washsaint Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 Not strictly Saints related but came across a letter that Luke Shaw wrote to a set of new parents who tragically lost another kid a while back .He is a class act and Saints did a great job in helping raise him the right way. Yet another example that Saints don't just coach youngsters to be good players but ensure they are good human beings too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 Hmm. The cynic in me assumes this was some sort of pr thing because it's typed up on headed paper and he has just signed it at the bottom (he never struck me as the most erudite individual.) hopefully not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 Lallana's Echo Stunt. Class act too. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 Calling Luke Shaw, please come to the PR office, we have typed a letter that we need you to sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 Calling Luke Shaw, please come to the PR office, we have typed a letter that we need you to sign. Uh okay. Wotsa letter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 Bloody lot of cynics and miserable Bu&&ers. Why not look at this in a positive light, instead of your usual glass half empty fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 Bloody lot of cynics and miserable Bu&&ers. Why not look at this in a positive light, instead of your usual glass half empty fashion. Because it's painfully obvious that Shaw did nothing but sign this. To be fair though, that was probably quite a major achievement for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 17 July, 2016 Author Share Posted 17 July, 2016 Jeez....what a miserable, cynical bunch on here. Luke has always come across well and seems a decent young guy. So what if it is on Man U letterhead? I'd hate to be as cynical as some of you - bet you're a blast to be around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 They could have at least made an attempt to make it look like it came from him. A few spelling mistakes, major grammatical errors etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 Jeez....what a miserable, cynical bunch on here. Luke has always come across well and seems a decent young guy. So what if it is on Man U letterhead? I'd hate to be as cynical as some of you - bet you're a blast to be around! I'm sure he's a fine young man. That's not the issue here. That letter simply doesn't look any more than something knocked up by the person whose full time job it is to perform that sort of task. It's not much more than a form letter, that's all. Right down to the little bit at the bottom about Man U. I'm not knocking Luke, simply not being taken in by it as being his heart felt feelings. It's really not a biggy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 I'm sure he's a fine young man. That's not the issue here. That letter simply doesn't look any more than something knocked up by the person whose full time job it is to perform that sort of task. It's not much more than a form letter, that's all. Right down to the little bit at the bottom about Man U. I'm not knocking Luke, simply not being taken in by it as being his heart felt feelings. It's really not a biggy. That doesn't read like a "form letter" at all, unless you're stupid enough to really believe that Manchester United Football Club have a template for "letter for parents who suffered a terrible loss and then subsequently had another child". (Most of) This thread is pathetic. Fair play Luke Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 (edited) That doesn't read like a "form letter" at all, unless you're stupid enough to really believe that Manchester United Football Club have a template for "letter for parents who suffered a terrible loss and then subsequently had another child". (Most of) This thread is pathetic. Fair play Luke Shaw. Um, that's why I didn't call it a form letter, but getting close to one as I'm sure they do get plenty of similar letters from bereaved fans and are well versed in handling them....Unless you are stupid enough to think this is the first correspondence of this nature that they have ever entered into. I answer plenty of emails every day that start with form responses which I edit to better suit the individual requirements. This one has all the hallmarks of one of those. Take a look at the main body of the reply, the longest paragraph. That is most likely a macro with just the "Last year" part, and the name Ava and "daughter" altered from the original. Edited 17 July, 2016 by Ohio Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 Um, that's why I didn't call it a form letter, but getting close to one as I'm sure they do get plenty of similar letters from bereaved fans and are well versed in handling them....Unless you are stupid enough to think this is the first correspondence of this nature that they have ever entered into. I answer plenty of emails every day that start with form responses which I edit to better suit the individual requirements. This one has all the hallmarks of one of those. You said it was "Not much more than a form letter" which is basically calling it a form letter, so not sure what you're umming about. It doesn't read like that at all anyway, just a nice couple of lines you've decided to be a pri ck about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 (edited) You said it was "Not much more than a form letter" which is basically calling it a form letter, so not sure what you're umming about. It doesn't read like that at all anyway, just a nice couple of lines you've decided to be a pri ck about. So, in two responses, you have implied that I'm stupid, and flat out called me a pr ick. Simply because I disagree with you? Please grow up. For what it's worth, I don't think that calling it "Not much more than a form letter" is basically calling a form letter at all. I think it means "Not much more than a form letter".....Unless you didn't notice, I was calling it MORE than a form letter. Edited 17 July, 2016 by Ohio Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 (edited) You said it was "Not much more than a form letter" which is basically calling it a form letter, so not sure what you're umming about. It doesn't read like that at all anyway, just a nice couple of lines you've decided to be a pri ck about. He clearly didnt write it. He clearly didnt dictate it. He probably didnt even ask for it to be written - unless you're suggesting Man U hand out their letterheads for any player who fancies sending a note? Most big clubs have dedicated staff who take care of this kind of stuff for players - they get thousands a week. Also the Queen doesn't personally keep tabs on who is turning 100 nor go down the post office to send the telegrams. Shocking I know. None of that devalues the fact its a nice gesture from the club. Edited 17 July, 2016 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 #penmightierthanthesword #mboardseriousbusiness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 So, in two responses, you have implied that I'm stupid, and flat out called me a pr ick. Simply because I disagree with you? Please grow up. For what it's worth, I don't think that calling it "Not much more than a form letter" is basically calling a form letter at all. I think it means "Not much more than a form letter".....Unless you didn't notice, I was calling it MORE than a form letter. I apologise. I'll rephrase. You're not much more than a pri ck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 He clearly didnt write it. He clearly didnt dictate it. He probably didnt even ask for it to be written - unless you're suggesting Man U hand out their letterheads for any player who fancies sending a note? Most big clubs have dedicated staff who take care of this kind of stuff for players - they get thousands a week. Also the Queen doesn't personally keep tabs on who is turning 100 nor go down the post office to send the telegrams. Shocking I know. None of that devalues the fact its a nice gesture from the club. In other news, the Easter Bunny isn't real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 This forum has become a miserable, soul sucking place to be. I'm not even a regular here, but when I do log on it's the same miserable names, giving the same miserable opinions. The sad thing is I'm sure if I met them in real life there probably nice blokes/girls....or maybe not...god knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 I apologise. I'll rephrase. You're not much more than a pri ck. I accept your apology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 I'm sure he's a fine young man. That's not the issue here. That letter simply doesn't look any more than something knocked up by the person whose full time job it is to perform that sort of task. It's not much more than a form letter, that's all. Right down to the little bit at the bottom about Man U. I'm not knocking Luke, simply not being taken in by it as being his heart felt feelings. It's really not a biggy. You're probably right mate. thanks to the first post we all know Steve MUFC twitter account. Maybe as you've told us you doubt Luke's response is heartfelt, you should go onto his twitter and advise him of the same. You may take some flak, but you sound confident, so surely the burden of proof is on them to prove you wrong! Off you go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 You're probably right mate. thanks to the first post we all know Steve MUFC twitter account. Maybe as you've told us you doubt Luke's response is heartfelt, you should go onto his twitter and advise him of the same. You may take some flak, but you sound confident, so surely the burden of proof is on them to prove you wrong! Off you go! As I said, it's not a biggy, so why would I even do that? I'm not knocking Luke or MUFC. It was a polite and decent thing to do. Most clubs would do the same for both their players and their fans. It was simply a well meaning response to some people during a bad time. The club wrote the letter, and Luke signed it, probably gladly......It's just nothing more than that. I don't need to put an opinion all over the internet just because I have one....Posting it here is even more than I should have bothered doing if anyone is going to get all bent out of shape about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 (edited) Wow what an overreaction from some on here when someone dares to suggest that this was probably not written by Shaw but by Uniteds pr company even if he may have shared the sentiment. Edited 17 July, 2016 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 17 July, 2016 Share Posted 17 July, 2016 Wow what an overreaction from some on here who dares to suggest that this was probably not written by Shaw but by Uniteds pr company even if he may have shared the sentiment. indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 With respect, this is definitely written by Utd's media department. This is not a slight on Shaw, he signed the thing I'm sure he meant it but we have heard him speak and he did not write this. Honestly I don't see why that is upsetting, no doubt the club asked if he wanted to be involved, perhaps it was even his idea. It is a nice gesture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 Hmm. The cynic in me assumes this was some sort of pr thing because it's typed up on headed paper and he has just signed it at the bottom (he never struck me as the most erudite individual.) hopefully not. And why would Manchester United have chosen Luke Shaw as the one and only MU player to send a letter? Do they have a tragedy department that sends out exactly one letter per tragedy and they randomly choose which player will sign it (or perhaps they rotate them)? Or maybe it is Shaw's agent who does that? Or maybe Shaw hired a PR person to do this, in which case he is responsible for it. Or maybe he noticed it himself and asked someone to help him write the letter. Or maybe he wrote it himself. Why is this something to complain about? That being said, this is my 2000th post and I want to thank the Saintsweb community for generally being so welcoming to an American who, out of the blue, starting blogging about your football club. (This message of appreciation suggested and written by my PR guy.) For those who care, I apologize for not blogging more often but I am self employed and my work schedule has been crazy this year. For those of you who don't care, I apologize for mentioning it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 And why would Manchester United have chosen Luke Shaw as the one and only MU player to send a letter? Do they have a tragedy department that sends out exactly one letter per tragedy and they randomly choose which player will sign it (or perhaps they rotate them)? Or maybe it is Shaw's agent who does that? Or maybe Shaw hired a PR person to do this, in which case he is responsible for it. Or maybe he noticed it himself and asked someone to help him write the letter. Or maybe he wrote it himself. Why is this something to complain about? That being said, this is my 2000th post and I want to thank the Saintsweb community for generally being so welcoming to an American who, out of the blue, starting blogging about your football club. (This message of appreciation suggested and written by my PR guy.) For those who care, I apologize for not blogging more often but I am self employed and my work schedule has been crazy this year. For those of you who don't care, I apologize for mentioning it. I'm sure your secretary and PR guy have a crazy schedule. You just fart about on the internet and play with cats;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 Whether he wrote it himself or not, it was a nice gesture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinger Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 Well, what a weird thing to get into an argument about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 Bunch of obsessive weirdo's. Does it matter what a Manure player does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 Well, what a weird thing to get into an argument about. Indeed. Totally bizarre thing to get upset about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 Indeed. Totally bizarre thing to get upset about. I know mate. You must have been having a funny five minutes. It happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 18 July, 2016 Share Posted 18 July, 2016 How do the doubters on here know that it was started by the Man Utd PR dept? Maybe Luke heard about that family and asked them to write his thoughts in a letter as he knew they could phrase it better than he could? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mort Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 My son wrote to Luke through the family he used to board with when he first broke into the team saying how he enjoyed watching Luke play. Luke wrote a lovely encouraging letter back which my son will always treasure, no matter who he plays for, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 My son wrote to Luke through the family he used to board with when he first broke into the team saying how he enjoyed watching Luke play. Luke wrote a lovely encouraging letter back which my son will always treasure, no matter who he plays for, Which colour crayon did he use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 I know mate. You must have been having a funny five minutes. It happens. Kindly show where I was "upset" about Uniteds pr team writing something for Shaw to sign? Its a load of other people getting their knickers in a twist that anyone would even suggest something so heinous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 Kindly show where I was "upset" about Uniteds pr team writing something for Shaw to sign? Its a load of other people getting their knickers in a twist that anyone would even suggest something so heinous. Oh Hypo, at least Ohio Saint seemed to have a moment of self realisation in post 22 when he says, "I don't need to put an opinion all over the internet just because I have one" ..Yep I feel we may have a real breakthrough moment here...'I don't need to put an opinion all over the internet just because I have one' Maybe scribble that in crayon, stick it on the fridge door & let in sink in. Good session fellah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 Oh Hypo, at least Ohio Saint seemed to have a moment of self realisation in post 22 when he says, "I don't need to put an opinion all over the internet just because I have one" ..Yep I feel we may have a real breakthrough moment here...'I don't need to put an opinion all over the internet just because I have one' Maybe scribble that in crayon, stick it on the fridge door & let in sink in. Good session fellah! So actually complete and utter made up tosh. I was never upset about those claims and you were unable to substantiate what you said. Apology accepted. As ohio said, it's really not worth getting all upset about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 So actually complete and utter made up tosh. I was never upset about those claims and you were unable to substantiate what you said. Apology accepted. As ohio said, it's really not worth getting all upset about. Err, I didn't apologise mate. There's nothing to accept! I think it's just kind of disappoints me when someone types a good news story about an ex player, who on the basis of what I've heard about him, is a pretty decent chap. Then you guys rock-up, and doubt his sincerity. A lot of us probably know someone who's lost a kid, and then been thrilled when they've finally had a child. I just felt some of the comments were unnecessary. I don't really understand what would drive a person to be so negative on a thread like this...and believe me i'm as flawed an individual as they come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 Which colour crayon did he use? That's bang out of order and totally uncalled for. But I still laughed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 Not strictly Saints related but came across a letter that Luke Shaw wrote to a set of new parents who tragically lost another kid a while back .He is a class act and Saints did a great job in helping raise him the right way. Yet another example that Saints don't just coach youngsters to be good players but ensure they are good human beings too. Is it just me or does anybody else think that seems a bit like the sort of template letter a club would knock out? In my opinion, the tone and wording of it doesn't seem indicative of an individual response from Shaw himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 19 July, 2016 Share Posted 19 July, 2016 Is it just me or does anybody else think that seems a bit like the sort of template letter a club would knock out? In my opinion, the tone and wording of it doesn't seem indicative of an individual response from Shaw himself. Yeah, I thought the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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