Brexit - Post Match Reaction

Weston Super Saint · 4 August, 2023

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

What the dim Duckhunter had failed to grasp is that you still see people’s avatars if they are on your ignore list when you look at the menus as they show the last poster for each thread. That is where I saw his latest avatar. Still, like the people whose politics he supports he has to try and find something spurious to have a dig at, they have nothing else.

He ought to be aware also that you are given the option to read each post from posters on your ignore list if you so chose. It is therefore possible to read posts from those on ignore without taking them off your ignore list. He prefers to pretend that I make stuff up though, probably why he supports congenital liars like Johnson and Farage!

What the dim soggy fails to grasp (still) is that you cannot directly quote someone on ignore, which he did to LD at 12.16 yesterday.

Stop making stuff up and pretending you have people on ignore, it makes you look even more stupid, if that's possible.

Lord Duckhunter · 4 August, 2023

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

It is therefore possible to read posts from those on ignore without taking them off your ignore list.

Doesn’t that just defeat the object.

Although I guess it means you can pretend you’re not interested in what someone’s writing, but actually hang on their every word.

Guided Missile · 7 August, 2023

Meanwhile, back in the land of milk and honey:

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Germany’s fragile industrial sector risks keeping Europe’s largest economy in recession, analysts have warned after official figures showed output declined again. Industrial production slipped 1.5pc month-on-month in June, following a decline of 0.1pc in May, according to the country’s statistics office. The decline was much larger than the 0.4pc drop forecast by analysts and means production remains more than 5pc below its pre-pandemic peak. Official figures show the German economy stagnated in the three months to June, after shrinking by 0.1pc and 0.4pc respectively in the first quarter of 2023 and the final quarter of 2022.

Carsten Brzeski at ING warned June’s decline in industrial production may have been enough to keep Germany in recession, which is defined as two straight quarters of economic decline. He said: “A further drop in German industrial production in June is another illustration of the country’s ongoing stagnation. “With today’s numbers, the risk has increased that the flash estimate of stagnating GDP growth in the second quarter could still be revised downwards.”

badgerx16 · 7 August, 2023

1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

Meanwhile, back in the land of milk and honey:

What has this to do with Brexit ? It wouldn't even have affected us if we had stayed in the EU as we were not in the Euro zone.

Desperate straw grasping, methinks.

Edited 7 August, 2023 by badgerx16

Tamesaint · 7 August, 2023

1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

Meanwhile, back in the land of milk and honey:

Does anyone understand what this idiot keeps blathering about?

Germany may be in a mild recession whilst the UK is escaping a recession by the skin of economists's teeth. On any measure of prosperity however Germany outstrips the UK. Your average German is richer and has a better standard of living than your average Brit. Oh and by the way Deutsche Bank still hasn't gone busy.

Why this fool blithers on so much about Germany beats me - perhaps the Germans bombed his chip shop. !! 😁

spyinthesky · 8 August, 2023

Another Brexit benefit???
Hauliers in Northern Ireland are having to lay off people due to the complexities of paperwork due to Brexit rules.

badgerx16 · 10 August, 2023

#10 doing the Hokey Cokey;

Are we 'in' or 'out' ?

Warriorsaint · 10 August, 2023

On 04/08/2023 at 19:27, Lord Duckhunter said:

Doesn’t that just defeat the object.

Although I guess it means you can pretend you’re not interested in what someone’s writing, but actually hang on their every word.

Pot kettle eh munter? Don’t you have people on ignore? Afraid of a little engagement eh?

Guided Missile · 11 August, 2023

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The Office of National Statistics this morning reported that the UK economy grew by 0.2 per cent in the second quarter, following growth of 0.1 per cent in the first quarter. It is not yet impossible that the economy could end up shrinking over the course of 2023, but it would take a pretty miserable autumn. Truth is, the UK economy has consistently outperformed forecasts over the past year – not least those worse-than-useless bulletins pumped out by the Bank of England which, from the vantage point of last autumn, had Britain in recession throughout 2023.

Meanwhile, economic life has turned a little sour in Germany, which was supposed to outgrow Britain this year. The past three quarters have seen growth of minus 0.4 per cent, minus 0.1 per cent and zero per cent. The Netherlands, too, had a wretched first quarter, with the economy shrinking 0.3 per cent; we don’t yet have figures for the second quarter. Italy grew by 0.6 per cent in the first quarter but shrank 0.3 per cent in the second. One of those three is looking likely to win the wooden spoon for Europe’s worst-performing economy in 2023.

Oh dear, the economic modellers are about as accurate as the climate bunch.

Remainers, your guys have taken a hell of a beating.

Whitey Grandad · 11 August, 2023

10 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

Oh dear, the economic modellers are about as accurate as the climate bunch.

Remainers, your guys have taken a hell of a beating.

And the population over the year grew by how many percent?

badgerx16 · 11 August, 2023

1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

Oh dear, the economic modellers are about as accurate as the climate bunch.

Remainers, your guys have taken a hell of a beating.

And the 'Independent' Office of National Statistics is genuinely independent.

Compared to pre-pandemic levels, the UK is the only G7 country whose GDP is lower today than before COVID.

Edited 11 August, 2023 by badgerx16
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buctootim · 11 August, 2023

Compare

Germany			United Kingdom
Government
Annual GDP [+]	2022	$4,075,395M	$3,070,600M	2022	Annual GDP [+]
GDP per capita [+]	2022	$48,636	$45,775	2022	GDP per capita [+]
Debt ($M) [+]	2022	2,711,576	3,151,536	2022	Debt ($M) [+]
Debt (%GDP) [+]	2022	66.30%	102.64%	2022	Debt (%GDP) [+]
Debt Per Capita [+]	2022	$32,143	$46,981	2022	Debt Per Capita [+]
Deficit ($M) [+]	2022	-106,784	-192,231	2022	Deficit ($M) [+]
Deficit (%GDP) [+]	2022	-2.60%	-6.26%	2022	Deficit (%GDP) [+]
Expenditure ($M) [+]	2022	2,025,633.8	1,386,196.1	2022	Expenditure ($M) [+]
Education Expenditure ($M) [+]	2018	197,848.9	148,933.5	2018	Education Expenditure ($M) [+]
Education Expenditure (%Bud.) [+]	2018	11.23%	13.34%	2018	Education Expenditure (%Bud.) [+]
Gov. Health Exp.($M) [+]	2022	445,746,483,000.0	87,073,157,032.3	1998	Gov. Health Exp.($M) [+]
Gov. Health Exp. (%Bud.) [+]	2017	19.88%	18.74%	2017	Gov. Health Exp. (%Bud.) [+]
Defence Expenditure ($M) [+]	2021	57,009.6	69,436.5	2021	Defence Expenditure ($M) [+]
Defence Expenditure (%Bud.) [+]	2021	2.52%	4.66%	2021	Defence Expenditure (%Bud.) [+]
Expenditure (%GDP) [+]	2022	49.70%	45.14%	2022	Expenditure (%GDP) [+]
Expenditure Per Capita [+]	2022	$24,012	$20,665	2022	Expenditure Per Capita [+]
Education Expenditure P.C [+]	2018	$2,386	$2,242	2018	Education Expenditure P.C [+]
Gov. Health Exp. P.C. [+]	2022	$5,355	$3,064	2017	Gov. Health Exp. P.C. [+]
Defence Expenditure P.C. [+]	2021	$685	$1,035	2021	Defence Expenditure P.C. [+]
Moody's Rating [+]	02/10/2023	Aaa	Aa3	10/21/2022	Moody's Rating [+]
S&P Rating [+]	08/17/1983	AAA	AA	04/21/2023	S&P Rating [+]
Fitch Rating [+]	01/17/2020	AAA	AA-	03/27/2020	Fitch Rating [+]
Corruption Index [+]	2022	79	73	2022	Corruption Index [+]
Competitiveness Ranking [+]	2019	7º	9º	2019	Competitiveness Ranking [+]
Fragile States Index [+]	2018	25.8	34.3	2018	Fragile States Index [+]
RTI Raking [+]	09/28/2018	116º	42º	09/28/2018	RTI Raking [+]
Innovation Ranking [+]	2018	9º	4º	2018	Innovation Ranking [+]
Labour
Unemployment Rate [+]	June 2023	3.0%	4.0%	May 2023	Unemployment Rate [+]
Unemployment rate [+]	2023Q1	3.0%	4.9%	2020Q3	Unemployment rate [+]
Unemployed [+]	2023Q1	1,336K	1,650K	2020Q3	Unemployed [+]
NMW [+]	2023	$2,130.0	$1,940.4	2022	NMW [+]
Average Wage [+]	2022	$57,958	$52,278	2019	Average Wage [+]
Human Capital Ranking [+]	2017	6º	23º	2017	Human Capital Ranking [+]
Markets
			0.8631	08/10/2023	Euro / British pounds [+]
US Dollar exchange rate [+]	08/10/2023	0.9075	0.7830	08/10/2023	US Dollar exchange rate [+]
10-Year Bond Yield [+]	08/11/2023	2.62%	4.55%	08/11/2023	10-Year Bond Yield [+]
			193	08/11/2023	Risk Premium [+]
Stock ExchangeYTD % [+]	08/10/2023	14.89%	0%	12/30/2023	Stock ExchangeYTD % [+]
Prices
CPI (overall index) [+]	July 2023	6.2%	8.0%	June 2023	CPI (overall index) [+]
HICP [+]	July 2023	6.5%	0.3%	November 2020	HICP [+]
PPI Year on Year [+]	June 2023	0.5%	2.6%	June 2023	PPI Year on Year [+]
Money Market
Key rates [+]	08/02/2023	4.25%	5.25%	08/03/2023	Key rates [+]
Business
Doing Business [+]	2020	22º	8º	2020	Doing Business [+]
IPI Year on Year [+]	June 2023	-1.4%	-4.0%	October 2020	IPI Year on Year [+]
Passengers vehicles Year [+]	December 2022	2,651,357	1,614,063	December 2022	Passengers vehicles Year [+]
Annual Vehicles/ 1,000 p. [+]	December 2022	35.13	28.97	December 2022	Annual Vehicles/ 1,000 p. [+]
Motor vehicle production [+]	2022	3,677,820	876,614	2022	Motor vehicle production [+]
Vehicles / 1,000 people [+]	2021	633.46	639.14	2021	Vehicles / 1,000 people [+]
Taxes
Tax Revenue (%GDP) [+]	2021	42.2%	33.5%	2021	Tax Revenue (%GDP) [+]
Standard VAT [+]	01/01/2007	19.00%	20.00%	01/04/2011	Standard VAT [+]
Top tax rate + SSC [+]	2022	47.5%	62.7%	2022	Top tax rate + SSC [+]
Trade
Annual arrivals [+]	2019	39,563,217	39,417,975	2019	Annual arrivals [+]
Exports [+]	2022	$1,659,575.4M	$468,055.3M	2021	Exports [+]
Exports % GDP [+]	2022	40.65%	15.00%	2021	Exports % GDP [+]
Imports [+]	2022	$1,573,106.4M	$694,396.6M	2021	Imports [+]
Imports % GDP [+]	2022	38.53%	22.25%	2021	Imports % GDP [+]
Trade balance [+]	2022	$86,469.0M	$-226,341.3M	2021	Trade balance [+]
Trade balance % GDP [+]	2022	2.12%	-7.25%	2021	Trade balance % GDP [+]
Retail Sales YoY [+]	June 2023	0.1%	5.8%	November 2020	Retail Sales YoY [+]
Socio-Demography
Global AgeWatch Ranking [+]	2015	4º	10º	2015	Global AgeWatch Ranking [+]
Density [+]	2022	236	275	2020	Density [+]
Global Peace Ranking [+]	2022	16º	34º	2022	Global Peace Ranking [+]
Crude divorce rate [+]	2021	1.70‰	1.80‰	2016	Crude divorce rate [+]
Remittance received ($M) [+]	2017	16,833.3	4,373.9	2017	Remittance received ($M) [+]
% Immigrant [+]	2020	18.96%	13.95%	2020	% Immigrant [+]
% Emigrant [+]	2020	4.64%	7.05%	2020	% Emigrant [+]
Birth Rate [+]	2022	8.80‰	10.10‰	2021	Birth Rate [+]
Remittance sent ($M) [+]	2017	24,670.9	26,801.5	2017	Remittance sent ($M) [+]
Crude death rate [+]	2022	12.70‰	9.70‰	2021	Crude death rate [+]
Fertility Rate [+]	2021	1.58	1.56	2021	Fertility Rate [+]
Crude marriage rate [+]	2021	4.30‰	4.40‰	2016	Crude marriage rate [+]
% risk of poverty [+]	2022	14.7%	18.6%	2018	% risk of poverty [+]
Population [+]	2022	84,358,845	67,081,000	2020	Population [+]
Immigrant stock [+]	2020	15,762,457	9,359,587	2020	Immigrant stock [+]
Emigrant stock [+]	2020	3,855,268	4,732,510	2020	Emigrant stock [+]
HDI [+]	2021	0.942	0.929	2021	HDI [+]
Gender Gap Ranking [+]	2022	10º	22º	2022	Gender Gap Ranking [+]
Life expectancy [+]	2021	80.80	80.70	2021	Life expectancy [+]
Suicides [+]	2021	9,290	5,524	2020	Suicides [+]
Suicide rate [+]	2021	11.16	8.20	2020	Suicide rate [+]
Number of homicides [+]	2021	695	673	2020	Number of homicides [+]
Rate Homicides per 100.000 [+]	2021	0.83	1.00	2020	Rate Homicides per 100.000 [+]
Energy and Environment
CO2 Tons per capita [+]	2021	8.06	4.95	2021	CO2 Tons per capita [+]
Annual crude oil production [+]	2022	33	745	2022	Annual crude oil production [+]
Crude Oil Reserves [+]	2021	115.2	2,500.0	2021	Crude Oil Reserves [+]
Consumption GWh [+]	2021	511,660	287,319	2021	Consumption GWh [+]
Generation GWh [+]	2021	557,144	288,609	2021	Generation GWh [+]
Others
COVID-19 - Deaths [+]	08/09/2023	174,979	228,542	08/09/2023	COVID-19 - Deaths [+]
COVID-19 - Confirmed [+]	08/09/2023	38,437,756	24,656,914	08/09/2023	COVID-19 - Confirmed [+]
Fully vaccinated [+]	04/07/2023	63,563,414	50,762,968	09/11/2022	Fully vaccinated [+]
COVID-19 - Deaths per million population [+]	08/09/2023	2,074.22	3,406.96	08/09/2023	COVID-19 - Deaths per million population [+]
Doses administered [+]	04/07/2023	192,221,468	151,248,820	09/04/2022	Doses administered [+]

Tamesaint · 11 August, 2023

5 hours ago, buctootim said:

Compare

Germany

United Kingdom

Government
Annual GDP [+] 2022 $4,075,395M $3,070,600M 2022 Annual GDP [+]
GDP per capita [+] 2022 $48,636 $45,775 2022 GDP per capita [+]
Debt ($M) [+] 2022 2,711,576 3,151,536 2022 Debt ($M) [+]
Debt (%GDP) [+] 2022 66.30% 102.64% 2022 Debt (%GDP) [+]
Debt Per Capita [+] 2022 $32,143 $46,981 2022 Debt Per Capita [+]
Deficit ($M) [+] 2022 -106,784 -192,231 2022 Deficit ($M) [+]
Deficit (%GDP) [+] 2022 -2.60% -6.26% 2022 Deficit (%GDP) [+]
Expenditure ($M) [+] 2022 2,025,633.8 1,386,196.1 2022 Expenditure ($M) [+]
Education Expenditure ($M) [+] 2018 197,848.9 148,933.5 2018 Education Expenditure ($M) [+]
Education Expenditure (%Bud.) [+] 2018 11.23% 13.34% 2018 Education Expenditure (%Bud.) [+]
Gov. Health Exp.($M) [+] 2022 445,746,483,000.0 87,073,157,032.3 1998 Gov. Health Exp.($M) [+]
Gov. Health Exp. (%Bud.) [+] 2017 19.88% 18.74% 2017 Gov. Health Exp. (%Bud.) [+]
Defence Expenditure ($M) [+] 2021 57,009.6 69,436.5 2021 Defence Expenditure ($M) [+]
Defence Expenditure (%Bud.) [+] 2021 2.52% 4.66% 2021 Defence Expenditure (%Bud.) [+]
Expenditure (%GDP) [+] 2022 49.70% 45.14% 2022 Expenditure (%GDP) [+]
Expenditure Per Capita [+] 2022 $24,012 $20,665 2022 Expenditure Per Capita [+]
Education Expenditure P.C [+] 2018 $2,386 $2,242 2018 Education Expenditure P.C [+]
Gov. Health Exp. P.C. [+] 2022 $5,355 $3,064 2017 Gov. Health Exp. P.C. [+]
Defence Expenditure P.C. [+] 2021 $685 $1,035 2021 Defence Expenditure P.C. [+]
Moody's Rating [+] 02/10/2023 Aaa Aa3 10/21/2022 Moody's Rating [+]
S&P Rating [+] 08/17/1983 AAA AA 04/21/2023 S&P Rating [+]
Fitch Rating [+] 01/17/2020 AAA AA- 03/27/2020 Fitch Rating [+]
Corruption Index [+] 2022 79 73 2022 Corruption Index [+]
Competitiveness Ranking [+] 2019 7º 9º 2019 Competitiveness Ranking [+]
Fragile States Index [+] 2018 25.8 34.3 2018 Fragile States Index [+]
RTI Raking [+] 09/28/2018 116º 42º 09/28/2018 RTI Raking [+]
Innovation Ranking [+] 2018 9º 4º 2018 Innovation Ranking [+]
Labour
Unemployment Rate [+] June 2023 3.0% 4.0% May 2023 Unemployment Rate [+]
Unemployment rate [+] 2023Q1 3.0% 4.9% 2020Q3 Unemployment rate [+]
Unemployed [+] 2023Q1 1,336K 1,650K 2020Q3 Unemployed [+]
NMW [+] 2023 $2,130.0 $1,940.4 2022 NMW [+]
Average Wage [+] 2022 $57,958 $52,278 2019 Average Wage [+]
Human Capital Ranking [+] 2017 6º 23º 2017 Human Capital Ranking [+]
Markets
0.8631 08/10/2023 Euro / British pounds [+]
US Dollar exchange rate [+] 08/10/2023 0.9075 0.7830 08/10/2023 US Dollar exchange rate [+]
10-Year Bond Yield [+] 08/11/2023 2.62% 4.55% 08/11/2023 10-Year Bond Yield [+]
193 08/11/2023 Risk Premium [+]
Stock ExchangeYTD % [+] 08/10/2023 14.89% 0% 12/30/2023 Stock ExchangeYTD % [+]
Prices
CPI (overall index) [+] July 2023 6.2% 8.0% June 2023 CPI (overall index) [+]
HICP [+] July 2023 6.5% 0.3% November 2020 HICP [+]
PPI Year on Year [+] June 2023 0.5% 2.6% June 2023 PPI Year on Year [+]
Money Market
Key rates [+] 08/02/2023 4.25% 5.25% 08/03/2023 Key rates [+]
Business
Doing Business [+] 2020 22º 8º 2020 Doing Business [+]
IPI Year on Year [+] June 2023 -1.4% -4.0% October 2020 IPI Year on Year [+]
Passengers vehicles Year [+] December 2022 2,651,357 1,614,063 December 2022 Passengers vehicles Year [+]
Annual Vehicles/ 1,000 p. [+] December 2022 35.13 28.97 December 2022 Annual Vehicles/ 1,000 p. [+]
Motor vehicle production [+] 2022 3,677,820 876,614 2022 Motor vehicle production [+]
Vehicles / 1,000 people [+] 2021 633.46 639.14 2021 Vehicles / 1,000 people [+]
Taxes
Tax Revenue (%GDP) [+] 2021 42.2% 33.5% 2021 Tax Revenue (%GDP) [+]
Standard VAT [+] 01/01/2007 19.00% 20.00% 01/04/2011 Standard VAT [+]
Top tax rate + SSC [+] 2022 47.5% 62.7% 2022 Top tax rate + SSC [+]
Trade
Annual arrivals [+] 2019 39,563,217 39,417,975 2019 Annual arrivals [+]
Exports [+] 2022 $1,659,575.4M $468,055.3M 2021 Exports [+]
Exports % GDP [+] 2022 40.65% 15.00% 2021 Exports % GDP [+]
Imports [+] 2022 $1,573,106.4M $694,396.6M 2021 Imports [+]
Imports % GDP [+] 2022 38.53% 22.25% 2021 Imports % GDP [+]
Trade balance [+] 2022 $86,469.0M $-226,341.3M 2021 Trade balance [+]
Trade balance % GDP [+] 2022 2.12% -7.25% 2021 Trade balance % GDP [+]
Retail Sales YoY [+] June 2023 0.1% 5.8% November 2020 Retail Sales YoY [+]
Socio-Demography
Global AgeWatch Ranking [+] 2015 4º 10º 2015 Global AgeWatch Ranking [+]
Density [+] 2022 236 275 2020 Density [+]
Global Peace Ranking [+] 2022 16º 34º 2022 Global Peace Ranking [+]
Crude divorce rate [+] 2021 1.70‰ 1.80‰ 2016 Crude divorce rate [+]
Remittance received ($M) [+] 2017 16,833.3 4,373.9 2017 Remittance received ($M) [+]
% Immigrant [+] 2020 18.96% 13.95% 2020 % Immigrant [+]
% Emigrant [+] 2020 4.64% 7.05% 2020 % Emigrant [+]
Birth Rate [+] 2022 8.80‰ 10.10‰ 2021 Birth Rate [+]
Remittance sent ($M) [+] 2017 24,670.9 26,801.5 2017 Remittance sent ($M) [+]
Crude death rate [+] 2022 12.70‰ 9.70‰ 2021 Crude death rate [+]
Fertility Rate [+] 2021 1.58 1.56 2021 Fertility Rate [+]
Crude marriage rate [+] 2021 4.30‰ 4.40‰ 2016 Crude marriage rate [+]
% risk of poverty [+] 2022 14.7% 18.6% 2018 % risk of poverty [+]
Population [+] 2022 84,358,845 67,081,000 2020 Population [+]
Immigrant stock [+] 2020 15,762,457 9,359,587 2020 Immigrant stock [+]
Emigrant stock [+] 2020 3,855,268 4,732,510 2020 Emigrant stock [+]
HDI [+] 2021 0.942 0.929 2021 HDI [+]
Gender Gap Ranking [+] 2022 10º 22º 2022 Gender Gap Ranking [+]
Life expectancy [+] 2021 80.80 80.70 2021 Life expectancy [+]
Suicides [+] 2021 9,290 5,524 2020 Suicides [+]
Suicide rate [+] 2021 11.16 8.20 2020 Suicide rate [+]
Number of homicides [+] 2021 695 673 2020 Number of homicides [+]
Rate Homicides per 100.000 [+] 2021 0.83 1.00 2020 Rate Homicides per 100.000 [+]
Energy and Environment
CO2 Tons per capita [+] 2021 8.06 4.95 2021 CO2 Tons per capita [+]
Annual crude oil production [+] 2022 33 745 2022 Annual crude oil production [+]
Crude Oil Reserves [+] 2021 115.2 2,500.0 2021 Crude Oil Reserves [+]
Consumption GWh [+] 2021 511,660 287,319 2021 Consumption GWh [+]
Generation GWh [+] 2021 557,144 288,609 2021 Generation GWh [+]
Others
COVID-19 - Deaths [+] 08/09/2023 174,979 228,542 08/09/2023 COVID-19 - Deaths [+]
COVID-19 - Confirmed [+] 08/09/2023 38,437,756 24,656,914 08/09/2023 COVID-19 - Confirmed [+]
Fully vaccinated [+] 04/07/2023 63,563,414 50,762,968 09/11/2022 Fully vaccinated [+]
COVID-19 - Deaths per million population [+] 08/09/2023 2,074.22 3,406.96 08/09/2023 COVID-19 - Deaths per million population [+]
Doses administered [+] 04/07/2023 192,221,468 151,248,820 09/04/2022 Doses administered [+]

Don't expect any response from the nutter. I don't think he has the intelligence for a debate.

Edited 11 August, 2023 by Tamesaint

Guided Missile · 11 August, 2023

4 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

And the population over the year grew by how many percent?

I'd keep quiet mate. You Private Fraser doom laden forecasts at the beginning of this thread are an embarrassment now.

Guided Missile · 11 August, 2023

On 27/06/2016 at 14:03, Guided Missile said:

Whitey Grandad said:

How long will this take, how many people go bust in the meantime and will I still be alive when it's all settled?

Calm down dear, it's only the EU...

Whitey Grandad · 11 August, 2023

8 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

I'd keep quiet mate. You Private Fraser doom laden forecasts at the beginning of this thread are an embarrassment now.

They have all come true. The only embarrassment is to you.

And don’t you dare try to tell me to keep quiet.

Whitey Grandad · 11 August, 2023

8 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

The same question still applies and is as yet unanswered.

Warriorsaint · 14 August, 2023

On 11/08/2023 at 20:14, Guided Missile said:

I'd keep quiet mate. You Private Fraser doom laden forecasts at the beginning of this thread are an embarrassment now.

Who is this guy? Must live in Dover and throw rocks at boats. Brexit really helped with that eh?

badgerx16 · 14 August, 2023

4 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

Who is this guy? Must live in Dover and throw rocks at boats. Brexit really helped with that eh?

Read the opening post of this thread and work along from there. You will appreciate how mild mannered Duckie, Weston, et al truly are once you get to the stringing up with piano wire of 'traitors' who voted remain.

Edited 14 August, 2023 by badgerx16

Warriorsaint · 15 August, 2023

Oops

https://x.com/mrjamesob/status/1691351969716215808?s=46&t=sHH85X8TkV41x3qYO-bdug

Warriorsaint · 15 August, 2023

https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1691527877689290752?s=46&t=sHH85X8TkV41x3qYO-bdug

Warriorsaint · 22 August, 2023

Brexit keeps giving

https://t.co/YT7lclKodD

Fan The Flames · 22 August, 2023

1 hour ago, Warriorsaint said:

Brexit keeps giving

https://t.co/YT7lclKodD

Wrong link I think.

On travel and brexit; my friend's son went to Spain for a couple of weeks, got stamped into the country but didn't get stamped out. A few months later went to Austria and got detained by border guards for overstaying in Europe. Eventually proved he hadn't by the photos on his phone.

Brexit's shit.

Warriorsaint · 23 August, 2023

14 hours ago, Fan The Flames said:

Wrong link I think.

On travel and brexit; my friend's son went to Spain for a couple of weeks, got stamped into the country but didn't get stamped out. A few months later went to Austria and got detained by border guards for overstaying in Europe. Eventually proved he hadn't by the photos on his phone.

Brexit's shit.

Correct will edit

badgerx16 · 23 August, 2023

15 hours ago, Fan The Flames said:

Brexit's shit.

This.

buctootim · 23 August, 2023

Warriorsaint · 23 August, 2023

Gbeebies now crying because any trade deal with India will involve giving loads of immigration visas to Indians.

Brexit meet consequences 😂

Lord Duckhunter · 25 August, 2023

I guess you’ll all be on this, the fight back starts now!!!

What a list of speakers, inspiring. Gina Miller, Guy Verhofstadt, Femi

looking forward to hearing all about it.

badgerx16 · 25 August, 2023

43 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I guess you’ll all be on this, the fight back starts now!!!

What a list of speakers, inspiring. Gina Miller, Guy Verhofstadt, Femi

looking forward to hearing all about it.

As if there is any chance we could go back in on the same conditions we had before we left.

Lord Duckhunter · 25 August, 2023

47 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

As if there is any chance we could go back in on the same conditions we had before we left.

No chance, not an option.

Just like there was no option in ‘16 to remain in under the same conditions we had in 1973.

I take it you won’t be on the NRM then?

Edited 25 August, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter

trousers · 25 August, 2023

48 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

As if there is any chance we could go back in on the same conditions we had before we left.

2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

No chance, not an option.

Given the EU were extremely eager for us not to leave in the first place, why wouldn't they give us concessions/incentives to rejoin....?

badgerx16 · 25 August, 2023

Just now, Lord Duckhunter said:

No chance, not an option.

Which is why, no matter how shitty you think the post-Brexit situation is, you have to suck it up and work to make the best of it. Going back in at sometime in the future might become possible, but we would have to compromise on what previously were our red lines and rebates.

badgerx16 · 25 August, 2023

Just now, trousers said:

Given the EU were extremely eager for us not to leave in the first place, why wouldn't they give us concessions/incentives to rejoin....?

Because despite all their efforts to persuade us to stay we snubbed them.

Lord Duckhunter · 25 August, 2023

19 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Because despite all their efforts to persuade us to stay we snubbed them.

They didn’t really try that hard though did they? They gave Cameron fuck all, so he had to go all Harold Wilson & tried to make out he’d got some reform.

The truth of the matter is the Remain side thought they’d win, the EU thought they’d win, so they didn’t feel the need to offer anything up. I doubt it would have taken that much, and what they did concede probably could have been clawed back over the following years. Now, it’s too late, the reforms needed for us to rejoin aren’t compatible with their basic pillars. The 2018 election ensured we’ll be out for a generation at least. But it will be good to see Femi, Soubry & the rest pretending otherwise. Marching on together.

Edited 25 August, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter

spyinthesky · 25 August, 2023

Another march that will cause disruption, police time and cost in London and I was/am a Remainer.

buctootim · 25 August, 2023

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

They didn’t really try that hard though did they? They gave Cameron fuck all, so he had to go all Harold Wilson & tried to make out he’d got some reform.

There wasnt much wiggle room to give anything much. The whole point of a single market is common rules, rights benefits and obligations for all members. I doubt we'd go back as memebvers anytime soon - it would be too politically damaging and humiliating. Very close alignment - ie going back in 95%, effectively in except in name is a different matter.

rallyboy · 26 August, 2023

16 hours ago, spyinthesky said:

Another march that will cause disruption, police time and cost in London and I was/am a Remainer.

It's not about disruption, it's a distraction event.

If Met officers are tied up with that, women will be safer and London will be a nicer place for a day.

moonraker · 26 August, 2023

21 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

They didn’t really try that hard though did they? They gave Cameron fuck all, so he had to go all Harold Wilson & tried to make out he’d got some reform.

The truth of the matter is the Remain side thought they’d win, the EU thought they’d win, so they didn’t feel the need to offer anything up. I doubt it would have taken that much, and what they did concede probably could have been clawed back over the following years. Now, it’s too late, the reforms needed for us to rejoin aren’t compatible with their basic pillars. The 2018 election ensured we’ll be out for a generation at least. But it will be good to see Femi, Soubry & the rest pretending otherwise. Marching on together.

So please can you expand on what the EU could have given us, we already had one of if not the best deal, what is that you 5hink we deserve more than the other countries and why?

Warriorsaint · 26 August, 2023

1 hour ago, moonraker said:

So please can you expand on what the EU could have given us, we already had one of if not the best deal, what is that you 5hink we deserve more than the other countries and why?

No point in pandering to their talking points. They know its a ballsup but can’t accept its their fault.

Learn our lessons and not listen to these idiots in future

Warriorsaint · 26 August, 2023

On 25/08/2023 at 13:53, Lord Duckhunter said:

I guess you’ll all be on this, the fight back starts now!!!

What a list of speakers, inspiring. Gina Miller, Guy Verhofstadt, Femi

looking forward to hearing all about it.

Another thing for you to sneer at as well as refugees, the working poor and foreigners eh?

Warriorsaint · 27 August, 2023

Brexit betrayal

https://x.com/europeanpowell/status/1695678132399853770?s=46&t=sHH85X8TkV41x3qYO-bdug

spyinthesky · 28 August, 2023

I can only recount conversations I have had with friends and acquaintances.

Most of the Remainers, like me, were disappointed with the vote to leave but were prepared to accept we may be wrong and there were better days ahead.

To be fair there are a few Remainers who point the finger squarely at the likes of Farage. Lord Snooty, the ERG etc etc.

Those who voted to leave for a variety of reasons eg 'bringing back control'...'reducing immigration'..'opportunity for trade deals with the US and other parts of the world'.. etc etc are now rather sheepish, regret their vote and reckon they were misled.

A minority of staunch Brexiteers refuse to recant and often blame 'Remoaners' for all the problems that Brexit has caused with 'their negative attitudes'.

Interestingly they seem very shy in offering up any tangible benefits of leaving the EU.

Ironically one or two of them also hold a candle for dear old Boris and reckon he should have been allowed to stay as PM as sort out the current mess.

Edited 28 August, 2023 by spyinthesky

rallyboy · 28 August, 2023

Is that the first draft of the Stewart Lee routine? 😎

sadoldgit · 7 September, 2023

I see that the right wing press are trying to take some heat off of the current incompetent and disaster prone government by claiming that the recent minor reshuffle from Starmer indicates that he intends to try and rejoin the EU. You can only imagine the apoplexy if it was Starmer rather than Sunak who was currently negotiating to rejoin the EU’s Horizon programme. No doubt when they get around to reporting on this it will be spun as a positive and not some dodgy long term attempt to rejoin.

Smirking_Saint · 10 September, 2023

I see the groundbreaking trade deal with the US is going well… unfortunately not for us though

Edited 10 September, 2023 by Smirking_Saint

Mosin · 10 September, 2023

5 hours ago, Smirking_Saint said:

I see the groundbreaking trade deal with the US is going well… unfortunately not for us though

US is just a backer, they are not apart of it that's why it's called the " India-middle east- Europe economic corridor " not a US-India-middle east- Europe corridor.

And it's just a counterbalance to chinas belt and road project...

Fan The Flames · 10 September, 2023

1 hour ago, Mosin said:

US is just a backer, they are not apart of it that's why it's called the " India-middle east- Europe economic corridor " not a US-India-middle east- Europe corridor.

And it's just a counterbalance to chinas belt and road project...

You say that as though it's a bad thing.

Fan The Flames · 10 September, 2023

Lots of EU flags at LNotP yesterday, upsetting some Brexiteers.

Mosin · 10 September, 2023

1 hour ago, Fan The Flames said:

You say that as though it's a bad thing.

That what is a bad thing?

I was just pointing out that the economic corridor deal doesnt include the US like they was trying to insinuate.....

Mosin · 10 September, 2023

1 hour ago, Fan The Flames said:

Lots of EU flags at LNotP yesterday, upsetting some Brexiteers.

I'm sure we are so upset that a bunch of classical music dwellers was carrying eu flags is going to cause us a great deal of pain for many many years. I might turn out like warriorsaint staring at saints web while in the company of big titted women.

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