Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[badgerx16]

17 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

More bone picking required:

The Eurozone wage growth is 5.3%, UK unemployment rate is higher than Germany but lower than France. All your graphs are meaningless without the EU data to compare them with.

[Whitey Grandad]

5 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

 

There is none so blind…

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

There is none so blind…

As he who cuts and pastes.

[Guided Missile]

15 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I think the government lost £20bn of that.

Two bullshit reports that are used to support the efforts of socialist traitors to put this country down. Why do lefties like doing that, I wonder, particularly that son of a bus driver, Sadiq Khan, who commissioned the second report? Not content with fucking London up, he's trying to do the same to the rest of the country. That little weasel won't be content until he turns the rest of the country into a third world shithole, like London.

 

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

Two bullshit reports that are used to support the efforts of socialist traitors to put this country down. Why do lefties like doing that, I wonder, particularly that son of a bus driver, Sadiq Khan, who commissioned the second report? Not content with fucking London up, he's trying to do the same to the rest of the country. That little weasel won't be content until he turns the rest of the country into a third world shithole, like London.

 

Why don't you just fuck off to the States like you have threatened to do ?

Edited August 16 by badgerx16

[badgerx16]

Do you think GM has to have a waterproof keyboard to cope with the slather and spittle as his anger takes hold ?

[The Kraken]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Do you think GM has to have a waterproof keyboard to cope with the slather and spittle as his anger takes hold ?

He certainly does seem to have a default state of invective bitterness.  Not a great way to live, I'd imagine.

[Tamesaint]

59 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

He certainly does seem to have a default state of invective bitterness.  Not a great way to live, I'd imagine.

He models himself on the Donald - one of his heroes. Perhaps GM is turning orange as well. 

[Guided Missile]

15 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

There is none so blind…

..as those that ignore the facts.

[Whitey Grandad]

Just now, Guided Missile said:

..as those that ignore the facts.

But your facts are not facts.

Be honest, you’ve caused a whole lot of damage. You just refuse to admit it.

[whelk]

3 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

Two bullshit reports that are used to support the efforts of socialist traitors to put this country down. Why do lefties like doing that, I wonder, particularly that son of a bus driver, Sadiq Khan, who commissioned the second report? Not content with fucking London up, he's trying to do the same to the rest of the country. That little weasel won't be content until he turns the rest of the country into a third world shithole, like London.

 

its obvious you are desperate to call him a ‘Paki’ 

[31cc]

And he's the 'son of a bus driver'. Doesn't he know his place? He wasn't even in the Bullingdon Club!

[Guided Missile]

On 20/06/2024 at 08:41, Guided Missile said:

Faced with an EU loving Labour government on one hand and the rapid movement in the other direction of the national governments that run the EU shitshow, the results of the French election will provide me with some consolation, when the UK is faced with an economic and societal meltdown a Labour government will inflict.

Pity we will be in a socialist hell hole for 4 years, but Marine Le Pen loading the rubber dinghies at Calais will be an amusing side show, while we turn into Venezuela.

Let's face it, the EU is a sinking ship. Unfortunately we're in a lifeboat with David Lammy, Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner.

I must admit, I thought it would take longer than 6 weeks for the above to come to pass. Without doubt, the worst Government that has been inflicted on the 70% that didn't vote for the clowns. Those that did must be very happy with the wage rises their Marxist unions achieved, that will be funded by those outside the public sector. 

The only consolation is that Whitey and sog will lose their winter fuel allowance. To paraphrase Whitey, "You have no idea what damage you have done" 🤣

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

I must admit, I thought it would take longer than 6 weeks for the above to come to pass. Without doubt, the worst Government that has been inflicted on the 70% that didn't vote for the clowns. Those that did must be very happy with the wage rises their Marxist unions achieved, that will be funded by those outside the public sector. 

The only consolation is that Whitey and sog will lose their winter fuel allowance. To paraphrase Whitey, "You have no idea what damage you have done" 🤣

As usual, your Casandran predictions prove to be pure guff. Le Pen won't be "loading the rubber dignhies" as the French left and centrists contrived to find a way to block her.

As for the "worst Government that has been inflicted on the 70% that didn't vote for them", will they be as bad as the Truss disaster that wasn't voted for by anybody other than a handful of blue rinse geriatrics ? Perhaps you will now come over to the "dark side" and start championing Proportional Representation.

[The Kraken]

Man up you absolute snowflake.

"Marxist unions" 🤣 what an absolute helmet.

[Guided Missile]

Oh and looking back to the days before the Brexit vote, let's look at the bollox the Treasury said would happen, if we voted the "wrong" way. It predicted an instant recession in the second half of 2016 but, in the event, the UK ended that year as the world’s best performing major economy. It prophesied that unemployment would rise by 9,000 a month, but unemployment instead fell by almost exactly that amount. It said there would need to be an emergency budget to plug a £19 billion gap but obviously, no such budget was needed. Rachel Thieves is spouting the same bollox to justify the totally expected tax rises. So fucking predictable...

 

Edited August 19 by Guided Missile
Typo

[badgerx16]

6 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

Oh and looking back to the days before the Brexit vote, let's look at the bollox the Treasury said would happen, if we voted the "wrong" way. It predicted an instant recession in the second half of 2016 but, in the event, the UK ended that year as the world’s best performing major economy. It prophesied that unemployment would rise by 9,000 a month, but unemployment instead fell by almost exactly that amount. It said there would need to be an emergency budget to plug a £19 billion gap but obviously, no such budget was needed. Rachel Thieves is spouting the same bollox to justify the totally unexpected tax rises. So fucking predictable...

 

After Nic and the laughing emojis another one develops self-awareness.

Edited August 19 by badgerx16

[rallyboy]

Brexit has been a roaring success helping to keep immigration under control and allowing UK businesses and whole sectors to thrive, delivering record exports - we've never had it so good!

Anyone who thinks otherwise is clearly a bitter leftie, pinko, bad loser, UK-hating, woke remoaner type who needs to believe more and stop hating being British. 

Go Boris, Go Nigel!  

 

 

No, really, fucking go, get out of here you pair of grifting conmen - and when you get there, fuck off from there too, and take Rupert and Stephen with you.

 

[Whitey Grandad]

3 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

I must admit, I thought it would take longer than 6 weeks for the above to come to pass. Without doubt, the worst Government that has been inflicted on the 70% that didn't vote for the clowns. Those that did must be very happy with the wage rises their Marxist unions achieved, that will be funded by those outside the public sector. 

The only consolation is that Whitey and sog will lose their winter fuel allowance. To paraphrase Whitey, "You have no idea what damage you have done" 🤣

And you still don’t.

In the words of the song “Let it go…”

[Guided Missile]

34 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

And you still don’t.

In the words of the song “Let it go…”

"...the cold never bothered me anyway." An apt song for our pensioners since Labour came to power. 🤣 

[east-stand-nic]

5 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

After Nic and the laughing emojis another one develops self-awareness.

Blimey, you still hurting from the battering i gave u last week? get over it mate.

[hypochondriac]

5 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

After Nic and the laughing emojis another one develops self-awareness.

He's not wrong though is he. You can think that Brexit was the worst thing to ever happen to this country and despise it whilst also understanding that the predictions made about an instant recession were abject nonsense and laughable. Similarly you can agree with almost everything the Labour government is now doing whilst also recognising that they are playing politics by talking about unexpected black holes in budgets in order to justify tac rises. 

[badgerx16]

32 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Blimey, you still hurting from the battering i gave u last week? get over it mate.

What battering you looney ? I suspect that if you tried really hard you might manage to land the sort of blow someone would feel when hit by a thrown marshmallow.

 

Go on, dares you, give us a smiley.

[buctootim]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

He's not wrong though is he. You can think that Brexit was the worst thing to ever happen to this country and despise it whilst also understanding that the predictions made about an instant recession were abject nonsense and laughable. Similarly you can agree with almost everything the Labour government is now doing whilst also recognising that they are playing politics by talking about unexpected black holes in budgets in order to justify tac rises. 

We didnt actually leave until January 31st 2020 and yes there was an immediate severe recession - which obviously coincided with the Covid pandemic and lockdown. Exactly how much was due to each is moot - but we did have a much bigger dip than other comparable countries. 

[badgerx16]

5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

He's not wrong though is he. You can think that Brexit was the worst thing to ever happen to this country and despise it whilst also understanding that the predictions made about an instant recession were abject nonsense and laughable. Similarly you can agree with almost everything the Labour government is now doing whilst also recognising that they are playing politics by talking about unexpected black holes in budgets in order to justify tac rises. 

Perhaps, but GM ruins his position in the debate because he cannot resist the slurs and insults. People who voted against Brexit are not traitors, people who voted Labour are not Marxists, and anybody who calls for people he disagrees with to be strung up by piano wire is a sociopathic cunt.

As for the 'instant recession', where did that £350million a week go, or the 'oven ready' trade deals ? If the best Brexit has delivered is a slightly different colour of passport and membership of the Trans-Pacific trade bloc, it hasn't delivered on the unicorn shit we were promised.

Edited August 19 by badgerx16

[hypochondriac]

Just now, buctootim said:

We didnt actually leave until January 31st 2020 and yes there was an immediate severe recession - which obviously coincided with the Covid pandemic and lockdown. Exactly how much was due to each is moot - but we did have a much bigger dip than other comparable countries. 

I think even you could recognise that the predictions were at best exaggerated. It is true that much of the effects were masked by lockdown. 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

Perhaps, but GM ruins his position in the debate because he cannot resist the slurs and insults. People who voted against Brexit are not traitors, people who voted Labour are not Marxists, and anybody who calls for people he disagrees with to be strung up by piano wire is a sociopathic cunt.

Yes you're right and I wasn't defending GM (not least because he genuinely threatened to sue someone on here and I messaged them at the time to sympathise despite us vehemently disagreeing on here all the time.) 

Regarding the name calling, that's definitely a charge you could make about the other side too. It's a lazy caricature on both sides to be honest.  

[Guided Missile]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Yes you're right and I wasn't defending GM (not least because he genuinely threatened to sue someone on here and I messaged them at the time to sympathise despite us vehemently disagreeing on here all the time.) 

Regarding the name calling, that's definitely a charge you could make about the other side too. It's a lazy caricature on both sides to be honest.  

You had to quote my troll, didn't you? As he is on ignore, I didn't read the bollox he spouted the first time, but in the spirit of accuracy, a concept which this sad sack is not familiar, just a couple of points:

1. I consider people who deliberately and falsely put this countries achievements down, as traitors, not those that voted against Brexit. I am sure they, like I, respect democracy and have moved on (as if).
2. I never stated those who voted Labour are Marxists. I said the Unions that support Labour are Marxist. No shit, Sherlock.

I think what you should notice about this poster is he is the 1st to reply to my posts, within a minute of me posting (check it out). A sad troll and stalker, one that will remain on ignore because he has nothing to contribute to a debate apart from insults and dogma. 

My problem is that my ID was outed many years ago by the BBC and it means that sad fucks on this site try to have a pop against me personally. Fucking right I'll threaten to sue if anyone posts lies about me. I found out the id of one of my trolls and when I phoned up and offered to meet up for a "chat", he whined like a baby and apologised. 

Gutless keyboard warriors. Fuck 'em all.

[hypochondriac]

Sorry I got involved. Carry on. 

[buctootim]

17 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

I found out the id of one of my trolls and when I phoned up and offered to meet up for a "chat", he whined like a baby and apologised. 

Not sure if you mean me. My recollection is that you made threats online and when I gave you my phone number you called and begged me not to undermine the sale of your company which was going through due diligence according to you. I still have your messages if necessary. How did that pan out in the end?  

Edited August 19 by buctootim

[whelk]

43 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

the Labour government is now doing whilst also recognising that they are playing politics by talking about unexpected black holes in budgets

I actually know someone who works at in the treasury and close to Rachel Reeves. They have said her anger is genuine in what they have uncovered and not true that was all information found in OBR reports. They worked with Tory administration before as well.

[hypochondriac]

10 minutes ago, whelk said:

I actually know someone who works at in the treasury and close to Rachel Reeves. They have said her anger is genuine in what they have uncovered and not true that was all information found in OBR reports. They worked with Tory administration before as well.

I'd have to go and look for them again but I saw a guardian article prior to the election that set out very clearly what the costs were. It had quotes from labour and everything. 

[AlexLaw76]

18 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'd have to go and look for them again but I saw a guardian article prior to the election that set out very clearly what the costs were. It had quotes from labour and everything. 

 

[Whitey Grandad]

3 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

"...the cold never bothered me anyway." An apt song for our pensioners since Labour came to power. 🤣 

The fact that you take so much delight in a 2% theft from pensioners is very revealing. 
 

Shouldn’t you go back to your cupboard under the stairs cuddling your Brexit Bonus whilst muttering “My Precious, My Precious”?

[Whitey Grandad]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

 

That presupposed that the OBR figures were accurate. They should have been, but…

[Tamesaint]

1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

You had to quote my troll, didn't you? As he is on ignore, I didn't read the bollox he spouted the first time, but in the spirit of accuracy, a concept which this sad sack is not familiar, just a couple of points:

1. I consider people who deliberately and falsely put this countries achievements down, as traitors, not those that voted against Brexit. I am sure they, like I, respect democracy and have moved on (as if).
2. I never stated those who voted Labour are Marxists. I said the Unions that support Labour are Marxist. No shit, Sherlock.

I think what you should notice about this poster is he is the 1st to reply to my posts, within a minute of me posting (check it out). A sad troll and stalker, one that will remain on ignore because he has nothing to contribute to a debate apart from insults and dogma. 

My problem is that my ID was outed many years ago by the BBC and it means that sad fucks on this site try to have a pop against me personally. Fucking right I'll threaten to sue if anyone posts lies about me. I found out the id of one of my trolls and when I phoned up and offered to meet up for a "chat", he whined like a baby and apologised. 

Gutless keyboard warriors. Fuck 'em all.

Weirdo

Threatening to sue about derogatory posts on a football supporters forum. How weird can you get? 

Edited August 19 by Tamesaint

[a1ex2001]

14 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

Oh and looking back to the days before the Brexit vote, let's look at the bollox the Treasury said would happen, if we voted the "wrong" way. It predicted an instant recession in the second half of 2016 but, in the event, the UK ended that year as the world’s best performing major economy. It prophesied that unemployment would rise by 9,000 a month, but unemployment instead fell by almost exactly that amount. It said there would need to be an emergency budget to plug a £19 billion gap but obviously, no such budget was needed. Rachel Thieves is spouting the same bollox to justify the totally expected tax rises. So fucking predictable...

 

Those predictions, over dramatic and exaggerated as they were, were all pre-faced with an ‘if the government does nothing’ which is the exact opposite of what happened following the leave vote.  Actions were taken by the government and Bank of England rapidly to stave off the inevitable negative outcomes.  So actually the vast majority of ‘project fear’ as you label it did come true, Brexit has been a disaster for the UK economy and will only get worse with time.

[Guided Missile]

10 hours ago, a1ex2001 said:

Those predictions, over dramatic and exaggerated as they were, were all pre-faced with an ‘if the government does nothing’ which is the exact opposite of what happened following the leave vote.  Brexit has been a disaster for the UK economy and will only get worse with time.

I love that you follow the admission that the predictions prior to the Leave vote were "over dramatic and exaggerated", then you follow it up with your own "over dramatic and exaggerated"  prediction "Brexit has been a disaster for the UK economy and will only get worse with time"

Stop clutching your pearls and read the actual economic data I posted above, based on current figures and predictions from the Treasury, OBR and IMF. Alternatively, get someone with a modicum of impartiality and intelligence to read the posts to you. A 12 year old should do.

Remainers. There is no limit to their lack of respect for democracy and economic facts, even after 8 years of experience and yet still longing for Brussels cold embrace.

[Tamesaint]

1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

I love that you follow the admission that the predictions prior to the Leave vote were "over dramatic and exaggerated", then you follow it up with your own "over dramatic and exaggerated"  prediction "Brexit has been a disaster for the UK economy and will only get worse with time"

Stop clutching your pearls and read the actual economic data I posted above, based on current figures and predictions from the Treasury, OBR and IMF. Alternatively, get someone with a modicum of impartiality and intelligence to read the posts to you. A 12 year old should do.

Remainers. There is no limit to their lack of respect for democracy and economic facts, even after 8 years of experience and yet still longing for Brussels cold embrace.

Still weird. 

[a1ex2001]

1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

I love that you follow the admission that the predictions prior to the Leave vote were "over dramatic and exaggerated", then you follow it up with your own "over dramatic and exaggerated"  prediction "Brexit has been a disaster for the UK economy and will only get worse with time"

Stop clutching your pearls and read the actual economic data I posted above, based on current figures and predictions from the Treasury, OBR and IMF. Alternatively, get someone with a modicum of impartiality and intelligence to read the posts to you. A 12 year old should do.

Remainers. There is no limit to their lack of respect for democracy and economic facts, even after 8 years of experience and yet still longing for Brussels cold embrace.

lol they were exaggerated like everything in a political debate the exaggeration wasn’t quite on a par with the 300million to the NHS printed down the side of it or the Nazi inspired propaganda poster of migrants but then like most Brexit supporters you seem to have a very limited memory for the events of that time period when even the messiah like Nigel said that leaving the single market was a bad idea.  The vast majority of economists including the governments own office for budget responsibility have shown lasting negative economic impacts of Brexit when what you were sold was growth and opportunity the leave campaign painted Brexit as the sunny uplands where we would all get a golden unicorn but instead you traded our economic prosperity for ‘sovereignty’ and ‘control’ it is laughable that this far down the line you still can’t see the damage done.

Oh and I fully respect democracy which in a free country like the UK includes the right to criticise the sections of the government and even heaven forbid campaign to change or reverse them, after all it was ok for Nige and the ERG to blame the EU for all our woes for 20-30 years so surely those in favour of EU membership should be afforded the same platform?

[Guided Missile]

1 hour ago, a1ex2001 said:

The vast majority of economists including the governments own office for budget responsibility have shown lasting negative economic impacts of Brexit when what you were sold was growth and opportunity the leave campaign painted Brexit as the sunny uplands where we would all get a golden unicorn but instead you traded our economic prosperity for ‘sovereignty’ and ‘control’ it is laughable that this far down the line you still can’t see the damage done.

I posted facts, you ignored them and posted waffle. You're not very good at this debating mullarky, are you?

[egg]

24 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

I posted facts, you ignored them and posted waffle. You're not very good at this debating mullarky, are you?

Fancy posting the facts about our gdp performance post Brexit rather than a recent snapshot? 

[Guided Missile]

Misread post

Edited August 20 by Guided Missile

[Guided Missile]

On 19/08/2024 at 08:42, Guided Missile said:

Oh and looking back to the days before the Brexit vote, let's look at the bollox the Treasury said would happen, if we voted the "wrong" way. It predicted an instant recession in the second half of 2016 but, in the event, the UK ended that year as the world’s best performing major economy. It prophesied that unemployment would rise by 9,000 a month, but unemployment instead fell by almost exactly that amount. It said there would need to be an emergency budget to plug a £19 billion gap but obviously, no such budget was needed. Rachel Thieves is spouting the same bollox to justify the totally expected tax rises. So fucking predictable...

 

 

[badgerx16]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_effects_of_Brexit

[Guided Missile]

UK GDP Growth in 2016:

• United Kingdom: The UK's GDP grew by 1.8% in 2016. This growth was slightly slower than in 2015 but still relatively robust considering the uncertainty following the Brexit vote.

Comparison with the Rest of the G7:

• United States: The US GDP grew by 1.6% in 2016, which was slower than the UK's growth.
• Canada: Canada experienced GDP growth of about 1.4%.
• Germany: Germany's economy grew by 1.9%, slightly outperforming the UK.
• France: France saw growth of 1.1%.
• Italy: Italy’s GDP grew by around 0.9%.
• Japan: Japan's GDP growth was about 1.0%.

Summary:

In 2016, the UK’s GDP growth of 1.8% was one of the stronger performances among the G7 nations, only slightly trailing Germany’s 1.9%. Despite the uncertainties surrounding the Brexit referendum, the UK economy demonstrated resilience during that year, maintaining a relatively solid growth rate compared to its peers

[badgerx16]

https://obr.uk/box/how-are-our-brexit-trade-forecast-assumptions-performing/

[a1ex2001]

38 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

UK GDP Growth in 2016:

• United Kingdom: The UK's GDP grew by 1.8% in 2016. This growth was slightly slower than in 2015 but still relatively robust considering the uncertainty following the Brexit vote.

Comparison with the Rest of the G7:

• United States: The US GDP grew by 1.6% in 2016, which was slower than the UK's growth.
• Canada: Canada experienced GDP growth of about 1.4%.
• Germany: Germany's economy grew by 1.9%, slightly outperforming the UK.
• France: France saw growth of 1.1%.
• Italy: Italy’s GDP grew by around 0.9%.
• Japan: Japan's GDP growth was about 1.0%.

Summary:

In 2016, the UK’s GDP growth of 1.8% was one of the stronger performances among the G7 nations, only slightly trailing Germany’s 1.9%. Despite the uncertainties surrounding the Brexit referendum, the UK economy demonstrated resilience during that year, maintaining a relatively solid growth rate compared to its peers

Underpinned by things done by the treasury and the Bank of England in response to the Brexit vote. Like the government abandoning its plan to reduce the deficit during that period and the Bank of England reducing interest rates and hinting strongly at further interest rate cuts.  You are looking at one statistic in isolation and sadly the world isn’t that simple.

If you are trying to claim that Brexit hasn’t had a negative impact on the UK economy you are going against basically every respected economist and institute.  If you want to say Brexit is a success because of ‘sovereignty’ or what ever other ‘feels’ then I can just laugh at you but you can’t go against every expert in the field and expect to be taken seriously!

[egg]

57 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

 

How about across the 8 years? You can't base an argument on a snapshot. 

[badgerx16]

31 minutes ago, egg said:

How about across the 8 years? You can't base an argument on a snapshot. 

In 2016 we hadn't left the EU.