Matthew Le God Posted 3 August, 2016 Share Posted 3 August, 2016 Gap left for 12, 19 and 20... 1. Fraser Forster 2. Cédric 3. Maya Yoshida 4. Jordy Clasie 5. Florin Gardos 6. José Fonte 7. Shane Long 8. Steven Davis 9. Jay Rodriguez 10. Charlie Austin 11. Dušan Tadić 13. Alex McCarthy 14. Oriol Romeu 15. Cuco Martina 16. James Ward-Prowse 17. Virgil van Dijk 18. Harrison Reed 21. Ryan Bertrand 22. Nathan Redmond 23. Pierre-Emile Højbjerg 24. Jack Stephens 26. Jérémy Pied 27. Lloyd Isgrove 32. Olufela Olomola 33. Matt Targett 35. Alfie Jones 36. Jordan Turnbull 38. Sam McQueen 39. Josh Sims 40. Sam Gallagher 41. Harry Lewis 42. Jake Hesketh 43. Yan Valery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 3 August, 2016 Share Posted 3 August, 2016 12 19 and 20 left for new signings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 3 August, 2016 Share Posted 3 August, 2016 I have this weird thing where I don't like a striker being "No.10". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 August, 2016 Author Share Posted 3 August, 2016 I have this weird thing where I don't like a striker being "No.10". Why? English football in a 442 with 1-11 numbers tended to be... 1 keeper 2 right back 3 left back 4 centre back or central midfield 5 centre back 6 centre back or central midfield 7 right midfield 8 central midfield 9 striker 10 striker 11 left midfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 3 August, 2016 Share Posted 3 August, 2016 Why? English football in a 442 with 1-11 numbers tended to be... 1 keeper 2 right back 3 left back 4 centre back or central midfield 5 centre back 6 centre back or central midfield 7 right midfield 8 central midfield 9 striker 10 striker 11 left midfield I know MLG - That's why it's weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 3 August, 2016 Share Posted 3 August, 2016 Why? English football in a 442 with 1-11 numbers tended to be... 1 keeper 2 right back 3 left back 4 centre back or central midfield 5 centre back 6 centre back or central midfield 7 right midfield 8 central midfield 9 striker 10 striker 11 left midfield Not for us oldies!! 8 and 10 were the other way around. 8 was 2nd striker from inside right days, a la Mick Channon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 August, 2016 Share Posted 3 August, 2016 Not for us oldies!! 8 and 10 were the other way around. 8 was 2nd striker from inside right days, a la Mick Channon. For the really oldies it's even easier. Goalkeepers didn't usually have a number but let it go at 1 anyway. 2+3 full backs, 4, 5 and 6 halfbacks, right, centre and left , 7-11 forwards from outside right to outside left in that order. Then people had to start with midfield schemers and two centre backs to totally confuse the affair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 August, 2016 Share Posted 3 August, 2016 suggests to me no-one else of significance will be signed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 3 August, 2016 Share Posted 3 August, 2016 suggests to me no-one else of significance will be signed MELTDOWN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 3 August, 2016 Share Posted 3 August, 2016 suggests to me no-one else of significance will be signed Why? #1 to #11 aren't the top 11 stars in the team. VVD is #17, RB is #21 etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 August, 2016 Share Posted 3 August, 2016 Why? English football in a 442 with 1-11 numbers tended to be... 1 keeper 2 right back 3 left back 4 centre back or central midfield 5 centre back 6 centre back or central midfield 7 right midfield 8 central midfield 9 striker 10 striker 11 left midfield Not for us oldies!! 8 and 10 were the other way around. 8 was 2nd striker from inside right days, a la Mick Channon. For the really oldies it's even easier. Goalkeepers didn't usually have a number but let it go at 1 anyway. 2+3 full backs, 4, 5 and 6 halfbacks, right, centre and left , 7-11 forwards from outside right to outside left in that order. Then people had to start with midfield schemers and two centre backs to totally confuse the affair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over land and sea Posted 3 August, 2016 Share Posted 3 August, 2016 Basically any U21 that wasn't selected for the pre-season tour hasn't got a squad number. Last year a few U21s were allocated numbers when the Europa League list had to be submitted 29 Mugabi 30 Wood 31 Little 34 Flannigan 35 Debayo 37 Willard 45 Seager 46 Gape 47 Barnes That could happen again - apart from Debayo they could all keep the same number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 3 August, 2016 Share Posted 3 August, 2016 I count 22 players who need to be named for the squad of 25 there. Home Grown certainly isn't an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over land and sea Posted 3 August, 2016 Share Posted 3 August, 2016 The 25 man squad varies slightly depending on whether you're talking about the Premier League or the Europa League - see post 105 here: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?56552-Europa-League-2016-2017/page3#.V6JBb1R4WJI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 3 August, 2016 Share Posted 3 August, 2016 Why? English football in a 442 with 1-11 numbers tended to be... 1 keeper 2 right back 3 left back 4 centre back or central midfield 5 centre back 6 centre back or central midfield 7 right midfield 8 central midfield 9 striker 10 striker 11 left midfield No 8 for me, was traditionally a striker . It must be an age thing having grown up with Channon there. 10 was more likely a midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowers-sfc Posted 3 August, 2016 Share Posted 3 August, 2016 For anybody that's interested... Cedric wanted number 20 and isn't happy that he hasn't got it when it's currently not in use. Also 3 other plays that kicked up about squad numbers apparently. I was told some players have their numbers actually in their contract. Wouldn't surprise me if Virgil being unhappy with 17 and maybe wanting 5? ( Gardos ) just passing on what I heard. No idea how true it is but there you go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr27 Posted 4 August, 2016 Share Posted 4 August, 2016 Bertrand I guess has 21 as it's 2+1 = 3 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish fingers Posted 4 August, 2016 Share Posted 4 August, 2016 For anybody that's interested... Cedric wanted number 20 and isn't happy that he hasn't got it when it's currently not in use. Also 3 other plays that kicked up about squad numbers apparently. I was told some players have their numbers actually in their contract. Wouldn't surprise me if Virgil being unhappy with 17 and maybe wanting 5? ( Gardos ) just passing on what I heard. No idea how true it is but there you go pathetic if true. Shirt numbers mean F*** all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 4 August, 2016 Share Posted 4 August, 2016 suggests to me no-one else of significance will be signed :lol:even for you, that's some serious bed wetting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 4 August, 2016 Share Posted 4 August, 2016 For anybody that's interested... Cedric wanted number 20 and isn't happy that he hasn't got it when it's currently not in use. Also 3 other plays that kicked up about squad numbers apparently. I was told some players have their numbers actually in their contract. Wouldn't surprise me if Virgil being unhappy with 17 and maybe wanting 5? ( Gardos ) just passing on what I heard. No idea how true it is but there you go Bruma is number 20 for Galatasaray so could be keeping it free for him? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruma_(footballer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 4 August, 2016 Share Posted 4 August, 2016 Should be Alphabetical like the Argies in '78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 4 August, 2016 Share Posted 4 August, 2016 Should be Alphabetical like the Argies in '78 Around the same time the Dutch used to have a goalie who wore 8 - Jan Jongbloed (sp?) or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 4 August, 2016 Share Posted 4 August, 2016 Around the same time the Dutch used to have a goalie who wore 8 - Jan Jongbloed (sp?) or something like that. Sidney's brother. If only I could... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 August, 2016 Share Posted 4 August, 2016 pathetic if true. Shirt numbers mean F*** all. Outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 August, 2016 Share Posted 4 August, 2016 Shirt numbers is definitely an age thing, I always relate the two up top to 9 and 10 from my late 70s-early 80s childhood. Creative number 10s were a thing for funny foreign types and Glenn Hoddle when I was a kid. As it happens my antipathy for 10 is nearly as strong as my affinity for 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 4 August, 2016 Share Posted 4 August, 2016 From my mid eighties recollection: 4-4-2 1 2 5 6 3 7 4 8 11 9 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 August, 2016 Share Posted 4 August, 2016 From my mid eighties recollection: 4-4-2 1 2 5 6 3 7 4 8 11 9 10 Yeah, basically. There was a bit of mucking around with 7 at Man United and Liverpool with Robson and Dalglish, and I seem to recall Everton's centre backs featuring Kevin Ratcliffe wearing 4, but even then players had numbers they liked (and Brazilian CBs always wear 4 due to the different way the half-back position was resolved over there). Mark Hughes was the classic striker number 10 of the era when they were always on the box. The 4 was more likely to be a defensive-minded midfielder than the 8 in normal 4-4-2s as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 August, 2016 Author Share Posted 4 August, 2016 English football in a 442 with 1-11 numbers tended to be... 1 keeper 2 right back 3 left back 4 centre back or central midfield 5 centre back 6 centre back or central midfield 7 right midfield 8 central midfield 9 striker 10 striker 11 left midfield Not for us oldies!! 8 and 10 were the other way around. 8 was 2nd striker from inside right days, a la Mick Channon. From my mid eighties recollection: 4-4-2 1 2 5 6 3 7 4 8 11 9 10 Cheers, St Chalet that is what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 4 August, 2016 Share Posted 4 August, 2016 In the Saints team promoted in 1960 Davies 2 Page 5 Traynor 3 Huxford 6 was the defensive half back. in the middle Connors 4 Mulgrew/Clifton 10 with Paine 7 and Sydenham 11 wide and Reeves 9 and O'Brien 8 as central goal scorers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 4 August, 2016 Share Posted 4 August, 2016 In the Saints team promoted in 1960 Davies 2 Page 5 Traynor 3 Huxford 6 was the defensive half back. in the middle Connors 4 Mulgrew/Clifton 10 with Paine 7 and Sydenham 11 wide and Reeves 9 and O'Brien 8 as central goal scorers. I'm with 8 being striker (Channon) and 10 being midfield (McCalliog). 4 is defensive mid, or right half if you want, 5 and 6 centre backs, 2 and 3 right and left back respectively. Showing my age, but thats how I've always considered 8 and 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 4 August, 2016 Share Posted 4 August, 2016 10. Jimmy Melia, Brian O'Neill. Jim McCalliog. Nick Holmes. David Armstrong. 8. Martin Chivers. Micky Channon. Phil Boyer. Steve Moran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 4 August, 2016 Share Posted 4 August, 2016 Mid 60's to Mid 80's, amongst others; No 8, O'Brien, Chivers, Channon, Boyer, Channon again, Moran, Curtis. All strikers. No. 10, Melia, O'Neill, O'Brien, McCalliog, Williams, Holmes, Moran, Armstrong. Mostly midfielders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 4 August, 2016 Share Posted 4 August, 2016 Mid 60's to Mid 80's, amongst others; No 8, O'Brien, Chivers, Channon, Boyer, Channon again, Moran, Curtis. All strikers. No. 10, Melia, O'Neill, O'Brien, McCalliog, Williams, Holmes, Moran, Armstrong. Mostly midfielders. Until the day Melia put on a 9 and nobody knew who to mark, while the forwards ran riot against Wolves 9-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 4 August, 2016 Share Posted 4 August, 2016 I'm sure Terry Paine wore 10 when he was dropped back into midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over land and sea Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 (edited) In the club shop where they sell the shirts their display has a (nearly) full list and is showing numbers for 30 Wood 31 Little 34 Flannigan 35 Debayo 37 Willard 45 Seager 46 Gape However, Debayo must be an error as Jones has taken 35. The guy behind the counter said that these were the numbers they had been given. Some players were missing including 13 Alex McCarthy and 32 Olomola. Not even sure that Hojbjerg was listed. Edited 13 August, 2016 by Over land and sea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over land and sea Posted 13 August, 2016 Share Posted 13 August, 2016 (edited) https://www.premierleague.com/news/69430 The Premier League have published a full list of squad numbers for each club - see link above. There are numerous additions to the initial list published by the club (shown in bold). All the U23s (apart from players on loan) are listed as are many of the second year scholars and even a few of the first year scholars. Here is the full list: 1 Forster, Fraser Gerard 2 Alves Soares (Cedric), Cedric Ricardo 3 Yoshida, Maya 4 Clasie, Jordy 5 Gardos, Florin 6 Fonte, Jose Miguel - now West Ham 7 Long, Shane Patrick 8 Davis (Davis S), Steven 9 Rodriguez, Jay Enriqus 10 Austin, Charlie 11 Tadic, Dusan 12 Cáceres, Martín 13 McCarthy, Alex Simon 14 Vidal (Romeu), Oriol Romeu 15 Martina, Rhu-endly Aurelio Jean-Carlo 16 Ward-Prowse, James Michael Edward 17 Van Dijk (Virgil), Virgil 18 Reed, Harrison James 19 Boufal, Sofiane 20 Gabbiadini, Monolo 21 Bertrand, Ryan 22 Redmond, Nathan Daniel Jerome 23 Hojbjerg, Pierre Emile Kordt 24 Stephens, Jack 25 26 Pied, Jeremy 27 Isgrove, Lloyd Jeffrey 28 Taylor, Stuart 29 30 Wood, William Nicholas 31 Little, Armani 32 Olomola, Olufela 33 Targett, Matthew Robert 34 Flannigan, Jake 35 Jones, Alfie 36 Turnbull, Jordan Robert - subsequently signed for Coventry 37 Willard, Harley Bryn 38 McQueen, Samuel James 39 Sims, Joshua Samuel 40 Hassen, Mouez 41 Lewis, Harry Charles John 42 Hesketh, Jake Alexander 43 Valery, Yan 44 Barnes, Marcus Thomas 45 Seager, Ryan Paul 46 Gape, Dominic Edward - initially on loan with Wycombe Wanderers until early January 2017 when he signed for them permanently 47 Bakary, Mohamed Richard 48 Cook, Oliver David Paul 49 O'Connor, Thomas James 50 Rowthorn, Ben John 51 Johnson, Tyreke Martin 52 Nlundulu, Dan 53 Thomas, Archie Alexander 54 Mdlalose, Siphesihle Thembinkosi 55 Slattery, Callum 56 Parkes, Adam Darren 57 Vokins, Jake 58 O'Driscoll, Aaron 59 Afolabi, Jonathan 60 Smallbone, William Anthony Patrick 61 Obafemi, Michael Oluwadurotimi Without numbers McCarthy, Jason Sean (season loan at Walsall) Gazzaniga, Paulo (season loan in Spain) Gallagher, Samuel James (originally allocated 40 but subsequently went on a season loan at Blackburn) Scholars Cull, Benjamin Simon (alloacted 60 for Europa League) Langan, Connor John (alloacted 61 for Europa League) Latham, Kingsley Finn Bradley Green, Jamie Cull, Alexander Davis, Harrison Freeman, Kieran Gardner, Oliver Hale, Harlem Hamblin, Harry Mark Klarer, Christoph Musendo, Rugare David Osborn, Neal Paul Sean Siu, Javen Michael Tella, Nathan Edit: Players at numbers 12, 20, 40, 59, 60 and 61 were added after the publication of the Premier League list. Edited 22 April, 2017 by Over land and sea Nathan Tella arrival Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over land and sea Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 Debayo's omission explained - he's been on trial at Leicester for the last few weeks. Although we offered him a contract extension at the end of last season it looks like he hasn't signed one. Not mentioned on the OS and he's still shown in the U23 profiles (which are always pretty unreliable). http://www.allnigeriasoccer.com/read_news.php?nid=19753 http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/100930-lcfc-u21-development-squad-stuff-it-in-here/?page=20 The second article appears to show that Will Wood may also be on trial there, though that appears to be guess work from having a left back trialist called "Wood" and assuming he's from Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 I'm looking forward to the club announcing completely different shirt numbers for the Europa League, just to f'ck with us. It's not unprecedented either, a few clubs have used slightly different numbers for youth players in Europe compared to domestic fixtures (probably something to do with consecutive numbering rules, but who knows...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over land and sea Posted 14 August, 2016 Share Posted 14 August, 2016 (edited) The reason so many players have been allocated squad numbers is that we are using squad numbers for the Checkatrade Trophy which is an U21 competition. Some of the U21s with squad numbers are not eligible as U21s for the Europa League and will need to be omitted omitted from the EL squad or included in the main A list. That includes Valery, Lewis, Hojbjerg as welll as O'Connor, Thomas and O'Driscoll. Of the scholars without squad numbers Osborn, Cull, Siu, Gardner, Cull, Hamblin have been at the club for more than two years and are eligible as U21 in the EL - the others haven't been at the club long enough. So I suppose any of these could be added when the EL numbers are confirmed. Edited 12 November, 2016 by Over land and sea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over land and sea Posted 15 September, 2016 Share Posted 15 September, 2016 (edited) http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2017/clubs/club=52923/squad/index.html#ui-tabs-tab_TeamsSquad One further addition to the squad numbers now that the Europa League squad has been published - Connor Langan at 61. Edited 12 November, 2016 by Over land and sea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over land and sea Posted 12 November, 2016 Share Posted 12 November, 2016 I've updated the post 36 to show additional squad numbers as a result of the Checkatrade Trophy - I wonder how high we will get! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over land and sea Posted 20 November, 2016 Share Posted 20 November, 2016 I'm looking forward to the club announcing completely different shirt numbers for the Europa League, just to f'ck with us. It's not unprecedented either, a few clubs have used slightly different numbers for youth players in Europe compared to domestic fixtures (probably something to do with consecutive numbering rules, but who knows...). The updated UEFA site now shows Ben Cull as number 60 even though Will Smallbone wore 60 in the Checkatrade. http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2017/clubs/club=52923/squad/index.html#ui-tabs-tab_TeamsSquad But that's the only example of a different number. The information may be unreliable as it shows Ben Cull as a goalkeeper when he's actually a left back. His brother Alex is a goalkeeper. Good to see Ryan Seager added to the UEFA squad as well - hopefully a sign he's making progress from injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over land and sea Posted 1 February, 2017 Share Posted 1 February, 2017 Post 36 updated to show the numbers for the two players signed yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over land and sea Posted 3 February, 2017 Share Posted 3 February, 2017 (edited) Updated 25 man squad lists for all PL teams published on the PL website. No surprises. Gabbiadini replaces Fonte in our 23 man squad. There are three additions to the U21 list compared with September: Jonathan Afolabi (seems to have been omitted in error last time!), Mouez Hassen and Kingsley Latham (who started in goal for U23s the other night). http://Www.premierleague.com/news/322804 I suspect next year we will have a full 25 man squad as several who currently qualify as under 21s will not qualify: Matt Targett Sam McQueen Harry Reed Pierre Højbjerg Sam Gallagher Mouez Hussen (if loan extended) Jason McCarthy (if contract extended) Paulo Gazzaniga may also return. Even after you take out all those out of contract we slightly exceed 25 Edited 4 February, 2017 by Over land and sea Correct typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint77 Posted 3 February, 2017 Share Posted 3 February, 2017 Updated 25 man squad lists for all PL teams published on the PL website. No surprises. Gabbiadini replaces Fonte in our 23 man squad. There are three additions to the U21 list compared with September: Jonathan Afolabi (seems to have been omitted in error last time!), Mouez Hassen and Kingsley Latham (who started in goal for U23s the other night). http://Www.premierleague.com/news/322804 so we have a spare place for a freebie do we ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 3 February, 2017 Share Posted 3 February, 2017 Will have to start making decisions on the long term futures of the likes of Reed, McCarthy and Gallagher in the summer. Still amazed Reed has never gone out on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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