SaintMB Posted 20 June, 2019 Share Posted 20 June, 2019 If it happens I reckon the transfer fee is less important than the wages it’d free up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 20 June, 2019 Share Posted 20 June, 2019 Someone about 2 weeks ago said on here Bertrand wasn't a fan of Ralph's meritocracy when it came to picking players on form rather than rep (my interpretation) for the team Might of been manji Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 20 June, 2019 Share Posted 20 June, 2019 The Bertrand story may be a nonsense. The Inter Milan sporting director was scouting Ryan Sessegnon at the Euro U21s this week. Perhaps the journalist mixed up their Ryans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Useful Idiot Posted 20 June, 2019 Share Posted 20 June, 2019 People saying Targett can step up, which I completely disagree with, should remember that most of the time he performed well in Bertrands absence he was playing as wing-back, not a conventional full back. That position compensates for his lack of pace because there is a centre-back who can step out wide to cover, but as far as I can tell Ralph is planning a back 4, and I just can't see Targett being good enough in a back four, he just isn't quick enough to be a modern Premier League full back IMO. I'm not sure we'll be able to get in the right players to play 4-2-2-2 against teams in the top half. I expect we'll probably alternate with 3-4-3. I just don't think we'll have a pair of centre backs who can cope, or central midfielders who cover the ground quickly enough, to be able to play four at the back all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanimal Posted 20 June, 2019 Share Posted 20 June, 2019 Would be a mortal loss, targett is too inconsistent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 20 June, 2019 Share Posted 20 June, 2019 Would only get rid if he have someone other than Targett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 20 June, 2019 Share Posted 20 June, 2019 Peoples forget that Bertrand joined us as a pretty much unheralded 25 year old following an unsuccessful loan spell with Villa. There were a lot of doubters. Targett is coming up to 24, and has had a good grounding. If Ralph judges he is good enough, then in turn that’s good enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harriesss Posted 20 June, 2019 Share Posted 20 June, 2019 Would be a mortal loss, targett is too inconsistent [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] superb overreaction. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 20 June, 2019 Share Posted 20 June, 2019 Peoples forget that Bertrand joined us as a pretty much unheralded 25 year old following an unsuccessful loan spell with Villa. There were a lot of doubters. Targett is coming up to 24, and has had a good grounding. If Ralph judges he is good enough, then in turn that’s good enough for me.Sorey but this is a load of ****. Bertrand had been good enough to make an appearance in a Champions League final when he signed for us. He joined us as a player who hadnt had a consistent run of games in the PL but straight away looked a competent player as a replacement for Luke Shaw. Whenever Targett plays in the PL he looks a weak link whose lack of pace is exposed by the opposition. He never takes anyone on but looks to cross early, and thats his best attribute. We always improve when Bertrand is fit again and he always plays ahead of Targett because he is much better. If Targett wasn't a Saints Academy graduate he wouldn't be on our list of left backs to replace Bertrand. In simple terms: he isn't good enough to be a regular PL LB. And he never will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 20 June, 2019 Share Posted 20 June, 2019 Sorey but this is a load of ****. Bertrand had been good enough to make an appearance in a Champions League final when he signed for us. He joined us as a player who hadnt had a consistent run of games in the PL but straight away looked a competent player as a replacement for Luke Shaw. Whenever Targett plays in the PL he looks a weak link whose lack of pace is exposed by the opposition. He never takes anyone on but looks to cross early, and thats his best attribute. We always improve when Bertrand is fit again and he always plays ahead of Targett because he is much better. If Targett wasn't a Saints Academy graduate he wouldn't be on our list of left backs to replace Bertrand. In simple terms: he isn't good enough to be a regular PL LB. And he never will be. Why the aggression? You have a different view, fine, but it doesn’t make you right. True RB played in a CL final, when they had no other choice, and then didn’t play and was loaned out for a spell at Villa, where he didn’t pull up any trees - these are facts. I am not blinded by the fact he is from our Academy. The point I was trying to make is that it is unlikely that Academy kids, with very rare exceptions, arrive as the finished article, compared to a 25yo transferee. Defensively, I personally don’t recall many occasions where he has let us down, although stand to be corrected. Like you, I have always been happy to see Bertrand return, but that won’t go on forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 20 June, 2019 Share Posted 20 June, 2019 Why the aggression? You have a different view, fine, but it doesn’t make you right. True RB played in a CL final, when they had no other choice, and then didn’t play and was loaned out for a spell at Villa, where he didn’t pull up any trees - these are facts. I am not blinded by the fact he is from our Academy. The point I was trying to make is that it is unlikely that Academy kids, with very rare exceptions, arrive as the finished article, compared to a 25yo transferee. Defensively, I personally don’t recall many occasions where he has let us down, although stand to be corrected. Like you, I have always been happy to see Bertrand return, but that won’t go on forever. It's fair to pose the question 'why can't Targett be good enough'? For me the key thing is his lack of pace. Partly defensively, which as others have mentioned is more exposed in a four than as a wing back, but also going forwards. His crossing is good but that is usually from deep. I get the impression Hasenhuttl is gearing us up to get to the byline more, and Targett doesn't seem to be as well equipped for that gung-ho-overlap type of full back play, especially if he is required to operate like that as part of a back four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 June, 2019 Share Posted 20 June, 2019 It's fair to pose the question 'why can't Targett be good enough'? For me the key thing is his lack of pace. Partly defensively, which as others have mentioned is more exposed in a four than as a wing back, but also going forwards. His crossing is good but that is usually from deep. I get the impression Hasenhuttl is gearing us up to get to the byline more, and Targett doesn't seem to be as well equipped for that gung-ho-overlap type of full back play, especially if he is required to operate like that as part of a back four. I viewed Hasenhuttls preference to be creating chances quickly after winning the ball back high up the pitch, in which case someone able to cross from deep would be a real asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 20 June, 2019 Share Posted 20 June, 2019 IMO he's basically a less good Trippier, a more offensive full back with good offensive abilities like passing and crossing but lacks defensive ability and would be exposed for his lack pace with a consistent run at left back in back 4. And we are not as good as Spurs (Or England), have far less possession than them, and have worst centre-backs, and even Spurs it seems have decided that Trippiers defensive deficiencies mean they need an upgrade. We need a full back that can defend first and foremost and won't get completely done by the fast wingers in this league because it is likely our defenders will spend more time defending without the ball than having it. Even if he improves and has improved under Ralph, I can't see him imagining up pace and acceleration from somewhere. Positional play, tackling, interceptions, marking those things can be improved with experience and training, but pace not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 June, 2019 Share Posted 20 June, 2019 Defensively, I personally don’t recall many occasions where he has let us down, although stand to be corrected. he was completely taken to pieces at SMS by Zaha a couple of years ago in the league cup. He has improved since then, mostly in terms of positioning, he's a little stronger and more confident with the ball...but he hasn't got any quicker and Zaha and others will continue to take advantage of that. Even if he isn't being skinned alive, without top class players we will just ship more goals and lose more games. Little things all start to add up like not pushing the opponent backwards because you dont get right up and down the line. Like not being able to cover round to spare the blushes of a slow CB simply because you don't have the pace to do so. Like not getting tighter to opponents because you are terrified of all that space behind. That means less time for opponents on the ball which can make the difference between a defence cutting pass and them simply keeping possession with something simple. So I'm not talking about glaring errors (being let down), it's a failure to excel and dominate opponents. At some point we must stop eroding the quality of player we have at our disposal. Yes we need to keep adjusting the squad and keeping it young and fast, but is swapping Bertrand for Targett really doing that? Perhaps it makes good business sense, but that doesn't mean we should do it. In the end financial performance is determined by results on the pitch and on this occasion keeping a player for two more years and losing the resale value might make business sense if its the difference between staying up or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 20 June, 2019 Share Posted 20 June, 2019 he was completely taken to pieces at SMS by Zaha a couple of years ago in the league cup. He has improved since then, mostly in terms of positioning, he's a little stronger and more confident with the ball...but he hasn't got any quicker and Zaha and others will continue to take advantage of that. Even if he isn't being skinned alive, without top class players we will just ship more goals and lose more games. Little things all start to add up like not pushing the opponent backwards because you dont get right up and down the line. Like not being able to cover round to spare the blushes of a slow CB simply because you don't have the pace to do so. Like not getting tighter to opponents because you are terrified of all that space behind. That means less time for opponents on the ball which can make the difference between a defence cutting pass and them simply keeping possession with something simple. So I'm not talking about glaring errors (being let down), it's a failure to excel and dominate opponents. At some point we must stop eroding the quality of player we have at our disposal. Yes we need to keep adjusting the squad and keeping it young and fast, but is swapping Bertrand for Targett really doing that? Perhaps it makes good business sense, but that doesn't mean we should do it. In the end financial performance is determined by results on the pitch and on this occasion keeping a player for two more years and losing the resale value might make business sense if its the difference between staying up or not. He wasn't the first and won't be the last full-back ot have that happen to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 20 June, 2019 Share Posted 20 June, 2019 Flog for 25M,provided buyer takes a bit of hardwood as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted 20 June, 2019 Share Posted 20 June, 2019 Big drop off from Bertrand to Targett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 20 June, 2019 Share Posted 20 June, 2019 Big drop off from Bertrand to Targett. I think this is the main thing. Berty is also (& this is arguable) one of our best options for left-sided centre-back in a '3 at the back'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 20 June, 2019 Share Posted 20 June, 2019 Cannot grudge Ryan a move, particularly to a CL club abroad. We need someone else to replace him though, Targett is not good enough. Even if Ralph can do his wing backs formation properly, he doesn't convince me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGalpin Posted 20 June, 2019 Share Posted 20 June, 2019 Cannot grudge Ryan a move, particularly to a CL club abroad. We need someone else to replace him though, Targett is not good enough. Even if Ralph can do his wing backs formation properly, he doesn't convince me. Sums it up for me. When Targett's been alright, it's been as a wingback. Him in 4-2-2-2 would frighten the life out of me. If we're selling our best LB, we need a new LB. It's as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 21 June, 2019 Share Posted 21 June, 2019 No! Very clearly Bertrand has been reinvigorated by Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 21 June, 2019 Share Posted 21 June, 2019 I think RB is our best player and it would be a real shame to see him go, particularly bearing in mind our defensive frailties of the last few years. Like others have said, I wouldn’t begrudge him a move to a big European side (for a lot more than £10m mind) but I’d be worried going into a season with Targett and Vokins as our only LB options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 21 June, 2019 Share Posted 21 June, 2019 Is there any news on McQueen recovery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaffaSaint Posted 21 June, 2019 Share Posted 21 June, 2019 Unpopular opinion this apparently, but since Hasenhuttl arrived I think Targett has actually performed better than Bertrand. Bertrand hasn’t looked bothered for a couple of years now and doesn’t look up to the rigours of Hasenhuttl football so sell while we can and use the money elsewhere. A consistent run of games would be good for Targett (look what it did for Valery) and if it’s not working bring in Vokins who looks a real talent. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThis absolutely. Amassed by some of the comments. Love Bertie but hes been shocking for a while. Sent from my SM-G570F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 June, 2019 Share Posted 21 June, 2019 This absolutely. Amassed by some of the comments. Love Bertie but hes been shocking for a while. Sent from my SM-G570F using Tapatalk But still a considerable upgrade on Targett - says a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 21 June, 2019 Share Posted 21 June, 2019 Is there any news on McQueen recovery?Ongoing presumably. But he isn'y good enough for the PL anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 June, 2019 Share Posted 21 June, 2019 Love Bertie but hes been shocking for a while. Sent from my SM-G570F using Tapatalk shocking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 21 June, 2019 Share Posted 21 June, 2019 shocking? I know [emoji2957] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted 22 June, 2019 Share Posted 22 June, 2019 Ongoing presumably. But he isn'y good enough for the PL anyway. He wont figure for us, not upto speed for this team plus i think his injury was worse than first thought of at boro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 23 June, 2019 Share Posted 23 June, 2019 Love Bertie but hes been shocking for a while. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 2 July, 2019 Share Posted 2 July, 2019 Those who thought that Ryan lacked commitment and doesn't put in the effort should study today's training pics. Here is a guy with a point to prove who is obviously thriving and reviving under Ralph's leadership. Getting rid of Targett has no doubt made him realise that the Club is fully committed to him as well. I wish him well for the season and will be delighted if he regains an England place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 2 July, 2019 Share Posted 2 July, 2019 Those who thought that Ryan lacked commitment and doesn't put in the effort should study today's training pics. Here is a guy with a point to prove who is obviously thriving and reviving under Ralph's leadership. Getting rid of Targett has no doubt made him realise that the Club is fully committed to him as well. I wish him well for the season and will be delighted if he regains an England place. Agree! This is the year we will see Ryan return to his best. Its going to be a completely different season and several players who have been below their best are going to surprise us. Ryan could be one of them. Looking forward to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 3 July, 2019 Share Posted 3 July, 2019 This absolutely. Amassed by some of the comments. Love Bertie but hes been shocking for a while. Sent from my SM-G570F using Tapatalk Clearly this is not the case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 3 July, 2019 Share Posted 3 July, 2019 RB has been injured and also lost his England place. He may have had a temporary blip due to both of these facts but, h e is by far our best defender and I can see Ralph helping Ryan regain his England spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 3 July, 2019 Share Posted 3 July, 2019 RB has been injured and also lost his England place. He may have had a temporary blip due to both of these facts but, h e is by far our best defender and I can see Ralph helping Ryan regain his England spot. Realistically there is little chance of RB regaining his England place. That ship has sailed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 3 July, 2019 Share Posted 3 July, 2019 Whilst I love RB I'm inclined to agree england is not a feasible goal. We should be bringing through younger players and Chilwell is too good not to start. Sent from my G3311 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 10 July, 2019 Share Posted 10 July, 2019 Wow! Just look at those broad smiles from our Bertie in Austria, he is revelling in pre-season training and there is a steely determination in his eyes that augurs well for the season ahead. I have no reservations at all about his ability to claw back his England starting place, he is by far the country's best left back, can run, can cross, reads the game brilliantly and can score goals. He is going to surprise a few of you critics mark my words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 July, 2019 Share Posted 10 July, 2019 Wow! Just look at those broad smiles from our Bertie in Austria, he is revelling in pre-season training and there is a steely determination in his eyes that augurs well for the season ahead. I have no reservations at all about his ability to claw back his England starting place, he is by far the country's best left back, can run, can cross, reads the game brilliantly and can score goals. He is going to surprise a few of you critics mark my words. If we are basing things on smiles whilst on a team bonding training camp... Cedric and Hoedt are also smiling and the captain has his arms around them both. What do you make of that Charlie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 10 July, 2019 Share Posted 10 July, 2019 If we are basing things on smiles whilst on a team bonding training camp... Cedric and Hoedt are also smiling and the captain has his arms around them both. What do you make of that Charlie? Bertie usually looking like a miserable git the whole time, he's saying that it's good to see him obviously enjoying himself. I agree with him and you knew full well why he pointed it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 10 July, 2019 Share Posted 10 July, 2019 Cedric will be gutted he didn't have time to put his tightest trousers on. In all seriousness it's good to see no matter what we think the squad seems to welcome back all players equally, need that harmony to become the basis for common goal setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 10 July, 2019 Share Posted 10 July, 2019 Bertie usually looking like a miserable git the whole time, he's saying that it's good to see him obviously enjoying himself. I agree with him and you knew full well why he pointed it out. Thanks igsey for having my back and taking out that sniper! Owe you one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 10 July, 2019 Share Posted 10 July, 2019 Which one's Bertie ? Don't recognise him in that photo ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 11 July, 2019 Share Posted 11 July, 2019 Which one's Bertie ? Don't recognise him in that photo ! That's him halfway down that mountain in the background. He's so keen this year he's done a second lap of the cross country run while the others pose for photos.. Look closely though, he IS smiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 11 July, 2019 Share Posted 11 July, 2019 If we are basing things on smiles whilst on a team bonding training camp... Cedric and Hoedt are also smiling and the captain has his arms around them both. What do you make of that Charlie? Also Bertrand is laughing and joking with Hoedt in the training vids, when they are doing the sprints I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 17 July, 2019 Share Posted 17 July, 2019 Not foot ball related but Bertrand proposed to this fiancee in middle of a street. Video on his instagram. Just think married life will make him even more miserable [emoji6] Sent from my SM-A320FL using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 18 July, 2019 Share Posted 18 July, 2019 He's met the RIGHT woman, good luck for your futures Ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now