Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[Tamesaint]

55 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

Only because you boys have given up defending brexit.

Don't worry. Guided " Shit for Brains" Missile will be on here soon quoting something he doesn't understand lifted from his latest copy of "Fascist News."

[Fan The Flames]

5 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

Don't worry. Guided " Shit for Brains" Missile will be on here soon quoting something he doesn't understand lifted from his latest copy of "Fascist News."

It seems like even he's given up believing. I wouldn't be surprised, the fact that the crown on the pint glass even makes BJ's list, means it hasn't been a success. It's the political version of Everton's dug outs.

[Guided Missile]

Keep up you losers. Read this and learn:

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The head of the City broker FinnCap has said Brexit has been a boost to the Square Mile as it has allowed regulators to ditch EU red tape. 
Sam Smith, chief executive of the London-listed business, said more money is going into UK growth companies than ever before and the City is working “very well”, despite warnings that it would lose business and jobs to the Continent following Britain’s break with Brussels. 
“To me, Brexit has not been anything other than quite positive ... we are seeing signs that actually the regulatory regime could be changed in a positive way post-Brexit to really make this ecosystem fly,” she said.

 

[Tamesaint]

3 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

Keep up you losers. Read this and learn:

 

Sure enough. Shit for Brains. the  Pompey Poly brainbox strikes again. 

[badgerx16]

Yet in November, the FT ran a report that concluded "Brexit is a slow bleed for the City. And the drip, drip, drip continues."

https://www.ft.com/content/218e34b3-3e3e-4655-920e-a475862a9d21

I suppose most people will read and quote whichever media outlets support / promote their personal views.

[Weston Super Saint]

Sunny Uplands

[badgerx16]

48000 *.eu domains registered with UK based owners are now void no longer work.

[spyinthesky]

53 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

48000 *.eu domains registered with UK based owners are now void no longer work.

Still as that nice lady Edwina Currie recently said on a recent radio interview when asked four times what have been the main benefits of Brexit, she eventually said 'Freedom'!!!
Wonderfully concise but absolutely useless reply.

[badgerx16]

This one is for Warrior

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/59868823

[Warriorsaint]

3 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

This one is for Warrior

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/59868823

Fine piece of reporting that. No rage. Factual and balanced. Nice link.

so glad we can finally have the crown back on pint glasses... oh wait!

[Warriorsaint]

On 02/01/2022 at 17:19, Guided Missile said:

Keep up you losers. Read this and learn:

 

So happy that the square mile,that’s it’s own autocracy, are building more wealth for the 1% Really shows who brexit benefits eh? Your argument is quite brainless.

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, Warriorsaint said:

So happy that the square mile,that’s it’s own autocracy, are building more wealth for the 1% Really shows who brexit benefits eh? Your argument is quite brainless.

Not just his argument !

[Tamesaint]

2 hours ago, Warriorsaint said:

So happy that the square mile,that’s it’s own autocracy, are building more wealth for the 1% Really shows who brexit benefits eh? You are quite brainless.

 

 

Corrected for you.

[Warriorsaint]

Did anyone really think this govt was competent enough to get Brexit done?

 

[Warriorsaint]

These are the folks running the country 

 

[badgerx16]

29 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

Did anyone really think this govt was competent enough to get Brexit done?

 

The system impoirters are meant to be using is called IPAFFS, which is almost completely unusable because it "sends error messages stating that declarations cannot be submitted without food safety certificates or details of the border control posts where goods will be physically checked.

Importers will not have these details because food safety certificates and physical checks are not required until July and several border control posts have not been built yet."

Users are consequently advised to switch to PEACHES instead, and are then faced not just with a system that only works with IE, it doesn't even work with the latest ( last ) version of IE, ( IE11 - in deprecated support until June ), you somehow have to find an earlier ( unsupported ) version to get full functionality.

The alternative to all that non-functional IT is to revert to paper and manual records.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/brexit-food-imports-government-b1984912.html

Edited 7 January, 2022 by badgerx16

[rallyboy]

Braverman has a 30.000+ majority which means there is massive support for her views and actions.

One doesn't like to accuse voters of being thick because that might sound patronising, but how else can this be explained?

Fishing towns voting themselves out of funding, farming communities voting against support for their industry....

The country has asked for all of the above - the paperwork debacle, the running down of our own industries, the basic infrastructure failures and the incompetent ministers, most voters still support the blatant corruption of PPE, it's quite odd.

Is it still too early to suggest that one or two voters might be a little bit thick for supporting all of the self-harm above, or are they just too stubborn to admit they were conned? 

[badgerx16]

12 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

Braverman has a 30.000+ majority which means there is massive support for her views and actions.

One doesn't like to accuse voters of being thick because that might sound patronising, but how else can this be explained?

Fishing towns voting themselves out of funding, farming communities voting against support for their industry....

The country has asked for all of the above - the paperwork debacle, the running down of our own industries, the basic infrastructure failures and the incompetent ministers, most voters still support the blatant corruption of PPE, it's quite odd.

Is it still too early to suggest that one or two voters might be a little bit thick for supporting all of the self-harm above, or are they just too stubborn to admit they were conned? 

Teething troubles, it's not as if they have had the last 5 years to get things sorted. As long as it works in fifty years time when we get to find out if there are actually any financial benefits from Brexit.

[Warriorsaint]

 

[badgerx16]

14 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

 

Port of Dover say it is due to a lack of covid tests and people being required to provide proof of vaccination.

Edited 12 January, 2022 by badgerx16

[Super_Uwe]

We still plod on. 

Obviously now we have many new elements of the new trading relationship to deal with in terms of customs formalities for imports from the EU.

It's pretty clear this will start to bite at some point in the not too distant future, arguably for both sides as EU exporters have more hoops to jump through to get their products to the UK market.

It's all very sad tbh, not sure there is much else to say.

[Warriorsaint]

5 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Port of Dover say it is due to a lack of covid tests and people being required to provide proof of vaccination.

I guess its either Brexit or an incompetent govt. then? Takes your choice

[badgerx16]

This is the sort of 'benefit' GM will be happy with :

"A pesticide which can harm bees has been approved for use in 2022.

Emergency use of a product containing the chemical thiamethoxam has been authorised in England because of a virus which affects sugar beets.

The decision came despite expert advisers finding pollution from the pesticide would damage river life, and requirements for use had not been met.

But Environment Secretary George Eustice said product use would be "limited and controlled".

In 2018, an almost total ban was put in by the EU and UK because of the serious damage the chemical could cause to bees.

Charities and campaign groups are angry at the chemical now being approved for use."

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-59995387

[buctootim]

5 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

This is the sort of 'benefit' GM will be happy with :

"A pesticide which can harm bees has been approved for use in 2022.

Emergency use of a product containing the chemical thiamethoxam has been authorised in England because of a virus which affects sugar beets.

The decision came despite expert advisers finding pollution from the pesticide would damage river life, and requirements for use had not been met.

But Environment Secretary George Eustice said product use would be "limited and controlled".

In 2018, an almost total ban was put in by the EU and UK because of the serious damage the chemical could cause to bees.

Charities and campaign groups are angry at the chemical now being approved for use."

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-59995387

This makes zero sense economically, environmentally or heathwise. Sugar beet growing in the UK isn't viable in the UK without huge subsidies.  They are grown on huge East Anglia prairie like monoculture fields with zero biodiversity. Every year the peat is eroded by another millimetre getting ever closer to bare clay which will end the growing crop anyway. The cost of processing is huge as it needs massive amounts of electricity. 

Thiamethoxam is an indiscriminate systemic insecticide - ie it is absorbed by the plant and poisons and kills pretty much all insects which come into contact with it. These include bees which visit for pollen, butterfly caterpillars which eat the leaves and feed birds, aphids which feed ladybirds etc etc. Then we eat the poison absorbed by the beet.  

Stop growing beet, save on the subsidies, restore hedgerows, let insects and the other species which feed on them recover and import cane sugar at one third of the price from traditional sources like the Caribbean.    

 

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, buctootim said:

This makes zero sense economically, environmentally or heathwise.

Just like everything else with Brexit.

[31cc]

On 12/01/2022 at 15:59, Warriorsaint said:

I guess its either Brexit or an incompetent govt. then? Takes your choice

Why not both?

[Plastic]

Not that I agree with it, but this doesn't appear to be a Brexit related issue, as EU countries have also used emergency powers to allow its use. The problem is farmers growing unsustainable crops in Liz Truss's constituency, leading to obvious pressure on legislation. Too much sugar, both supply and demand, that's the real issue here.

https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2022/01/18/england-authorizes-emergency-neonicotinoid-use-to-protect-threatened-2022-sugarbeet-crops/

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/18/uk-beet-growers-fear-brexit-threatens-their-future

Edited 18 January, 2022 by Plastic

[badgerx16]

Surprised Warrior missed this one;

Not exactly a big hit to the UK economy, but being outside the EU has led to one iron working company moving much of it's production to Spain to avoid US import charges;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59857275

[Warriorsaint]

Cognitive dissonance at its finest 😂

 

[Plastic]

The haulage crisis that everyone forgot about…

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/brexit-think-lorry-queues-are-bad-now-its-going-to-get-a-lot-worse-heres-why-309122/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=sfeu&fbclid=IwAR3jqF_EmO93d17OIO3RGgBWHHR6s9FkEkHIc2VJwm0YbnDqmI-of4DMwHE

Edited 23 January, 2022 by Plastic

[badgerx16]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-60099413

 

"Holyhead and Fishguard ports saw a 30% drop in traffic in 2021, according to its operator Stena Line.

Ian Davies, boss of Stena's UK ports, said it was down to the new post-Brexit trading relationship with the European Union rather than the pandemic."

[spyinthesky]

Thats because traffic that previously used English and Welsh ports to transfer vehicles between the European mainland and the island of Ireland are now using expanded ferry routes linking Europe with the Irish Republic.
Another significant disadvantage to Brexit to add to the millions 'Failing' Grayling lost in setting up Ferry services with a company who owned no ships.

[Warriorsaint]

 

[Warriorsaint]

 

[Warriorsaint]

 

[Weston Super Saint]

47 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

 

So what you're pictures are suggesting is that lorries that previously used to catch a ferry from France / Holland / elsewhere in the EU and then drive all the way across the UK before catching another ferry, solely to deliver goods to a destination in the Republic of Ireland are now using sea transport directly from mainland Europe to Ireland.

I'm not sure why this is being classed as a bad thing.  Previously there was absolutely no benefit to the UK as no goods were being delivered here (possibly there was a slight financial benefit from port operations), but nothing else.

On the flip side, the UK had more lorries on the roads than was necessary, these were doubtless adding to congestion, therefore adding to polution as well as contributing to wear and tear on the roads which the UK had to fund in terms of repairs.  There were probably numerous accidents that also needed to be attended to costing GB resources.

I'm only seeing benefits to the UK for this particular scenario and strictly speaking (again in this scenario), there was no need for EU trucks to drive across GB to get to Ireland before Brexit.

Looks like we can add this one to the Brexit benefits column as EU truck operators appear to finally be using common sense and causing GB less issues on the roads.

Sunny uplands  

[Whitey Grandad]

50 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

So what you're pictures are suggesting is that lorries that previously used to catch a ferry from France / Holland / elsewhere in the EU and then drive all the way across the UK before catching another ferry, solely to deliver goods to a destination in the Republic of Ireland are now using sea transport directly from mainland Europe to Ireland.

I'm not sure why this is being classed as a bad thing.  Previously there was absolutely no benefit to the UK as no goods were being delivered here (possibly there was a slight financial benefit from port operations), but nothing else.

On the flip side, the UK had more lorries on the roads than was necessary, these were doubtless adding to congestion, therefore adding to polution as well as contributing to wear and tear on the roads which the UK had to fund in terms of repairs.  There were probably numerous accidents that also needed to be attended to costing GB resources.

I'm only seeing benefits to the UK for this particular scenario and strictly speaking (again in this scenario), there was no need for EU trucks to drive across GB to get to Ireland before Brexit.

Looks like we can add this one to the Brexit benefits column as EU truck operators appear to finally be using common sense and causing GB less issues on the roads.

Sunny uplands  

Some did, many didn't. Foreign hauliers would also collect goods from a UK location and deliver them into the EU, or vice versa. It is called cabotage.

[badgerx16]

58 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Previously there was absolutely no benefit to the UK as no goods were being delivered here (possibly there was a slight financial benefit from port operations), but nothing else.

A port losing 30% of it's traffic is hardly "slight", especially when there is no alternative market / destination to chase to compensate. It is also likely that EU goods for/from NI are now routed via Eire, so even goods to UK destinations have been lost.

Edited 24 January, 2022 by badgerx16

[Weston Super Saint]

13 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Some did, many didn't. Foreign hauliers would also collect goods from a UK location and deliver them into the EU, or vice versa. It is called cabotage.

Borriersaints post is claiming that "EU trucks no longer need to drive through GB to get to Ireland" which is what has been extropolated to explain why there is a shortage of trucks in the UK.

I don't for one second believe what Borriersaint's post is suggesting, especially as the picture has been lifted from the Irish Embassy in France (basically explaining what routes are available) and the text has been made up by some no mark on the internet claiming they go hand in hand.

[Weston Super Saint]

15 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

A port losing 30% of it's traffic is hardly "slight", especially when there is no alternative market / destination to chase to compensate. It is also likely that EU goods for/from NI are now routed via Eire, so even goods to UK destinations have been lost.

Have you got any evidence at all that the 30% reduction in traffic is because lorries are no longer using the port in order to drive all the way across the country so that they can catch another ferry at another port in order to end up in their planned destination of Ireland, but instead are choosing routes from ports in Mainland Europe, direct to Ireland (which they would have done before Brexit if they were only travelling from the EU to Ireland!!)

[badgerx16]

11 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Have you got any evidence at all that the 30% reduction in traffic is because lorries are no longer using the port in order to drive all the way across the country so that they can catch another ferry at another port in order to end up in their planned destination of Ireland, but instead are choosing routes from ports in Mainland Europe, direct to Ireland (which they would have done before Brexit if they were only travelling from the EU to Ireland!!)

Only the quotes in my post ( above ) from the port operators. Generally it would be more economic and quicker to drive as much of the journey as possible, and much freight between Ireland and the EU did indeed previously go via Holyhead, and the other Welsh ports.

 

EDIT

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/brexit-has-significantly-altered-irish-british-freight-traffic-report-finds-2021-08-12/

 

"The most significant factor behind the changes was traders abandoning the once-speedier British "land bridge" - where hauliers would take a short sea crossing between Dublin and Holyhead in Wales, drive across Britain and then take another ferry to mainland Europe."

 

( Note, this is not from the Irish Embassy !!!! )

Edited 24 January, 2022 by badgerx16

[Tamesaint]

2 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

 

Looks like we can add this one to the Brexit benefits column as EU truck operators appear to finally be using common sense and causing GB less issues on the roads.

Sunny uplands  

That's good. Is there anything else in that column?

Borriersaint as you like to call him (hilarious) did ask a few weeks ago for any Brexit benefits. I was surprised that you didn't mention the pound's strength against the zloty but perhaps your days of being as thick as pigshit are over.

Edited 24 January, 2022 by Tamesaint

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Tamesaint said:

That's good. Is there anything else in that column?

Borriersaint as you like to call him (hilarious) did ask a few weeks ago for any Brexit benefits. I was surprised that you didn't mention the pound's strength against the zloty but perhaps your days of being as thick as pigshit are over.

I don't recall the long haul 'road bridge' to and from Ireland being mentioned by Leave.EU.

[Tamesaint]

19 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

I don't recall the long haul 'road bridge' to and from Ireland being mentioned by Leave.EU.

Neither do I but I am sure that as the gammon will soon be telling us , those "Brexit benefits" just dont stop coming.  😉 

[badgerx16]

Going back to the OP on this thread, how is that UK-US trade deal coming along ?

[moonraker]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Going back to the OP on this thread, how is that UK-US trade deal coming along ?

About as well as all the other Brexit Benefits, JRMs 50 years to see the benefits is slowly ticking down, I cant wait for the great celebrations in 2072, I will be 115 years old and will be dancing in the streets.

[The Left Back]

23 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

So what you're pictures are suggesting is that lorries that previously used to catch a ferry from France / Holland / elsewhere in the EU and then drive all the way across the UK before catching another ferry, solely to deliver goods to a destination in the Republic of Ireland are now using sea transport directly from mainland Europe to Ireland.

I'm not sure why this is being classed as a bad thing.  Previously there was absolutely no benefit to the UK as no goods were being delivered here (possibly there was a slight financial benefit from port operations), but nothing else.

On the flip side, the UK had more lorries on the roads than was necessary, these were doubtless adding to congestion, therefore adding to polution as well as contributing to wear and tear on the roads which the UK had to fund in terms of repairs.  There were probably numerous accidents that also needed to be attended to costing GB resources.

I'm only seeing benefits to the UK for this particular scenario and strictly speaking (again in this scenario), there was no need for EU trucks to drive across GB to get to Ireland before Brexit.

Looks like we can add this one to the Brexit benefits column as EU truck operators appear to finally be using common sense and causing GB less issues on the roads.

Sunny uplands  

I'm sorry but this post shows a profound lack of understanding of how logistics works. 

[badgerx16]

5 hours ago, The Left Back said:

I'm sorry but this post shows a profound lack of understanding of how logistics works. 

'Lack of understanding' - sums up so much of the Leavers' attempts to defend Brexit.

Edited 25 January, 2022 by badgerx16
put apostrophe in correct position

[saint1977]

Quelle surprise - Suella Braverman, brainless of Britain, tries to wing a meeting forcing through changes to EU legislation which helps Tory donors and comes unstuck https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60191402

Here comes another U Turn. Good observation by Thornberry, why not reverse the 5% minImum VAT EU requirement on fuel bills first? That would mean actually doing something for us, the actual working people, not their donor friends though. Still, I’m sure people will still vote for them in 2024, just like people in Sholing supporting Liverpool FC. ‘Cos the Tories win and they did Brexit’.

[badgerx16]

26 minutes ago, saint1977 said:

Quelle surprise - Suella Braverman, brainless of Britain, tries to wing a meeting forcing through changes to EU legislation which helps Tory donors and comes unstuck https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60191402

Here comes another U Turn. Good observation by Thornberry, why not reverse the 5% minImum VAT EU requirement on fuel bills first? That would mean actually doing something for us, the actual working people, not their donor friends though. Still, I’m sure people will still vote for them in 2024, just like people in Sholing supporting Liverpool FC. ‘Cos the Tories win and they did Brexit’.

The timing of this announcement comes across as another Partygate fig leaf.