Noodles34 Posted 12 August, 2016 Share Posted 12 August, 2016 I see the Echo are quoting Ms Liebherr in Duncan's new book, she wrote the foreword and talks about how proud she is of where we are now. She also talks very fondly about how her father had a vision of where he wanted us to be. As someone initially sceptical when she took over it seems like many of the doubters were wrong. I think she is here for the long run now and she is serious about wanting to do well. I wonder what her real long term plan is though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 12 August, 2016 Share Posted 12 August, 2016 I see the Echo are quoting Ms Liebherr in Duncan's new book, she wrote the foreword and talks about how proud she is of where we are now. She also talks very fondly about how her father had a vision of where he wanted us to be. As someone initially sceptical when she took over it seems like many of the doubters were wrong. I think she is here for the long run now and she is serious about wanting to do well. I wonder what her real long term plan is though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 August, 2016 Share Posted 12 August, 2016 As Del boy would say 'its a nice little earner, Rodney' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 12 August, 2016 Share Posted 12 August, 2016 As Del boy would say 'its a nice little earner, Rodney' Should she do it for free then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 12 August, 2016 Share Posted 12 August, 2016 Yeah lets get in Cellino....some of our fans are real *****s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 12 August, 2016 Author Share Posted 12 August, 2016 Dont get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 12 August, 2016 Share Posted 12 August, 2016 Dont get it? I think it's fairly obvious. Goat boy wants to undress Kat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 12 August, 2016 Share Posted 12 August, 2016 I think it's fairly obvious. Goat boy wants to undress Kat. He`s a goat he will eat her ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Forest Steve Posted 12 August, 2016 Share Posted 12 August, 2016 Dont get it? I do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 12 August, 2016 Share Posted 12 August, 2016 I do Whooshed me. Explain pl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 August, 2016 Share Posted 12 August, 2016 Should she do it for free then?No, it is her business and she gets a great return, but excuse me for not worshipping the ground she walks on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 12 August, 2016 Share Posted 12 August, 2016 No, it is her business and she gets a great return, but excuse me for not worshipping the ground she walks on. Who is then..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 12 August, 2016 Share Posted 12 August, 2016 Whooshed me. Explain pl Big Kat's 'real long term plan' is to get into a size 8. Wasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 12 August, 2016 Share Posted 12 August, 2016 tsk. Too cerebral for me Goaty. I thought she was doing her dirty laundry in public (not that that one made any sense) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 12 August, 2016 Share Posted 12 August, 2016 You'd think Kat could afford a nicer dress than that. The fabric looks like the seat cushions on a bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 12 August, 2016 Share Posted 12 August, 2016 Goatboy reminds me of Bearsy..... with the comedy gene removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 She needs to start investing in the club instead of pocketing transfer profits. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmonkey1979 Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 She needs to start investing in the club instead of pocketing transfer profits. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Do you actually understand how businesses and the associated accounts actually work? If this were happening, and if this were even possible, it would show in the annual accounts. If it were to happen, it would be investigated by the fraud office and sanctions would be placed on the owner/directorship. As none of this is happening, I would say it is safe to assume that your accusation is based on pure paranoia and possibly corporate ignorance. Also, let's not forget how much money the Liebherr family have invested in our football club. Also, on forget that Katerina actually converted money owed to her into equity, so it didn't actually damage the club or have a negative effect on club finances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so22saint Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 Do you actually understand how businesses and the associated accounts actually work? If this were happening, and if this were even possible, it would show in the annual accounts. If it were to happen, it would be investigated by the fraud office and sanctions would be placed on the owner/directorship. As none of this is happening, I would say it is safe to assume that your accusation is based on pure paranoia and possibly corporate ignorance. Also, let's not forget how much money the Liebherr family have invested in our football club. Also, on forget that Katerina actually converted money owed to her into equity, so it didn't actually damage the club or have a negative effect on club finances. never underestimate how thick the general public can be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 She needs to start investing in the club instead of pocketing transfer profits. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Here's a suggestion. Why don't you get some money together and then offer to buy the club off her? Then you could put in all the investment that you wanted to. Anyway, anyone who invested would expect a return on that investment. It's her club, she can follow any policy that she likes, within the limits of the law and the football regulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 And she hasn't taken a single penny out of the club or transfer fees. Her profit is "on paper" due to the increase in the value of her shares, if she sells them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 And she hasn't taken a single penny out of the club or transfer fees. Her profit is "on paper" due to the increase in the value of her shares, if she sells them.does she get interest on her loan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 does she get interest on her loan? Does it matter? Do you want to go and support Hull, Leeds or one of the other clubs who have arguably worse run setups than ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 does she get interest on her loan? She can if she wants to but it must be at a commercial rate. In most cases where there is a loan to the company no interest is paid. Sometimes there can be very complicated arrangements between holding companies and their subsidiaries, Top Shop and the like, but football company finance is notoriously intricate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 Does it matter? Do you want to go and support Hull, Leeds or one of the other clubs who have arguably worse run setups than ourselves. there are good and bad ones, perhaps having one that will go a little more for success would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 there are good and bad ones, perhaps having one that will go a little more for success would be nice. So, spending lots of money equals success then, is what you're saying? Easy football manager logic, but rarely the reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 She can if she wants to but it must be at a commercial rate. In most cases where there is a loan to the company no interest is paid. Sometimes there can be very complicated arrangements between holding companies and their subsidiaries, Top Shop and the like, but football company finance is notoriously intricate. yes and I assume there could be a brass plate on the wall in the Virgin Islands or the like for a holding company to draw income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 So, spending lots of money equals success then, is what you're saying? Easy football manager logic, but rarely the reality. If you say so, but it is not spending lots of money but in any business the better quality of the raw material the better the finish. I cant seem any fans out there saying we have a squad of the same ability as last season, add to that the extra games we have to play. Ralph told us that the money in in the first cull would be spent, that never materialised and it hasn't since. Yes you may say we had a better season on season finish but that was during a couple of seasons where the top teams were in flux. Things have changed and the chance we had has slipped away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 there are good and bad ones, perhaps having one that will go a little more for success would be nice. Pretty spectacular how thick some people are on here. But you're bloody consistent anyway. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 So, spending lots of money equals success then, is what you're saying? Easy football manager logic, but rarely the reality. Actually that is reality..for example name one club which spent significantly more than us that we have consistanly finished higher than in the last ten years? Why are the big 6 the big 6? It's because they can spend more on players than the others! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 Actually that is reality..for example name one club which spent significantly more than us that we have consistanly finished higher than in the last ten years? Why are the big 6 the big 6? It's because they can spend more on players than the others! Yet we managed to finish 6th last year by not spending much. If we haven't got the finances to push, why demand we do? I prefer to have a football club setup for the long-term, rather than being run by people who hold a short-termist (money is all it's about) attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 Yet we managed to finish 6th last year by not spending much. If we haven't got the finances to push, why demand we do? I prefer to have a football club setup for the long-term, rather than being run by people who hold a short-termist (money is all it's about) attitude. And with a tad more quality in the side, would have easily been top 4. The argument works both ways. Are you happy with the squad relative to last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 Pretty spectacular how thick some people are on here. But you're bloody consistent anyway. Well done. you maybe right there CB, but you are just a club suck up and you'd let them dump in your mouth and you'd say thank-you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 you maybe right there CB, but you are just a club suck up and you'd let them dump in your mouth and you'd say thank-you. How many times have you read on here that she converted her loans to equity? Do you know what that means? And no, you don't get interest on equity. You can get dividends, but so far she hasn't had any. Are you still confused about anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 How many times have you read on here that she converted her loans to equity? Do you know what that means? And no, you don't get interest on equity. You can get dividends, but so far she hasn't had any. Are you still confused about anything?Iam confused why you replied to a post to CB Fry, are you the one who is confused? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 you maybe right there CB, but you are just a club suck up and you'd let them dump in your mouth and you'd say thank-you. You're comparing finishing sixth in the fu cking league to a "dump in the mouth"? That's why you're an effing idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 You're comparing finishing sixth in the fu cking league to a "dump in the mouth"? That's why you're an effing idiot.no I was right the first time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 no I was right the first time CB was right. You really are not the brightest and come out with utter crap consistently. I'm glad we're run the right way - or have you forgotten what happened when your idol Mike Wilde took over? That ended really well didn't it? Unbelievable........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 CB was right. You really are not the brightest and come out with utter crap consistently. I'm glad we're run the right way - or have you forgotten what happened when your idol Mike Wilde took over? That ended really well didn't it? Unbelievable........ I think its all a little complicated for OldNick. Poor chap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 WYet we managed to finish 6th last year by not spending much. If we haven't got the finances to push, why demand we do? I prefer to have a football club setup for the long-term, rather than being run by people who hold a short-termist (money is all it's about) attitude. We spent nearly 100 million pounds? Mane, Pelle, Austin, Forster, Wanyama, Bertrand, Cedric, VVD, Clasie, Long..do I need to go on? That's how we finished sixth not by spending peanuts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 no I was right the first time You're beyond a simpleton. Describing the experience of supporting a family owned football club delivering season after season of success culminating in a seventh and then sixth place finish and arguably our most successful period in our entire history with being "dumped in the mouth" is beyond any explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 You're beyond a simpleton. Describing the experience of supporting a family owned football club delivering season after season of success culminating in a seventh and then sixth place finish and arguably our most successful period in our entire history with being "dumped in the mouth" is beyond any explanation. No it was just an observation of you, nobody else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 CB was right. You really are not the brightest and come out with utter crap consistently. I'm glad we're run the right way - or have you forgotten what happened when your idol Mike Wilde took over? That ended really well didn't it? Unbelievable........ahh another of the clubs men. I was never part of the Go Wilde fools thanks very much.I don't get taken in by the hype and the PR these people dream up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 No it was just an observation of you, nobody else Except your "observation" doesn't work unless you believe the management of the football club have been "dumping on our mouths". It's almost pitiful how thick you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 Except your "observation" doesn't work unless you believe the management of the football club have been "dumping on our mouths". It's almost pitiful how thick you are.No let me say this again so that you can eventually digest it , my comment was about you and nobody else. You are a psycophant of the highest order, you are unable to question anything the club does and blindly come on to try and insult anybody who rightly or wrongly has a different opinion on how the club is run. I have disagreed with many opinions on here ove the years and do my best to be civil, you are not bright or curteous enough to be civil to others, therefore i have to trawl the depths in remarks to you so that I can get to your level. Oh and just for the record, I am a very successful idiot, fool, simpleton. BTW, it is not the most successful period in our clubs history, there was life before the PL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 No let me say this again so that you can eventually digest it , my comment was about you and nobody else. You are a psycophant of the highest order, you are unable to question anything the club does and blindly come on to try and insult anybody who rightly or wrongly has a different opinion on how the club is run. I have disagreed with many opinions on here ove the years and do my best to be civil, you are not bright or curteous enough to be civil to others, therefore i have to trawl the depths in remarks to you so that I can get to your level. Oh and just for the record, I am a very successful idiot, fool, simpleton. BTW, it is not the most successful period in our clubs history, there was life before the PL More drivel. I question the club plenty on here, and have done this season. Your accusation cannot just "apply to me" because it only makes sense if you can demonstrate exactly when the club have "dumped" in anyone's "mouth". I can see the point you are trying to make - I'll defend the club whatever - but the dumping in the mouth thing suggests that I am defending a corrupt, useless regime of total failure. The only thing that is very, very clear from your comments on this thread is just how much you despise the success of the last couple of years. You can see on every sour-faced petulent post you have made on the management on this club, who, far from "dumping" in anyone's "mouth" has delivered almost unprecedented success over the last few years. The fact you have to make out we are all living through some supporters hell where we're being dumped in the mouth which only I am blindly defending is beyond pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 And she hasn't taken a single penny out of the club or transfer fees. Her profit is "on paper" due to the increase in the value of her shares, if she sells them. That's not quite true. In the last set of accounts just under 2 million has been paid back to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 I am usually very quick to criticise as many of you know but when it comes to Katherina I can find no fault. Never let us down, loves the club, puts her hand in her pocket (Staplewood) when needed and no ego. Owners like her do not grow on trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 15 August, 2016 Share Posted 15 August, 2016 I am usually very quick to criticise as many of you know but when it comes to Katherina I can find no fault. Never let us down, loves the club, puts her hand in her pocket (Staplewood) when needed and no ego. Owners like her do not grow on trees. And that is what so many of the Football Manager fantasists just don't get FF. We are really, really fortunate to have such a good owner and we should be thankful we are living within our means to give us the greatest chance of financial stability and evolving success. We are never going to be able to compete financially with Man C, Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea, etc. but as we showed last year (and the year before) it is not all about how deep your pockets are. All this drivel about us needing to spend more to show 'ambition' and whining about how unfair it is we don't spend more. Will temper that with saying it is a few 'fans' on message boards and so hopefully not a reflection of the majority of fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 15 August, 2016 Author Share Posted 15 August, 2016 is this all because we didnt win our first game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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