Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[Guided Missile]

On 28/06/2016 at 15:38, Guided Missile said:

Whitey Grandad said:

Nothing is as straightforward as the Single Market. Anything else costs more.

You just don't have a clue, Whitey. The EU is a regulatory nightmare, one I am just waking up from. Alright if your selling washers, but for anything the Germans and French want to protect, you're f*****

 

[Guided Missile]

On 28/06/2016 at 15:54, Guided Missile said:

Whitey Grandad said:

I have been exporting several million £ to the EU for over 30 years and I don't have any problems. Who have you upset?

Like I said, not a clue and if you aren't prepared to read and learn about the options open to the UK in those links I posted, then me posting the 50 page summary of the EU regulations covering my business and the 100's of associated regulations and guidance documents, is a waste of time. Having seen German and French companies ignore the uniform principles of the EU, to use these regulations against SME's and larger UK companies have, I think, provided me with the experience you obviously lack and from which you aren't prepared to learn. The UK regulatory authorities always applied EU law fairly. The Germans and the French? It was summed up by the German authorities, when asked why they hadn't approved one of our products for sale in Germany, after approval in the UK, asked me if I had a supply agreement in place with Bayer.

 

[badgerx16]

GM is doing the Time Warp again.

[Guided Missile]

Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, this morning:
 

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Whatever happens, the UK is about to join a large, open, dynamic free trade grouping that is open to new technology and congenial for sovereign self-governing nations under their own laws. It can look forward to a bilateral deal with the US sooner than most had supposed. 
The trading arrangements that free trade Brexiteers had always hoped to see are finally taking shape. Good work Prime Minister.

[Guided Missile]

I can just feel the Remainer tears hitting their keyboards. 😭

[badgerx16]

21 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

I can just feel the Remainer tears hitting their keyboards. 😭

Tears of laughter at gullible twats like you thinking the Telegraph is the fount of all wisdom and that Brexit is leading us to the Promised Land.

[Tamesaint]

On 29/03/2023 at 15:13, Guided Missile said:

More good news:

N.B. CPTPP member countries have a combined population of 500 million and GDP of £9 trillion. DIT projections suggest UK exports to CPTPP will increase to 65% by 2030, equating to a rise of £37 billion, and demand for UK imports is expected to rise by two thirds by 2030, to just under £4.5 trillion. As a result, accession to CPTPP could lead to an increase of £1.8 billion in UK GDP long term, and if the bloc continues to expand, it could cover over 19% of global GDP.

 

 

Benefit to UK GDP from joining CPTPP - 0.08% (official Government estimates).

Loss to UK GDP from leaving the EU - 4% (official Government estimates).

 

Only a syphilitic ridden madman could draw the wrong conclusion from these statistics.

 

 

 

 

[spyinthesky]

58 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

 

 

Benefit to UK GDP from joining CPTPP - 0.08% (official Government estimates).

Loss to UK GDP from leaving the EU - 4% (official Government estimates).

 

Only a syphilitic ridden madman could draw the wrong conclusion from these statistics.

 

 

 

 

Doesnt the 0.08% figure cover the benefit over 10 years??

[badgerx16]

12 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

Doesnt the 0.08% figure cover the benefit over 10 years??

Correct. The punt being taken is based on predictions and presumptions on how things might look in 30 years time.

[Whitey Grandad]

7 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

moribund:
(of a thing) in terminal decline; lacking vitality or vigour.
"the moribund commercial property market"

"Swallowed the cool aid" 🤣

Your second quote illustrates the idiot’s understanding of percentages.

”Its share of global GDP will drop to 14.6pc this year. It is losing roughly one percentage point every three years.”

It is not dropping at all, it is actually growing. Such figures are used by the unscrupulous to reign in dummies that think they mean something that they don’t mean but like what they read and don’t have the wit or wisdom to examine them more closely

. A relative share expressed as a percentage, that’s a ‘fraction’ to you, is an abstract irrelevance since the two quantities between compared are not related. The EU’s GDP is increasing year on year so why you should think it might be dropping is deeply disturbing.

[Tamesaint]

8 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

“This is a seismic event. The EU and the US fully understand the geo-economic significance of this, and are utterly shocked that it could have happened,” said Shanker Singham, a UK trade adviser and a fellow at the Institute of Economic Affairs.

 

I wouldn't give a shiny fart for the opinion of someone from the Institute of Economic Affairs. Any "think-tank" that promotes the economic views of Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwarteng clearly doesn't think too deeply.

A bit like Guided Missile.

 

 

 

[Guided Missile]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Your second quote illustrates the idiot’s understanding of percentages.

”Its share of global GDP will drop to 14.6pc this year. It is losing roughly one percentage point every three years.”

It is not dropping at all, it is actually growing. Such figures are used by the unscrupulous to reign in dummies that think they mean something that they don’t mean but like what they read and don’t have the wit or wisdom to examine them more closely

. A relative share expressed as a percentage, that’s a ‘fraction’ to you, is an abstract irrelevance since the two quantities between compared are not related. The EU’s GDP is increasing year on year so why you should think it might be dropping is deeply disturbing.

I'll keep it simple for you. 

The EU economy has grown in size, but the rest of the world economy has grown faster, thus it's share is dropping.

(I must admit, I had to read your post twice, as it is ungrammatical and makes no real sense. "an abstract irrelevance since the two quantities between compared are not related." WTF???)

 

[Guided Missile]

I can taste the bitterness of the Remainers, whining like bitches.  So funny.

[Guided Missile]

Here's a picture that might help:

[Guided Missile]

[badgerx16]

26 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

I can taste the bitterness of the Remainers, whining like bitches.  So funny.

Brexit is a Pyrrhic victory. It wil never deliver what you think it will. As for whining like a "bitch", at least I'm not Farage's bitch, or Rees-Mogg's stooge.

[Tamesaint]

1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

I can taste the bitterness of the Remainers, whining like bitches.  So funny.

You are quite mad aren't you?

[The Kraken]

4 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

You are quite mad aren't you?

Best leaving him to it at this stage, he’s in his 70s and basically just barking at the moon about his Brexit victory. It’s just a bit sad, really. Very strange fella, always has been.

[Guided Missile]

The 5 stages of grief:

1. denial
2. anger 
3. bargaining 
4. depression 
5. acceptance

When are you losers going to get past number 2?

[badgerx16]

12 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

The 5 stages of grief:

1. denial
2. anger 
3. bargaining 
4. depression 
5. acceptance

When are you losers going to get past number 2?

1) I heve never denied Brexit, I just feel it is a big mistake.

2) I am not angry, but I am sad that the UK has started a slow decline into International obscurity to satisfy the selfish aspirations of a few extremists..

3) What is there to bargain with or about ?

4) Depression - logging on here and seeing you have polluted the forum yet again.

5)  As with (1); Brexit is a reality, but hopefully once enough of the old stagers harking back to the ( lost ) glories of the Empire have kicked the bucket, the next generation will put things right.

Edited 31 March, 2023 by badgerx16

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

I'll keep it simple for you. 

The EU economy has grown in size, but the rest of the world economy has grown faster, thus it's share is dropping.

(I must admit, I had to read your post twice, as it is ungrammatical and makes no real sense. "an abstract irrelevance since the two quantities between compared are not related." WTF???)

 

'Being' not 'between' Ipad innit. I thought that might have been obvious to be honest.

You have once again dsplayed your mathematical ignorance. And don't try any of your snotty little comments on me chum, when it coes to academi achievements I outrank you several times over.

Its share is irrelevant. It is certainly not 'dropping'. It's arguments like this that trap the mathematically illiterate and they've certainly ensnared you. "The EU economy has grown in size" there you have it in your words in black and white. It has grown. It is increasing in value. It is getting bigger. What anybody on the other side of the world is doing has no relevance. If Bolivia and Chile, for example, want to exchange thousands of tons of gold on a daily basis their economies will appear bigger than they were. Their economies will appear to have grown. That has nothing to do with the EU.

Look at what I wrote again (with correction), "an abstract irrelevance since the two quantities being compared are not related." If a shop in Wolverhampton sells 100,000 oranges and a shop in Nairobi sells 100,000 avocados then which has the higher turnover? If next year the shop in Wolverhampton sells 150,000 oranges and the one in Nairobi sells 120,000 avovados then which has increased its turnover and by how much. Trying to measure one relative to the other is idiotic.

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

Here's a picture that might help:

You are a right idiot. SHARE IS NOT RELEVANT. It's absolute values that matter.

[Whitey Grandad]

16 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

The 5 stages of grief:

1. denial
2. anger 
3. bargaining 
4. depression 
5. acceptance

When are you losers going to get past number 2?

Where did you copy that from?

There is only one stage. Pure, unadulterated anger. Anger that a selfish idiot like you can ruin the livelihoods of honest hard-working people. This anger will never go away. We know who you are and one day you will get your come uppance. You will be first up against the wall.

[Guided Missile]

4 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

You have once again dsplayed your mathematical ignorance. And don't try any of your snotty little comments on me chum, when it coes to academi achievements I outrank you several times over.

Like I said, you haven't got past the anger stage. BTW I love the avocados and oranges analogy. You must have a PhD in greengrocery and you think that proves the EU's share of the global GDP is increasing. Bless...

 

[Guided Missile]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Look at what I wrote again (with correction), "an abstract irrelevance since the two quantities being compared are not related." If a shop in Wolverhampton sells 100,000 oranges and a shop in Nairobi sells 100,000 avocados then which has the higher turnover? If next year the shop in Wolverhampton sells 150,000 oranges and the one in Nairobi sells 120,000 avovados then which has increased its turnover and by how much. Trying to measure one relative to the other is idiotic.

I'm assuming you didn't spot the PPP (purchasing power parity) basis on which the comparisons were made. That is how idiots like me are able to make sense of the data. Data that seems to totally beyond you comprehension. Purchasing Power Parity is how you compare apples and oranges in economics, chum.

[badgerx16]

56 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

That is how idiots like me ........

Oh God, is there more than 1 like you ?

Edited 31 March, 2023 by badgerx16

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

I'm assuming you didn't spot the PPP (purchasing power parity) basis on which the comparisons were made. That is how idiots like me are able to make sense of the data. Data that seems to totally beyond you comprehension. Purchasing Power Parity is how you compare apples and oranges in economics, chum.

You're not making any "sense" of any "data", you plank.

You never have over the years and years on here of you copying and pasting things from the Daily Telegraph that you don't really understand but you think you agree with. Half the time you post it uncredited desperate for us to think it is your original thinking, but it never is.

But today you done put a graph up, well done you.

Looking forward to your next copy and paste. You're like the very best at it 👍👍

Edited 31 March, 2023 by CB Fry

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

Like I said, you haven't got past the anger stage. BTW I love the avocados and oranges analogy. You must have a PhD in greengrocery and you think that proves the EU's share of the global GDP is increasing. Bless...

 

Oh FFS. Share means nothing.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

I'm assuming you didn't spot the PPP (purchasing power parity) basis on which the comparisons were made. That is how idiots like me are able to make sense of the data. Data that seems to totally beyond you comprehension. Purchasing Power Parity is how you compare apples and oranges in economics, chum.

I am not and never will be your ‘chum’.

Yes, [tedious voice], we all know about PPP. It cannot and should not be used anywhere anybody of limited comprehension.

Has the EU’s living standard increased? Of course it has. Therefore it is not ‘dropping’.

Here’s a simple Illustration. Pedro lives in Patagonia and Bruno lives in Berlin.which has the better living standard?

- Correct!

Pedro gets a 300% pay rise and Bruno gets a 5% pay rise. Now who’s better off?

Tricky little question, isn’t it?

[Guided Missile]

10 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

7 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I am not and never will be your ‘chum’.

 

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You have once again dsplayed your mathematical ignorance. And don't try any of your snotty little comments on me chum, when it coes(sic) to academi(sic) achievements I outrank you several times over.

You don't even read what you post, let alone what I post. Our debate was about whether the EU share of the global economy was shrinking, not whether a share was an important measure of economic success. My posts proved you were wrong and you showed your nasty left wing streak. Now get back to waiting for the class war, when you can line up people you disagree with in front of a firing squad.

[CB Fry]

32 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

 My posts proved you were wrong and you showed your nasty left wing streak. Now get back to waiting for the class war, when you can line up people you disagree with in front of a firing squad.

Do your piano wire routine again, it's been a while.

What I like about it is how definitely not "nasty" it is, because you're simply a lovely guy x x x x

[Tamesaint]

GM proves that your brain ends up poisoned when you make poisons for a living. 

[Weston Super Saint]

To be fair to GM, what he is claiming is not wrong.  The two things are not mutually exclusive and the EU's GDP can increase, whilst it's percentage of the world's GDP can decrease at the same time.

Likewise the GDP of the US was $21.06trillion in 2020 and it's global GDP % was 24.75%.  In 2021 GDP rose to $23.32trillion but global GDP % shrunk to 24.16%.

All it means is countries like China, Japan, South Korea, India and many in Africa are growing at a faster rate and are therefore taking a (slightly) bigger share of the global GDP%.

GDP is also not the best indicator of living standards - take North Korea or Russia for example who plough huge chunks of their GDP into weapons / research and bribes / corruption and don't invest in public services or feed their people!

[Whitey Grandad]

1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

To be fair to GM, what he is claiming is not wrong.  The two things are not mutually exclusive and the EU's GDP can increase, whilst it's percentage of the world's GDP can decrease at the same time.

Likewise the GDP of the US was $21.06trillion in 2020 and it's global GDP % was 24.75%.  In 2021 GDP rose to $23.32trillion but global GDP % shrunk to 24.16%.

All it means is countries like China, Japan, South Korea, India and many in Africa are growing at a faster rate and are therefore taking a (slightly) bigger share of the global GDP%.

GDP is also not the best indicator of living standards - take North Korea or Russia for example who plough huge chunks of their GDP into weapons / research and bribes / corruption and don't invest in public services or feed their people!

You’re absolutely right WSS and we all (most) understand quite clearly what is meant by share as a proportion of total GDP. But this is not the same thing as share of a market, for example, where the gross total is limited. it is not a quantity that is ‘shared’ out. I cannot see why anybody bothers to calculate such figures. To try to compare such a ‘share’ from one year to the next is a fool’s errand.

 

[badgerx16]

26 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

To be fair to GM, what he is claiming is not wrong.  The two things are not mutually exclusive and the EU's GDP can increase, whilst it's percentage of the world's GDP can decrease at the same time.

Likewise the GDP of the US was $21.06trillion in 2020 and it's global GDP % was 24.75%.  In 2021 GDP rose to $23.32trillion but global GDP % shrunk to 24.16%.

All it means is countries like China, Japan, South Korea, India and many in Africa are growing at a faster rate and are therefore taking a (slightly) bigger share of the global GDP%.

GDP is also not the best indicator of living standards - take North Korea or Russia for example who plough huge chunks of their GDP into weapons / research and bribes / corruption and don't invest in public services or feed their people!

True. The raw statistical data is accurate, but to claim that because the EU's share of the Global pie is slightly smaller in percentage terms this means that the EU is failing is a load of bollocks, that probably even the Daily Telegraph's journalists know although they will print it because it is red meat to their slavering readership.. What GM does is cut&paste from the DT without any understanding of what he is posting, and then berate and insult anybody pulling him up on it. And stating that people who voted Remain are traitors and should be strung up with piano wire hasn't helped foster a positive image of him.

[rallyboy]

Is it today that Cameron jumps out and shouts gotcha!?

Boris will then bumble out with thumbs-up and a big cheeky grin, followed by some laughing Russians and Rwandans, Cummings in comedy dark glasses with a white cane, and all those madcap MPs who have been telling us we are so much better off - all delivering in deadpan for comic effect!

Grayling nearly gave it away with his I have no ships joke, Rees-Mogg too with his impression of a bespectacled slave-trader - and Raab doing his comedy surprise on discovering that Dover was a port, he's a card! 

But fair play to them all, what a stunt, from the bus right through to 'oven-ready' and all those crazy press statements about bonkers trade deals that are clearly worth nothing - even the fishing villages, the Mail, the Express, and the farmers were in on it - bloody hilarious!  🤣👍

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

True. The raw statistical data is accurate, but to claim that because the EU's share of the Global pie is slightly smaller in percentage terms this means that the EU is failing is a load of bollocks, that probably even the Daily Telegraph's journalists know although they will print it because it is red meat to their slavering readership.. What GM does is cut&paste from the DT without any understanding of what he is posting, and then berate and insult anybody pulling him up on it. And stating that people who voted Remain are traitors and should be strung up with piano wire hasn't helped foster a positive image of him.

The problem with GM is he has never got out of the denial / anger stages. Posting up Daily Telegraph content he only half understands is just feeding that.

He's a long long way from the acceptance stage, bless him 🙏 

[Guided Missile]

17 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

”Its share of global GDP will drop to 14.6pc this year. It is losing roughly one percentage point every three years.”

It is not dropping at all, it is actually growing. Such figures are used by the unscrupulous to reign in dummies that think they mean something that they don’t mean but like what they read and don’t have the wit or wisdom to examine them more closely

Like I said, you don't even read what you post and accuse me of ignorance. You have let this forum down, but most of all, you've let yourself down. Now go and put your teeth in and reflect on your behaviour. I expect a full apology or I'll put you on ignore. You've been warned.

Edited 1 April, 2023 by Guided Missile

[badgerx16]

18 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

Like I said, you don't even read what you post and accuse me of ignorance. You have let this forum down, but most of all, you've let yourself down. Now go and put your teeth in and reflect on your behaviour. I expect a full apology or I'll put you on ignore. You've been warned.

Come on Whitey, join the Cool Kids.

[badgerx16]

18 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

Like I said, you don't even read what you post and accuse me of ignorance.

You don't even understand what you post, and therefore you are ignorant.

[Guided Missile]

...and like clockwork, my stalker pops up. I don't know what you posted, badger, but I bet it was as boring as fuck. 

[badgerx16]

6 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

...and like clockwork, my stalker pops up. I don't know what you posted, badger, but I bet it was as boring as fuck. 

I'll let the wider forum audience decide on the quality of my posts, but if looking for examples of "boring as fuck" I would suggest looking no further than your insipid, inane, drivel.

I tend to view the use of the Ignore function as a sign that a poster has lost the argument, or is at least extremely uncertain as to the strength and veracity of their position.

Edited 1 April, 2023 by badgerx16

[CB Fry]

36 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

I expect a full apology or I'll put you on ignore. You've been warned.

Hahahahahahahaha what a twat

[Winnersaint]

5 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

GDP is also not the best indicator of living standards - take North Korea or Russia for example who plough huge chunks of their GDP into weapons / research and bribes / corruption and don't invest in public services or feed their people!

Yes its a very crude metric for living standards. Obviously per capita it is a better indicator but as with all central tendency calculations it has its drawbacks. Development data tends towards HDI which again is an average with health measured by life expectancy, education by the expected years of schooling on entry alongside GDP per capita. Pretty standard fare for Year 11 Geography lessons. 

Hope some prick doesn't pop upon here to tell me I'm not qualified to teach about this after 40 odd years in secondary geography education, as they did when I happened to mention in a post some while back about teaching a balanced view of climate change. I'll leave it you to guess who it was 

[Tamesaint]

6 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

Like I said, you don't even read what you post and accuse me of ignorance. You have let this forum down, but most of all, you've let yourself down. Now go and put your teeth in and reflect on your behaviour. I expect a full apology or I'll put you on ignore. You've been warned.

You have been warned Whitey. You have been warned !!

Bet you won't be able to sleep tonight in fear 😀😀😀

 

[The Left Back]

I see there is a large gathering taking place in Dover.  A 14 hour drive-in party to celebrate Brexit. 

[Warriorsaint]

On 31/03/2023 at 10:59, Guided Missile said:

I can just feel the Remainer tears hitting their keyboards. 😭

Just breezed through passport control in Faro with my European passport. I could actually see Brexit tears 😭 well done turkeys.

[Weston Super Saint]

10 hours ago, Warriorsaint said:

Just breezed through passport control in Faro with my European passport. I could actually see Brexit tears 😭 well done turkeys.

It's a pyrrhic victory when the first thing you do after "breezing through passport control" in a foreign country is post about it on a mong board.

You're on holiday, enjoy yourself, don't worry about petty one upmanship.

[saint1977]

14 hours ago, The Left Back said:

I see there is a large gathering taking place in Dover.  A 14 hour drive-in party to celebrate Brexit. 

Braverman - it’s the transport and ferry companies fault, so be patient

Simon Calder (leading commentator and expert on travel) - processing times have increased sharply since Brexit

I know who I believe and who is lying. Suella now being skewered by Kuenssberg on whether it’s safe for asylum seekers to protest again conditions in Rwanda and she’s it is absolutely safe. Made to look a clown by the 2018 case of Congo refugees shot dead there reported by UNHCR.

Get this buffoon out of frontline politics and off my TV screen. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-65136202

[Tamesaint]

2 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

It's a pyrrhic victory when the first thing you do after "breezing through passport control" in a foreign country is post about it on a mong board.

You're on holiday, enjoy yourself, don't worry about petty one upmanship.

Please sir. Can you please tell me what I should be doing on my holiday.

Quite the little Hitler aren't you? I bet that Adolf never bossed people about on their holiday.The next thing you will be doing is invading Poland.