Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[Whitey Grandad]

5 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

• Still, feel free to wring your hands for a few more years until everyone gets fed up with listening to losers. We're never going to re-join, so make the best of it, or feel free to fuck off to a better place.

We can’t can we because you and your lot took away our freedom of movement.

[skintsaint]

2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

We can’t can we because you and your lot took away our freedom of movement.

Well you can but just need a Visa now I believe? 😅

[Guided Missile]

7 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

We can’t can we because you and your lot took away our freedom of movement.

Mr. Cut and Paste is happy to help:

1. Australia

Australia is an excellent option for Brits looking to move- it has sunny beaches, friendly people, it’s a majority English-speaking country so you won’t face a language barrier, and best of all, it’s a commonwealth country so the moving and visa process should be quite simple.

Australia is also a very popular option for UK ex-pats, so you’ll be likely to run into some of your own countrymen while living down under. The whole country is gorgeous, but if you’re looking to work, a major city like Sydney or Melbourne is probably your best bet. If you’re retiring or looking to live a more relaxed life there, take your pick of any of the numerous beachside locations across Australia!

One warning, though- as most know Australia is full of creepy crawlies like spiders, snakes, and sharks. Be sure to do your research and be safe while living there- make some local friends so you can learn all the best tricks.

2. Canada

While it doesn’t boast the numerous tropical beaches that Australia has, Canada offers many similar benefits to UK ex-pats- the people are notoriously friendly, it’s a majority English-speaking country (except for Quebec, of course), and it’s also a commonwealth country which will make your journey so much easier.

What Canada lacks in sunny beaches, it makes up for in its own kind of natural beauty. From the gorgeous Maritime provinces on the east coast to great lakes and vast plains, the rocky mountains, and the world-renowned pacific northwest coast, if you’re outdoorsy, Canada is a dream come true. There are of course also urban hubs like Toronto and Vancouver for those who want the city life, so either way, you’ll never be short of adventures!

3. Spain

While Canada and Australia are beautiful, culturally similar options for those who want to move out of the UK, they are both physically quite far away. If you want to stay a little closer to your friends and family back home, moving to Spain is an excellent way to move abroad while staying on the European continent.

Spain has beautiful beaches, great healthcare benefits, and an enviable work-life balance. You’ll love the siesta culture and relatively lower cost of living. However, while many people speak English, Spain’s main language is, of course, Spanish. For those wanting to work and/or really integrate with the culture, signing up for some language courses and practising as much as possible is a great idea.

With Brexit, it will be trickier to move to Spain or any other EU country than it was previously, but the process still shouldn’t be too difficult.

4. New Zealand

For those who like the idea of Australia but aren’t quite sure about the heat and scary animals, New Zealand is an excellent alternative. Don’t be fooled, New Zealand also has an enviable climate, it just isn’t quite as extreme as Australia.

Much like Canada, New Zealand is amazing for those who love outdoor adventures, but it has the relaxed Aussie lifestyle and is an extremely safe country. A win-win-win!

As a commonwealth and English-speaking country, the moving process should be relatively easy. The most popular city for ex-pats is Auckland, where you’ll find a great balance of fun adventures and work opportunities.

5. France

Since France and the UK are practically next-door neighbours, separated only by a little strip of the Atlantic Ocean, France is the perfect spot for Brits who want to experience a new culture and location without ever being more than a few hours away from home, especially if you settle down in the capital city of Paris. The cost of living varies depending on where you live but is relatively similar or even slightly lower than in the UK.

The French lifestyle has a notoriously wonderful work-life balance, amazing food, and a rich culture and history. Much like Spain, though, there are two things to consider- one, that the moving process will be slightly more complicated post-Brexit, and two, French is the main language of France, and French people are very passionate about their language. Learning it will be key to fully integrating yourself and getting the full experience.

6. USA

Like many people from various countries around the world, moving to the USA for the American Dream is always a popular option for UK ex-pats.

With numerous incredible cities and landscapes to choose from, the USA is your oyster. While there are also many different languages spoken, especially depending on which region you choose to settle down in, everywhere in the USA is very English-friendly so you’ll have no worries when it comes to working or daily life.

However, the cost of living also varies greatly depending on where you live, and the USA is relatively strict with immigration- however, if you do your research and act accordingly, you should be just fine.

7. Belize

Though located quite far from the UK in Central America, Belize is a beautiful and extremely easy country to move to. You can become a permanent resident after just one year of living there, and a citizen just five years after that. You can also buy property at any time and enjoy the same property rights as the nationals.

Beyond the ease of moving, Belize has a gorgeous tropical climate, a relaxed way of life, and actually has English as its first language (whereas most Central and South American countries speak primarily Spanish or Portuguese). If you want a beautiful beachy lifestyle with a low cost of living, you should consider moving to Belize- it is a particularly good option for those looking to retire and/or live a more laid-back lifestyle.

8. Singapore

Singapore is a beautiful, clean, and unique country in Asia that has a huge ex-pat population. Singapore has one of the best standards of living in the entire world, though that also comes with a relatively high cost of living.

While you will need to dot some t’s and cross some i’s to get your initial visa to stay in Singapore, you can become a permanent resident after just 6 months with a working visa and become a citizen 2 years after you gain permanent resident status.

Singapore is a great option for those wanting to live and/or work in a modern and beautiful country that has the future front of mind with its immense eco-friendly technology.

9. UAE – Dubai

For Brits who love modernity and the urban lifestyle, the United Arab Emirates (UAE), specifically its most populous city Dubai is a great option. Much like Singapore, Dubai has a huge multi-national ex-pat population, so you’ll be exposed to an incredible number of people and cultures.

With that said, while you can live and work in English in Dubai, the culture is predominantly Arabian and the official language is Arabic. Islam is also the official religion, and Muslim practices have a large impact on the culture and lifestyle of both Dubai and the country as a whole.

Dubai is also a big-spenders dream, so if you’re looking for fast cars and a luxury lifestyle, look no further, but be prepared to pay the high price for it. Though, to compensate for the high cost of living, as a worker in Dubai you can enjoy not having to pay any income tax on your earnings.

10. Italy

Last but not least, bringing it back to Europe, Italy is also an excellent country for Brits to move to. With world-renowned food, culture, and work-life balance, you’re sure to live the good life in Italy.

Depending on what you prefer, Northern Italy is excellent for those looking to work or live a more fast-paced urban lifestyle, whereas in Southern Italy you can enjoy the typical relaxed Mediterranean lifestyle.

If you need to work though, your safest bet is to try and find a job before you move as the country is facing relatively high unemployment rates- you don’t want to move your whole life and end up not finding the job you need to stay.

Additionally, while most people in major cities will be able to speak English, it’s important to learn Italian, the main language in Italy, so that you can properly work and enjoy life like a local.

Overall, if you’re looking to move out of the UK, you have tons of amazing countries to choose from. Based on your reason for moving and desired lifestyle, you just have to select the country that suits you best, and then all that’s left is the hard work of packing and storing your possessions.

* Source here

So, Whitey, let me know when you and any of your moaning ilk are leaving and I'll be happy to come and wave you goodbyee.

[Tamesaint]

Any news about Deutsche Bank's administration??

 

[Sheaf Saint]

12 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

We're never going to re-join, so make the best of it, or feel free to fuck off to a better place.

Hold on... the whole fucking point of Brexit, according to every person who campaigned and voted for it, was supposed to be to make Britain 'a better place'. So are you now admitting that it hasn't? 

Also, if everyone who is unhappy at the situation took your suggestion to fuck off and live elsewhere, and with Braverman in the home office trying to reduce immigration to near zero, what impact do you think that would have on the UK's economy? 

[badgerx16]

46 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

 

Also, if everyone who is unhappy at the situation took your suggestion to fuck off and live elsewhere, and with Braverman in the home office trying to reduce immigration to near zero, what impact do you think that would have on the UK's economy? 

Can you imagine a country populated entirely by Farages, GMs, Mosins, and Duckhunters ?

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

Mr. Cut and Paste is happy to help:

1. Australia

Australia is an excellent option for Brits looking to move- it has sunny beaches, friendly people, it’s a majority English-speaking country so you won’t face a language barrier, and best of all, it’s a commonwealth country so the moving and visa process should be quite simple.

Australia is also a very popular option for UK ex-pats, so you’ll be likely to run into some of your own countrymen while living down under. The whole country is gorgeous, but if you’re looking to work, a major city like Sydney or Melbourne is probably your best bet. If you’re retiring or looking to live a more relaxed life there, take your pick of any of the numerous beachside locations across Australia!

One warning, though- as most know Australia is full of creepy crawlies like spiders, snakes, and sharks. Be sure to do your research and be safe while living there- make some local friends so you can learn all the best tricks.

2. Canada

While it doesn’t boast the numerous tropical beaches that Australia has, Canada offers many similar benefits to UK ex-pats- the people are notoriously friendly, it’s a majority English-speaking country (except for Quebec, of course), and it’s also a commonwealth country which will make your journey so much easier.

What Canada lacks in sunny beaches, it makes up for in its own kind of natural beauty. From the gorgeous Maritime provinces on the east coast to great lakes and vast plains, the rocky mountains, and the world-renowned pacific northwest coast, if you’re outdoorsy, Canada is a dream come true. There are of course also urban hubs like Toronto and Vancouver for those who want the city life, so either way, you’ll never be short of adventures!

3. Spain

While Canada and Australia are beautiful, culturally similar options for those who want to move out of the UK, they are both physically quite far away. If you want to stay a little closer to your friends and family back home, moving to Spain is an excellent way to move abroad while staying on the European continent.

Spain has beautiful beaches, great healthcare benefits, and an enviable work-life balance. You’ll love the siesta culture and relatively lower cost of living. However, while many people speak English, Spain’s main language is, of course, Spanish. For those wanting to work and/or really integrate with the culture, signing up for some language courses and practising as much as possible is a great idea.

With Brexit, it will be trickier to move to Spain or any other EU country than it was previously, but the process still shouldn’t be too difficult.

4. New Zealand

For those who like the idea of Australia but aren’t quite sure about the heat and scary animals, New Zealand is an excellent alternative. Don’t be fooled, New Zealand also has an enviable climate, it just isn’t quite as extreme as Australia.

Much like Canada, New Zealand is amazing for those who love outdoor adventures, but it has the relaxed Aussie lifestyle and is an extremely safe country. A win-win-win!

As a commonwealth and English-speaking country, the moving process should be relatively easy. The most popular city for ex-pats is Auckland, where you’ll find a great balance of fun adventures and work opportunities.

5. France

Since France and the UK are practically next-door neighbours, separated only by a little strip of the Atlantic Ocean, France is the perfect spot for Brits who want to experience a new culture and location without ever being more than a few hours away from home, especially if you settle down in the capital city of Paris. The cost of living varies depending on where you live but is relatively similar or even slightly lower than in the UK.

The French lifestyle has a notoriously wonderful work-life balance, amazing food, and a rich culture and history. Much like Spain, though, there are two things to consider- one, that the moving process will be slightly more complicated post-Brexit, and two, French is the main language of France, and French people are very passionate about their language. Learning it will be key to fully integrating yourself and getting the full experience.

6. USA

Like many people from various countries around the world, moving to the USA for the American Dream is always a popular option for UK ex-pats.

With numerous incredible cities and landscapes to choose from, the USA is your oyster. While there are also many different languages spoken, especially depending on which region you choose to settle down in, everywhere in the USA is very English-friendly so you’ll have no worries when it comes to working or daily life.

However, the cost of living also varies greatly depending on where you live, and the USA is relatively strict with immigration- however, if you do your research and act accordingly, you should be just fine.

7. Belize

Though located quite far from the UK in Central America, Belize is a beautiful and extremely easy country to move to. You can become a permanent resident after just one year of living there, and a citizen just five years after that. You can also buy property at any time and enjoy the same property rights as the nationals.

Beyond the ease of moving, Belize has a gorgeous tropical climate, a relaxed way of life, and actually has English as its first language (whereas most Central and South American countries speak primarily Spanish or Portuguese). If you want a beautiful beachy lifestyle with a low cost of living, you should consider moving to Belize- it is a particularly good option for those looking to retire and/or live a more laid-back lifestyle.

8. Singapore

Singapore is a beautiful, clean, and unique country in Asia that has a huge ex-pat population. Singapore has one of the best standards of living in the entire world, though that also comes with a relatively high cost of living.

While you will need to dot some t’s and cross some i’s to get your initial visa to stay in Singapore, you can become a permanent resident after just 6 months with a working visa and become a citizen 2 years after you gain permanent resident status.

Singapore is a great option for those wanting to live and/or work in a modern and beautiful country that has the future front of mind with its immense eco-friendly technology.

9. UAE – Dubai

For Brits who love modernity and the urban lifestyle, the United Arab Emirates (UAE), specifically its most populous city Dubai is a great option. Much like Singapore, Dubai has a huge multi-national ex-pat population, so you’ll be exposed to an incredible number of people and cultures.

With that said, while you can live and work in English in Dubai, the culture is predominantly Arabian and the official language is Arabic. Islam is also the official religion, and Muslim practices have a large impact on the culture and lifestyle of both Dubai and the country as a whole.

Dubai is also a big-spenders dream, so if you’re looking for fast cars and a luxury lifestyle, look no further, but be prepared to pay the high price for it. Though, to compensate for the high cost of living, as a worker in Dubai you can enjoy not having to pay any income tax on your earnings.

10. Italy

Last but not least, bringing it back to Europe, Italy is also an excellent country for Brits to move to. With world-renowned food, culture, and work-life balance, you’re sure to live the good life in Italy.

Depending on what you prefer, Northern Italy is excellent for those looking to work or live a more fast-paced urban lifestyle, whereas in Southern Italy you can enjoy the typical relaxed Mediterranean lifestyle.

If you need to work though, your safest bet is to try and find a job before you move as the country is facing relatively high unemployment rates- you don’t want to move your whole life and end up not finding the job you need to stay.

Additionally, while most people in major cities will be able to speak English, it’s important to learn Italian, the main language in Italy, so that you can properly work and enjoy life like a local.

Overall, if you’re looking to move out of the UK, you have tons of amazing countries to choose from. Based on your reason for moving and desired lifestyle, you just have to select the country that suits you best, and then all that’s left is the hard work of packing and storing your possessions.

* Source here

So, Whitey, let me know when you and any of your moaning ilk are leaving and I'll be happy to come and wave you goodbyee.

Don’t be such a prick.

You haven’t got a clue as to what is involved and in most cases emigrating is either impossible or impractical.

I’ve been to all these countries apart from Belize.

[badgerx16]

11 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Don’t be such a prick.

You haven’t got a clue as to what is involved and in most cases emigrating is either impossible or impractical.

 

GM's default position on every topic.

[Guided Missile]

3 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Don’t be such a prick.

You haven’t got a clue as to what is involved and in most cases emigrating is either impossible or impractical.

I’ve been to all these countries apart from Belize.

I emigrated from this country just after Labour went cap in hand to the IMF, so don't think you know me. Emigrating is easy, despite Brexit, especially if you hate the UK and it's democratic decision to leave the EU.

I don't mind the insult, BTW. More annoyed that it is too much trouble for you to leave the country. Just one more moaner to put up with, while the rest of us just get on with things.

[badgerx16]

54 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

I emigrated from this country just after Labour went cap in hand to the IMF, so don't think you know me. Emigrating is easy, despite Brexit, especially if you hate the UK and it's democratic decision to leave the EU.

I don't mind the insult, BTW. More annoyed that it is too much trouble for you to leave the country. Just one more moaner to put up with, while the rest of us just get on with things.

There is a reason why you are probably the most disliked poster on the forum.

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

More annoyed that it is too much trouble for you to leave the country. Just one more moaner to put up with, while the rest of us just get on with things.

There is a striking difference between the way Remainers behave when we’re outside the EU to how Leavers reacted when the roles were reversed. They set up parties & contested elections, they persuaded people of their argument, they worked all hours under the sun to achieve their goal. What do remainers do, cry on twitter? 
 

Nigel stood in election after election, kept going and persevered, what did “Change UK” do? Threw the towel in after 1 go. Soubry could have been remains Nigel, instead she fucked off to post some gin soaked twitter posts. You’ve got a rabid remainer in charge of the Labour Party but he’s too frightened to make the case for rejoining, you’ve got remainers constantly banging on about the “disaster” of Brexit but all they want to do is whinge on the sidelines. Thank god we had Nigel and others on our side, people of action who were prepared to get their hands dirty, put the hours in and fight for what they believed in. These entitled chumps seem to think they don’t need to, and we’ll magically rejoin without breaking sweat. 
 

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

I emigrated from this country just after Labour went cap in hand to the IMF, so don't think you know me. Emigrating is easy, despite Brexit, especially if you hate the UK and it's democratic decision to leave the EU.

I don't mind the insult, BTW. More annoyed that it is too much trouble for you to leave the country. Just one more moaner to put up with, while the rest of us just get on with things.

It's a differentworld these days. In the early 1980s I worked a lot in Canada but they started to tighten up around 1985. Don't even think about Australia unless yu have something they want.

[CB Fry]

5 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

There is a striking difference between the way Remainers behave when we’re outside the EU to how Leavers reacted when the roles were reversed. They set up parties & contested elections, they persuaded people of their argument, they worked all hours under the sun to achieve their goal. What do remainers do, cry on twitter? 
 

Nigel stood in election after election, kept going and persevered, what did “Change UK” do? Threw the towel in after 1 go. Soubry could have been remains Nigel, instead she fucked off to post some gin soaked twitter posts. You’ve got a rabid remainer in charge of the Labour Party but he’s too frightened to make the case for rejoining, you’ve got remainers constantly banging on about the “disaster” of Brexit but all they want to do is whinge on the sidelines. Thank god we had Nigel and others on our side, people of action who were prepared to get their hands dirty, put the hours in and fight for what they believed in. These entitled chumps seem to think they don’t need to, and we’ll magically rejoin without breaking sweat. 
 

Absolute horseshit. But as expected.

We've been out for a couple of years proper.

It took Nigel's cause thirty plus years to achieve their objective but you are judging the remain movement on a handful of years in the middle of Covid.

On another day you'd be on her moaning about how the bitter remainers did everything they could to slow/stop Brexit but todays argument is they rolled over and gave up at the first time of asking. I must have slept through 2016-9 but crack on with your bullshit strawman arguments.

There was a decent sized march through London last weekend. To be honest right now I happen to think that kind of stuff is pretty futile but hardly people "not breaking sweat".

What leave had on their side was 30 years of national newspapers pumping anti Europe guff into the debate. The door was hugely open without Farage doing much.

"Anna Soubry could have been Remain's Farage" - fucking hell you dopey old cunt. Stick to the "snapdragon down the alehouse" made up character routine.

[Whitey Grandad]

12 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

There is a striking difference between the way Remainers behave when we’re outside the EU to how Leavers reacted when the roles were reversed. They set up parties & contested elections, they persuaded people of their argument, they worked all hours under the sun to achieve their goal. What do remainers do, cry on twitter? 
 

Nigel stood in election after election, kept going and persevered, what did “Change UK” do? Threw the towel in after 1 go. Soubry could have been remains Nigel, instead she fucked off to post some gin soaked twitter posts. You’ve got a rabid remainer in charge of the Labour Party but he’s too frightened to make the case for rejoining, you’ve got remainers constantly banging on about the “disaster” of Brexit but all they want to do is whinge on the sidelines. Thank god we had Nigel and others on our side, people of action who were prepared to get their hands dirty, put the hours in and fight for what they believed in. These entitled chumps seem to think they don’t need to, and we’ll magically rejoin without breaking sweat. 
 

Whilst we were in the EU the Leavers were benefiting from all the economic advantages that we had. Now that we've left we are all suffering with no hope of redress in the immediate future.

Farage has only ever been interested in making himself filthy rich.

[revolution saint]

2 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

I emigrated from this country just after Labour went cap in hand to the IMF, so don't think you know me. Emigrating is easy, despite Brexit, especially if you hate the UK and it's democratic decision to leave the EU.

I don't mind the insult, BTW. More annoyed that it is too much trouble for you to leave the country. Just one more moaner to put up with, while the rest of us just get on with things.

If you've already emigrated how can you wave whitey off?  In fact, what the fuck has our country got to do with you?  Bloody foreigners ruining our forums.  I'd ship you off to Rwanda if you ever step foot in this country again.

[badgerx16]

Reversing Brexit is not simply a case of reversing a switch. The rules on new members are prohibitive to our attempting to regain our previous rebates, vetoes, and concessions, and as a result of the friction caused by Brexit the EU27 are not particularly well disposed to us in any case. You might as well suggest refloating the Titanic, ( and I think the analogy is actually quite appropriate ).

Edited 27 October, 2022 by badgerx16

[badgerx16]

6 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

If you've already emigrated how can you wave whitey off?  In fact, what the fuck has our country got to do with you?  Bloody foreigners ruining our forums.  I'd ship you off to Rwanda if you ever step foot in this country again.

I think he came back. Not surprising, nowhere with the choice would tolerate him indefinitely.

[whelk]

Put paid to my Tuscan retirement the thick cunts although still a few years off so time to rethink. Guess could get a decent pad in Rwanda and decent weather. Notorious shit network connections in Africa though so couldn’t go if cannot stream Saints games

 

 

[revolution saint]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

I think he came back. Not surprising, nowhere with the choice would tolerate him indefinitely.

Ah, one of those that come back for the NHS because it turns out the new world ain't so great if you're old.  Yeah, figures.  

[skintsaint]

25 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Don't even think about Australia unless yu have something they want.

There are some random jobs they are crying out for though :

Kennel Hands

Apparel Cutters

Golfers

Librarians

Pet Groomers

[whelk]

27 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

There are some random jobs they are crying out for though :

Kennel Hands

Apparel Cutters

Golfers

Librarians

Pet Groomers

Too many snakes, spiders and fuckers saying G’day

[aintforever]

8 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

There is a striking difference between the way Remainers behave when we’re outside the EU to how Leavers reacted when the roles were reversed. They set up parties

 

What, like this one: https://therejoineuparty.com ?

Twat

[moonraker]

Despite all the drivel from Duckie and GM they are still unable to identify a single benefit from BREXIT.  Taking back control does not count.

[benjii]

14 hours ago, whelk said:

Put paid to my Tuscan retirement the thick cunts although still a few years off so time to rethink. Guess could get a decent pad in Rwanda and decent weather. Notorious shit network connections in Africa though so couldn’t go if cannot stream Saints games

 

 

Internet in Kigali is fine. It's a cool city. And no need to stream as all the matches will be on TV. If you're planning a Rwandan countryside pad, then maybe think again.

[Lord Duckhunter]

23 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Reversing Brexit is not simply a case of reversing a switch. The rules on new members are prohibitive to our attempting to regain our previous rebates, vetoes, and concessions,

Which is why it was so important that Boris got us out. The debate now is not between being “In” as was, or out. But bring “In” with the euro, Schengen, no rebate & ever closer union,or out. As a “rules based” organisation, it’s probably best to assume the previous deal is gone forever.
 

Perhaps people like John Major, William Hague, Cameron & other senior remainers should have stopped pretending they were Euro sceptical for career enhancement and sold the project to the British people. If I was in your side they’re the ones I’d blame, not thick voters or Sir Nigel……

[buctootim]

On 27/10/2022 at 14:20, whelk said:

Put paid to my Tuscan retirement the thick cunts although still a few years off so time to rethink. Guess could get a decent pad in Rwanda and decent weather. Notorious shit network connections in Africa though so couldn’t go if cannot stream Saints games

 

 

Im seriously thinking about Ukraine. Kyiv and Lviv are genuinely nice cities with all mod cons and dirt cheap.  

Edited 28 October, 2022 by buctootim

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Which is why it was so important that Boris got us out. The debate now is not between being “In” as was, or out. But bring “In” with the euro, Schengen, no rebate & ever closer union,or out. As a “rules based” organisation, it’s probably best to assume the previous deal is gone forever.
 

Perhaps people like John Major, William Hague, Cameron & other senior remainers should have stopped pretending they were Euro sceptical for career enhancement and sold the project to the British people. If I was in your side they’re the ones I’d blame, not thick voters or Sir Nigel……

Regardless of the in/out discussion, where is the evidence that the UK is substantively and demonstrably better off after Brexit ? The Government is effectively the one that took over directly after the referendum, so has had 6 years, notwithstanding COVID, to build on and deliver the promises that Leave.EU made.

Has the NHS yet been delivered of the mythical £350m per week ?

How is the "oven ready" trade agreement doing ?

Where is the trade deal with the US ?

( Just 3 of the minor issues - obviously the major points of no longer having the EU stars on car number plates, and not having the European Union mentioned on UK passports have been achieved ).

[moonraker]

6 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Which is why it was so important that Boris got us out. The debate now is not between being “In” as was, or out. But bring “In” with the euro, Schengen, no rebate & ever closer union,or out. As a “rules based” organisation, it’s probably best to assume the previous deal is gone forever.
 

Perhaps people like John Major, William Hague, Cameron & other senior remainers should have stopped pretending they were Euro sceptical for career enhancement and sold the project to the British people. If I was in your side they’re the ones I’d blame, not thick voters or Sir Nigel……

Bring on the euro, Schengen and all the other benefits of the EU that our cowardly politicians of the past failed to embrace for fear of upsetting the muppets in the ERG, the right wing press and the traitor in chief Farage.  Not to mention the thick red meat eating, mail reading gamonati that either vote for them and purchase their chip wrappers full of lies.

Edited 28 October, 2022 by moonraker

[Tamesaint]

14 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Regardless of the in/out discussion, where is the evidence that the UK is substantively and demonstrably better off after Brexit ? The Government is effectively the one that took over directly after the referendum, so has had 6 years, notwithstanding COVID, to build on and deliver the promises that Leave.EU made.

Has the NHS yet been delivered of the mythical £350m per week ?

How is the "oven ready" trade agreement doing ?

Where is the trade deal with the US ?

( Just 3 of the minor issues - obviously the major points of no longer having the EU stars on car number plates, and not having the European Union mentioned on UK passports have been achieved ).

Wait for Duckie and co to go quiet on this thread when this question is asked.

There are no benefits but they are not yet man enough to admit this. 

[spyinthesky]

Most of the people I knew that voted leave were concerned about workers coming in from Poland and elsewhere in Eastern Europe taking jobs in the UK (which in the real world most UK workers weren't interested in) as well as the threat of mass migration from Turkey when their membership was confirmed
Leaving the EU has really helped in that regard!!!!!!
There were others taken in by the NHS sign on the side of the bus and a few were sympathetic to Boris's claim that EU rules would force us to eat straight bananas.

[saint1977]

On 26/10/2022 at 23:05, tajjuk said:

We will re-join eventually because its makes sense and will improve the economy, anyone not a completely biased Brexiteer knows that.

But quite simply name a tangible Brexit dividend and clear benefit for the country, yet to see anyone actually name one. 

Can’t see us joining the full EU again politically and the deal would be a lot less favourable than we had. Rejoining the Single Market however is an obvious economic boost, helps reduce carbon emissions and most of the leave campaign were even saying we didn’t need to leave the SM, even Banks and Farage. We can’t run the NHS, our hospitality industry, build the houses needed without flows of migrant workers, most of which we know don’t stay but some will eg nurses and have strong public support to do so. The stupid net migration target crap needs forever binning, we have an ageing population FFS. 

[tajjuk]

4 hours ago, Tamesaint said:

Wait for Duckie and co to go quiet on this thread when this question is asked.

There are no benefits but they are not yet man enough to admit this. 

Of course there are no benefits, which is why the Government's paper on Brexit benefits the headline item was crown stamps on pint glasses (which we could have had anyway). 

The other one they harped on about was pint size Champagne bottles, which is hilarious on so many levels, not only are Champagne makers not going to make special size bottles for one market, but as if Champagne bottle size is an important issue for the masses. 

1 hour ago, saint1977 said:

Can’t see us joining the full EU again politically and the deal would be a lot less favourable than we had. Rejoining the Single Market however is an obvious economic boost, helps reduce carbon emissions and most of the leave campaign were even saying we didn’t need to leave the SM, even Banks and Farage. We can’t run the NHS, our hospitality industry, build the houses needed without flows of migrant workers, most of which we know don’t stay but some will eg nurses and have strong public support to do so. The stupid net migration target crap needs forever binning, we have an ageing population FFS. 

I think we will re-join fully, but SM joining will happen first. Personally I think it's inevitable, the disaster it has been reveals itself more and more, the Brexiteers have had COVID and Ukraine to keep excusing the mess but those excuses are becoming old and many who voted leave are waking up. No Brexit benefits have been found, even Brexit supporting newspapers are reporting Brexit damage now. 

It has literally given us nothing.

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I also resent the suggestion that because a bunch of morons have ruined the country with their ignorant vote and ignorant plans that I should apparently move to a different country if I don't like it, such utter nonsense. 

Though when we do start integrating back into the EU, I fully invite those remaining hard core Brexiteers to leave the country, we'd all be a lot better of. 

[buctootim]

3 hours ago, saint1977 said:

Can’t see us joining the full EU again politically and the deal would be a lot less favourable than we had. Rejoining the Single Market however is an obvious economic boost, helps reduce carbon emissions and most of the leave campaign were even saying we didn’t need to leave the SM, even Banks and Farage. We can’t run the NHS, our hospitality industry, build the houses needed without flows of migrant workers, most of which we know don’t stay but some will eg nurses and have strong public support to do so. The stupid net migration target crap needs forever binning, we have an ageing population FFS. 

Im conflicted on the single market. I do think reliance on importing both skilled and unskilled labour has solved short term problems at the expense of creating and perpetuating long term ones. 

I'd love to see a proper rigorous analysis of costs and benefits of restricting both skilled and unskilled immigration. Does it create a labour shortage which will drive up average wages, force Britian to train more of its own population rather than importing skills (eg increasing number of doctor and nurse training places) and create a higher wage economy? Or does drive up the cost of providing public services which in turn means higher taxes and all the wealth leaves the country?      

 

[Guided Missile]

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Eurozone inflation has surged past expectations to hit a new record high, piling more pressure on the ECB to raise interest rates. Consumer price growth across the bloc surged to 10.7pc in October, a jump from 9.9pc a month earlier. Almost half the countries have higher inflation than the UK. Energy prices continue to drive inflation higher after Russia slashed gas supplies to the continent, but food and imported industrial goods also pushed up prices.

The figures will reignite calls for the ECB to act aggressively to bring down inflation. The central bank has increased rates by a combined 200 basis points in the last three months, but has promised further action as soon as December. Meanwhile, GDP growth slowed to 0.2pc in three months to September – from 0.8pc in the second quarter. Higher prices and a bleak winter energy crisis mean the bloc could be heading for a recession.

 

So much for the advantages of staying in the EU. Anything to say, ladies?

[Lord Duckhunter]

On 28/10/2022 at 20:30, moonraker said:

Bring on the euro, Schengen and all the other benefits of the EU that our cowardly politicians of the past failed to embrace for fear of upsetting the muppets in the ERG, the right wing press and the traitor in chief Farage.  Not to mention the thick red meat eating, mail reading gamonati that either vote for them and purchase their chip wrappers full of lies.

What a load of old pony. They didn’t want to sell the  benefits of The Euro, Schengen or ever closer union to the people  because of some right wing backlash, they didn’t do it because they knew there was no fucking chance the Great British public would accept them. Forget about 48/52 it would have been a landslide had the remain proposal contained joining the euro.
 

You’re deluded if you think it’s just right wingers holding back full integration. There’s not a hope in hell we’ll give up £, you’ve more chance of going to the moon in a shoe box. 

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

So much for the advantages of staying in the EU. Anything to say, ladies?

As we were never in the Eurozone it is an irrelevant statistic.

Do you have any comment on the UK rate not being far behind, ( or being higher depending on which measure you use ) ?

[whelk]

 

[buctootim]

4 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

So much for the advantages of staying in the EU. Anything to say, ladies?

Sure 

[revolution saint]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

 

Interesting stat although for context that's just under 23% of current MPs and Lords so I suppose if they're predominately remainers then there's not much hypocrisy.  Private Eye seems to think Rees-Mogg holds an Irish passport but can't find anything to back that up.

[badgerx16]

21 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Interesting stat although for context that's just under 23% of current MPs and Lords so I suppose if they're predominately remainers then there's not much hypocrisy.  Private Eye seems to think Rees-Mogg holds an Irish passport but can't find anything to back that up.

He moved a large chunk of his investment business to Ireland before Brexit was finalised.

[revolution saint]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

He moved a large chunk of his investment business to Ireland before Brexit was finalised.

Yes, apparently because of the uncertainty around Brexit.  Does anyone take JRM seriously?  He's like the court jester of the HoC.

[Tamesaint]

5 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

As we were never in the Eurozone it is an irrelevant statistic.

Do you have any comment on the UK rate not being far behind, ( or being higher depending on which measure you use ) ?

Of course he won't comment. It's lights out now in the institution where he lives. He did very well to get the nurses sufficiently distracted to post in the first place.

[Tamesaint]

5 hours ago, whelk said:

 

Who would have believed it? Advocates of Brexit avoiding it's consequences. Eg Nigel Lawson living in France. Old Frog face having a German wife etc etc

[Guided Missile]

9 hours ago, Tamesaint said:

Of course he won't comment. It's lights out now in the institution where he lives. He did very well to get the nurses sufficiently distracted to post in the first place.

Class act, mate. You're on ignore because of the insults your underdeveloped brain spouts, typified by the above comment, together with badger 16 who trolls me incessantly, when he's not on his bike bothering motorists. I made the mistake of looking at your post, confirmed what a good decision I made, but for your information and other hapless fools on this thread, a recent article in the Times may explain my post:

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The EU’s membership terms are very clear: “All EU member states, except Denmark, are required to adopt the euro and join the euro area.” Speaking to The Times, a senior source was equally unambiguous: “No euro, no membership.” EU member states are understood to have become more ardently opposed to new applicants who reject the single currency since the 2016 Brexit vote.

So, back on ignore for you and read my last reply carefully. You may learn something from your betters and elders.

[CB Fry]

24 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

Class act, mate. You're on ignore because of the insults your underdeveloped brain spouts, typified by the above comment, together with badger 16 who trolls me incessantly, when he's not on his bike bothering motorists. I made the mistake of looking at your post, confirmed what a good decision I made, but for your information and other hapless fools on this thread, a recent article in the Times may explain my post:

So, back on ignore for you and read my last reply carefully. You may learn something from your betters and elders.

Except the reply "we were never in the Euro zone so this is irrelevant" was not "trolling" or an "insult" you delicate little flower, it's just a fact.

We were never in the Eurozone, it doesn't matter what you cut and paste.

Not then, not at the point of Brexit, not ever.

Try and learn something from your betters.

[Tamesaint]

30 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

Class act, mate. You're on ignore because of the insults your underdeveloped brain spouts, typified by the above comment, together with badger 16 who trolls me incessantly, when he's not on his bike bothering motorists. I made the mistake of looking at your post, confirmed what a good decision I made, but for your information and other hapless fools on this thread, a recent article in the Times may explain my post:

So, back on ignore for you and read my last reply carefully. You may learn something from your betters and elders.

Oh no. The biggest twat on this forum has me on ignore. I am not sure if I am going to be able to cope. 😘

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

Class act, mate. You're on ignore because of the insults your underdeveloped brain spouts, typified by the above comment, together with badger 16 who trolls me incessantly, when he's not on his bike bothering motorists. I made the mistake of looking at your post, confirmed what a good decision I made, but for your information and other hapless fools on this thread, a recent article in the Times may explain my post:

So, back on ignore for you and read my last reply carefully. You may learn something from your betters and elders.

Show me where I have "trolled" you. ( Bit of a pointless ask if I'm ignore but worth trying ). You posted an article about the Eurozone inflation rate, and claiming that this was a good reason for leaving the EU. Your follow-up was a quote about accession states being required to join the Euro, a completely different point, and indeed one that has been pointed out by many on here, myself included, as one reason why rejoining would be far more difficult than simply reversing Brexit. If you actually read the thread and paid attention you could avoid embarrassing yourself.

You pompously goose-step around the forum as if you are the greatest mind since Einstein, posting dubious and biased articles where you generally fail to acknowledge the sources, and I suspect expecting people to assume they have been written by yourself and that you understand what they say, and either ignoring or insulting anybody who has the temerity to either counter, question, or prove the falsehood of your input.

You are entitled to your point of view, others are entitled to theirs. This is a debating / discussion forum, not your personal podium at Hyde Park Corner. And while you may well be some posters' 'elder', you are most certainly not anybody's 'better'.

 

Edited 1 November, 2022 by badgerx16

[Winnersaint]

This hasn't aged well. Pick the lies and misinformation out of it!

[tdmickey3]

34 minutes ago, Winnersaint said:

This hasn't aged well. Pick the lies and misinformation out of it!

Was that written by the "Incredible Bullshitting Man"?

[badgerx16]

The very pro-Brexit head of NEXT says we need more immigration.