Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[Warriorsaint]

Goodness free trade deals?

 

[Tamesaint]

15 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

Goodness free trade deals?

 

Are you quoting James O'Brien just to cosy up to Alex / Batman / Delldays? You know how much he loves JO'B. 

To really impress him though you need to post Twitter pictures of women with dicks. He loves those.😁😁

[badgerx16]

25 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

Goodness free trade deals?

 

The difference is that our FTAs don't set out to favour our own trade, we let the other side have more than their fair share.

[Warriorsaint]

Lol 😂 

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJ4SF81B/

[Warriorsaint]

Yummy battery chicken eggs

 

 

Edwin Hayward

 

@edwinhayward

 

Battery cages are banned in the EU, but the Tories want to exercise their Brexit freedoms to allow battery-farmed eggs to be imported into the UK because of the CPTPP deal. Meanwhile, the EU are taking steps to end caged farming entirely (likely by 2027). https://theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/11/block-battery-eggs-coming-into-uk-say-animal-welfare-groups-brexit…

 

 

[badgerx16]

How has the UK got into a position where it might be importing eggs from Mexico ?

[Warriorsaint]

You see it was a grift from Day 1. Even the Leavers didn’t believe in it lol 😂 and the retarded all fell for it.

 

[badgerx16]

The UK joins the CPTPP.

Given we already had trade deals with most of the members, in reality we have gained 2 new deals; Malaysia and Brunei.

 

It is forecast ( guessed ), by the Government, that the deal will add about 0.1% to the UK's GDP, which hardly starts to make up for the 4% lost due to leaving the EU.

 

Yay !!!

[badgerx16]

Kemi Badenoch on the Laura Kuensberg show saying there is no sign of a trade deal with the US because you "cannot force people to sign". Also implying that the US isn't joining the CPTPP because of a change of administration, despite the fact that Donald Trump withdrew from negotiations and Biden has just maintained that position.

[Warriorsaint]

Brexit benefits keep coming 

 

[Fan The Flames]

Shame about Uxbridge, hoping for a clean sweep. Life in the old scabby blind dog still.

[sadoldgit]

12 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

Shame about Uxbridge, hoping for a clean sweep. Life in the old scabby blind dog still.

Strange result given on the one hand you have a choice of a failed, discredited party and on the other cleaner air for your children. Just a few hundred votes in it but selfishness still rules. Voters it seems would rather drive around polluting their air than punish the government for incompetence and ruining the country. ULEZ is clearly a contentious issue but perhaps the government should do what they have done in Birmingham and provide more help in car scrapage and replacement?

We should also remember that ULEZ was originally dreamed up by Boris Johnson as mayor.

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[AlexLaw76]

17 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Strange result given on the one hand you have a choice of a failed, discredited party and on the other cleaner air for your children. Just a few hundred votes in it but selfishness still rules. Voters it seems would rather drive around polluting their air than punish the government for incompetence and ruining the country. ULEZ is clearly a contentious issue but perhaps the government should do what they have done in Birmingham and provide more help in car scrapage and replacement?

We should also remember that ULEZ was originally dreamed up by Boris Johnson as mayor.

you mean, the government should give people even more money?

[badgerx16]

6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

you mean, the government should give people even more money?

On the news this morning they were trying to work out if the Chancellor might be able to fund tax cuts ahead of next year's election.

Isn't that the Government giving people money ?

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

On the news this morning they were trying to work out if the Chancellor might be able to fund tax cuts 

Isn't that the Government giving people money ?

No, its taking less of their money. 

[sadoldgit]

Where do these people think that money for Universal Credit, the State Pension, Eat Out To Help Out, foreign aid, state subsidies for business ventures etc. come from?

In this case the government are happy to provide subsidies for people to change their cars to more environmentally friendly vehicles in Birmingham, so why not London?

Also Sadiq Khan was told that he had to implement ULEZ by Grant Shapps so for Sunak to try and make political capital out of it is a joke. He is desperately trying to give some spin to a night when his party has been smashed in two safe seats and barely held on to a constituency that has never been held by Labour.

[Tamesaint]

3 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

On the news this morning they were trying to work out if the Chancellor might be able to fund tax cuts ahead of next year's election.

 

 The country is sick and tired of all those public services like hospitals and schools awash with cash. I am sure that tax cuts will overturn a Labour 20% lead in the polls. 😁😁😁😁

[whelk]

4 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Strange result given on the one hand you have a choice of a failed, discredited party and on the other cleaner air for your children. Just a few hundred votes in it but selfishness still rules. Voters it seems would rather drive around polluting their air than punish the government for incompetence and ruining the country. ULEZ is clearly a contentious issue but perhaps the government should do what they have done in Birmingham and provide more help in car scrapage and replacement?

We should also remember that ULEZ was originally dreamed up by Boris Johnson as mayor.

Selfishness? Are you any different? That is fundamental issue with most climate policies in that they impact those that can least afford to take the hit.

like the clowns at Southampton Council desperate to slow up Basset Ave putting in a cycle lane to nowhere used by no-one. Just having laudable goals is not enough and have to fully understand the impact to those affected on a daily basis.

Edited 21 July, 2023 by whelk

[buctootim]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

No, its taking less of their money. 

The Nordic countries with their high levels of public expenditure and taxation dominate the happiness leagues. Fuck em, they should be miserable like us (well you and the gammons tbf )  

Edited 21 July, 2023 by buctootim

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

No, its taking less of their money. 

Just as much of a bribe.

[Fan The Flames]

5 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Strange result given on the one hand you have a choice of a failed, discredited party and on the other cleaner air for your children. Just a few hundred votes in it but selfishness still rules. Voters it seems would rather drive around polluting their air than punish the government for incompetence and ruining the country. ULEZ is clearly a contentious issue but perhaps the government should do what they have done in Birmingham and provide more help in car scrapage and replacement?

We should also remember that ULEZ was originally dreamed up by Boris Johnson as mayor.

What people want and what people are prepared to put up withto get there, aren't always compatible.

[Fan The Flames]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

No, its taking less of their money. 

Not if we are borrowing to do it.

[Fan The Flames]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Also Sadiq Khan was told that he had to implement ULEZ by Grant Shapps so for Sunak to try and make political capital out of it is a joke. He is desperately trying to give some spin to a night when his party has been smashed in two safe seats and barely held on to a constituency that has never been held by Labour.

The tories strategy is to now focus on 'Labour in Power', to build a project fear of how shit is going to be under Starmer, by looking at the labour mayors and the Welsh government. 

They want to pick holes in the labour record in office because they're record in government is so appalling.

It's interesting that they are not focusing on labour councils, because of course the majority of councils that have gone bust are tory ones.

[sadoldgit]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

Selfishness? Are you any different? That is fundamental issue with most climate policies in that they impact those that can least afford to take the hit.

like the clowns at Southampton Council desperate to slow up Basset Ave putting in a cycle lane to nowhere used by no-one. Just having laudable goals is not enough and have to fully understand the impact to those affected on a daily basis.

What about the daily impact of breathing polluted air, especially for children and developing lungs? Apparently, despite best efforts and a vast improvement in air quality , London’’s air still doesn’t satisfy the international legal level of acceptable pollution. 

Listening to Khan he is aware of the financial problems faced by many and has put plans in place to help ameliorate the problems for many. He has been hindered in his plans in some ways by being told he will have to find the money for the scrapage programme himself. The government have given subsidies to several other cities for scrapage so you have to wonder whether some petty politicking is going on and if the same would be the case if it was a Tory London mayor.

Having said that, the speed with which he is pushing through ULEZ in the outer London area probably needs to be reviewed.

If you unhappy about cycle lanes in Southampton I suggest that you take that up with the local council as I don’t think that has much to do with Labour’s performance in the Uxbridge by-election.

Incidentally, I was born and raised in London and had to walk to school for 3 days during in the smog outbreak in 1962. It was a thick, green colour (hence the name “pea souper”), you could barely see your hand in front of your face and god knows what it did to our lungs but it was responsible for over 700 deaths from bronchial conditions. Fortunately we no longer have smogs (thanks to the banning of coal fires) but their is still a major problem with asthma and other bronchial problems amongst children caused by car emissions.

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[whelk]

23 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

What about the daily impact of breathing polluted air, especially for children and developing lungs? Apparently, despite best efforts and a vast improvement in air quality , London’’s air still doesn’t satisfy the international legal level of acceptable pollution. 

Listening to Khan he is aware of the financial problems faced by many and has put plans in place to help ameliorate the problems for many. He has been hindered in his plans in some ways by being told he will have to find the money for the scrapage programme himself. The government have given subsidies to several other cities for scrapage so you have to wonder whether some petty politicking is going on and if the same would be the case if it was a Tory London mayor.

Having said that, the speed with which he is pushing through ULEZ in the outer London area probably needs to be reviewed.

If you unhappy about cycle lanes in Southampton I suggest that you take that up with the local council as I don’t think that has much to do with Labour’s performance in the Uxbridge by-election.

Incidentally, I was born and raised in London and had to walk to school for 3 days during in the smog outbreak in 1962. It was a thick, green colour (hence the name “pea souper”), you could barely see your hand in front of your face and god knows what it did to our lungs but it was responsible for over 700 deaths from bronchial conditions. Fortunately we no longer have smogs (thanks to the banning of coal fires) but their is still a major problem with asthma and other bronchial problems amongst children caused by car emissions.

You are so desperate to be a righteous prick. Problem is despite your verbose attempts to look knowledgeable you aren’t that bright.

Edited 21 July, 2023 by whelk

[Whitey Grandad]

6 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

No, its taking less of their money. 

Quite so. You can’t bribe people with their own money.

[Whitey Grandad]

3 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

What about the daily impact of breathing polluted air, especially for children and developing lungs? Apparently, despite best efforts and a vast improvement in air quality , London’’s air still doesn’t satisfy the international legal level of acceptable pollution. 

Listening to Khan he is aware of the financial problems faced by many and has put plans in place to help ameliorate the problems for many. He has been hindered in his plans in some ways by being told he will have to find the money for the scrapage programme himself. The government have given subsidies to several other cities for scrapage so you have to wonder whether some petty politicking is going on and if the same would be the case if it was a Tory London mayor.

Having said that, the speed with which he is pushing through ULEZ in the outer London area probably needs to be reviewed.

If you unhappy about cycle lanes in Southampton I suggest that you take that up with the local council as I don’t think that has much to do with Labour’s performance in the Uxbridge by-election.

Incidentally, I was born and raised in London and had to walk to school for 3 days during in the smog outbreak in 1962. It was a thick, green colour (hence the name “pea souper”), you could barely see your hand in front of your face and god knows what it did to our lungs but it was responsible for over 700 deaths from bronchial conditions. Fortunately we no longer have smogs (thanks to the banning of coal fires) but their is still a major problem with asthma and other bronchial problems amongst children caused by car emissions.

The air in London is cleaner than it’s ever been. Some of us lived there through the fifties and sixties.

[spyinthesky]

4 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

What about the daily impact of breathing polluted air, especially for children and developing lungs? Apparently, despite best efforts and a vast improvement in air quality , London’’s air still doesn’t satisfy the international legal level of acceptable pollution. 

Listening to Khan he is aware of the financial problems faced by many and has put plans in place to help ameliorate the problems for many. He has been hindered in his plans in some ways by being told he will have to find the money for the scrapage programme himself. The government have given subsidies to several other cities for scrapage so you have to wonder whether some petty politicking is going on and if the same would be the case if it was a Tory London mayor.

Having said that, the speed with which he is pushing through ULEZ in the outer London area probably needs to be reviewed.

If you unhappy about cycle lanes in Southampton I suggest that you take that up with the local council as I don’t think that has much to do with Labour’s performance in the Uxbridge by-election.

Incidentally, I was born and raised in London and had to walk to school for 3 days during in the smog outbreak in 1962. It was a thick, green colour (hence the name “pea souper”), you could barely see your hand in front of your face and god knows what it did to our lungs but it was responsible for over 700 deaths from bronchial conditions. Fortunately we no longer have smogs (thanks to the banning of coal fires) but their is still a major problem with asthma and other bronchial problems amongst children caused by car emissions.

There are a whole host of pronouncements with regards to pollution.
One I have read, ie research from Cambridge University, reckons that the highest levels of PM2.5 in London is to be found on the Underground system.
For example the Jubilee Line has pollution levels of 220 particles per cubic metre.
This is massively more than recorded above ground.
And yet millions of people use the Tube every day and suffer less from pollution when they are above ground.
Another form of pollution is in the house especially from wood burners, once promoted as a 'clean' fuel, air fresheners, deodorant sprays etc etc.
Not so long ago Southampton had a coal fired power station next to the central station, all homes, businesses, ships, trains etc were powered by coal and yet all my family lived long and hearty lives.
Make of that what you will.
Millions of people use the Tube each year but this has never been headline news in any media outlet 

[sadoldgit]

17 hours ago, whelk said:

You are so desperate to be a righteous prick. Problem is despite your verbose attempts to look knowledgeable you aren’t that bright.

Being righteous has nothing to do with it.  Don’t you want to live in a better world? People are trying to do the right thing so why not support them? You just sound like the other reactionary idiots on here.

You don’t have to be bright not to want to breath polluted air which is one of the (many) reasons I moved to the countryside when I could.

As for living next to a coal power station and being ok, some people smoke all their lives and live to a ripe old age, but we know smoking does terrible harm to the lungs and many will have health problems or die prematurely because they smoked.

As you say Whitey, London air is cleaner than it was in the 50’s and 60’s thanks to the various measures to clean it up but it is still not where it should be under international law.

Sadiq Khan was talking about the problems on the Tube the other day and that is being looked into but that doesn’t mean that reducing car emissions is any less important.

If being a self righteous prick means that the right decisions are made for the right reasons, why not be a self righteous prick?

[Whitey Grandad]

33 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Being righteous has nothing to do with it.  Don’t you want to live in a better world? People are trying to do the right thing so why not support them? You just sound like the other reactionary idiots on here.

You don’t have to be bright not to want to breath polluted air which is one of the (many) reasons I moved to the countryside when I could.

As for living next to a coal power station and being ok, some people smoke all their lives and live to a ripe old age, but we know smoking does terrible harm to the lungs and many will have health problems or die prematurely because they smoked.

As you say Whitey, London air is cleaner than it was in the 50’s and 60’s thanks to the various measures to clean it up but it is still not where it should be under international law.

Sadiq Khan was talking about the problems on the Tube the other day and that is being looked into but that doesn’t mean that reducing car emissions is any less important.

If being a self righteous prick means that the right decisions are made for the right reasons, why not be a self righteous prick?

The problem with London and the air that goes with it is that there are too many people living there. You can’t reduce the traffic and expect the same standard of living. This applies especially in the outer parts especially those just inside the M25. The inner parts are buffered by the outer and they have better public transport and a lot fewer cars.

The only way to support those living in the middle is by supporting them with economic aid from the outside.

There was once a time when we had trolley buses and trams throughout. We have gone backwards.

[spyinthesky]

3 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

The problem with London and the air that goes with it is that there are too many people living there. You can’t reduce the traffic and expect the same standard of living. This applies especially in the outer parts especially those just inside the M25. The inner parts are buffered by the outer and they have better public transport and a lot fewer cars.

The only way to support those living in the middle is by supporting them with economic aid from the outside.

There was once a time when we had trolley buses and trams throughout. We have gone backwards.

Re Trams and Trolleybuses.
Trams were in Southampton and many other cities until just after WW2 and Trolleybuses soldered on in Pompey, Reading and Bournemouth until much later.
However they were not particularly 'clean' as the electric power came from local authority power stations all of them coal fired.

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[sadoldgit]

5 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

The problem with London and the air that goes with it is that there are too many people living there. You can’t reduce the traffic and expect the same standard of living. This applies especially in the outer parts especially those just inside the M25. The inner parts are buffered by the outer and they have better public transport and a lot fewer cars.

The only way to support those living in the middle is by supporting them with economic aid from the outside.

There was once a time when we had trolley buses and trams throughout. We have gone backwards.

 Bottom line is that we all want cleaner air, we all want better services and infrastructure, we all want a better NHS, we all agree that more homes need to be built, but we don’t want to pay more for these things or the houses built next door.

Agree that there are issues around public transport in the outer areas of London. It needs improving and it needs to be cheaper. Mind you, that is also a national problem. In my area of Kent the local bus services are already very poor and the KCC have recently announced further cuts to the services in rural areas. You are stuffed here without a car. We have got rid of one car and trying to work around just using one car hasn’t been easy.

[Lord Duckhunter]

38 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

 Agree that there are issues around public transport in the outer areas of London. It needs improving and it needs to be cheaper. Mind you, that is also a national problem. In my area of Kent the local bus services are already very poor and the KCC have recently announced further cuts to the services in rural areas. You are stuffed here without a car. We have got rid of one car and trying to work around just using one car hasn’t been easy.

What’s this boring  old pony got to do with Brexit? 
 

Start a thread about Kent bus service and stop spamming this one. 

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[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

 Bottom line is that we all want cleaner air, we all want better services and infrastructure, we all want a better NHS, we all agree that more homes need to be built, but we don’t want to pay more for these things or the houses built next door.

Agree that there are issues around public transport in the outer areas of London. It needs improving and it needs to be cheaper. Mind you, that is also a national problem. In my area of Kent the local bus services are already very poor and the KCC have recently announced further cuts to the services in rural areas. You are stuffed here without a car. We have got rid of one car and trying to work around just using one car hasn’t been easy.

We live in west Chandlers Ford and we don’t have a bus service.

[whelk]

You have got to be some sort of cunt to want to catch a bus rather than drive your car

[buctootim]

19 minutes ago, whelk said:

You have got to be some sort of cunt to want to catch a bus rather than drive your car

Thats not how it works. People make logical choices. I commute to London by train because its quicker cheaper and less hassle than driving. For journeys of less than mile or so around Central London I generally walk because its quicker than a taxi. 

Many many cities have shown the more roads you build the more cars you get filling them and the shittier the built environment gets.   

Edited 22 July, 2023 by buctootim

[Whitey Grandad]

3 hours ago, whelk said:

You have got to be some sort of cunt to want to catch a bus rather than drive your car

That’s a very limited outlook.

[Warriorsaint]

4 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What’s this boring  old pony got to do with Brexit? 
 

Start a thread about Kent bus service and stop spamming this one. 

Ohhh pony and trap wants to talk about Brexit does he? Here’s another benefit.

 

[whelk]

13 hours ago, buctootim said:

Thats not how it works. People make logical choices. I commute to London by train because its quicker cheaper and less hassle than driving. For journeys of less than mile or so around Central London I generally walk because its quicker than a taxi. 

Many many cities have shown the more roads you build the more cars you get filling them and the shittier the built environment gets.   

Wasn’t meant to be taken too seriously but public transport outside of London is shit and often far slower than a car. Catching a bus needs to be more enjoyable and give benefit rather than add to travel costs, take longer and mix with all types of scummy noisy people. Yeah put a tag line on a road sign is all it needs. 

[sadoldgit]

18 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What’s this boring  old pony got to do with Brexit? 
 

Start a thread about Kent bus service and stop spamming this one. 

Pretty much like you prattling on about anti-semitism on the Boris Johnson thread when it should have been on the Israel thread.

And, of course, crap public services have nothing to do with Tory policies over the last 13 years do they? It’s almost as if the country hasn’t gone to the dogs at a rate of knots since Brexit 🙄

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[Turkish]

3 hours ago, whelk said:

Wasn’t meant to be taken too seriously but public transport outside of London is shit and often far slower than a car. Catching a bus needs to be more enjoyable and give benefit rather than add to travel costs, take longer and mix with all types of scummy noisy people. Yeah put a tag line on a road sign is all it needs. 

Plus it’s very expensive. A return ticket on the bus from where I live into the centre of town is £10.40 for two adults and a child. It’s about 3 miles each way. A taxi is about £8 on way or drive and park for the whole afternoon about a fiver. 
 

the train for me to London if I want to get into king cross around 9am is £260 cattle class. First class is over £400. You can fly to most of Europe for less than that. 

[AlexLaw76]

3 hours ago, whelk said:

Wasn’t meant to be taken too seriously but public transport outside of London is shit and often far slower than a car. Catching a bus needs to be more enjoyable and give benefit rather than add to travel costs, take longer and mix with all types of scummy noisy people. Yeah put a tag line on a road sign is all it needs. 

One of the reasons why many city centres are dying (outside of the UKs major hubs) is that they are not particularly car friendly, at best.

All well and good having more and more 'pedestrian-ised zones', but not if all you have is Costa, Starbucks, mobile phone accessory shops and turkish barbers, to 'shop in'

but makes certain people feel good though

Edited 23 July, 2023 by AlexLaw76

[Weston Super Saint]

14 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

the train for me to London if I want to get into king cross around 9am is £260 cattle class. First class is over £400. You can fly to most of Europe for less than that. 

And they still can't make a profit!!

Something fundamentally wrong with our train system if we can't run efficient trains at reasonable prices, like the rest of the world seems to be able to do...

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

And they still can't make a profit!!

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/train-companies-make-310m-profit-after-being-put-on-new-contracts-during-pandemic-union-claims-2070558

[Fan The Flames]

4 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

One of the reasons why many city centres are dying (outside of the UKs major hubs) is that they are not particularly car friendly, at best.

All well and good having more and more 'pedestrian-ised zones', but not if all you have is Costa, Starbucks, mobile phone accessory shops and turkish barbers, to 'shop in'

but makes certain people feel good though

Pedestrianisation of high streets has been going on for what 60 years, that's not why high streets are dying, people are shopping in a different way.

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, Fan The Flames said:

Pedestrianisation of high streets has been going on for what 60 years, that's not why high streets are dying, people are shopping in a different way.

But, nothing is reversing it or stopping it and making people with cars welcome. Nothing

[ecuk268]

5 hours ago, Turkish said:

Plus it’s very expensive. A return ticket on the bus from where I live into the centre of town is £10.40 for two adults and a child. It’s about 3 miles each way. A taxi is about £8 on way or drive and park for the whole afternoon about a fiver. 
 

the train for me to London if I want to get into king cross around 9am is £260 cattle class. First class is over £400. You can fly to most of Europe for less than that. 

One of the few benefits of getting old is the bus pass.

Use it to go to footy, no worries about parking or having a few drinks. 

Also use it in London , very handy to hop on and off buses as you please.

Of course it all hangs on there being a decent bus service. Southampton's not too bad and London is excellent but some places have very few services if any.

[Whitey Grandad]

10 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

One of the few benefits of getting old is the bus pass.

Use it to go to footy, no worries about parking or having a few drinks. 

Also use it in London , very handy to hop on and off buses as you please.

Of course it all hangs on there being a decent bus service. Southampton's not too bad and London is excellent but some places have very few services if any.

I’ve got a bus pass but no buses 😔

[Weston Super Saint]

Just now, Whitey Grandad said:

I’ve got a bus pass but no buses 😔

Give it an hour and you'll have three 😉

[Fan The Flames]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

But, nothing is reversing it or stopping it and making people with cars welcome. Nothing

How car drivers less welcome in town centres now compared to say 10 or 20 years ago?