LOSC Fan And you want us to buy Tallo and not Boufal. Because Tallo is better in your eyes Yeh right. It's like us trying to convince Liverpool not to buy Mane but buy JWP because he's 'better'! Why would we have tried to convince Liverpool jwp is better, if we think he is better, they might of bought him instead of mane and then we would have lost a betterer player ? Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Medical tomorrow.....job done. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint77 Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Medical tomorrow.....job done. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk And apparently turned down more money from another PL club fair play to him if true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Medical tomorrow.....job done. Assuming he passes the medical of course.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Deal off I heard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint77 Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Deal off I heard Pric. K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Deal off I heard Oh, go on then, I'll take this one.... Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 August, 2016 Share Posted 26 August, 2016 Oh, go on then, I'll take this one.... Source? A hunch [emoji23] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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