Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[trousers]

We are an IT services organisation, 15 people in total. We have a focus on financial orgs (banking, insurance) but we also provide services to retail.

 

Cheers. I work for a small software company (also with banks etc as our main clients) and haven't noticed any significant slow down yet, indeed, our results for 2016 were better than 2015, although perhaps any lag hasn't caught up with us yet. If it gets anywhere near as bad as it did after the 2008 crash then I'll start to get worried

[hutch]

It's not a left v right issue, Brexit didn't come about because of the swivel eyed UKIP voters, it happened because the Labour heartlands voted for it on mass.

I would say touché, but I think we have to say clever now.

[Verbal]

It's not a left v right issue, Brexit didn't come about because of the swivel eyed UKIP voters, it happened because the Labour heartlands voted for it on mass.

 

Nope.

 

By the lowest estimate, 63% of Labour voters in 2015 voted Remain. Lord Ashcroft put the percentage as a little higher than 70%.

 

Broken down by region, 2015 Labour voters also voted Remain: 57% in the north, 60% in the midlands, 67% in the south, 74% in London, 64% in Wales, and 66% in Scotland.

 

In Labour-held seats alone, 63% voted Remain. In Labour-held seats in the north and the midlands, the 'Labour heartlands', 57% of Labour voters voted Remain.

 

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/is-labours-brexit-dilemma-being-misunderstood/?platform=hootsuite

[buctootim]

Brexit didn't come about because of the swivel eyed UKIP voters, it happened because the Labour heartlands voted for it on mass.

 

I remember pre Brexit days when it was still 'en masse'

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

Nope.

 

By the lowest estimate, 63% of Labour voters in 2015 voted Remain. Lord Ashcroft put the percentage as a little higher than 70%.

 

Broken down by region, 2015 Labour voters also voted Remain: 57% in the north, 60% in the midlands, 67% in the south, 74% in London, 64% in Wales, and 66% in Scotland.

 

In Labour-held seats alone, 63% voted Remain. In Labour-held seats in the north and the midlands, the 'Labour heartlands', 57% of Labour voters voted Remain.

 

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/is-labours-brexit-dilemma-being-misunderstood/?platform=hootsuite

 

I don't think your figures take into account those voters that had migrated from Labour to UKIP at the last election. Everyone had assumed that UKIP voters were Blazer wearing Golf Club Tories, including Cameron which is why he tried to win them back with a referendum. One of the stories of 2015's election was the defection of the traditional Labour vote to UKIP. If you count these former Labour supporters then I would believe that your numbers would look very different.

[buctootim]

I don't think your figures take into account those voters that had migrated from Labour to UKIP at the last election. Everyone had assumed that UKIP voters were Blazer wearing Golf Club Tories, including Cameron which is why he tried to win them back with a referendum. One of the stories of 2015's election was the defection of the traditional Labour vote to UKIP. If you count these former Labour supporters then I would believe that your numbers would look very different.

 

There is a bit of truth in that. UKIP does have quite a few poorer, less educated supporters, not the golf club crowd - but its also true the majority of Labour voters - ex or current - voted remain.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/06/08/general-election-2015-how-britain-really-voted/

[Verbal]

I don't think your figures take into account those voters that had migrated from Labour to UKIP at the last election. Everyone had assumed that UKIP voters were Blazer wearing Golf Club Tories, including Cameron which is why he tried to win them back with a referendum. One of the stories of 2015's election was the defection of the traditional Labour vote to UKIP. If you count these former Labour supporters then I would believe that your numbers would look very different.

 

Then you have to read my post - and the link to Professor Curtice's work - more carefully. Those figures relate ONLY to those voters to voted Labour in the 2015 election.

 

The colossal fallacy in arguments about Labour heartlands voting leave is the false assumption that these heartlands don't have any voters other than Labour ones. Even Corbyn - well, also Corbyn - has been guilty of making this error in concluding that some sort of accommodation has to be made to a non-existent majority of Labour voters in the north who voted Leave. The fact is - they didn't.

[shurlock]

There is a bit of truth in that. UKIP does have quite a few poorer, less educated supporters, not the golf club crowd - but its also true the majority of Labour voters - ex or current - voted remain.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/06/08/general-election-2015-how-britain-really-voted/

 

Look no further than our Les.

[buctootim]

Look no further than our Les.

 

Exactement. The biggest stat from that YouGov report was that over half of UKIP supporters read the Star or Express. Explains a lot

[Lord Duckhunter]

If every labour voter voted remain , we'd have stayed in.

 

 

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[Verbal]

If every labour voter voted remain , we'd have stayed in.

 

 

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If you want to stop Remainers calling Brexiteers malignantly stupid, it might be an idea to stop handing them the ammunition.

[Lord Duckhunter]

If you want to stop Remainers calling Brexiteers malignantly stupid, it might be an idea to stop handing them the ammunition.

 

So stating a fact makes one stupid? By that logic the more facts you know the more stupid you are. That Hawkins must be a right ****ing pillock.

 

 

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[OldNick]

Interested to know if anybody else's work has been directly affected by the brexit decision?

We have had around 3-4 major projects for different customers postponed or cancelled, and their reason has been 'brexit uncertainty'. Obviously this has directly affected our revenue and therefore profitability. Keen to hear if this has affected others.

January was very quiet, I put that down to the world holding its breath re Trump. The last month things have improved again and there is more business around.

People are holding back making decisions IMO

[Wes Tender]

Exactement. The biggest stat from that YouGov report was that over half of UKIP supporters read the Star or Express. Explains a lot

 

You really have no idea, Timmy. I'm privately educated, run my own business, am a lifelong Conservative voter and if I read any newspaper it is the Telegraph.

 

But if it suits your leftie agenda to pigeon-hole and categorise people to comfort yourself that anybody who voted to leave the EU couldn't have had the intelligence to make the right decision, then I can tell you that it is the likes of you, Verbal and Shatlock who have been a great help to the Brexit campaign. All over the country, there are your arrogant, superior, snide and effete leftie equivalents, and during the referendum campaign they will have annoyed, bored and insulted their work mates and acquintances to the extent that many of them will have concluded that if the likes of you supported remain, then their natural position must be on the other side.

 

I am delighted to see though that you three in particular are taking the triggering of Article 50 so badly, and that you are reduced to your juvenile little tirade of insults in an attempt to mitigate the hurt you are feeling.

[Plastic]

That Hawkins must be a right ****ing pillock.

There is a professor Stephen Hawkins, but something tells me you were attempting to refer to someone else.

[shurlock]

You really have no idea, Timmy. I'm privately educated, run my own business, am a lifelong Conservative voter and if I read any newspaper it is the Telegraph.

 

But if it suits your leftie agenda to pigeon-hole and categorise people to comfort yourself that anybody who voted to leave the EU couldn't have had the intelligence to make the right decision, then I can tell you that it is the likes of you, Verbal and Shatlock who have been a great help to the Brexit campaign. All over the country, there are your arrogant, superior, snide and effete leftie equivalents, and during the referendum campaign they will have annoyed, bored and insulted their work mates and acquintances to the extent that many of them will have concluded that if the likes of you supported remain, then their natural position must be on the other side.

 

I am delighted to see though that you three in particular are taking the triggering of Article 50 so badly, and that you are reduced to your juvenile little tirade of insults in an attempt to mitigate the hurt you are feeling.

 

 

Not hurt, Les. Actually v. glad things are under way, so reality can start to expose your kipper delusions, one by one.

 

So you are the golf-club tie wearing type? Your posts certainly reek of the type of provincialism that only a mediocre, overpriced education can inculcate. A duffer stuffed on a diet of nostalgia and petty grievance.

Edited 30 March, 2017 by shurlock

[Orange]

Not used that terminology personally. Brexit is about inequality in the UK and a society which believes it is entitled without taking any responsibility. It is a similar breeding ground to Post WW1 Germany, and we all know how that ended.

 

Could you expand on that? Struggling to see what you're trying to say there.

[buctootim]

You really have no idea, Timmy. I'm privately educated, run my own business, am a lifelong Conservative voter and if I read any newspaper it is the Telegraph.

 

But if it suits your leftie agenda to pigeon-hole and categorise people to comfort yourself that anybody who voted to leave the EU couldn't have had the intelligence to make the right decision, then I can tell you that it is the likes of you, Verbal and Shatlock who have been a great help to the Brexit campaign. All over the country, there are your arrogant, superior, snide and effete leftie equivalents, and during the referendum campaign they will have annoyed, bored and insulted their work mates and acquintances to the extent that many of them will have concluded that if the likes of you supported remain, then their natural position must be on the other side.

 

I am delighted to see though that you three in particular are taking the triggering of Article 50 so badly, and that you are reduced to your juvenile little tirade of insults in an attempt to mitigate the hurt you are feeling.

 

Wes its obvious from your time on this thread that you aren't classically thick, more cognitively deficient. Your inability to follow arguments and to respond logically to points or evidence is legendary. Your response to to my last post exemplifies it.

 

I say half the UKIP voters read the Star and Express. You think saying that you read the Telegraph nullifies my point. It doesn't, its just yet another non sequitur. 1. because saying half UKIP voters do one thing clearly implies the other half do something else. 2 you claim to not be UKIP anyway so what you do is irrelevant.

Edited 31 March, 2017 by buctootim

[aintforever]

Nope.

 

By the lowest estimate, 63% of Labour voters in 2015 voted Remain. Lord Ashcroft put the percentage as a little higher than 70%.

 

Broken down by region, 2015 Labour voters also voted Remain: 57% in the north, 60% in the midlands, 67% in the south, 74% in London, 64% in Wales, and 66% in Scotland.

 

In Labour-held seats alone, 63% voted Remain. In Labour-held seats in the north and the midlands, the 'Labour heartlands', 57% of Labour voters voted Remain.

 

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/is-labours-brexit-dilemma-being-misunderstood/?platform=hootsuite

 

I was talking about Labour held areas, I think it was something like 7 in 10 Labour held constituencies voted for Brexit.

[badgerx16]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39442901

 

"The lawmakers also suggested Russian influence may have affected Britain's Brexit vote last year"

 

Were they masquerading as disgruntled Labour voters, or as UKIP zealots ?

[Plastic]

"The lawmakers also suggested Russian influence may have affected Britain's Brexit vote last year"

Organised Russian gangs attacked English supporters at Euro 2016, just weeks before the vote. French police reacted slowly and blamed English fans for the violence. This may have led to bitterness and bad feeling within many English communities, and played a part in the the result. Sure, it may not have made much of an impact, but 2% was enough.

Russia benefits greatly from a distracted and divided Europe. If it was orchestrated, it was a master stroke.

[Winnersaint]

I was talking about Labour held areas, I think it was something like 7 in 10 Labour held constituencies voted for Brexit.

Large swathes of working class Britain voted for Brexit because the inequalities that exist in such areas. These are socio-economic and cultural inequalities have been there for years and years going back to the 1970s. I can't condemn it, but I can disagree with it.

[Winnersaint]

Organised Russian gangs attacked English supporters at Euro 2016, just weeks before the vote. French police reacted slowly and blamed English fans for the violence. This may have led to bitterness and bad feeling within many English communities, and played a part in the the result. Sure, it may not have made much of an impact, but 2% was enough.

Russia benefits greatly from a distracted and divided Europe. If it was orchestrated, it was a master stroke.

 

Staunch pro-EU as I am if I suggested this to my wife, also very pro-EU she'd have me sectioned.

[Plastic]

Staunch pro-EU.if I suggested this to my wife, also very pro-EU she'd have me sectioned.

 

Hey, its a bit out there, but not beyond the realms of possibility. Anyway, the decision to schedule the vote during the euro's, when those with less perspective may have been feeling a bit hard done by, could have been a mistake.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.newstatesman.com/politics/sport/2016/02/will-euro-2016-have-impact-eu-referendum-result%3Famp

Edited 30 March, 2017 by Plastic

[Winnersaint]

Hey, its a bit out there, but not beyond the realms of possibility. Anyway, the decision to schedule the vote during the euro's, when those with less perspective may have been feeling a bit hard done by, could have been a mistake.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.newstatesman.com/politics/sport/2016/02/will-euro-2016-have-impact-eu-referendum-result%3Famp

Glastonbury could be blamed for the poor turnout of the younger vote.

[Plastic]

Glastonbury could be blamed for the poor turnout of the younger vote.

The accretion of small effects, can affect.

[shurlock]

Large swathes of working class Britain voted for Brexit because the inequalities that exist in such areas. These are socio-economic and cultural inequalities have been there for years and years going back to the 1970s. I can't condemn it, but I can disagree with it.

 

Suspect we'll see the contradictory expectations among Brexiters come apart in the next few years,

 

You have the Jacob Rees Moggs of this world and golf-club tie wearing kippers like Les who couldn't give two f**ks about the working class and want to turn the UK into a free trade powerhouse. Leaving side the realism (or ridiculousness) of this vision, it'll likely entail more stress and disruption for those who have fallen behind.

 

Interesting research has found that for all the bleating about immigration, a far stronger driver of regional support for Brexit, especially in Labour-held areas was globalisation and the surge of manufacturing imports from China. Needless to say, Brexit doesn't offer anying for these groups - in fact it promises to stitch them up even more.

 

http://voxeu.org/article/globalisation-and-brexit

[Lord Duckhunter]

Organised Russian gangs attacked English supporters at Euro 2016, just weeks before the vote. French police reacted slowly and blamed English fans for the violence. This may have led to bitterness and bad feeling within many English communities, and played a part in the the result. Sure, it may not have made much of an impact, but 2% was enough.

Russia benefits greatly from a distracted and divided Europe. If it was orchestrated, it was a master stroke.

 

What!!!!

 

Are you serous?

 

 

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[Winnersaint]

The accretion of small effects, can affect.

 

Or as Dave Brailsford would call it; the accumulation of marginal gains.

[Plastic]

What!!!!

Are you serous?

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It's just an idea - I haven't proclaimed it as fact. You know, like the 350m for the NHS.

 

Or as Dave Brailsford would call it; the accumulation of marginal gains.

Quite so

[Orange]

Suspect we'll see the contradictory expectations among Brexiters come apart in the next few years,

 

You have the Jacob Rees Moggs of this world and golf-club tie wearing kippers like Les who couldn't give two f**ks about the working class and want to turn the UK into a free trade powerhouse. Leaving side the realism (or ridiculousness) of this vision, it'll likely entail more stress and disruption for those who have fallen behind.

 

Interesting research has found that for all the bleating about immigration, a far stronger driver of regional support for Brexit, especially in Labour-held areas was globalisation and the surge of manufacturing imports from China. Needless to say, Brexit doesn't offer anying for these groups - in fact it promises to stitch them up even more.

 

http://voxeu.org/article/globalisation-and-brexit

 

Yes silly them... they should have listened to Chrisitine Legarde, Blair and the banking sector, who really had their interests at heart.

 

A coalition was seen in the referendum not so incompatible as you're trying to make out. A large proportion of leafy provincial middle class England joining together with more urban traditional working class areas. Yes there's obviously differences in a Dan Hannan type vision compared to a lot of working class voters. But end of the day they were linked by a shared patriotic belief in nation state sovereignty and a rejection of the globalist Bilderberg vision. That trumps disagreements over levels of immigration or what have you. If you look back at polling there's always been a majority of people in the UK very sceptical about EU integration, with a clear majority having just favored a free trade type relationship over political union. The EU changed, we didn't, people saw the direction of travel and rejected it.

[adrian lord]

https://youtu.be/NRV2ba-i3qg

[Wes Tender]

Yes silly them... they should have listened to Chrisitine Legarde, Blair and the banking sector, who really had their interests at heart.

 

A coalition was seen in the referendum not so incompatible as you're trying to make out. A large proportion of leafy provincial middle class England joining together with more urban traditional working class areas. Yes there's obviously differences in a Dan Hannan type vision compared to a lot of working class voters. But end of the day they were linked by a shared patriotic belief in nation state sovereignty and a rejection of the globalist Bilderberg vision. That trumps disagreements over levels of immigration or what have you. If you look back at polling there's always been a majority of people in the UK very sceptical about EU integration, with a clear majority having just favored a free trade type relationship over political union. The EU changed, we didn't, people saw the direction of travel and rejected it.

 

Quite. That's a scenario completely beyond the comprehension of Shatlock, due to his blinkered and limited imagination.

[shurlock]

Yes silly them... they should have listened to Chrisitine Legarde, Blair and the banking sector, who really had their interests at heart.

 

A coalition was seen in the referendum not so incompatible as you're trying to make out. A large proportion of leafy provincial middle class England joining together with more urban traditional working class areas. Yes there's obviously differences in a Dan Hannan type vision compared to a lot of working class voters. But end of the day they were linked by a shared patriotic belief in nation state sovereignty and a rejection of the globalist Bilderberg vision. That trumps disagreements over levels of immigration or what have you. If you look back at polling there's always been a majority of people in the UK very sceptical about EU integration, with a clear majority having just favored a free trade type relationship over political union. The EU changed, we didn't, people saw the direction of travel and rejected it.

 

globalist Bilderberg vision?

 

What's that in English rather than crazy kipper talk -or in Les case thinly veiled antisemitism. Are we talking about the same EU, the handpuppet of big business that's taking antitrust action against Google as it did with Microsoft. Are we talking about the same EU that has had its efforts to regulate the big banks consistently frustrated by the UK. Check your facts.

 

You hark on about sovereignty yet show little concern how impoverished the UK's FPTP system is (the real democratic deficit) - and seem even afraid of it as you oppose a meaningful role for parliament in negotiations. You seem to have no idea that in a globalised world the UK's freedom of action is already circumscribed in countless ways. It may sound like a heresy to your average kipper but pooling sovereignty in certain cases can increase, not reduce control in the face of these challenges.

 

Neither do you realise that there's a basic incompatibility between national sovereignty and closer trade, whoever its with. Cross-border trade is no longer about lowering tariffs (they are already low) but ensuring a level playing field in the way rules and regulations are applied by national authorities. If the UK wants to meaningfully boost trade with the rest of world by tackling nontariff barriers, it will face exactly the same dilemmas of control and compromise -only this time it will be on its own and enjoy much less bargaining power.

 

 

So there we have it -taking back control just to potentially hand it over to somebody else. If it doesn't happen, it will only be because any deal the UK has struck is if limited significance. The kipper nostalgia for grandeur will only produce the opposite reality of the UK's status as a diminished, postimperial power. Truth hurts.

Edited 31 March, 2017 by shurlock

[hutch]

If the UK wants to meaningfully boost trade with the rest of world by tackling nontariff barriers, it will face exactly the same dilemmas of control and compromise -only this time it will be on its own and enjoy much less bargaining power.

The United Kingdom had (has) absolutely no bargaining power to tackle non-tariff barriers with non-EU states while a member of the EU. None whatsoever. Now it will have some, and good international traders and entrepreneurs that will put it to good use. I'm talking about real businessmen with proper jobs, not half-ar$ed consultants and think tank academics that sit around all day spending EU grants pontificating nothing very useful and virtually high-fIving one another because they got another piece referenced in the Guardian. Or the Huffington Post. I'm sure you know the sort I'm thinking of don't you Sherlock?

[hutch]

I thought the Prime Minister's letter to the other Donald was a pretty disappointing piece of work, considering the wealth of intellectual talent that is available to the government.

 

I'll be very interested to see the text of Sturgeon's letter to the PM. It is trumpeted as a demand for a referendum, but is that what it is? Or will it be a veiled demand to transfer the Constitutional control of the nature of the British Union to Edinburgh. I doubt if it will contain any commitment to hold a referendum next year, but it will likely be a demand for the SNP to be given the right to decide if and when to hold any future referendums, and on what terms. And I fully expect Sturgeon's toys and dummies to be flying in all directions when the British government rightly declines.

Edited 31 March, 2017 by hutch

[Sour Mash]

Organised Russian gangs attacked English supporters at Euro 2016, just weeks before the vote. French police reacted slowly and blamed English fans for the violence. This may have led to bitterness and bad feeling within many English communities, and played a part in the the result. Sure, it may not have made much of an impact, but 2% was enough.

Russia benefits greatly from a distracted and divided Europe. If it was orchestrated, it was a master stroke.

:lol: I love this thread.

[buctootim]

I thought the Prime Minister's letter to the other Donald was a pretty disappointing piece of work, considering the wealth of intellectual talent that is available to the government.

 

I'll be very interested to see the text of Sturgeon's letter to the PM. It is trumpeted as a demand for a referendum, but is that what it is? Or will it be a veiled demand to transfer the Constitutional control of the nature of the British Union to Edinburgh. I doubt if it will contain any commitment to hold a referendum next year, but it will likely be a demand for the SNP to be given the right to decide if and when to hold any future referendums, and on what terms. And I fully expect Sturgeon's toys and dummies to be flying in all directions when the British government rightly declines.

 

Poor Theresa. She must be distraught that someone is using her own tactics against her. Only difference is Sturgeon is better at knowing when she can winto

[shurlock]

The United Kingdom had (has) absolutely no bargaining power to tackle non-tariff barriers with non-EU states while a member of the EU. None whatsoever. Now it will have some, and good international traders and entrepreneurs that will put it to good use. I'm talking about real businessmen with proper jobs, not half-ar$ed consultants and think tank academics that sit around all day spending EU grants pontificating nothing very useful and virtually high-fIving one another because they got another piece referenced in the Guardian. Or the Huffington Post. I'm sure you know the sort I'm thinking of don't you Sherlock?

 

No I don't know the sort. Not personally anyway.

 

The UK has had the ability to shape the rules and regulations of the largest market in the world -you know the one sitting on its doorstep. The one that actually matters in a world shaped by distance and economic gravity.

 

The question was posed semi-rhetorically: the UK can't have both deep trade integration and unfettered sovereignty (in the substantive, not formal sense). If it secures the former, it will give up chunks of the latter. If it retains the latter, it will be because it has struck a symbolic deal that barely moves the dial. Most deals resemble the latter. There's a reason why globally services are still five times less likely to be exported than manufacturing products - despite their importance to economies like the UK.

 

You're living in lalaland and been watching too much Apprentice pal if you think some of the most protectionist economies in the world are going to i) dismantle nontariff barriers and ii) do so on terms that are favourable to the UK Get real.

Edited 31 March, 2017 by shurlock

[hutch]

You're living in lalaland and been watching too much Apprentice pal if you think some of the most protectionist economies in the world are going to i) dismantle nontariff barriers and ii) do so on terms that are favourable to the UK Get real.

Not really, pal. I live in the real world that exists on the outside of your goldfish bowl. For more than 20 years I've been running companies in the property development, construction, tourism & leisure, infrastructure, utilities and oil & gas sectors across Africa and the Middle East. In that time I have seen the successful growth in EU business in the areas that I know. There are Spanish, French, Irish, German, italian even Dutch players galore. Much of it funded by EU loans. Where does the EU get its funds? During the same period I've personally watched the former British operators in the region shrink or disappear. But what do I know?

 

What is Apprentice by the way?

[buctootim]

Not really, pal. I live in the real world that exists on the outside of your goldfish bowl. For more than 20 years I've been running companies in the property development, construction, tourism & leisure, infrastructure, utilities and oil & gas sectors across Africa and the Middle East. In that time I have seen the successful growth in EU business in the areas that I know. There are Spanish, French, Irish, German, italian even Dutch players galore. Much of it funded by EU loans. Where does the EU get its funds? During the same period I've personally watched the former British operators in the region shrink or disappear. But what do I know?

 

What is Apprentice by the way?

 

Synopsis. The businesses I run have gradually lost out to EU competitors as they have accessed EU support funds whilst I failed to.

 

odd that it's businesses from the failing EU that are cleaning up and not companies from bastions of free trade and dynamism.

Edited 31 March, 2017 by buctootim

[shurlock]

Not really, pal. I live in the real world that exists on the outside of your goldfish bowl. For more than 20 years I've been running companies in the property development, construction, tourism & leisure, infrastructure, utilities and oil & gas sectors across Africa and the Middle East. In that time I have seen the successful growth in EU business in the areas that I know. There are Spanish, French, Irish, German, italian even Dutch players galore. Much of it funded by EU loans. Where does the EU get its funds? During the same period I've personally watched the former British operators in the region shrink or disappear. But what do I know?

 

What is Apprentice by the way?

 

EU loans that the UK and UK businesses as members of the EU are not entitled to? Explain that how works. Of course failings that have nothing to do with internal reasons and company management.

Edited 31 March, 2017 by shurlock

[hutch]

Where does it say anywhere in my post that I run British companies? I don't fwiw.

[Wes Tender]

Hutch:

I'm talking about real businessmen with proper jobs, not half-ar$ed consultants and think tank academics that sit around all day spending EU grants pontificating nothing very useful and virtually high-fIving one another because they got another piece referenced in the Guardian. Or the Huffington Post. I'm sure you know the sort I'm thinking of don't you Sherlock?

 

Shatlock:

No I don't know the sort. Not personally anyway.

 

You are the sort! You absolutely typify the sub species, although I'm not surprised that you lack the self-awareness to recognise it.

[shurlock]

Where does it say anywhere in my post that I run British companies? I don't fwiw.

 

Did I mention you? You're the one who mentioned the decline of British operators.

[shurlock]

Hutch:

 

Shatlock:

 

You are the sort! You absolutely typify the sub species, although I'm not surprised that you lack the self-awareness to recognise it.

 

Another spectacular miss Les.

 

Self-awareness -in what sense? It's a fact: I'm currently consulting for a FTSE 100 company - business I had to drum up myself. No EU money or Huffington Post articles involved.

 

How about you Les - I thought you worked in the area of welfare and benefits

[Wes Tender]

Another spectacular miss Les.

 

Self-awareness -in what sense? It's a fact: I'm currently consulting for a FTSE 100 company - business I had to drum up myself. No EU money or Huffington Post articles involved.

 

How about you Les - I thought you worked in the area of welfare and benefits

 

If you read more carefully, I said that you typified the sort. Bullseye from Hutch though. You're a consultant.

[Johnny Bognor]

Another spectacular miss Les.

 

Self-awareness -in what sense? It's a fact: I'm currently consulting for a FTSE 100 company - business I had to drum up myself. No EU money or Huffington Post articles involved.

 

How about you Les - I thought you worked in the area of welfare and benefits

 

I'd be pretty ****ed off if I found out that one of my consultants spent most of his day on a football forum... just saying

[shurlock]

If you read more carefully, I said that you typified the sort. Bullseye from Hutch though. You're a consultant.

 

No Les - not typified or the sort. You're not even close. You both missed spectacularly.

Edited 31 March, 2017 by shurlock

[shurlock]

I'd be pretty ****ed off if I found out that one of my consultants spent most of his day on a football forum... just saying

 

 

No complaints as yet Balders. This line of work can involve a lot of waiting, followed by manic spells -not to mention I have the opportunity to work through the night and on weekends.