Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[tajjuk]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Here you go 

 

Key line from this as well -

"As members of the European Union we helped to draw up the rules for “third-country nationals""

We literally agreed to and developed the rules that we are now forcing upon ourselves and are now complaining about them.

It reminds of the Daily Express article a while back where 'readers' where outraged at the £6 visa charge they now had to pay, again something the UK literally helped come up with and agreed to. 

[Nolan]

The French open 4 of 10 passport points at Dover.

MUST be Brexits fault.

 

[rallyboy]

Should we really be surprised when people who Johnson has abused for six years choose to be uncooperative with solving our problem?

His aggressive and dismissive policy towards foreigners, adopted to placate the 95% white membership who will decide our next PM, has been a masterclass in how not to negotiate or influence others for our benefit.

The Dover sky is dark with chickens.

[Warriorsaint]

56 minutes ago, Nolan said:

The French open 4 of 10 passport points at Dover.

MUST be Brexits fault.

 

Hilarious. Still some in cloud cuckoo land. Gammons will Gammon!

[Warriorsaint]

Amazing that every word was a lie and people bought it.

[Warriorsaint]

1 hour ago, Nolan said:

The French open 4 of 10 passport points at Dover.

MUST be Brexits fault.

 

 

[Nolan]

the french had only 4 of 10 passport booths open. But you're right having only 4 of 20 open would have made the difference.

Dover is the only port where the French have control in this country due to Blair's 2003 agreement.

If it was a problem with Brexit you would also be having issues on the French side with the Police aux Frontiers with people struggling to get through checkpoints there. 

Dover have clearly stated the french are the issue: 

Doug Bannister, the port's chief executive, told Sky News: “The cause of it is French immigration controls. “This is causing major disruption. French border controls are not properly staffed.”

[Mosin]

21 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

Hilarious. Still some in cloud cuckoo land. Gammons will Gammon!

would having all 12 open not have helped? am curious what your position is, seeing as only 4 was open most of the day.... Do you check out quicker at tesco if they only have one till? should they scrap all the other tills and auto tills because it actually dont ( Remainer logic ) make things faster?.

Even as far back ( And earlier!!!) as 2015 issues at dover was an every day thing pretty much..

Was this brexit too?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-36873632



 

[whelk]

I think Brexit has helped improve checks and made it quicker. If we were still in the EU those queues would be back up to London.

 

[whelk]

9 minutes ago, Nolan said:

the french had only 4 of 10 passport booths open. But you're right having only 4 of 20 open would have made the difference.

Dover is the only port where the French have control in this country due to Blair's 2003 agreement.

If it was a problem with Brexit you would also be having issues on the French side with the Police aux Frontiers with people struggling to get through checkpoints there. 

Dover have clearly stated the french are the issue: 

Doug Bannister, the port's chief executive, told Sky News: “The cause of it is French immigration controls. “This is causing major disruption. French border controls are not properly staffed.”

The problem is lack of trust which is at lowest possible level thanks to Johnson and his cronies. I heard the CEO being interviewed and sounded plausible about lack of French resource however so many lie to protect themselves I can’t say I 100% believe him as the BS spin masters would say that even if it wasn’t true to deflect. The times we live in

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, Nolan said:

The French open 4 of 10 passport points at Dover.

MUST be Brexits fault.

 

If it weren’t for Brexit there would be no need for more passport points at Dover so yes, it’s Brexit’s fault.

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Nolan said:

Dover is the only port where the French have control in this country due to Blair's 2003 agreement.

The 2003 agreement was an extension of a 1991 Treaty, the Sangatte Protocol, signed by the Major Government preparing for the completion of the Channel tunnel, and permitting the p!acement of French passport controls at the Folkestone terminal.

[Mosin]

55 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

If it weren’t for Brexit there would be no need for more passport points at Dover so yes, it’s Brexit’s fault.

Surely you have had your passport checked before and are well aware it takes a few moments?.

I can jump on a plane and go throw Australias customs controls in less than 10 min as long as all is how it should be ofc, and the US ( I went for miami GP ), Brazil ( Again f1 ), And Dubia which i go every year for the f1 and brazil and the canada GP. when problems only happen at one place it is because one side doesnt employ / have enough staff on, you cant blame brexit for mismanagment.

Remeber a certain football game where thousands of supporters couldnt get into a game they had tickets too, even the media was refused entry and tear gased!!! and club given ticket holders, all apparently fake tickets, or the fact they got tear gassed for standing nicely at teh gate questioning why they was not being allowed in?

Seems highly likely the queues are a result of the french deciding to be dicks, Just as was found at the champions league game..
 

[tajjuk]

1 hour ago, Nolan said:

the french had only 4 of 10 passport booths open. But you're right having only 4 of 20 open would have made the difference.

Dover is the only port where the French have control in this country due to Blair's 2003 agreement.

If it was a problem with Brexit you would also be having issues on the French side with the Police aux Frontiers with people struggling to get through checkpoints there. 

Dover have clearly stated the french are the issue: 

, the port's chief executive, told Sky News: “The cause of it is French immigration controls. “This is causing major disruption. French border controls are not properly staffed.”

https://www.theguardian.com/business/video/2022/jul/22/drone-footage-shows-huge-queues-at-dover-port-video

So why are the queues at Folkestone?

It's a pure and simple Brexit issue because the checks were not needed under Brexit. 

Doug Bannister you say? -

Quote

Krishnan Guru-Murthy asks "So it is clear that post Brexit checks have made things worse?" Doug Bannister, Port of Dover's CEO replies, "They have, that's not a surprise."

https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1550550764053008384?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

Brexit is clearly a contributing factor to ALL these issues, shortages of food, lack of lorry drivers, lack of staff for airports, increased checks at borders, inflation, poor recovery of the economy, etc. etc.

All of this was predicted and dismissed as 'Project Fear' but it was predicted by sensible, knowledgeable academics and experts in their fields. It was dismissed by biased, ignorant right wing newspapers and leave politicians, most of whom did not know what they were talking about or in many cases were just flat out lying as that 'leave' advert above shows, just flat out lies based on ignorance.

There is only so long this blame game can go on, first it was the pandemic, that can't be blamed anymore, now it's the war in Ukraine, at some point down the line it will have to accepted that the major issues with this country have been caused by or have been made worse by BREXIT and the people that voted for it, the people that engineered it, that pushed for it will have to accept that reality before we can actually fix it. Because you cannot fix problems if won't acknowledge what is causing them.  

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Mosin said:

Surely you have had your passport checked before and are well aware it takes a few moments?.

I can jump on a plane and go throw Australias customs controls in less than 10 min as long as all is how it should be ofc, and the US ( I went for miami GP ), Brazil ( Again f1 ), And Dubia which i go every year for the f1 and brazil and the canada GP. when problems only happen at one place it is because one side doesnt employ / have enough staff on, you cant blame brexit for mismanagment.

Remeber a certain football game where thousands of supporters couldnt get into a game they had tickets too, even the media was refused entry and tear gased!!! and club given ticket holders, all apparently fake tickets, or the fact they got tear gassed for standing nicely at teh gate questioning why they was not being allowed in?

Seems highly likely the queues are a result of the french deciding to be dicks, Just as was found at the champions league game..
 

Yep. All over the world. I’ve been held up in the States for over an hour three or four times. Sometimes two hours. The border controls between Argentina and Brazil are tedious even if you’re the only traveler around. Antigua can be slow if more than two planes turn up at the same time. I’ve had a wait getting into the Netherlands too. Don’t forget that you are probably travelling alone. A carful with kids will take longer.

The problems now are that the passports are not only checked but they also have to be logged and stamped both in and out. It all takes longer. Thanks to you.

[badgerx16]

10 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Don’t forget that you are probably travelling alone. A carful with kids will take longer.

 

Worse still if you are taking a pet dog with you.

[Nolan]

1 hour ago, tajjuk said:

 

Brexit is clearly a contributing factor to ALL these issues, shortages of food, lack of lorry drivers, lack of staff for airports, increased checks at borders, inflation, poor recovery of the economy, etc. etc.

 

Spanish Food Shortages - obviously caused by Brexit

Spain allows supermarket rationing to avoid food shortages (thelocal.es)

Global Commercial Driver Shortages - Obviously caused by Brexit

Global commercial driver shortages to soar in 2021 - survey | World Economic Forum (weforum.org)

Australian Airport Staff Shortages Caused by Brexit.

Coronavirus Australia: Airport ground staff shortage threatens air travel recovery (smh.com.au)

any increased Checks on the borders is cause by choices of the French and the EU.

Regarding the economy. We're in a better position than countries like Italy who have a debt crisis, in part because they have a shared currency and are beholden to the ECB.

from Yesterday: Italy leads sell-off as ECB  acts on debt fears | Business | The Times

 

 

 

 

[aintforever]

The last time I went through Dover was before Brexit and I was driving a mini bus full of lads and we were just waved through, I find it hard to believe Brexit hasn’t made the situation worse.

[Whitey Grandad]

18 minutes ago, Nolan said:

 

Spanish Food Shortages - obviously caused by Brexit

Spain allows supermarket rationing to avoid food shortages (thelocal.es)

Global Commercial Driver Shortages - Obviously caused by Brexit

Global commercial driver shortages to soar in 2021 - survey | World Economic Forum (weforum.org)

Australian Airport Staff Shortages Caused by Brexit.

Coronavirus Australia: Airport ground staff shortage threatens air travel recovery (smh.com.au)

any increased Checks on the borders is cause by choices of the French and the EU.

Regarding the economy. We're in a better position than countries like Italy who have a debt crisis, in part because they have a shared currency and are beholden to the ECB.

from Yesterday: Italy leads sell-off as ECB  acts on debt fears | Business | The Times

 

 

 

 

You’ve wandered off all over the place here. I’m not sure what points you’re trying to make but none of them are relevant.

[badgerx16]

29 minutes ago, Nolan said:

Regarding the economy. We're in a better position than countries like Italy who have a debt crisis, in part because they have a shared currency and are beholden to the ECB.

from Yesterday: Italy leads sell-off as ECB  acts on debt fears | Business | The Times

 

Out of interest, what ratio of debt to GDP do you think is acceptable, considering ours has only just dropped below 100% ?

Edited 23 July, 2022 by badgerx16

[tajjuk]

43 minutes ago, Nolan said:

 

Spanish Food Shortages - obviously caused by Brexit

Spain allows supermarket rationing to avoid food shortages (thelocal.es)

Global Commercial Driver Shortages - Obviously caused by Brexit

Global commercial driver shortages to soar in 2021 - survey | World Economic Forum (weforum.org)

Australian Airport Staff Shortages Caused by Brexit.

Coronavirus Australia: Airport ground staff shortage threatens air travel recovery (smh.com.au)

any increased Checks on the borders is cause by choices of the French and the EU.

Regarding the economy. We're in a better position than countries like Italy who have a debt crisis, in part because they have a shared currency and are beholden to the ECB.

from Yesterday: Italy leads sell-off as ECB  acts on debt fears | Business | The Times

 

And? Your points are irrelevant, I didn't say the issues were 'exclusively' caused by Brexit, I said they were made worse by Brexit and that is completely unnecessary and self inflicted, as opposed to the other issues outside the control of the UK government. 

Dumb point is dumb, the same dumb point Brexiteers have been making for years when any issues around Brexit are pointed out, it's always 'whataboutism' and blaming something else or someone else, as we see with the current issues at Dover, it's the fault of the French, except really it isn't, its the dumb choice we made to leave the EU. 

'Choices made by the EU' LMAO, you mean the 3rd party checks we helped shape and signed off on when we were EU members. Literally done under a Tory government, we agreed to these rules and even helped design them, and now we are complaining they are being applied to us, when we CHOSE to be outside the EU. 

You are literally blaming the EU for treating us a non-EU member, like it wasn't effing obvious that would happen and we knew EXACTLY what that would mean and the issues it would cause. 

[Nolan]

Seeing as the rules were made by us partly in EU means we already had equivalence.

hence why the checks are self defeating and unnecessary by the EU.

The EU can treat us anyway they wish. Its in their gift, but especially currently its enlightening to see how they're obfuscating in their dealing with another non EU state: Russia. 

 

 

[Whitey Grandad]

9 minutes ago, Nolan said:

Seeing as the rules were made by us partly in EU means we already had equivalence.

hence why the checks are self defeating and unnecessary by the EU.

The EU can treat us anyway they wish. Its in their gift, but especially currently its enlightening to see how they're obfuscating in their dealing with another non EU state: Russia. 

 

 

Now you’re miles off course.

What do you mean by ‘equivalence’? Since we are no longer under the joint apron of the ECJ there is no guarantee of compliance. It’s not enough to follow the same rules, you have to sign up to the same oversight.

These delays at Dover are nothing to do with compliance or equivalence. They are the procedure that must be followed when entering a Schengen country. It’s like arguing that your car passed its MOT six years ago so it must be ok now.

[Nolan]

Equivalence.

So we start off in a joint umbrella of having the same rules for organic certification of fruit.

As the UK We know EU has strong organic certification so we allow their certification in.

As the EU are aware. The UK has strong organic certification. But they chose to force the rigmarol of additional documentation.

 

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Nolan said:

Equivalence.

So we start off in a joint umbrella of having the same rules for organic certification of fruit.

As the UK We know EU has strong organic certification so we allow their certification in.

As the EU are aware. The UK has strong organic certification. But they chose to force the rigmarol of additional documentation.

 

Which they are perfectly entitled to do, but could not have done before Brexit. The only reason the UK has continued with equivalence for imports from the EU is because the Government were scared off changing things by businesses complaining about potential additional red tape, costs, and bureaucracy.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Nolan said:

Equivalence.

So we start off in a joint umbrella of having the same rules for organic certification of fruit.

As the UK We know EU has strong organic certification so we allow their certification in.

As the EU are aware. The UK has strong organic certification. But they chose to force the rigmarol of additional documentation.

 

Prove it.

[Nolan]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Prove it.

Lol......

 

The EU and UK Organic certification is exactly the same.

Are you unhappy with the EUs certification process? 

[Warriorsaint]

3 hours ago, Nolan said:

Seeing as the rules were made by us partly in EU means we already had equivalence.

hence why the checks are self defeating and unnecessary by the EU.

The EU can treat us anyway they wish. Its in their gift, but especially currently its enlightening to see how they're obfuscating in their dealing with another non EU state: Russia. 

 

 

You do realise that this is a result of what we did right? 
we are a third Country. The French can treat us whatever way they like. Its their prerogative.

The point is it is self inflicted. We helped write the rules ffs lol 😂 

No queues between France and Germany. Wonder why? What could be the limiting factor. 
Facts don’t matter to Gammons as long as they can keep shouting at forners lol 😂 

[Warriorsaint]

3 hours ago, Nolan said:

Equivalence.

So we start off in a joint umbrella of having the same rules for organic certification of fruit.

As the UK We know EU has strong organic certification so we allow their certification in.

As the EU are aware. The UK has strong organic certification. But they chose to force the rigmarol of additional documentation.

 

Not one Brexit benefit quoted so far in 6 years lol.

[Weston Super Saint]

Ironically, the enhanced border checks that (some) of the French workers are carrying out (very slowly) are aimed at preventing illegal immigrants from entering their country.

Presumably the same illegal immigrants that crossed the channel in a dinghy from France in the first place...

[AlexLaw76]

34 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

You do realise that this is a result of what we did right? 
we are a third Country. The French can treat us whatever way they like. Its their prerogative.

The point is it is self inflicted. We helped write the rules ffs lol 😂 

No queues between France and Germany. Wonder why? What could be the limiting factor. 
Facts don’t matter to Gammons as long as they can keep shouting at forners lol 😂 

Is it 6 hours to get into the USA? Or say, Singapore?

[farawaysaint]

7 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Is it 6 hours to get into the USA? Or say, Singapore?

Having been through many land borders by car I can tell you that the waiting times are not unusual.

[buctootim]

10 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Is it 6 hours to get into the USA? Or say, Singapore?

More to the point do US or Singapore put on extra staff because UK school holidays have just started?  Did the UK put on extra staff to cope with the passports fiasco or the refuge for Ukrainians clusterfuck?  

Edited 23 July, 2022 by buctootim

[buctootim]

Just now, farawaysaint said:

Having been through many land borders by car I can tell you that the waiting times are not unusual.

Exactly. Ive waited 3.5 hours at JFK before

[Nolan]

53 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

Not one Brexit benefit quoted so far in 6 years lol.

I'll start off:

Cheaper imports tariffs And tariffs now stationary as they're based on Pounds rather than Euros.

 

 

 

 

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Nolan said:

Lol......

 

The EU and UK Organic certification is exactly the same.

Are you unhappy with the EUs certification process? 

No, you miss my point. How can you or anybody in the EU porove that the UK is fully compliant now that the Uk is no longer in the EU? It's not enopugh to have regulatory standards. You also need to have a regulatory environment. So I ask again, how do you prove that the UK is conforming to the EU standards?

[Whitey Grandad]

8 minutes ago, Nolan said:

I'll start off:

Cheaper imports tariffs And tariffs now stationary as they're based on Pounds rather than Euros.

 

 

 

 

But extra import costs.

[Nolan]

15 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

But extra import costs.

 

For example. Melons from Brazil had a duty of 8.8%. now it's only 8%.

If there are extra import costs on melons from Brazil nobody has told me.

I'm certainly not paying anything extra.

 

Where prices are going up. Paper, cardboard and packaging due to worldwide shortages. Costs of seafreight due to fuel costs

Edited 23 July, 2022 by Nolan

[Warriorsaint]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Is it 6 hours to get into the USA? Or say, Singapore?

Nope , just Europe when it didn’t need to be. Adding barriers is a forehead slap.

[Warriorsaint]

58 minutes ago, Nolan said:

I'll start off:

Cheaper imports tariffs And tariffs now stationary as they're based on Pounds rather than Euros.

 

 

 

 

😂 cheaper imports lol 😂 

[Warriorsaint]

43 minutes ago, Nolan said:

 

For example. Melons from Brazil had a duty of 8.8%. now it's only 8%.

If there are extra import costs on melons from Brazil nobody has told me.

I'm certainly not paying anything extra.

 

Where prices are going up. Paper, cardboard and packaging due to worldwide shortages. Costs of seafreight due to fuel costs

It is quite literally flat earth behaviour. It is quite impressive really.

[Nolan]

Just now, Warriorsaint said:

It is quite literally flat earth behaviour. It is quite impressive really.

It's not my fault you're ignorant on this. Sorry.

[Warriorsaint]

10 hours ago, Nolan said:

the french had only 4 of 10 passport booths open. But you're right having only 4 of 20 open would have made the difference.

Dover is the only port where the French have control in this country due to Blair's 2003 agreement.

If it was a problem with Brexit you would also be having issues on the French side with the Police aux Frontiers with people struggling to get through checkpoints there. 

Dover have clearly stated the french are the issue: 

Doug Bannister, the port's chief executive, told Sky News: “The cause of it is French immigration controls. “This is causing major disruption. French border controls are not properly staffed.”

Since we’re quoting Doug Bannister eh, why don’t we hear what he actually thinks?

 

[Warriorsaint]

19 minutes ago, Nolan said:

It's not my fault you're ignorant on this. Sorry.

😂 look, squirrel 🐿 

[Warriorsaint]

More help for Nolan and his gas lighting.

 

[Warriorsaint]

Another for Nolan

 

[Nolan]

47 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

More help for Nolan and his gas lighting.

 

 

Now we've established that the French only had 4 of 10 booths open.

But according to your article in 2020 they only had 5.

So the port has doubled the amount of booths anyway, and the government saved £33m. 

 

Edited 23 July, 2022 by Nolan

[Warriorsaint]

1 hour ago, Nolan said:

 

Now we've established that the French only had 4 of 10 booths open.

But according to your article in 2020 they only had 5.

So the port has doubled the amount of booths anyway, and the government saved £33m. 

 

The gaslighting by the Brexit mob shows now sign of abating. They BELIEVE!!! No amount or fact or evidence will ever convince them. They are a lost cause. 

Better to tuck them up in bed with a nice blanket so the adults can eventually fix their mess.

My Article? I could show you a hundred articles and you would still quote the shaman living in a dark cave. 

Edited 23 July, 2022 by Warriorsaint

[Warriorsaint]

Keep denying the evidence of your own eyes and ears Nolan.

 

[warsash saint]

Sums up our media nicely

Edited 23 July, 2022 by warsash saint