Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[saint1977]

9 hours ago, warsash saint said:

Well at least the bankers can now get double their salary in bonuses - Ducky will be over the moon!

It’s like going back to Pellegrino because Saints are conceding too many goals. Even the IMF agrees that trickle down economics are a myth https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/Staff-Discussion-Notes/Issues/2016/12/31/Causes-and-Consequences-of-Income-Inequality-A-Global-Perspective-42986

Edited 21 September, 2022 by saint1977

[farawaysaint]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/24/liz-truss-plans-to-loosen-immigration-rules-to-boost-uk-economy
 

If only there was a large labour market which the UK could access without VISA restrictions…

[Tamesaint]

13 minutes ago, farawaysaint said:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/24/liz-truss-plans-to-loosen-immigration-rules-to-boost-uk-economy
 

If only there was a large labour market which the UK could access without VISA restrictions…

It's all right. There will be a load of workers on the market soon when Deutsche Bank goes bust. 

Mind you they will be needed everywhere when the main benefit of Brexit ( the trade deal with America)  is signed. 

These predictions must be true because that great brainbox Guided Missile told us. 

[buctootim]

1 hour ago, Tamesaint said:

It's all right. There will be a load of workers on the market soon when Deutsche Bank goes bust. 

Therewon't be any jobs when Deutsche goes bust. They are going to take the whole world down with them.  I have it on good authority.

[Weston Super Saint]

Fingers crossed it will work better than most new IT systems (especially Government launched ones!)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63074703

Quote

The Entry/Exit System, or EES, is due to be introduced at the end of May.

People entering the bloc from non-EU countries will need to register fingerprints and a photo with their passport details.

Not sure why fingerprints and photos can't be registered in advance but looks like pretty long queues in Dover again next summer!!!

[whelk]

That’s the problem if not in the cheese market

 

[OldNick]

24 minutes ago, whelk said:

That’s the problem if not in the cheese market

 

So sad, only now are the Brexiteers seeing the error of their vote. Sadly they will not admit it and will see their dream of an independent UK become, and Independent England that will be miniscule in the big world picture as France and Germany become the real powers the world listen to.

All was done with the best intentions in mind but foolhardy.

Having the world market sounds great, but try and export to say Brazil and see their import duties and tariffs that are eye watering. I know this from my own experience recently

 

[whelk]

1 hour ago, OldNick said:

So sad, only now are the Brexiteers seeing the error of their vote. Sadly they will not admit it and will see their dream of an independent UK become, and Independent England that will be miniscule in the big world picture as France and Germany become the real powers the world listen to.

All was done with the best intentions in mind but foolhardy.

Having the world market sounds great, but try and export to say Brazil and see their import duties and tariffs that are eye watering. I know this from my own experience recently

 

We will rejoin one day when the penny drops with so many successful entrepreneurs and small businesses gone to the wall having given up trying to make a fist of it. We’ll no doubt be be 47th largest economy in the world by then and join with the same terms as Romania (hey we used to have a veto!) Maybe our workers will be desperate to do the hospitality jobs in Germany at minimum wage and send their Euros back home to the UK - well probably just England by then. 

[Lighthouse]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-63132831
 

One of those laws we don’t have to go along with but why would you not, IMO.

[badgerx16]

12 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-63132831
 

One of those laws we don’t have to go along with but why would you not, IMO.

How likely is it that manufacturers, ( mostly in the Far East ), are going to comply with the EU directive yet build and distribute devices to the UK which have a different charging connection ? Similarly, companies in this country are unlikely to have 2 component lines, one for domestic sales and the other for export.

USB-C is hardly an obscure interface.

Edited 4 October, 2022 by badgerx16

[buctootim]

15 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-63132831
 

One of those laws we don’t have to go along with but why would you not, IMO.

Such a good and simple change - reduces waste, saves money and more than anything saves time and reduces hassle. Interesting how few EU MPs voted against because paid for lobbying is illegal there. Here you'd have half of Parliament claiming life as we know it would end if the company the work for wasnt allowed to exploit people with patented and non compatible chargers and cables.   

[skintsaint]

19 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

How likely is it that manufacturers, ( mostly in the Far East ), are going to comply with the EU directive yet build and distribute devices to the UK which have a different charging connection ?

Not sure about all devices, but my phone comes with a wire that is separate from a plug anyway so wouldn't be too much of a hassle.

[ecuk268]

10 hours ago, buctootim said:

Such a good and simple change - reduces waste, saves money and more than anything saves time and reduces hassle. Interesting how few EU MPs voted against because paid for lobbying is illegal there. Here you'd have half of Parliament claiming life as we know it would end if the company the work for wasnt allowed to exploit people with patented and non compatible chargers and cables.   

Apple intend to go to USB-C next year with the IPhone 15, so I would imagine Lightning will gradually wither away

[Whitey Grandad]

10 hours ago, ecuk268 said:

Apple intend to go to USB-C next year with the IPhone 15, so I would imagine Lightning will gradually wither away

My iPad Mini that I bought recently has a USB-C plug.

[whelk]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

My iPad Mini that I bought recently has a USB-C plug.

Weird they do it now for iPads and not yet iPhone. Got iPhone 14 and first thing did had to buy another usb-c plug. Under the guise of caring for the environment they no longer put one in. It is valid longer term but now just annoying. Apple make a fortune from Lightning accessories 

[farawaysaint]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

Weird they do it now for iPads and not yet iPhone. Got iPhone 14 and first thing did had to buy another usb-c plug. Under the guise of caring for the environment they no longer put one in. It is valid longer term but now just annoying. Apple make a fortune from Lightning accessories 

I love Apple arguing they no longer include lightning cables to reduce electronic waste while simultaneously fighting usb c connections which will greatly reduce electronic waste. 

[John B]

In 2019  Jacob Rees-Mogg, spoke of the “broad, sunlit uplands that await us” thanks to Brexit has anybody seen them or are they still over the horizon 

[badgerx16]

37 minutes ago, John B said:

In 2019  Jacob Rees-Mogg, spoke of the “broad, sunlit uplands that await us” thanks to Brexit has anybody seen them or are they still over the horizon 

They are in Provence and Tuscany.

[rallyboy]

Now the Telegraph has conceded that Brexit was a massive mistake and economists have explained how it has contributed to our current crisis, perhaps the game is up.

While many will always stubbornly deny the facts, I suspect there are a few people out there with buyer's remorse.

 

[Warriorsaint]

Where are the Brexitards? Im still waiting for my Brexit bonuses. Its only been six years.

Where are you JRM, GM, moisin, Duckweed?

[Mosin]

8 hours ago, Warriorsaint said:

Where are the Brexitards? Im still waiting for my Brexit bonuses. Its only been six years.

Where are you JRM, GM, moisin, Duckweed?

"Brexit (/ˈbrɛksɪt, ˈbrɛɡzɪt/;^[1] a portmanteau of "British exit") was the withdrawal of the United Kingdom (UK) from the European Union (EU) at 23:00 GMT on 31 January 2020"

Love to hear how you worked it out to be 6 years.
 

Edited 19 October, 2022 by Mosin

[Whitey Grandad]

17 minutes ago, Mosin said:

"Brexit (/ˈbrɛksɪt, ˈbrɛɡzɪt/;^[1] a portmanteau of "British exit") was the withdrawal of the United Kingdom (UK) from the European Union (EU) at 23:00 GMT on 31 January 2020"

Love to hear how you worked it out to be 6 years.
 

Six years since the vote, of course, which should have been plenty of time to think of something.

[Weston Super Saint]

25 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Six years since the vote, of course, which should have been plenty of time to think of something.

Have you noticed the Governments we've had in the last six years? 

[Whitey Grandad]

3 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Have you noticed the Governments we've had in the last six years? 

I’d rather not.

[Warriorsaint]

2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Six years since the vote, of course, which should have been plenty of time to think of something.

Indeedy. I noticed he didn’t elaborate on the sunlit uplands

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, Mosin said:

"Brexit (/ˈbrɛksɪt, ˈbrɛɡzɪt/;^[1] a portmanteau of "British exit") was the withdrawal of the United Kingdom (UK) from the European Union (EU) at 23:00 GMT on 31 January 2020"

Love to hear how you worked it out to be 6 years.
 

The reason we didn't 'leave' until then was through the incompetence of a Government that had no idea what had actually been promised, and no clue as to what they wanted Brexit to look like. This should have been clear before the vote ever took place.

Regardless of what date you reference, we are still waiting to find out how we are better off out of the EU.

[saint1977]

12 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

The reason we didn't 'leave' until then was through the incompetence of a Government that had no idea what had actually been promised, and no clue as to what they wanted Brexit to look like. This should have been clear before the vote ever took place.

Regardless of what date you reference, we are still waiting to find out how we are better off out of the EU.

Plenty of evidence that we are practically and economically far worse off still emerging. Brexiteers are being routed and their attempts to govern are being nationally and globally humiliated, resulting in the UK being seen as the third rate republic that it used to offer ODA assistance to. Sunlit uplands my arse. Happy to hear apologies from the likes of GM and others for being so overwhelmingly wrong. We don’t have to go back into the full EU but at the least the single market, Leave EU even suggesting staying in that before May’s fuck up speech scorching the negotiating position https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/20/trade-from-uk-to-eu-16-lower-than-if-brexit-had-not-happened-report-finds

Edited 20 October, 2022 by saint1977
typo

[Whitey Grandad]

23 minutes ago, saint1977 said:

Plenty of evidence that we are practically and economically far worse off still emerging. Brexiteers are being routed and their attempts to govern are being nationally and globally humiliated, resulting in the UK being seen as the third rate republic that it used to offer ODA assistance to. Sunlit uplands my arse. Happy to hear apologies from the likes of GM and others for being so overwhelmingly wrong. We don’t have to go back into the full EU but at the least the single market, Leave EU even suggesting staying in that before May’s fuck up speech scorching the negotiating position https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/20/trade-from-uk-to-eu-16-lower-than-if-brexit-had-not-happened-report-finds

Nah, just Project Fear 🙄

[Tamesaint]

1 hour ago, saint1977 said:

Plenty of evidence that we are practically and economically far worse off still emerging. Brexiteers are being routed and their attempts to govern are being nationally and globally humiliated, resulting in the UK being seen as the third rate republic that it used to offer ODA assistance to. Sunlit uplands my arse. Happy to hear apologies from the likes of GM and others for being so overwhelmingly wrong. 

You won't hear anything from GM... he is off with the fairies. 

Westender left the forum to protect his mental health. 

As for Duckie ... he is not man enough.

Edited 20 October, 2022 by Tamesaint

[whelk]

Just don’t call them thick. The thick gullible fucks are sensitive

[tajjuk]

13 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

The reason we didn't 'leave' until then was through the incompetence of a Government that had no idea what had actually been promised, and no clue as to what they wanted Brexit to look like. This should have been clear before the vote ever took place.

Regardless of what date you reference, we are still waiting to find out how we are better off out of the EU.

Brexit was always going to be a undeliverable as a success (unless you went for a very light Brexit which the hard Brexiteers never wanted) so no one competent was ever going to be associated with it.

The only people that would try to deliver something so stupid, is stupid fantasists, which is basically who we have had govern for the last 3 years. Anyone with any actual brain tissue, common sense and competence has been forced out of the Tory party. What we have been left with is loony extreme libertarian morons and the last month or so has shown how absurdly stupid they are. The mini-budget was the Brexiteer's holy grail, tax cuts for the rich, deregulation, bankers bonuses, public spending cuts, and it was an unmitigated disaster, yet most of these idiots were heralding it as the greatest thing ever when it came out. All of those awful Brexit people like Farage, were cooing over Truss and Kwarteng. Plus she is still planning to follow it up with her 'bonfire of red tape' where the aim to strip away workers rights, protestors rights (already doing that), environmental protections, food standards, measures to keep the market in check (because yeh lets risk another 2008 financial crash). 

These people are the most dangerous thing to happen to the British people in generations, the Tufton street gang with their unnamed donors and dangerous extreme free market ideas are now in every section of the government and they are there because of Brexit. 

[spyinthesky]

I wonder if anyone on here would like to join up to meet the (in)famous Guided Missile who will, no doubt, be enthusiastically supporting 'An Evening With Nigel Farright' at the Concorde Club on Sunday 6th November where Nige, pint in hand, will be educating the audience with all the Brexit benefits received and projected and his plans to re-invigorate the Reform Party if and when the new Tory leader does not swing significantly to the right as a political doctrine.

[revolution saint]

I think the thing is that it was never about money, that's what remainers don't get.  It's worth it to get our country back.  Apparently.

[sadoldgit]

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/22/brexit-isnt-working-and-labour-must-be-honest-about-it-with-britains-electorate
 

This is going to be a massive problem for Starmer when he becomes the next proper PM after the next election. Brexit has always been a political minefield, but as someone who supported the remain campaign, he is going to have trouble with those who still believe that Brexit was a good idea. Unless you couch it in Johnsonlike terms (i.e bullshit rhetoric) you are setting yourself up for a kicking. It is time people started talking realistically about it and the effects it is having upon our economy and our lives. If we are stuck with it, so be it. But let’s be honest about what it really means.

[badgerx16]

8 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/22/brexit-isnt-working-and-labour-must-be-honest-about-it-with-britains-electorate
 

This is going to be a massive problem for Starmer when he becomes the next proper PM after the next election. Brexit has always been a political minefield, but as someone who supported the remain campaign, he is going to have trouble with those who still believe that Brexit was a good idea. Unless you couch it in Johnsonlike terms (i.e bullshit rhetoric) you are setting yourself up for a kicking. It is time people started talking realistically about it and the effects it is having upon our economy and our lives. If we are stuck with it, so be it. But let’s be honest about what it really means.

Why is it a massive problem for Starmer specifically ? It's a massive problem for everybody, but it is where we are and it cannot be reversed. The issue for any party seeking to form the next Government is to address the economic ills we are navigating, regardless of the root cause - bemoaning Brexit and angrily pointing fingers at Leave voters won't fix anything.

Edited 22 October, 2022 by badgerx16

[whelk]

Penny is dropping for some

 

[sadoldgit]

On 22/10/2022 at 19:59, badgerx16 said:

Why is it a massive problem for Starmer specifically ? It's a massive problem for everybody, but it is where we are and it cannot be reversed. The issue for any party seeking to form the next Government is to address the economic ills we are navigating, regardless of the root cause - bemoaning Brexit and angrily pointing fingers at Leave voters won't fix anything.

It is a massive problem for him specifically because he will, in all probability, have to deal with this mess as the next PM from 2014. Brexit was a massive problem for his predecessor and its fall out will be the same for him.  As for Leave voters, until they get their collective heads out of the sand and stop ignoring the issues that we have since leaving the EU, we will continue to fail to deal with the elephant in the room. It’s time politicians started being honest about our future prospects regarding the EU but they seem terrified of the hard Brexiteers and afraid of mentioning closer ties with Europe at the moment.

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

It is a massive problem for him specifically because he will, in all probability, have to deal with this mess as the next PM from 2014. 

🤪🤡

[badgerx16]

4 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

It is a massive problem for him specifically because he will, in all probability, have to deal with this mess as the next PM from 2014. Brexit was a massive problem for his predecessor and its fall out will be the same for him.  As for Leave voters, until they get their collective heads out of the sand and stop ignoring the issues that we have since leaving the EU, we will continue to fail to deal with the elephant in the room. It’s time politicians started being honest about our future prospects regarding the EU but they seem terrified of the hard Brexiteers and afraid of mentioning closer ties with Europe at the moment.

But that is not specifically unique to Starmer, that situation applies to whoever wins in 2024, as, indeed, it will for Sunak once The King invites him to try to form a Government.

[Highfield Saint]

It's quite a long watch but interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO2lWmgEK1Y

[sadoldgit]

23 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

But that is not specifically unique to Starmer, that situation applies to whoever wins in 2024, as, indeed, it will for Sunak once The King invites him to try to form a Government.

Sunak is a dyed in the wool Brexiteer leading the Brexit Party. Any Tory remainders have been purged. He and they are not about to be honest about the effects of Brexit on us and the economy. Starmer voted to remain. The Labour Party are ambiguous about their policy towards Brexit. Starmer will have to tread a fine line if he is going to hoover up votes from those who still think Brexit was a good idea and won’t have anything said against it. My point is it is a bigger problem for him as Sunak and his buddies already have their colours nailed to the mast. Starmer might favour closer links to Europe and a softer Brexit but how does that play with the Red Wall?

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Starmer might favour closer links to Europe and a softer Brexit but how does that play with the Red Wall?

Depends on whether they are happy to settle with the Brexit we have ended up with whilst the economy continues to tank and the myth of Levelling Up disappears faster than a Russian conscript reaching the front line in Kherson. Project Fear is increasingly being revealed as Project Fact; the situation we are in is not so much "cutting off your nose to spite your face" as voluntary self decapitation.

The Red Wall will return because with Brexit being "done" there is nothing the Tories have to offer.

[tajjuk]

On 24/10/2022 at 09:22, sadoldgit said:

It is a massive problem for him specifically because he will, in all probability, have to deal with this mess as the next PM from 2014. Brexit was a massive problem for his predecessor and its fall out will be the same for him.  As for Leave voters, until they get their collective heads out of the sand and stop ignoring the issues that we have since leaving the EU, we will continue to fail to deal with the elephant in the room. It’s time politicians started being honest about our future prospects regarding the EU but they seem terrified of the hard Brexiteers and afraid of mentioning closer ties with Europe at the moment.

Personally I think, though I might be wrong on this, that Starmer and the Labour party are keeping most of their more radical cards to their chest. Their strategy seems pretty simple between now and the eventual GE, just let the Tories self destruct as they seem to be doing regularly, let the economic issues play out, cuts to services, inflation, recession etc. etc. do the talking basically and just keep tying them to the Tories and the mess they created. Put out the odd well supported, non-controversial policy out there like they have done, so windfall tax on energy companies, corporation tax increase, green targets, public energy company etc. stuff that is hard to argue against and is going to be well liked. Every so often remind everyone about the parties and corruption.

They know they don't need to do much more than that to gain a big majority in the next GE so there is no need for them to more open on potentially controversial issues. 

Because as soon as they do that, the right wing biased media will attack them and start scare stories. So why say anything about Brexit or re-joining, all you are going to do is get the Daily Mail frothing at the mouth about people having their democracy stolen or whatever, its completely pointless.

A lot of the hardcore Brexit voters are basically a fanatical tribe, they are like Trump supporters, it doesn't matter what you tell them or show them or how bad the impact of Brexit is, they will still shout about sovereignty and pint glasses and other nonsensical crap. Sadly some of these people are likely Labour voters or in important areas for Labour, its how Johnson got them in 2019, Labour were too wish washy about Brexit and Johnson just shouted 'Get Brexit Done' at them over and over, and for sheep people like this that works. 

There is no need to scare people like that by Labour talking about re-joining or better deals or whatever.  

So that is why I think Labour are being very non-committal, barely saying anything on stuff like Brexit, PR, etc. because there is no point risking that debate deflecting from the Tory party shooting themselves in the foot.

Labour, baring a miracle or some sort of giant fuck up are going to win the next GE, and probably have a huge majority that will enable them to be in power for probably 10 years at least.  By that time we could be another 18 months, 2 years down the line with the Brexit consequences very easy to point out and the solution is very easy to point out.

And with a large majority Labour will be able to just slowly re-join us on sly, without fanfare. You want to fix a lot of the issues with Brexit then that is a pretty obvious one right there, I think basically we'll have a Norway like deal within a year of a new Labour government and we will be back within the single market, the economic boost we will get from doing that will win them the following election. 

The 2019 election, despite giving Johnson a large parliamentary majority, was actually very close and it went to the Tories because of Brexit, they made it about Brexit and that got them across the line. Remember 2017 Labour actually did very well, they had progressive policies that went down well and that was despite them being led by the divisive Corbyn, it still forced May to need the awful DUP to form a government. Had they had someone more palatable to the electorate in 2017 Labour would have won that election I reckon, and probably been forming a government in a coalition. But they then went wish washy on Brexit (you can't blame them because they knew it was a bad idea and really the best course was to reverse it, but they couldn't pitch that as they'd upset half the country, so ended up being unclear) and Johnson went full on Brexit and made the election about Brexit, which then he won. 

So the next election needs to not be about Brexit, which is why Labour barely say anything on it, and because the Tories now don't have that advantage because they 'got Brexit done'. They didn't but you can't say 'get Brexit done, again', it doesn't work, it was a bit like Trump still using 'Make America Great again' when he'd been President for 4 years, the message rings hollow. 

Take it out of the public mindset, elect a government with adults in the room and let them get on governing sensibly as we then elect them to do, which means they can fix Brexit by the way it should have been fixed all along, basically undoing it. 

Edited 26 October, 2022 by tajjuk

[Guided Missile]

 

Well girls, time to calm down and look at the fundamental effects of Brexit. Compared to the pandemic and Putin, they have  been  benign, to say the least:

• The hard evidence is that leaving the EU has had remarkably little impact on the UK economy. Among the major advanced economies, the UK has had one of the faster rates of growth of total GDP since June 2016 and sits comfortably in mid table on growth in GDP per head. UK exports to the EU have recovered to long-term trend levels and the City of London has been only mildly impacted.

• Since June 2016 and up until the end of the second quarter of 2022, OECD data shows that the cumulative growth rate of real GDP in Italy was 4%, in Germany was 5.5%, in the U.K. was 6.8% and in France was 7.6%.

• Foreign direct investment (FDI) into the UK has held up well since 2016 in contrast to predictions that it would slump after Brexit. Greenfield FDI into the UK rose by a third between 2016 and 2021 and was the highest of any large European economy in every year in this period.

• UK trade with the EU has fully recovered after some initial disruption, despite increased trade frictions. Underlying trade levels are close to long-term trends. The UK’s trade balance with the EU has improved – implying a boost to growth – and even sectors like food and fish have seen exports to the EU proving remarkably resilient.
  Nor has UK inflation been significantly higher due to Brexit. UK inflation has been similar to that in the US and EU, while food price inflation has been lower. 

• There has been an intense focus on the labour market. But while Brexit has undoubtedly had an impact on some firms and sectors, there is little evidence of a substantial aggregate effect. Some workers may be harder to find, but this is true across much of Europe and the US. Net migration has remained strongly positive, and any loss of EU staff can overwhelmingly be explained by Covid. UK employment is close to record highs and job vacancy rates are similar in the UK to those in Germany or the US.

• Ahead of the 2016 referendum it was commonplace to hear negative comments about the City of London and how it would suffer huge job losses and an exodus of business. In the event, these hits have not materialised. Brexit-related job losses or relocations have been small, overall City employment has kept growing, and UK financial services exports have held up well.

• The lack of evidence for significant harms from Brexit so far is important because it was always likely that most costs would be upfront and relatively visible, whereas most benefits would take longer to come through. The main consequence of Brexit was always the increased freedom to develop distinctive economic policies. Success or failure will depend on how productive these policies prove to be.

Still, feel free to wring your hands for a few more years until everyone gets fed up with listening to losers. We're never going to re-join, so make the best of it, or feel free to fuck off to a better place.

[badgerx16]

https://www.ft.com/content/7a209a34-7d95-47aa-91b0-bf02d4214764

"But as the sixth anniversary of the UK’s vote to leave the EU approaches, economists are starting to quantify the damage caused by the erection of trade barriers with its biggest market, separating the “Brexit effect” from the damage caused by the Covid-19 pandemic. They conclude that the damage is real and it is not over yet."

 

https://obr.uk/box/the-latest-evidence-on-the-impact-of-brexit-on-uk-trade/

 

[badgerx16]

And just in case anybody thought GM had managed to string more than two sentences together without assistance, this is the the unacknowledged source of his cut&paste exercise;

https://www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/what-impact-is-brexit-having-on-the-uk-economy/

 

Formerly Briefings For Brexit, it is a strongly pro-Brexit and heavily biased source.

Edited 26 October, 2022 by badgerx16

[Sheaf Saint]

I got my new passport through today.

It's not blue, it's black.

FFS, yet another much anticipated Brexit benefit turns out to be untrue.

Was there even a single promise they made that has actually materialised?

[tajjuk]

3 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

https://www.ft.com/content/7a209a34-7d95-47aa-91b0-bf02d4214764

"But as the sixth anniversary of the UK’s vote to leave the EU approaches, economists are starting to quantify the damage caused by the erection of trade barriers with its biggest market, separating the “Brexit effect” from the damage caused by the Covid-19 pandemic. They conclude that the damage is real and it is not over yet."

 

https://obr.uk/box/the-latest-evidence-on-the-impact-of-brexit-on-uk-trade/

 

This FT video sums it all up pretty nicely, also being the FT it can't be passed of as some 'lefty remainer' media source, its the FT. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO2lWmgEK1Y

[tajjuk]

3 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

And just in case anybody thought GM had managed to string more than two sentences together without assistance, this is the the unacknowledged source of his cut&paste exercise;

https://www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/what-impact-is-brexit-having-on-the-uk-economy/

 

Formerly Briefings For Brexit, it is a strongly pro-Brexit and heavily biased source.

One of the authors of that article, also wrote this -

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/10/02/markets-wrong-trussonomics-just-like-brexit/

On the 2nd of October, that aged well and shows how much these people know. 'Independent Economists', i.e ones that any self respecting organisation won't actually touch because of their extreme views.

Edited 26 October, 2022 by tajjuk

[tajjuk]

4 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

Still, feel free to wring your hands for a few more years until everyone gets fed up with listening to losers. We're never going to re-join, so make the best of it, or feel free to fuck off to a better place.

We will re-join eventually because its makes sense and will improve the economy, anyone not a completely biased Brexiteer knows that.

But quite simply name a tangible Brexit dividend and clear benefit for the country, yet to see anyone actually name one.