beowulf Posted 9 July, 2016 Share Posted 9 July, 2016 1.I feel we have lost one too many good managers and you just cant keep selling your best players. 2.Not sure we have replaced Ronald adequately. 3.Apart from Long we are not strong enough up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 9 July, 2016 Share Posted 9 July, 2016 Obviously you are a "melt" don't you know we have to blindly agree with the stories coming out of the club and must agree with everything Les has planned no matter what! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintroyt Posted 9 July, 2016 Share Posted 9 July, 2016 1.I feel we have lost one too many good managers and you just cant keep selling your best players. 2.Not sure we have replaced Ronald adequately. 3.Apart from Long we are not strong enough up front. Totally agree think personally les reed has has his time every season has assured us everything is ok I am not so sure sadly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 9 July, 2016 Share Posted 9 July, 2016 Why are you not sure that we've replaced Ronald adequately? People keep saying they're underwhelmed, unhappy,, unexcited by Puel etc. But I'm yet to see a decent argument which actually backs up the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris27687 Posted 9 July, 2016 Share Posted 9 July, 2016 grow a pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 9 July, 2016 Share Posted 9 July, 2016 Obviously you are a "melt" don't you know we have to blindly agree with the stories coming out of the club and must agree with everything Les has planned no matter what! I don't think any rational person would say we should blindly agree with anything. However, what they would also say is that it would be wholly unreasonable to disagree with something on the basis of no evidence whatsoever. We won't know how well the club has done in replacing RK or any of the players who move on until we start kicking a ball in anger. More sensible, in my view, to have a little patience - the club has earned that for its year on year improvement since our L1 days - and reserve judgement until we are a few games into the campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIGANSAINT Posted 9 July, 2016 Share Posted 9 July, 2016 Your right to be worried. We have lost a lot of goals in mane and most likely pelle. The aim now seems to be spending less and bringing youth in. No doubt to sell them on in a couple of years and repeat etc. To me you need to invest and show a little ambition .We all know how it ended up with Lowe. And I am sick of hearing about this 5 year plan etc. Seems to me all the plan is to make as much money as they can .We need a fast forward for me. Musa would of been a great signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 9 July, 2016 Share Posted 9 July, 2016 Totally agree think personally les reed has has his time every season has assured us everything is ok I am not so sure sadly Eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 9 July, 2016 Share Posted 9 July, 2016 I really can't believe seven straight years of improvement doesn't buy the club (and Les) a bit of trust that they might have some idea of what they are doing. It could all go tits up (the law of averages means we are unlikely to continually improve our league position for a start) but at the very least we should give the players, club and new manager a bit of time (letting the players kick a football in a few games might be an idea) before writing them off doesn't the clubs track record to date entitle them to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 9 July, 2016 Share Posted 9 July, 2016 Why are you not sure that we've replaced Ronald adequately? People keep saying they're underwhelmed, unhappy,, unexcited by Puel etc. But I'm yet to see a decent argument which actually backs up the point. you will see a lot of arguments to back it up if we don't win the first game by 4 or 5-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 9 July, 2016 Share Posted 9 July, 2016 Does everybody forget that Charlie Austin scored 18 goals in a relegated team 2 years ago putting him only behind Aguero, Costa and Kane? The injuries last year were unfortunate but with a full pre-season he's going to come in like a new signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 9 July, 2016 Share Posted 9 July, 2016 It's Grendel and his mum you should be worrying about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 9 July, 2016 Share Posted 9 July, 2016 I think point 3 is wrong, Jay Rod and Austin if they stay fit are more then good enough to help us finish top 8. However I agree it is not acceptable for the best players to be sold every season and to have Les Reed lie to us again, however so much of the fan base accept it so they think they can get away with it, we will get found out one season and finish much lower and maybe even get relegated, however I think worse case this season coming up we finish 11th/12th if Jay Rod and Austin struggle to play 30 or more games. Puel is unknown and maybe he can guide us to another top 8/7 finish and a good cup run but we need to reserve judgement until Nov/Dec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 9 July, 2016 Share Posted 9 July, 2016 All I can say is from the outside i.e. the view other club's fans have It does look like we have replaced inadequately 'because we bought some 'unknown' bloke from France who has only ever worked there' (not many will know of his CL/League exploits). Also, regardless of circumstances, selling Mane, Wanyama and potentially Pelle does make us look like a selling club, not forgetting the past two summer windows- therefore ppl automatically assume we will drop. However, my view is we are doing things in a risky way (risky by nature, not by choice- we can't force players to stay). The past two summers has shown we should keep the faith too. I'm confident *****il it all starts to go wrong!!!!) lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 9 July, 2016 Share Posted 9 July, 2016 Does everybody forget that Charlie Austin scored 18 goals in a relegated team 2 years ago putting him only behind Aguero, Costa and Kane? The injuries last year were unfortunate but with a full pre-season he's going to come in like a new signing. Take away his penalties and does he have that much more than Pelle did? Granted, he will have better service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sad saints fan Posted 9 July, 2016 Share Posted 9 July, 2016 In answer to the original question. I have no idea why you are worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 9 July, 2016 Share Posted 9 July, 2016 I think it's OK to be worried, to a certain extent. It's a new regime, and we don't quite know how that will unfold. On the other hand, we should also be excited. We've got European football, and hopefully some new signings in the coming weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FriendlySaint Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 I am not worried at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 Why are you not sure that we've replaced Ronald adequately? People keep saying they're underwhelmed, unhappy,, unexcited by Puel etc. But I'm yet to see a decent argument which actually backs up the point. ......Puel needs to lose the first six games before we can start to say that he is no good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max_saints Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 I can see Long, Austin and Jrod combining to be a third grade Messi-Suarez-Neymar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 How large are the question marks hanging over the fitness of Rodrigues and Austin? That's the big unknown for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 How large are the question marks hanging over the fitness of Rodrigues and Austin? That's the big unknown for me. Would agree with this . Long also has the habit of hurting himself every game which is a concern . He is tough but if he got injured then its a very risky for us Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 Having a concern that we have lost our manager again and that we have lost some players is ok ....but it gets pathetic when fans start bleating and forecasting armegedon. How long has any manager in the Premiership stayed in his job at his current club?....take Wegner out of this equation.....managers move on all the time....can we at least give Puel a couple of months into the season before calling for his head. Mane whether we like it or not made it quite clear that he would move on. Liverpool ARE a bigger club than us,they may have finished below us for the first time ever but they still got to a major final, they can offer more money, Klopp is probably an incentive to move there and they SHOULD be back ammongst the top clubs again this season. So realistically we could not have kept Mane and we have got a decent fee for him. VW likewise has made it very clear he wanted off because he felt he could play for a top 4 side and has again gone to a Bigger club than us. Spurs will play Champions league next season. We cannot compete with that. Saints have got a reasonable fee. Pelle is a conundrum. On his day excellent and unplayable, on other he seems disinterested and moans like hell at everyone. Personally i like him and would want him to stay BUT if reports are true and he is off to China town then who can blame him for what he will earn there. Saints obviously believe he is either replaceable or they already have his replacement and are confident there are no fitness issues (at some point you have to trust the club no more about the players than we do) It is only the 10th July and the new manager has only been in place little over a week. Can we stop all the hysterical panicking until the transfer window has shut and we have signed no one, we have sold of all the crown jewels and we are sitting at the bottom of the league after 10 games having played a team full of U21 players.....Please show some common sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 Totally agree think personally les reed has has his time every season has assured us everything is ok I am not so sure sadly Can somebody tell me wtf this means? Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 It's third time lucky for the summer rebuilds, and that's bound to create a degree of concern and trepidation from the fanbase, along with derision from outside which is tedious and detracts from our progress. Puel has as much chance of being a success as Pochettino or Koeman, more perhaps as arguably his managerial experience and record is more impressive pre SFC. Key player sales are a nagging problem, as there is emotional (and in terms of season tickets and merchandise - financial) value invested in 'stars' and seeing them leave every season despite success is disheartening. Of course, whilst successful, this policy will likely continue with the 'doubters' silenced, but the tolerance threshold if it starts to unravel is lowered, and the press have been waiting to apply the coup de grace since Poch left. So, of course Puel needs time, he also needs significant funds to strengthen and to be given the space and the authority to do it his way. He is not known to be a 'pussycat' or a 'yes man' so in this sense he is the polar opposite of the JP and MW experiment. If we are currently in an assessment period right now his assessment might be the same as Koeman's - that none of the current youngsters are good enough! Game on, enjoy the ride! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 I feel we have to give time to see if Puel is the right man. I don't follow European football and so did not know of him before he was linked to Saints. I do have concerns that the one player that really was exciting has left as well as a real powerhouse in midfield. We have brought Redmond in who has obvious talent but is he on the same level as players who have left? Puel will bring in a couple of French players I suspect and hopefully they will have more steel than the ones that joined Newcastle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 i have no issue with puel. i know nothing about him so dont have a view either way. i assume juanmi has been replaced by redmond and i expect top drawer replacements for mane and wanyama. if we expect to maintain our position by replacing with our current crop of you team players then we will struggle no doubt. i can not believe the saints management team cant see this and fully expect at least two decent signings in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 Just wondered what exactly we worry about? Isn't supporting a football team meant to be fun, an aside from every day day life? As far as I can tell, we live for the ups and downs, it all provides pub and forum talk. When we got relegated to league 1, I am sure we all supported the same team, I am also sure the worries were greater then before Markus took over. We will continue to have good times and bad times, but isn't that being a football supporter? We could be Man U fans for instance, having to endure Moyes and Van Gaal, spending ridiculous money to not even qualify for CL. We live for Sat afternoon or whenever match day is, not sure that will ever change. I don't think we have melt downers or the happy clappy side either, we all support same team but maybe have different values regarding it! My point is CL or conference, we would still be here debating the issues of the day, ie should we sign Pogba or Paul Wotton!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 It's Grendel and his mum you should be worrying about Very droll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 Just wondered what exactly we worry about? Isn't supporting a football team meant to be fun, an aside from every day day life? As far as I can tell, we live for the ups and downs, it all provides pub and forum talk. When we got relegated to league 1, I am sure we all supported the same team, I am also sure the worries were greater then before Markus took over. We will continue to have good times and bad times, but isn't that being a football supporter? We could be Man U fans for instance, having to endure Moyes and Van Gaal, spending ridiculous money to not even qualify for CL. We live for Sat afternoon or whenever match day is, not sure that will ever change. I don't think we have melt downers or the happy clappy side either, we all support same team but maybe have different values regarding it! My point is CL or conference, we would still be here debating the issues of the day, ie should we sign Pogba or Paul Wotton!! Well said, Thorpie! So often these discussions are Optimists v Pessimists.......and a few in the middle. Not sure what the pessimists get out of sharing their fears but sadly for some people, that is the way they look at the world, peering over the brim of a half empty glass. Especially sad when you've got a great football club like Southampton to support. It seems reasonable to assume that the people running the club, from the Board to the coaching staff, know as much about football as the average fan, and possibly, a little bit more. If you think that, it's easier to be cheerful about your supporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowulf Posted 10 July, 2016 Author Share Posted 10 July, 2016 Or Realists... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 Having a concern that we have lost our manager again and that we have lost some players is ok ....but it gets pathetic when fans start bleating and forecasting armegedon. How long has any manager in the Premiership stayed in his job at his current club?....take Wegner out of this equation.....managers move on all the time....can we at least give Puel a couple of months into the season before calling for his head. Mane whether we like it or not made it quite clear that he would move on. Liverpool ARE a bigger club than us,they may have finished below us for the first time ever but they still got to a major final, they can offer more money, Klopp is probably an incentive to move there and they SHOULD be back ammongst the top clubs again this season. So realistically we could not have kept Mane and we have got a decent fee for him. VW likewise has made it very clear he wanted off because he felt he could play for a top 4 side and has again gone to a Bigger club than us. Spurs will play Champions league next season. We cannot compete with that. Saints have got a reasonable fee. Pelle is a conundrum. On his day excellent and unplayable, on other he seems disinterested and moans like hell at everyone. Personally i like him and would want him to stay BUT if reports are true and he is off to China town then who can blame him for what he will earn there. Saints obviously believe he is either replaceable or they already have his replacement and are confident there are no fitness issues (at some point you have to trust the club no more about the players than we do) It is only the 10th July and the new manager has only been in place little over a week. Can we stop all the hysterical panicking until the transfer window has shut and we have signed no one, we have sold of all the crown jewels and we are sitting at the bottom of the league after 10 games having played a team full of U21 players.....Please show some common sense! Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints boy in Leeds Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 I'm actually looking forward to this season. It seems that the players that wanted to leave have left so in my eyes that leaves us with a squad of players that want to work hard and be at the club. Redman excites me as I believe he has pedigree and as long as he's here to work hard and improve will be a great signing. I would say I'd like to see another striker come in for when Pelle goes and maybe 2/3 others for Def & Mid cover due to the amount and frequency of games the team will need to play but we still have time to make signings before the season starts. All my opinion of course. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 Well said, Thorpie! So often these discussions are Optimists v Pessimists.......and a few in the middle. Not sure what the pessimists get out of sharing their fears but sadly for some people, that is the way they look at the world, peering over the brim of a half empty glass. Especially sad when you've got a great football club like Southampton to support. It seems reasonable to assume that the people running the club, from the Board to the coaching staff, know as much about football as the average fan, and possibly, a little bit more. If you think that, it's easier to be cheerful about your supporting. Patronising!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 (edited) Despite all the media coverage on Jose and Man U......a quick look at the side that Van Gaal started his first season with would find quite a few gaps in the line-up. Now the story is he's going to sell-off 8 players ....to fund the Pogba buy .. No matter what their " qualities " all these new big money signings are prima donnas - where are all the road-sweepers? Ironically - Saints have only 5 players still on the books who were with us at the start of 2013-14. Who?.....Fonte (of course), JWP, Jay Rod and Steven Davis was on the bench that day, and Yoshida was also on staff. Players come and go... we just seem to get better and better. Worried?......not as much as I was at the start of 2009-10, when we were -10 points at the bottom of L1. Edited 10 July, 2016 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 (edited) Can somebody tell me wtf this means? Anyone? That that is is that that is not is not is that it it is. Possibly. Or something about buffalo. Edited 10 July, 2016 by Suhari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 Lose a manager they moan, get in a manager with a reputation of staying with clubs for the long term (much longer than usual in today's climate) and they moan. You can't win with some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 It's always a worry until you get to 40 points and you can't get any points in the summer so I can see why some people are always worried at this time of year. The time to really worry is when you are not worried because complacency will really have set in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 I think point 3 is wrong, Jay Rod and Austin if they stay fit are more then good enough to help us finish top 8. However I agree it is not acceptable for the best players to be sold every season and to have Les Reed lie to us again, however so much of the fan base accept it so they think they can get away with it, we will get found out one season and finish much lower and maybe even get relegated, however I think worse case this season coming up we finish 11th/12th if Jay Rod and Austin struggle to play 30 or more games. Puel is unknown and maybe he can guide us to another top 8/7 finish and a good cup run but we need to reserve judgement until Nov/Dec. I love the way people dramatically say we sold our best players. Mane and Wanyama were not our best players. By Christmas most expected Mane and Wanyama to leave in the summer. Mane went through a dry spell showing we could survive without him and Wanyama increasingly became a yellow car liability. Our best players were, without doubt, Forster, VVD, Davis and Long. Haven't responded to the Les Reead lies comment as I have no idea what that is about (unless you are still harping on about the time Poch left....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 Or Realists... Define a realist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Biscuits Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 People panicking before a ball has been kicked...... Might as well worry about the sun rising. I'll worry if we're in the relegation zone at Christmas. Not before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugger Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 I love the way people dramatically say we sold our best players. Mane and Wanyama were not our best players. Mane was our best attacker. In the top 3 of our best players easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 Mane was our best attacker. In the top 3 of our best players easily. Im not going to argue - statistically you may well be right. Certainly he came good right at the end of the season. But over the season I would say Long was our best attacker (I'm partly influenced by his all round play and work rate) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugger Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 Im not going to argue - statistically you may well be right. Certainly he came good right at the end of the season. But over the season I would say Long was our best attacker (I'm partly influenced by his all round play and work rate) Not statistically. Just through watching our games. Long did well and was a pest to play against but Mane was our best attacker hence why he is the one a team has paid £34m for. Wanyama was also our first pick central midfielder. Of course both were going to go this summer, we knew that. But no point pretending they weren't both very key players - they clearly were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 Relegation for a club like Southampton is always a few poor results, bad luck or injuries away. If we do get relegated I think we have a well run club that will bounce back quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 Relegation for a club like Southampton is always a few poor results, bad luck or injuries away. If we do get relegated I think we have a well run club that will bounce back quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 Relegation for a club like Southampton is always a few poor results, bad luck or injuries away. If we do get relegated I think we have a well run club that will bounce back quickly. Good point, rarely posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 If we buy well we will be ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowulf Posted 10 July, 2016 Author Share Posted 10 July, 2016 Define a realist. A person who believes in the theory of realism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 10 July, 2016 Share Posted 10 July, 2016 Your right to be worried. We have lost a lot of goals in mane and most likely pelle. The aim now seems to be spending less and bringing youth in. No doubt to sell them on in a couple of years and repeat etc. To me you need to invest and show a little ambition .We all know how it ended up with Lowe. And I am sick of hearing about this 5 year plan etc. Seems to me all the plan is to make as much money as they can .We need a fast forward for me. Musa would of been a great signing. If your objective is to make 20m to 30m. A year profit on transfers year after year and be seen to allow successful players to move on it will encourage ambitious youngsters to choose us We are obviously happy to remain a top 10 side that attracts good youngsters puts them in the shop window and allows them to move on for a profit It is a strategy we have implemented successfully for three year now and whilst it has risks it seems to be working We know we cannot compete with the top clubs on commercial revenue and seem to be happy repeating this sequence It means the owner makes money and the fans get to see good young players so not all bad It also means we stay within our means and never risk the clubs finances which again for a club of our size is the sensible thing to do we can all remember the consequences of what happens once you are on a slippery financial slope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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