Winnersaint Posted 5 July, 2016 Posted 5 July, 2016 OK staff room discussion this lunchtime seemed to be about Joe Allen and where he would be playing next season. One view was that he would be an ideal player for Saints, one which I pretty much poo-pooed. I'm not sure whether there was a somewhat parochial view that he would improve us because he was a Liverpool player and that any unwanted Liverpool player would add to us merely because he played for Liverpool and we were Saints, but I pretty much disagreed that he would improve us. One view put forward was that he was 'better' than Steven Davis. So I thought this through and tried to rationalise whether we could indeed be missing out. I feel that Allen is a number of things; a tidy passer, albeit rather too sideways and a bit of a breaker up of play sprung to mind, but I struggled beyond that. I don't think he is dynamic enough for us and would slow things down through the middle in a team that will play with a press and move the ball forward quickly under Claude Puel. My view is that JWP is not dissimilar, nor is Clasie in some ways and I couldn't see Allen improving on what they already give. In addition we are talking about a non first-team regular for a team we finished above, so over to you. Would Joe Allen improve us?
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 5 July, 2016 Posted 5 July, 2016 No. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Yes, of course. I reckon it would be 50/50 as to whether he'd make us better.
Winnersaint Posted 5 July, 2016 Author Posted 5 July, 2016 I reckon it would be 50/50 as to whether he'd make us better. Kind of what I felt. More of a maintain the status quo player rather than an upgrade.
doddisalegend Posted 5 July, 2016 Posted 5 July, 2016 I think he is a decent player quite similar to Steven Davis but five years younger I wouldn't be upset if we signed him at all. Steven Davis hasn't got to many more years in him.
Saint Billy Posted 5 July, 2016 Posted 5 July, 2016 Not sure, he works hard and will put a shift in but don't see him as a great improvement on what we already have.
a1ex2001 Posted 5 July, 2016 Posted 5 July, 2016 Would fit with what we have but not be an upgrade for me do I can't see him signing for us as he eouldn't be necessarily get a lot of game time. He's a decent player though!
Winnersaint Posted 5 July, 2016 Author Posted 5 July, 2016 (edited) Our problem is scoring from midfield not necessarily playing through it. He would take nothing away from the latter, but would add nothing to the former. Perhaps Sigurdsson would be a better bet. Edited 5 July, 2016 by Winnersaint
SuperSAINT Posted 5 July, 2016 Posted 5 July, 2016 (edited) He's a good player but no better than Davis, and JWP and Reed need games. We need one midfield signing to come in a dominate. Someone better than Clasie, Romeu, Davis and JWP who are all good, but none of whom are Wanyama and Scheiderlin levels. We need someone of that level, which isn't Joe Allen. Adrian pretty much nails it with this. I like Joe Allen - good player - but not exactly what we need right now & not at £10m. Edited 5 July, 2016 by SuperSAINT
Bobbyboy Posted 5 July, 2016 Posted 5 July, 2016 Liverpool reportedly want £14m For Joe Allen or just because they're short of cash?
tajjuk Posted 5 July, 2016 Posted 5 July, 2016 Nope, no better than what we have, if that. He's a Liverpool reject, he could barely get into a team last year that finished 8th. Lets not get hoodwinked by the Euros, Wales are an excellent team, greater than the sum of their parts, does not suddenly mean we should get some of those parts unless they are Bale, Ramsey and maybe Williams. All of which are unrealistic and Williams is maybe a bit old. But Joe Allen nope.
Convict Colony Posted 5 July, 2016 Posted 5 July, 2016 I've seen joe Allen mentioned a fair bit on here over the last 4 weeks has his agent just joined our forum or something. He is dog **** and is the last type of midfielder we currently need as we have small play makers covered, we need big unit destroyer not some Welsh fairy Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Lighthouse Posted 5 July, 2016 Posted 5 July, 2016 I think he is a decent player quite similar to Steven Davis but five years younger I wouldn't be upset if we signed him at all. Steven Davis hasn't got to many more years in him. So you're saying Davis is the Northern Irish, Welsh Pirlo?
JxgrSaint Posted 5 July, 2016 Posted 5 July, 2016 No, he can't even get in the starting 11 of a team that finished below us - automatically not good enough...
Saint-Fred Posted 5 July, 2016 Posted 5 July, 2016 Have we not learned anything from Liverpool? Buy a load of players from a team which finished 8th and you finish....surprisingly enough....8th! So it's a no from me.
Fabrice29 Posted 5 July, 2016 Posted 5 July, 2016 Would he improve us? Yes. Would he improve us significantly? No. Would he improve us enough to fork out the money we would have to? Absolutely not.
Slugger Posted 5 July, 2016 Posted 5 July, 2016 Allen is a good player but I thinknwe already have players of his style at the club. What we currently lack is in central midfield with the options we currently have is: - Presence - Power - Agility At this stage of pre season central midfield is possibly our weakest area for me. Certainly when for a few seasons we had Wanyama and Schneiderlin. At the moment none of our options are even close to their level.
doddisalegend Posted 6 July, 2016 Posted 6 July, 2016 So you're saying Davis is the Northern Irish, Welsh Pirlo? Well I'd certainly take the welsh Pirlo over the English Paul Telfer that is JWP.
Lord Duckhunter Posted 6 July, 2016 Posted 6 July, 2016 He's a far better player than JWP & Reed . So he would improve us , no doubt . Whether he's worth the money for the improvement is debatable .I'm sure there's better value around , but I would quite like a few more Brits in the squad
Toomer Posted 6 July, 2016 Posted 6 July, 2016 What we need is a midfielder that can chip in with 8 or so goals a season.
Saints foreva Posted 6 July, 2016 Posted 6 July, 2016 I think he's better than Jordy Clasie.... *ducks for cover*
Foxstone Posted 6 July, 2016 Posted 6 July, 2016 I would Rather we spend some of that £14m to sign Kaputska from Cracovia
Saint IQ Posted 6 July, 2016 Posted 6 July, 2016 We only need one CM signing and that has to be a powerful, tackling enforcer. Allen is a decent player but we have many good options in a similar mould to him.
Lighthouse Posted 6 July, 2016 Posted 6 July, 2016 I would Rather we spend some of that £14m to sign Kaputska from Cracovia Having only seen him in the Euros, I'd be inclined to agree. Assuming the scouts know a lot more about him than I do, I'd be much more excited to see the club taking a punt on players like this than safe but uninspiring players like Allen.
OldNick Posted 6 July, 2016 Posted 6 July, 2016 the thread asks would he improve us. IMO he would and is a box to box midfielder.
Nordic Saint Posted 6 July, 2016 Posted 6 July, 2016 Like a few players who've not really impressed in the Premier League, he's done well in the Euros. But, whenever he's played for Liverpool, he's looked fairly anonymous, to such an extent that I always hoped he'd be in their lineup when they played against us. I can certainly see why they'd want to sell him but not why any top 8 team would want to buy him and I'd expect him to end up at one of he bottom teams like Sunderland, West Brom or Watford or a newly-promoted team and again I'll be happy to see him in the oppostion lineup as he won't make much of an impact.
tajjuk Posted 6 July, 2016 Posted 6 July, 2016 He's a far better player than JWP & Reed . He's really not, he was trash last season for Liverpool, I have two Liverpool mates and they moaned about him constantly. They'd royally take the **** if we bought him, not thanks at all total backwards signing. JWP can at least pass forwards and take a set piece. He's also 21 not 26, Allen should pretty much be entering his peak.
Lighthouse Posted 6 July, 2016 Posted 6 July, 2016 the thread asks would he improve us. IMO he would and is a box to box midfielder. Hundreds could but we've only got space in the squad for one (unless someone else leaves) and I'd rather it wasn't Allen.
captainchris Posted 6 July, 2016 Posted 6 July, 2016 Had a good at him again tonight...... Nowhere near good enough for us.... Struggled again...
suewhistle Posted 6 July, 2016 Posted 6 July, 2016 No. That was even before tonight. Competent but not too much more.
Shance Posted 6 July, 2016 Posted 6 July, 2016 the thread asks would he improve us. IMO he would and is a box to box midfielder. Well I personally wouldn't start him over Classie.
harvey Posted 6 July, 2016 Posted 6 July, 2016 I can't even believe some people are considering this.
cellone Posted 7 July, 2016 Posted 7 July, 2016 I can't even believe some people are considering this. I can.
Wade Garrett Posted 7 July, 2016 Posted 7 July, 2016 Didn't think he had his best game last night. His distribution was woeful.
stedje Posted 7 July, 2016 Posted 7 July, 2016 Would he improve us? Yes. Would he improve us significantly? No. Would he improve us enough to fork out the money we would have to? Absolutely not. Spot on!
captainchris Posted 7 July, 2016 Posted 7 July, 2016 Spot on! How on earth would he improve us? He is not as good as what we have and most certainly not better... Just not sure why he is attracting any praise as a player with any potential for us.... Doesn't make any sense..
a1ex2001 Posted 7 July, 2016 Posted 7 July, 2016 Didn't think he had his best game last night. His distribution was woeful. Wales without Ramsey look seriously limited which I think made all the players look that little bit worse last night, Allen suddenly looks like the average premier league player he is and one or two others suddenly look like the lower league players they are. I think it is underestimated how important he is using up the space created by the opposition concentrating on Bale. Ramsey is a very very good footballer and one of only three wales players that would walk into the England team.
sandwichsaint Posted 7 July, 2016 Posted 7 July, 2016 Can I just be the first to say that if we are going to spend £12m on Joe Allen we might as well have kept Jack Cork (..............yes, I know he didn't want to say/we didn't want to give him a better deal/behind MS and VW for starts etc etc). JA is definitely not an upgrade on our current options, more of an addition; he would be an (expensive) squad-filler but he would be an ideal DAJFU-budgeting-for-11th type of a purchase. We could probably get better value abroad but the bottom line is we are already well-stocked in what he offers, we need a decent destroyer and a decent creator, we already have plenty of water carriers. A big 'NO' from me.
Professor Posted 7 July, 2016 Posted 7 July, 2016 If this is a dedicated thread on a random player just because he's been in a team in the Euro 16 competition maybe we'll soon have threads on all the Iceland squad, one of whom I see is linked with the mighty Norwich. It's interesting to speculate about signings but shouldn't the focus be on players who would fill a gap in the squad or are an improvement on someone we already have. Not sure I can see a reason for picking this player out for discussion.
Slugger Posted 7 July, 2016 Posted 7 July, 2016 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/07/07/wales-heroes-joe-allen-and-hal-robson-kanu-attracting-interest-f/ This says we are interested. Personally think we are massively lacking strength and mobility in our midfield options and Allen wouldn't help there.
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