Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[Guided Missile]

Doomsday predictions of a post-Brexit collapse in trade have “failed to materialise” according to a leading Westminster think tank.
A report by the National Institute of Economic and Social Research (Niesr) said there had been a “significant improvement” in the UK’s net trade performance with the EU since the referendum nearly six years ago. " and "Mr Mortimer-Lee said the UK should eventually reach a “stable” trade deficit with the EU, with the net difference between exports and imports likely to settle at a third of its pre-referendum levels. "

Isn't it great to be on the right side of history, brexiteers?

[badgerx16]

42 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

Doomsday predictions of a post-Brexit collapse in trade have “failed to materialise” according to a leading Westminster think tank.
A report by the National Institute of Economic and Social Research (Niesr) said there had been a “significant improvement” in the UK’s net trade performance with the EU since the referendum nearly six years ago. " and "Mr Mortimer-Lee said the UK should eventually reach a “stable” trade deficit with the EU, with the net difference between exports and imports likely to settle at a third of its pre-referendum levels. "

Isn't it great to be on the right side of history, brexiteers?

So although the trade situation with the EU is worse than before Brexit, it is not as bad as some predicted it might be.

Sunny Uplands indeed.

[Tamesaint]

1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

Doomsday predictions of a post-Brexit collapse in trade have “failed to materialise” according to a leading Westminster think tank.
A report by the National Institute of Economic and Social Research (Niesr) said there had been a “significant improvement” in the UK’s net trade performance with the EU since the referendum nearly six years ago. " and "Mr Mortimer-Lee said the UK should eventually reach a “stable” trade deficit with the EU, with the net difference between exports and imports likely to settle at a third of its pre-referendum levels. "

Isn't it great to be on the right side of history, brexiteers?

OMG. Its Friday night and Shit for Brains has been drinking again. 

The only problem is that he will wake up tomorrow and still be pigshit thick.

 

[badgerx16]

Talking of things that have "failed to materialise", where is that UK/US trade deal mentioned in the OP ?

[rallyboy]

Oven ready, easiest deal in history, we're at the front of the queue for the US deal, we hold all the cards, cheaper food, lower energy prices, taking back control of our borders.....

All now exposed as delusion diarrhoea squirted from the flabby white arse of an Eton liar, to be spoonfed to the easily-led - and they gleefully gobbled it down.

[Highfield Saint]

Apparently the energy price shock in France equates to a 4% increase...

 

[igsey]

Just now, Highfield Saint said:

Apparently the energy price shock in France equates to a 4% increase...

 

French gov owns EDF energy right? So I'm sure we're paying partly to insulate the French from the price rises.

[Whitey Grandad]

7 minutes ago, Highfield Saint said:

Apparently the energy price shock in France equates to a 4% increase...

 

Nuclear, innit?

[whelk]

Don’t worry just tell us that energy is indeed cheaper.  If it went up by 400% it would in fact be higher so govt should be applauded at restricting the rise.

[badgerx16]

"UK firms have been hit by "increased costs, paperwork and border delays" as a result of Brexit, MPs have said.

A report from parliament's spending watchdog, the Public Accounts Committee (PAC), said it "was clear" that leaving the EU was having an impact on UK trade volumes."

 

""One of the great promises of Brexit was freeing British businesses to give them the headroom to maximise their productivity and contribution to the economy - even more desperately needed now on the long road to recovery from the pandemic," said PAC chair Meg Hillier.

"Yet the only detectable impact so far is increased costs, paperwork and border delays.""

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60308494

[rallyboy]

I'm pretty sure that Cummings and Johnson didn't lie to Leave voters just to further their own careers and to assist their wealthy backers who have cashed in on Brexit.

There will be a simple explanation and I'm certain that the many benefits that were promised for the UK will emerge at any moment....

[The Kraken]

1 hour ago, rallyboy said:

There will be a simple explanation and I'm certain that the many benefits that were promised for the UK will emerge at any moment....

Of course there will be. In fact there are soon going to be so many Brexit benefits that the haunted pencil JRM has been appointed Brexit benefit minister to take on the burden of sharing all the wonderful news with us.

[badgerx16]

32 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Of course there will be. In fact there are soon going to be so many Brexit benefits that the haunted pencil JRM has been appointed Brexit benefit minister to take on the burden of sharing all the wonderful news with us.

Like extending the funds managed by your investment company to bases in Ireland to keep it within the EU ?

"A firm co-founded by the Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg has set up its second investment fund in Ireland, insisting it “has nothing to do with Brexit”.

It comes after the prominent Brexiteer faced questions last month after it emerged Somerset Capital Management (SCM) had set up its first Dublin-registered investment fund.

The business, which invests millions into emerging and frontier markets, also issued a stark warning over Brexit earlier this year, suggesting there was the likelihood to be “considerable uncertainty” as Britain leaves the bloc"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-brexit-scm-ireland-investment-fund-conservative-mp-a8461021.html

 

Co-incidentally;

"Jacob Rees-Mogg’s new job as minister for ‘Brexit opportunities’ could make him substantially richer through his shares in an $8bn investment fund, experts have warned."

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/jacob-rees-moggs-new-brexit-post-make-him-richer/

 

Sunny uplands.

Edited 9 February, 2022 by badgerx16

[badgerx16]

When the newly appointed ( annointed ? ) Brexit Benefits Minister has to put out a public plea for people to notify him of possible benefits from leaving the EU, you know that the whole thing is just fundamentally built of bullshit.

[buctootim]

4 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

When the newly appointed ( annointed ? ) Brexit Benefits Minister has to put out a public plea for people to notify him of possible benefits from leaving the EU, you know that the whole thing is just fundamentally built of bullshit.

He should have asked them to write in 44 years time.  

[Sheaf Saint]

9 hours ago, buctootim said:

He should have asked them to write in 44 years time.  

According to Turkish, anyone who thinks that Johnson staying in post in the short term is good because it lessens the chances of the Tories winning the next GE don't actually have the best interests of the UK at heart.

Presumably he will be applying the same logic to all the Brexit cheerleaders who insisted that any short term hardships as a result of leaving the EU will ultimately be worth it in 30 years time.

 

[Trout-Tickler]

On 11/02/2022 at 09:14, badgerx16 said:

When the newly appointed ( annointed ? ) Brexit Benefits Minister has to put out a public plea for people to notify him of possible benefits from leaving the EU, you know that the whole thing is just fundamentally built of bullshit.

One of the few clear direct benefits could've been to invest heavily in gene editing and genetically modified organism (GMO) research and development which is currently banned due to a ruling from the ECJ. With proper investment we could've been one of the leading lights in this field and attracted some the best scientists in the world. Instead we have have bullshit like crown marks on our pint glasses and blue passports which mean f**k all to anyone.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Trout-Tickler said:

One of the few clear direct benefits could've been to invest heavily in gene editing and genetically modified organism (GMO) research and development which is currently banned due to a ruling from the ECJ. With proper investment we could've been one of the leading lights in this field and attracted some the best scientists in the world. Instead we have have bullshit like crown marks on our pint glasses and blue passports which mean f**k all to anyone.

The ECJ is nothing to do with the EU.

[badgerx16]

47 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

The ECJ is nothing to do with the EU.

It is if you are trying to find a justification for the lunatic vanity project that is Brexit.

[Whitey Grandad]

36 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

It is if you are trying to find a justification for the lunatic vanity project that is Brexit.

Surely you know me better than that

Some people seem to have a visceral hatred for anything with the word ‘European’ in it.

[Fan The Flames]

A tory prick on Radio 4 yesterday, when asked of a brexit benifit could only offer the return of the crown on the pint glass as a 'substantial achievement'.

[badgerx16]

13 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

A tory prick on Radio 4 yesterday, when asked of a brexit benifit could only offer the return of the crown on the pint glass as a 'substantial achievement'.

That would be the crown marking that was never actually banned. The EU rules simply stated that the "CE" mark had to be present, it did not ban any other marks from being stamped or etched, as long as they did not impinge or obscure the "CE". The UK Government at the time decided on how to implement the EU regulation.

Edited 13 February, 2022 by badgerx16

[Whitey Grandad]

I have just noticed that we are on page 404. Does this page actually exist?

[kyle04]

2 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

That would be the crown marking that was never actually banned. The EU rules simply stated that the "CE" mark had to be present, it did not ban any other marks from being stamped or etched, as long as they did not impinge or obscure the "CE". The UK Government at the time decided on how to implement the EU regulation.

What!!? You mean the crown (Gawd bless 'er) was never banned??

[ecuk268]

3 hours ago, Fan The Flames said:

A tory prick on Radio 4 yesterday, when asked of a brexit benifit could only offer the return of the crown on the pint glass as a 'substantial achievement'.

Especially as it was never banned in the first place.

 

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, kyle04 said:

What!!? You mean the crown (Gawd bless 'er) was never banned??

Correct. The EU directive stated that the CE mark was to be the legal measure of quantity, but other marks were perfectly permissable alongside it. The UK Government passed the law enacting the CE mark with a clause that stated it was to be the only mark.

Edited 13 February, 2022 by badgerx16

[badgerx16]

 

[Johnny Bognor]

As far as I remember, the whole point of the EU was to prevent another European war.

As this has clearly failed, should the EU now be disbanded?

[Sheaf Saint]

15 minutes ago, Johnny Bognor said:

As far as I remember, the whole point of the EU was to prevent another European war.

As this has clearly failed, should the EU now be disbanded?

You do know that Ukraine isn't in the EU, right?

[badgerx16]

26 minutes ago, Johnny Bognor said:

As far as I remember, the whole point of the EU was to prevent another European war.

War between France and Germany, yes, given that most European wars since the fall of the Roman Empire have involved those countries, or their precursors, but especially WW1 and WW2.

Edited 25 February, 2022 by badgerx16

[whelk]

EU seem to be pretty agile in decision making and fucking Russia.  They have done the air space thing but we haven’t as far as I am aware.

So seeming very effective at the mo which isn’t the normal narrative

[Warriorsaint]

Hang on, we will allow refugees in if they can pick strawberries.

Total Brexit benefit.

Surely our cosy relations with Russia formulated by Farage, Banks etc will pay off and we can buy all that lovely Russian oil.

Surely now we have all those rich Russians living in Londongrad we can reap all those Brexit benefits and trade with Moscow?

Hey Duckhunter, Farage was a genius all along. Well played

[badgerx16]

36 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

Hang on, we will allow refugees in if they can pick strawberries.

Total Brexit benefit.

Surely our cosy relations with Russia formulated by Farage, Banks etc will pay off and we can buy all that lovely Russian oil.

Surely now we have all those rich Russians living in Londongrad we can reap all those Brexit benefits and trade with Moscow?

Hey Duckhunter, Farage was a genius all along. Well played

Do you drink from the same bottle as Guided Missile ?

[Warriorsaint]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

Do you drink from the same bottle as Guided Missile ?

Not any more. Sober as a judge, hic!

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

EU seem to be pretty agile in decision making and fucking Russia.  They have done the air space thing but we haven’t as far as I am aware.

So seeming very effective at the mo which isn’t the normal narrative

Britain had already closed its airspace to Russian aircraft.

[Warriorsaint]

7 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Britain had already closed its airspace to Russian aircraft.

Unsure about this. Still private jets leaving from Uk to Russia. Allowing the Oligarchs to sort themselves out before Wet blanket Truss adds Oligarchs to the sanctions list “in the coming weeks”

[AlexLaw76]

12 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

Unsure about this. Still private jets leaving from Uk to Russia. Allowing the Oligarchs to sort themselves out before Wet blanket Truss adds Oligarchs to the sanctions list “in the coming weeks”

It is happening everywhere

 

[whelk]

7 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Britain had already closed its airspace to Russian aircraft.

Yes hadn’t seen that. Looks like holidays will be free of drunk Russians this summer

Ukraine invasion: EU shuts airspace to Russian planes https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60539303

 

[moonraker]

1 hour ago, Warriorsaint said:

Unsure about this. Still private jets leaving from Uk to Russia. Allowing the Oligarchs to sort themselves out before Wet blanket Truss adds Oligarchs to the sanctions list “in the coming weeks”

It may be they are not registered in Russia, 

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, moonraker said:

It may be they are not registered in Russia, 

As indeed with Abramovich, whose plane is registered in Luxembourg. Once Warrior gets into full-on rant mode logic flies out the window.

[buctootim]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

As indeed with Abramovich, whose plane is registered in Luxembourg. Once Warrior gets into full-on rant mode logic flies out the window.

You think its logical that despite UK and EU closing airspace to all Russian aircraft and Russia doing same its okay for oligarchs to fly between UK and Russia because of where the plane is registered? Not sure that its Warrior who has the yawning gap.    

[badgerx16]

27 minutes ago, buctootim said:

You think its logical that despite UK and EU closing airspace to all Russian aircraft and Russia doing same its okay for oligarchs to fly between UK and Russia because of where the plane is registered? Not sure that its Warrior who has the yawning gap.    

Where in my post did I imply that ? You seem to be looking for arguments where none is being offered. All I did was state that Abramovich's plane is registered in Luxembourg - an indisputable truth. The facts are that the UK and EU have closed their airspace to Russian registered aircraft, but Abramovich's plane doesn't fall into that net. If you try to ban all planes owned by Russian oligarchs they would certainly find.a shell company to hold the paperwork, or simply move a lease to to the Cayman Islands. It is far easier to police aircraft registration letters and the transponder codes linked to them than to try to wade through potentially masses of paperwork trying to work out who actually owns a business jet.

It is well within the remit of the Government to close off travel options for the Russian elite operating in the UK, they have chosen so far not to do so.

Edited 28 February, 2022 by badgerx16

[Warriorsaint]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

t is well within the remit of the Government to close off travel options for the Russian elite operating in the UK, they have chosen so far not to do so.

Which is my point!

[badgerx16]

Warrior, just for you ;

 

[Weston Super Saint]

9 hours ago, whelk said:

Yes hadn’t seen that. Looks like holidays will be free of drunk Russians this summer

Ukraine invasion: EU shuts airspace to Russian planes https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60539303

 

Maybe, depends where you're going...

FlightRadar makes for interesting viewing at the moment over Russia, but it looks like plenty of flights to and from Russia to Dubai / UAE.  Pretty easy to get a connecting flight from there for anyone who wants to...

Turkey seems to be doing alright in the flights to Moscow stakes as well.

Edited 28 February, 2022 by Weston Super Saint

[Tamesaint]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Maybe, depends where you're going...

FlightRadar makes for interesting viewing at the moment over Russia, but it looks like plenty of flights to and from Russia to Dubai / UAE.  Pretty easy to get a connecting flight from there for anyone who wants to...

Turkey seems to be doing alright in the flights to Moscow stakes as well.

Are you anticipating a lot of drunk Russians in your bar in  Weston super Mare?

[Weston Super Saint]

8 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

Are you anticipating a lot of drunk Russians in your bar in  Weston super Mare?

Yes. (although its been over 12 years since I was in the hospitality industry, but good job you're bang up to date).

Also expecting lots of Turkish planes to land at Weston Airport.

[Sheaf Saint]

and today's Brexidiot award goes to...

 

[rallyboy]

Foreigners expecting us to fill in forms??

Damn cheek, don't they know we lead the world in everything these days and we invented the bloody form!

If it wasn't for us they'd still be scrawling stuff in mud, using twigs. 😡

[Warriorsaint]

New Brexit Bingo award. P and O have sacked all 800 inboard staff and reflagged under Cyprus flag in order to rehire EU staff.

Another Brexit win eh?

wheres this list of Benefits eh?