beowulf Posted 20 August, 2016 Share Posted 20 August, 2016 Why have we not bought a another forward? Where are the goals going to come from? Jay Rod is he ever going to be the player he was? Austin will he always be a bit player? Long is great but I feel he needs support. Having sold Mane,Pelle etc. With TV rights etc, where's the money going? I am trying not to be so negative on here but I have grave fears, even so early in the season, we need to wake up. It no good running around passing sideways you don't get points for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 20 August, 2016 Share Posted 20 August, 2016 Why have we not bought a another forward? Where are the goals going to come from? Jay Rod is he ever going to be the player he was? Austin will he always be a bit player? Long is great but I feel he needs support. Having sold Mane,Pelle etc. With TV rights etc, where's the money going? I am trying not to be so negative on here but I have grave fears, even so early in the season, we need to wake up. It no good running around passing sideways you don't get points for that. 2 games in, Transfer window still open..HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 20 August, 2016 Share Posted 20 August, 2016 What is today's date again? Oh yes that is it, 20th of august 11 days to go. Calm the **** down and breathe. Benteke is certainly not a fit on our system and is grossely overpriced. I'd be questionning our board had we got him at that price. Have a little patience, VVD was signed in the last days of the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 20 August, 2016 Share Posted 20 August, 2016 Have a little patience, VVD was signed in the last days of the window.Where would have we have placed last season if he was signed in July? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 20 August, 2016 Share Posted 20 August, 2016 Good signing but I would hate Saints to spend that on Benteke. 20m tops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 20 August, 2016 Share Posted 20 August, 2016 He's exactly the sort of signing we shouldn't be making . Overpriced , overpaid and totally against our business model , a model that has served us well . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 August, 2016 Share Posted 20 August, 2016 Everyone is overpriced, keep up and get used to it for god sake, prices aren't going to suddenly drop Benteke in his form pre Liverpool would have been great, and with the crosses we threw at utd's box last night I wouldn't of said he was far away from fitting our system at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 20 August, 2016 Share Posted 20 August, 2016 He's a great buy for Palace. It's more or less the money they got for Bolasie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 20 August, 2016 Share Posted 20 August, 2016 Benteke in his form pre Liverpool would have been great, If people thought he'd get back to that form , he wouldn't be signing for Palace . Perhaps we should sign Balloteli , in his pre Liverpool form , he'd be great . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 20 August, 2016 Share Posted 20 August, 2016 Delighted for Palace and in many a way feel like they owe us (you're welcome Palace fans) We started the transfer mmerry-go-round with the Mane sale.... It just goes round n round and we all come out as winners...... Liverpool buy Mane from Southampton Everton buy Bolasie from Palace Palace buy Benteke from Liverpool Man city buy Stones from Everton Southampton buy Pied from..... Oh **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 20 August, 2016 Share Posted 20 August, 2016 Delighted for Palace and in many a way feel like they owe us (you're welcome Palace fans) We started the transfer mmerry-go-round with the Mane sale.... It just goes round n round and we all come out as winners...... Liverpool buy Mane from Southampton Everton buy Bolasie from Palace Palace buy Benteke from Liverpool Man city buy Stones from Everton Southampton buy Pied from..... Oh **** Nonsense, or did we give Everton money for Mane?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 August, 2016 Share Posted 20 August, 2016 Chomp chomp chomp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 20 August, 2016 Share Posted 20 August, 2016 2 games in, Transfer window still open..HTH Very true, but wouldn't it be better to have signing in place before the season started? We seem to get the exiters sorted tout de suite and gone as soon as the window is open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 20 August, 2016 Share Posted 20 August, 2016 He announced on twitter he had signed for Burnley and changed his status to Burnley FC, whilst posing in his new Palace shirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 20 August, 2016 Share Posted 20 August, 2016 Very true, but wouldn't it be better to have signing in place before the season started? We seem to get the exiters sorted tout de suite and gone as soon as the window is open. It would be yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 20 August, 2016 Share Posted 20 August, 2016 He's exactly the sort of signing we shouldn't be making . Overpriced , overpaid and totally against our business model , a model that has served us well . Agreed. We have some good academy players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 20 August, 2016 Share Posted 20 August, 2016 totally against our business model Buy low sell high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 August, 2016 Share Posted 20 August, 2016 Why have we not bought a another forward? Where are the goals going to come from? Jay Rod is he ever going to be the player he was? Austin will he always be a bit player? Long is great but I feel he needs support. Having sold Mane,Pelle etc. With TV rights etc, where's the money going? I am trying not to be so negative on here but I have grave fears, even so early in the season, we need to wake up. It no good running around passing sideways you don't get points for that. I'm not sure Benteke is the solution to any question that isn't "who's one of the least mobile strikers in the Premier League who costs over £25m and doesn't suit our new system?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigShadow Posted 20 August, 2016 Share Posted 20 August, 2016 I'm not sure Benteke is the solution to any question that isn't "who's one of the least mobile strikers in the Premier League who costs over £25m and doesn't suit our new system?". Well our new system was begging for a Benteke type forward to get on the end of those crosses last night. In the 2nd Half you could pretty much see Targett thinking about a cross and then realising - 'What's the point', and passing backwards or sideways like everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 August, 2016 Share Posted 20 August, 2016 Well our new system was begging for a Benteke type forward to get on the end of those crosses last night. In the 2nd Half you could pretty much see Targett thinking about a cross and then realising - 'What's the point', and passing backwards or sideways like everyone else. Absolutely the case that we'd benefit from having a target man on the end of the crosses, but also the case that with a target man who isn't involved in the build-up we'd probably create far fewer opportunities to cross. Personally I think we need a hybrid target man to offer an aerial presence but who can also play in the kind of wide attacking role with the ball on the ground. For me it's worth trying Rodriguez there as I'm not (yet?) convinced he's lost it, unless we have someone specific in mind to do exactly that. I'm more concerned that we don't have a number 10 for a formation that really needs a creative player in the hole/point of the diamond, but those players are generally the really expensive ones and not really the kind of market we've been in. The problem is being unable to unlock established defences, low crosses being the only way we've managed to get the ball in the box at all at the moment. A cynic might suggest Gaston was perfectly suited for that role, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 20 August, 2016 Share Posted 20 August, 2016 What is today's date again? Oh yes that is it, 20th of august 11 days to go. Calm the **** down and breathe. Benteke is certainly not a fit on our system and is grossely overpriced. I'd be questionning our board had we got him at that price. Have a little patience, VVD was signed in the last days of the window. By which time we will have played Watford at home and Sunderland. 2 of most winnable games and we have Europa coming up which will hurt us. Too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 20 August, 2016 Share Posted 20 August, 2016 Absolutely the case that we'd benefit from having a target man on the end of the crosses, but also the case that with a target man who isn't involved in the build-up we'd probably create far fewer opportunities to cross. Personally I think we need a hybrid target man to offer an aerial presence but who can also play in the kind of wide attacking role with the ball on the ground. For me it's worth trying Rodriguez there as I'm not (yet?) convinced he's lost it, unless we have someone specific in mind to do exactly that. I'm more concerned that we don't have a number 10 for a formation that really needs a creative player in the hole/point of the diamond, but those players are generally the really expensive ones and not really the kind of market we've been in. The problem is being unable to unlock established defences, low crosses being the only way we've managed to get the ball in the box at all at the moment. A cynic might suggest Gaston was perfectly suited for that role, of course. What the f*ck is a hybrid target man? Alan Shearer was absolutely useless because he was sh*t out wide! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 Very true, but wouldn't it be better to have signing in place before the season started? We seem to get the exiters sorted tout de suite and gone as soon as the window is open. We don't agree on a lot but this is very true. We sell before we have replacements lined up which is just plain bad management... Have to say we are patently well short of a team now and it's time for action.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 Alan Shearer was absolutely useless because he was sh*t out wide! Yes yes but could he take corners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 He's a great buy for Palace. It's more or less the money they got for Bolasie. Pardew is a shrewd manager. I wouldn't mind him back here, not that he'd return. He did well for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 Very true, but wouldn't it be better to have signing in place before the season started? We seem to get the exiters sorted tout de suite and gone as soon as the window is open. That is the risky game that Les seems to enjoy playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 I think Benteke would score a fair few for us, he would have been a perfect and better replacement for Pelle. I think people forget how good he was for Villa and of course he didn't replicate that form fir Liverpool but he never really had a chance. They were crap under Rogers for his first season and Klopp didn't want him from the start. Peopel talk about systems all day long but systems are so much more about your shape when you haven't got the ball. Going forward in possession should see players look for spaces or runs anywhere on the pitch rather than worry about what side of a ****ing diamond they are on. Benteke is a good player and I can't see why he would have gone to palace over us all things being equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellboysaint Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 Pardew is a shrewd manager. I wouldn't mind him back here, not that he'd return. He did well for us. Agreed - look at his signings - Fonte, Lambert - Pardew is shrewd in the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 By which time we will have played Watford at home and Sunderland. 2 of most winnable games and we have Europa coming up which will hurt us. Too late. Yep, season over... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 Yep, season over... Obviously not over, but it's not going to be pretty. Selling 4 top players and not replacing any of them is obviously only going to go one way. Buckle up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 Obviously not over, but it's not going to be pretty. Selling 4 top players and not replacing any of them is obviously only going to go one way. Buckle up! 4 top players! Have I missed something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 Pardew is a shrewd manager. I wouldn't mind him back here, not that he'd return. He did well for us. They've won something like 2 league games all year . God this place would be unbearable if that happened to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 Very true, but wouldn't it be better to have signing in place before the season started? We seem to get the exiters sorted tout de suite and gone as soon as the window is open. You mean apart from signing Pied, McCarthy, Hojbjerg and Redmond weeks before the season began? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 Everyone is overpriced, keep up and get used to it for god sake, prices aren't going to suddenly drop Benteke in his form pre Liverpool would have been great, and with the crosses we threw at utd's box last night I wouldn't of said he was far away from fitting our system at all Clearly not everyone is over priced. We bought Mane for £11m. And how much was Hojbjerg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 Clearly not everyone is over priced. We bought Mane for £11m. And how much was Hojbjerg? good point trouble is, a couple of years ago, an £11m player had a better chance of being good compared to now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 good point trouble is, a couple of years ago, an £11m player had a better chance of being good compared to now How much did Hojbjerg cost us last month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 Clearly not everyone is over priced. We bought Mane for £11m. And how much was Hojbjerg? Mané was a gamble that paid off but it could easily have gone wrong and there was that early period whilst he was finding his feet. Osvaldo certainly didn't work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 good point trouble is, a couple of years ago, an £11m player had a better chance of being good compared to now Don't get that at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 Mané was a gamble that paid off but it could easily have gone wrong and there was that early period whilst he was finding his feet. Osvaldo certainly didn't work out. Why was it a gamble? We clearly knew what we'd get from him and knew we could develop him. I wish people would stop playing the ''We got lucky'' card, because we didn't. We got there because of solid planning, good scouting and excellent coaching. There's nothing lucky about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 Mané was a gamble that paid off but it could easily have gone wrong and there was that early period whilst he was finding his feet. Osvaldo certainly didn't work out. Your post doesn't make any sense whatsoever I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 Don't get that at all. more and more shyte players are nearing or are becoming £11m to buy.as a result, benteke cost £32m even in the championship now, more teams are starting to spend that sort of money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 How much did Hojbjerg cost us last month? as I said, it you made a good point initially. But going forward, it will be harder and harder (probably rather quickly) to find these players in the same bracket prices go up, but for English clubs, can only see them go up more rapidly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 more and more shyte players are nearing or are becoming £11m to buy.as a result, benteke cost £32m even in the championship now, more teams are starting to spend that sort of money Only if you have a rubbish scouting system and knee-jerking coaches, which we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 Only if you have a rubbish scouting system and knee-jerking coaches, which we don't. well, IMO...sooner rather than later, we are going to have to dine at a table little bit above £8m-12m per player to stay where we are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 as I said, it you made a good point initially. But going forward, it will be harder and harder (probably rather quickly) to find these players in the same bracket prices go up, but for English clubs, can only see them go up more rapidly How much did Hojbjerg cost us last month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 How much did Hojbjerg cost us last month? as I said, it you made a good point initially. But going forward, it will be harder and harder (probably rather quickly) to find these players in the same bracket prices go up, but for English clubs, can only see them go up more rapidly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 as I said, it you made a good point initially. But going forward, it will be harder and harder (probably rather quickly) to find these players in the same bracket prices go up, but for English clubs, can only see them go up more rapidly Not sure why you're trying to avoid or change the subject, each to their own I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show me the mané Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 By which time we will have played Watford at home and Sunderland. 2 of most winnable games and we have Europa coming up which will hurt us. Too late. This. What has happened to the black box? I thought we had targets lined up in advance.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 Your post doesn't make any sense whatsoever I'm afraid. Let's say that there has been a history of foreign imports who have not adapted to or been a success in the Premier League. Many of these have been moved on subsequently at a loss. I certainly don't remember many in here thinking that we'd sell him on for a big markup after only two years. I admit that I had my misgivings myself. Out of Osvaldo, Ramírez and Mané we just about broke even overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 August, 2016 Share Posted 21 August, 2016 Let's say that there has been a history of foreign imports who have not adapted to or been a success in the Premier League. Many of these have been moved on subsequently at a loss. I certainly don't remember many in here thinking that we'd sell him on for a big markup after only two years. I admit that I had my misgivings myself. Out of Osvaldo, Ramírez and Mané we just about broke even overall. No, still no clearer, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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