Turkish Posted 1 August, 2016 Share Posted 1 August, 2016 Isn't it great to see the club doing so well off the pitch. Our last figures showed commercial income was up to £10m. I'd expect to see that figure double now the we've signed 3 large commercial deals recently with Under Armour, the 7th biggest shirt sponsorship deal in the premier league with Virign media and the recent deal with sportpesa with multimillion pound figures muted for that as well. It seems wreck it Ralph is doing a good job on this front and we've come an awful long way since the worlds greatest businessman, the most driven and ambitious CEO who ever lived had to give the shirt sponsorship deal to the largest recruitment consultants in chilworth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 1 August, 2016 Share Posted 1 August, 2016 [emoji106] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 2 August, 2016 Share Posted 2 August, 2016 Oh dear, one day you might realise that everyone has moved on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 August, 2016 Author Share Posted 2 August, 2016 Oh dear, one day you might realise that everyone has moved on. You haven't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 2 August, 2016 Share Posted 2 August, 2016 It's been nothing short of a miracle. When we were run by the greatest football businessman the world had ever seen we were still tracking behind then-Championship Watford in the commercial revenue stakes so I could only conclude that was the best we could ever do, especially as we were employing the only technique that can ever succeed in business of generally being a total pig-headed pri ck to any stakeholders or potential partners. The fact we are now smashing that number and leaving Watford behind means I can only conclude it's just all a lucky flukey fluke from people who will get found out eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 2 August, 2016 Share Posted 2 August, 2016 Does this mean we're now more like a 4* city centre hotel than a seaside B&B? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 2 August, 2016 Share Posted 2 August, 2016 Does this mean we're now more like a 4* city centre hotel than a seaside B&B? As long as whatever we are hasn't got wheels on it, I'm happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 2 August, 2016 Share Posted 2 August, 2016 Does this mean we're now more like a 4* city centre hotel than a seaside B&B? Premier Inn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 2 August, 2016 Share Posted 2 August, 2016 Premier Inn... better than a travel lodge! All just goes to show the only thing constant in football is the club everything else comes and goes and ebbs and flows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 2 August, 2016 Share Posted 2 August, 2016 Premier Inn... better than a travel lodge! No it's not. Lenny Henry won't be in the travelodge, that's got to be a plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 August, 2016 Share Posted 2 August, 2016 I'm sure getting us from League 1 to the prem in 3 seasons has been the biggest factor in increasing our commercial competitiveness in the grand scheme of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 2 August, 2016 Share Posted 2 August, 2016 Would have been different if the planned Moet & Chandon deal had come off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 2 August, 2016 Share Posted 2 August, 2016 I wonder if more Exec boxes will be filled this year, we haven't seemed to fill many even on our return to Prem - having said that, the experience in them is pretty poor compared to other clubs so not really that surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 2 August, 2016 Share Posted 2 August, 2016 the experience in them is pretty poor compared to other clubs so not really that surprised. Ive toyed with idea of booking one for a family event but never got round to it. Whats wrong with them? food? service? view? price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 August, 2016 Author Share Posted 2 August, 2016 I'm sure getting us from League 1 to the prem in 3 seasons has been the biggest factor in increasing our commercial competitiveness in the grand scheme of things. What a guy! Picking the team, choosing the tactics. Training the players, making the signings all along with spending someone elses money like it was a game of monopoly! You can say what you like about Cortese but he was the master as spending money, not quite so hot when it came to making it though. Still when he finally accepts the Ac Milan job they've chased him for since 2010 then we'll no doubt see a similar such upturn in their fortunes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 2 August, 2016 Share Posted 2 August, 2016 (edited) Ive toyed with idea of booking one for a family event but never got round to it. Whats wrong with them? food? service? view? price? View is fine....Having been fortunate to have had hospitality at a number of clubs, Saints offering just lacks attention to detail and the service is very average, had to ask for drinks etc., they seemed understaffed to be frank. I went to one game the season before last where the company hosting had spent more than a few thousand on the box and yet had their name spelt incorrectly on the box door which is all a bit amateurish. Chelsea's hospitality has been the best I have experienced just for the record. Edited 3 August, 2016 by Katalinic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 2 August, 2016 Share Posted 2 August, 2016 What a guy! Picking the team, choosing the tactics. Training the players, making the signings all along with spending someone elses money like it was a game of monopoly! You can say what you like about Cortese but he was the master as spending money, not quite so hot when it came to making it though. Still when he finally accepts the Ac Milan job they've chased him for since 2010 then we'll no doubt see a similar such upturn in their fortunes! Can there not be middle ground? Cortese achieved at the club and everyone keeps talking about the 7 years of improvement..well how many of those was he in charge for? Yes he had faults and I think the club is better now but like everyone else, who leaves, it seems everything they contributed is forgotten..and in his case the work he did is credited to the current board as people quote that we should be grateful to them for 7 years of improvement! If he was picking the players and making the signings (gaston and Osvaldo was personally his fault apparently according to some) then Rickie and Fonte were two of his personal better signings and he should at least get the credit for them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 August, 2016 Author Share Posted 2 August, 2016 Can there not be middle ground? Cortese achieved at the club and everyone keeps talking about the 7 years of improvement..well how many of those was he in charge for? Yes he had faults and I think the club is better now but like everyone else, who leaves, it seems everything they contributed is forgotten..and in his case the work he did is credited to the current board as people quote that we should be grateful to them for 7 years of improvement! If he was picking the players and making the signings (gaston and Osvaldo was personally his fault apparently according to some) then Rickie and Fonte were two of his personal better signings and he should at least get the credit for them! Of course there is, up until the point we were challenging for promtion to the premier league he was doing a great job, then his ego started running away with him. He was always a bit of a disaster with commericial relationships, going through numerous sales managers demanding ridiculous amounts for sponsorship deals, treated people inside the club very badly, fell out with plenty of would be sponsors, local businesses, even managing to get himself banned from a popular city centre rsturants because he was such a Bellend as a bloke. On the football side though it was all going well. The players were happy, the were treated like royalty, we were winning, things were looking good. Then he lost his sh*t after we lost at home to Reading and it all started to unfold for him. The realationship with Adkins started to go downhill, he wanted to take control of signings, started spunking money up the wall at the training ground culminating in us having a £15m development which ended up costing £40m. Then the lack of income plus the disastrous signings of Ramirez and Osvaldo and you can see why he had to be got shot of. Its fair to see that what we've achieved whilst in the premier league is inspite of Cortese not because of him. And don't fool yourself into believing he was responsible for the early signings, like Lambert and Fonte, do you really believe and Italian banker with no interest in football would know enough about the lower leagues to bring Lambert, Jaidi, Fonte, Hammond etc to the club, all players key to our rise? Quite simply he wanted control over everything because he thought he could do a better job than anyone else who worked at the club, a classic narcissist, which was his downfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 2 August, 2016 Share Posted 2 August, 2016 This is like finding out your favourite comedian is doing a new tour, booking tickets and then when you get there they've just rehashed a load of old jokes they told on Mock The Week, last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 2 August, 2016 Share Posted 2 August, 2016 I am with #TeamTurkish on this subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 2 August, 2016 Share Posted 2 August, 2016 His biggest problem was "refusing" (or refusing to accept) to give the owner a seat on the board. That line from Top Gun comes to mind - "Your Ego Is Writing Cheques Your Body Can't Cash" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 2 August, 2016 Share Posted 2 August, 2016 I am with #TeamTurkish on this subject. It's an interesting one for sure and he was a strange man at best (I think it was you who I asked to take down my post about the Mars bar incident - which you kindly did) but with the dust firmly settled now, I would probably end up on Saint Fred's side of the fence. Turkish is well informed and the Reading match was indeed the beginning of the end. You only have to listen to Atkins interview after the Coventry match and Premiership promotion, to know that things weren't what they seemed. There is loads more stuff, that (Especially at the time) if it made it to this forum would have been laughed at and dismissed out of hand, That said, I still believe that his bloody mindedness, his total belief if what he was doing, the perfectionist in him (Albeit with someone else's money) and his pure determination, played a huge part in the back to back promotions and where we are today. The reality was obvious, even at the time, yet none of us really paid it any attention. It could NEVER have lasted. You simply cant have a single person in charge of your asset, where you have no say or control and debts were being accrued. I'm not sure he will ever make the Saints "Hall of fame", but regardless of what you think of him or his faults, rightly or wrongly, he is actually a significant person in Saints modern history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 2 August, 2016 Share Posted 2 August, 2016 An old family favourite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 3 August, 2016 Share Posted 3 August, 2016 We're the 6th best club in the country and some people still bang on about someone who left 3/4 years ago, you couldn't make it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 August, 2016 Author Share Posted 3 August, 2016 We're the 6th best club in the country and some people still bang on about someone who left 3/4 years ago, you couldn't make it up. I'm glad you've finally stopped crying yourself to sleep with Corteses picture under your pillow pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 3 August, 2016 Share Posted 3 August, 2016 I'm not sure he will ever make the Saints "Hall of fame", but regardless of what you think of him or his faults, rightly or wrongly, he is actually a significant person in Saints modern history. In the beginning NC was responsible for bringing in over 30mill of commercial income from his business partner and great friend Markus. Of course Turkish would not admit this, since Turkish and Cortese are not the bestest of buddies. Bringing in significant commercial income after that while we were in L1 and CCC would have been difficult and it is clearly much easier now that we are established as a Top 8 club in the PL. I'm sure that Cortese could have done better on this account, and possibly would have if it had been considered strategically important at the time. Our hockey coach and heiress seem to be making a reasonably good fist of generating commercial income despite their lack of business background now based on the platform that Markus and Cortese originally put in place, and so credit is due and long may it continue and hopefully improve. Still good to see that Turkish still believes in his Cult of Cortese, even though really no-one actually gives a damn about the Milan Midget any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 3 August, 2016 Share Posted 3 August, 2016 View is fine....Having been fortunate to have had hospitality at a number of clubs, Saints offering just lacks attention to detail and the service is very average, had to ask for drinks etc., they seemed understaffed to be frank. I went to one game the season where the company hosting had spent more than a few thousand on the box and yet had their name spelt incorrectly on the box door which is all a bit amateurish. Chelsea's hospitality has been the best I have experienced just for the record. Same here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 3 August, 2016 Share Posted 3 August, 2016 And don't fool yourself into believing he was responsible for the early signings, like Lambert and Fonte, . Actually I don't believe he was responsible directly for any signings be they good or bad..Osvaldo had links with Poch and why would he randomly buy Gaston? Of course he was accountable and it's well documented that there were issues with him/his leadership etc etc but air brushing over anything positive he did isn't really cricket..it's also why he gets debated after so long as sometimes an individual's view will only represent one side and if stated enough becomes a lot of people's reality! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 3 August, 2016 Share Posted 3 August, 2016 We're the 6th best club in the country and some people still bang on about someone who left 3/4 years ago, you couldn't make it up. Why would we not? We still discuss the Keegan signing or Lawrie Mac, Rickie etc etc and have a 100+ page thread on players who left at the same time as NC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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