Gemmel Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 Please put me on Ignore, because that's just complete nonsense. He didn't know if he was having a sh!t or a haircut in the first half and before you tell me he scored our equalizer, I know......... he would have also scored that had he been playing in defense or midfield......... A striker he is not and given our options up front, we don't have the time to try and make him one. As poor a debut as I have ever seen and it wasn't even his fault. He didn't decide he was as striker, we did and we need to change our minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 Shut up you stupid cnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 Ok, I'll put you on ignore. Cheers for the advise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 Yet the stats show be was our best player. Having 5 shots to Longs 1. Go figure. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 I didn't think he was great either to be honest. Early days I know but I can't say I was that impressed today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 Worrying, one of the few posters on here whose opinion I value. Sent from my Hudl 2 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 You do not get the finished article for 11m in this era and very very rarely at 21 years of age. Puel clearly knows talent and he sees him as a striker so right now that's good enough. He showed the instinct of a striker for the goal pulling slightly away from the cross and it paid off....that sort of instinct is not coach able. I suggest Gemmel you have another assessment in a few months. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 I thought he did ok but I wasn't actually at the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st alex Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 Similar age to Jay Rod when we signed him and it took a while for him to find his feet and develop. I think like Jay Rod (and Mane) he'll be effective as a forward/striker/winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 To be honest if you thought Redmond was that bad what the hell did you make of JWP today ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangermouth Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 Thank you. Puel sounds much better on mute. I don't expect the monotone to change: he's French and that's their diction but I do expect his English will improve as you can tell he will continue to work on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo_ARG Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 It was only his first game but there are no reason whatsoever to rave about him. He lost the ball countles times, never found Long. They never connected. I think Redmond and Long are better suited for a counter-attack style with Tadic playing the ball into open space. That may be the scenario againt Man U. But yeah, media will hype because he is young and elgish. Truth is he had an OK second half and a very poor first. The best from him was his finishing, when he played inside the penalty area. Time will tell if he can be more of a creative force unders Puel's diamond shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 I don't think Redmond (or Long )where getting the best of balls today. They need the ball played into space behind the defence instead Redmond was getting balls played into him with his back to goal or aimed at his head he wont do much in those sort of situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 You're right to write him off after one game , particularly as he's only got a scoring record of one in one wearing a saints shirt . Quite frankly he should have hit the ground running and bagged at least a hat-trick . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 So let me get this right. Redman played poorly and scored a goal on his first league appearance for us. SHEET. I hope he doesn't have a blinder next week or we could get relegated.!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 Sell Redmond and reinvest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 So let me get this right. Redman played poorly and scored a goal on his first league appearance for us. SHEET. I hope he doesn't have a blinder next week or we could get relegated.!!!!! Danny Fox scored in the 6-1 at Arsenal. A goal doesn't make a good performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 He scored and earned us a point, but Gemmel is right, he was absoluty dire other than that, though still well ahead of JWP. Hojbjerg on the other hand looked absolute class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 Agree with the OP, was absolutely dreadful in the first half. Just kept giving the ball away. Much better second half and good instinct to get the goal but I do fear he's too small and lightweight to make a big impact through the centre. However, I trust Puel will get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBenali Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 I don't think he played that badly today, but it does worry me that the club are trying to ram it down our throats through player interviews & social media clips of him training that he's a world beater, almost as if they're trying to soften the blow that we're not getting anybody else in, but that Redmond is of enough quality to carry us forward.... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 It's laughable if he turns out our Mane replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 Further prove (if any was needed) that some posters really have no clue about football!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 I am prepared to give him some slack, I don't think Norwich was the best environment for him to develop further, with us he stands a chance of improving into a very good player......... Very few players have failed to improve playing for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meatball Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 If you lot want to talk about **** poor performances the look no further than over half of Mane's games last year. Redmond was wasteful at times but still showed potential, scored one, had one disallowed. Worked tirelessly too. Such ridiculous overreaction. Why don't you people make a thread about how utterly class Tadic and VVD were? Or how Hojberg will likely turn out to be one of the best signings this season? Redmond did ok, and has more to give. Main thing is, he tried, which is more than I can say for the precious Mane for most of last season. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petts Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 I blame Lowe Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 The original Mane thread was golden, started from toe_punt I think. This one may have the makings of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 Further prove (if any was needed) that some posters really have no clue about football!! So if someone disagrees with your opinion then they know nothing about Football ? I thought Redmond looked average other than the goal . Prowse was dreadful . Our new midfielder Hjoberg looks fantastic though . Looked a class above everyone except VVD Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 This thread just goes to show what a joke Saintsweb is at times. Redmond wasn't fantastic by any means, and had some poor moments, but he scored one very well taken goal, put another in the back of the net with a great finish but was marginally offside, forced a good save from their keeper cutting in from the edge of the box, and all in all made a menace of himself for the Watford defense in a way no other Saints player did on the day. What more do you want on his first competitive game playing up front, his full debut for the club at a fairly young age? And you call that average? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangely Brown Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 I thought he struggled in the first half but then again so did everyone else, the passing and general play was dreadful. Second half was a different matter and I think Redmond also seemed to settle into the game, yes he's not the finished article by a long way but with Saints ability to improve players, I would back him to become a really good player for SFC. OK he might not be the next "Terry Henry" but he won't be as bad as many would suggest. Keep the faith even Le Tiss had the occasional off day!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 What's laughable, people making rash judgements after 1 game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 He did well, but would do even better playing a bit wider with more space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 very unfair on him to play him far more centrally and compare him to thierry henry ridiculous for a talented young player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 Gemmel, it is not like you to be so judgemental after one game. The lad was obviously a tad nervous in his first game, and also the pressure is on him to be a goal scorer as we haven't much else. Give him a chance, I don't believe he is an Henry but we need him to do well as our midfield ain't going to score many, and Long is hardly prolific. I saw the highlights and thought that Target put in a few decent crosses that Pelle would have loved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 He played well after the first 30 minutes. Looked out most likely player to score. Personally was impressed so you can put me on ignore mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pass the Dutchie Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 He looked better than Mane in his first game for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 Watching his goal slowed down on MoTD was a hell of a strike with his left foot through a crowd of bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 That was Redmond's worst game for Saints by some distance, he was still one of our better players and scored our only goal. Still doesn't resolve the issue with the squad and formation that we set up to counterattack and then went a goal down, so there was little chance of a counter, and it was far too easy for Watford to defend against us, because there was never any aerial threat so they only had to defend balls on the floor through the back line and it was too easy for them. We were highly unlikely to score from open play and need someone to threaten an outlet in the way Pellè did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 (edited) Danny Fox scored in the 6-1 at Arsenal. A goal doesn't make a good performance. No but playing poorly and still scoring doesn't mean you should drop the player either. At the end of the day its goals that matter. If Redman plays like a Sunday League player for the season but scored 25 I don't see that people would prefer someone who could play everyone off of the pitch but scored nothing. He is a work in progress like Mane and Wanyama and others who come here and we got on their back until they improved and became sensational in the process. Edited 15 August, 2016 by Secret Site Agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 The original Mane thread was golden, started from toe_punt I think. This one may have the makings of it Yep. What gets me is the language used. It's never 'I was a bit disappointed' or 'some of his decision making was poor' but a full on As poor a debut as I have ever seen. If I were Redmond I'd have been quite pleased with my debut: new team mates, first match of the season, a goal and a disallowed one and worked hard. I'm not sure in the circumstances what he as an individual should have done a lot differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 He's potentially a very good player but he's a winger so play him there. It's not rocket science. As for the central striker it has to be Austin for me, the only truly recognised goal scorer we have. Long may have his admirers on here (and I think he does a good job at what he does) but he is not going to give you the goal haul Austin will so it should be a priority that Austin is given as much game time as possible to get him up an running (assuming he's fit). Crazily early to cast doubts on Redmond though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 14 August, 2016 Author Share Posted 14 August, 2016 He's potentially a very good player but he's a winger so play him there. It's not rocket science. Crazily early to cast doubts on Redmond though. Completely agree on both points. I am happy with the signing and potential huge talent .... Out wide. We want our teams and players to be successful and sometimes overly defend them or convince ourselves they are better than they are - Which is fine, part and parcel of being a fan but there was a lot of "emperor clothes" going on yesterday with Redmonds performance. Watching from the Northam (So better placed to comment on the first half as opposed to the second) was almost painful at times, as he just didn't seem to have a clue, from his positioning, to his runs, to his execution or his awareness of others around him, he seemed to be knocked off the ball with complete ease. Now he might end up proving his doubters (As a striker) wrong, but this is my point..... from what I saw yesterday, that's going to take a whole load of time and given the apparent system we play and our current striking options, I don't think we have that time to invest, especially when he could add so much more in a different position. Every player can have a poor game and strikers that have a poor game but end up with the equalizer or winning goal are quite entitled in most cases, to stick two fingers in the air at their dissenters, but for me this wasn't just a poor game, it was someone relearning their trade. And as originally posted - That's not his fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 I agree with the sentiment - we are building a team around him and Redmond is very mediocre. A real sign of how poor he was is how the website has come out supporting him today. OK good to boost his confidence after a shocking first half debut. But who are they trying to kid? Les - he's no Mane. Get over it and get spending - we couldn't beat one of the worst teams in the league at home when they were unfit, hot, knackered and down to 10 men yesterday. Saints aren't kidding me... Redmond is mid range - Les has properly screwed this preseason. We are not good. Oh and our new manager? Early days but very little communication with the players - or tactics. Is Les Reid forcing him to build everything around Redmond??? Does he have his own ideas? I don't know if things will improve.... this time.... But I sense a slaughter at Old Trafford. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 I agree with the sentiment - we are building a team around him and Redmond is very mediocre. A real sign of how poor he was is how the website has come out supporting him today. OK good to boost his confidence after a shocking first half debut. But who are they trying to kid? Les - he's no Mane. Get over it and get spending - we couldn't beat one of the worst teams in the league at home when they were unfit, hot, knackered and down to 10 men yesterday. Saints aren't kidding me... Redmond is mid range - Les has properly screwed this preseason. We are not good. Oh and our new manager? Early days but very little communication with the players - or tactics. Is Les Reid forcing him to build everything around Redmond??? Does he have his own ideas? I don't know if things will improve.... this time.... But I sense a slaughter at Old Trafford. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 0.5/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 I agree with the sentiment - we are building a team around him and Redmond is very mediocre. A real sign of how poor he was is how the website has come out supporting him today. OK good to boost his confidence after a shocking first half debut. But who are they trying to kid? Les - he's no Mane. Get over it and get spending - we couldn't beat one of the worst teams in the league at home when they were unfit, hot, knackered and down to 10 men yesterday. Saints aren't kidding me... Redmond is mid range - Les has properly screwed this preseason. We are not good. Oh and our new manager? Early days but very little communication with the players - or tactics. Is Les Reid forcing him to build everything around Redmond??? Does he have his own ideas? I don't know if things will improve.... this time.... But I sense a slaughter at Old Trafford. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk It's a 0.25 for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 SaintRobbie needs to check into a mental hospital or something, bloke is a loon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 1/10 for Saint robbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 1/10 for Saint robbie Don't think hes a troll, just thick. Form for it all the way back to Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 Please put me on Ignore, because that's just complete nonsense. He didn't know if he was having a sh!t or a haircut in the first half and before you tell me he scored our equalizer, I know......... he would have also scored that had he been playing in defense or midfield......... A striker he is not and given our options up front, we don't have the time to try and make him one. As poor a debut as I have ever seen and it wasn't even his fault. He didn't decide he was as striker, we did and we need to change our minds. I think what you have posted was fine and I agree with it. There's a few of the usual posters who are very defensive of Puel because they know the fanbase as a whole aren't sure about him which is why they refuse any early concerns, however valid or articulate. Yesterday was 2 dropped points because Puel was desperate to show us he was different to Ronald. Redmond as a striker without having retrained him over a season was one, JWP in front of PEH - who looked brilliant to me when he came on - the weird diamond formation that negated the team's strengths. Hopefully Puel will settle and Dave Watson can remind him of what our strengths are. Good management, when you inherit something that's working well, is adding value over time. The game was a mixed bag. Positives were Tadic, PEH, Redmond second half, Targett and VVD. JWP needs to go out on loan to the Championship, at best he has stalled and he may be going backwards. A fresh environment and expectation to be one of th best players at the level down plus physically building up will do the world of good and that's the truth whether MLG likes it or not. Hopefully we can the striker and wide player we clearly need before the end of the window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 I only saw part of the second half and the motd highlights, redmond looked sharp, keen and dangerous to me. Maybe he was carp in the first half, I don't know apart from the brief highlights on the beeb, but second half he looked very good. Obviously it's going to take some time for him to get used to the other players, playing relationships don't develop immediately, but I was pretty impressed. I don't understand the negativity after one prem game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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