Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[aintforever]

21 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Lover scourned?

or telling the truth?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/14/boris-johnson-promised-to-tear-up-ni-protocol-says-dup-mp-ian-paisley

[Weston Super Saint]

34 minutes ago, aintforever said:

or telling the truth?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/14/boris-johnson-promised-to-tear-up-ni-protocol-says-dup-mp-ian-paisley

You understand how the two statements can't both be the truth don't you?

Cummings claimed that Boris was too stupid to understand what the protocol meant, whilst Paisley is claiming that not only did Boris fully understand the protocol but that he expressly stated he would 'tear it up'.

[badgerx16]

First HGV drivers, now abattoir workers. How long before all the EU workers who left after Brexit are back, but earning more as they are now classed as being in shortage areas ?

[badgerx16]

The plan to train new HGV drivers means that the rigid axle and articulated tests are to be merged, and drivers will not be tested on hitching/unhitching trailers, nor will they be required to reverse;

 

https://www.fleetpoint.org/driver-training-safety/criticism-mounts-over-government-plans-to-streamline-hgv-driving-tests/

 

"“This lowering of standards is a knee-jerk reaction to the driver shortage caused by Brexit,” said David Jinks, head of ParcelHero’s consumer research. He added: “In an effort to get more truck drivers on the road, the government has announced plans to merge the separate tests for driving rigid and articulated trucks, and axe reversing exercises and uncoupling and recoupling from the main test."

"Jinks said: “Merging the separate rigid and articulated tests cuts too many corners. The gap between obtaining a level C licence for driving a standard truck and level C+E for driving an artic existed for a reason: to ensure drivers gained experience before mastering an articulated truck.”

He described the government decision to drop the reversing exercise and the coupling and uncoupling elements of the main test along with outsourcing to third party testers as a “jaw-dropping compromise” and warned that the move to drop the separate test for car drivers towing trailers or caravan, will also make the UK’s roads more dangerous."

Edited 22 October, 2021 by badgerx16

[redkeith]

On 22/10/2021 at 19:02, badgerx16 said:

The plan to train new HGV drivers means that the rigid axle and articulated tests are to be merged, and drivers will not be tested on hitching/unhitching trailers, nor will they be required to reverse;

 

https://www.fleetpoint.org/driver-training-safety/criticism-mounts-over-government-plans-to-streamline-hgv-driving-tests/

 

"“This lowering of standards is a knee-jerk reaction to the driver shortage caused by Brexit,” said David Jinks, head of ParcelHero’s consumer research. He added: “In an effort to get more truck drivers on the road, the government has announced plans to merge the separate tests for driving rigid and articulated trucks, and axe reversing exercises and uncoupling and recoupling from the main test."

"Jinks said: “Merging the separate rigid and articulated tests cuts too many corners. The gap between obtaining a level C licence for driving a standard truck and level C+E for driving an artic existed for a reason: to ensure drivers gained experience before mastering an articulated truck.”

He described the government decision to drop the reversing exercise and the coupling and uncoupling elements of the main test along with outsourcing to third party testers as a “jaw-dropping compromise” and warned that the move to drop the separate test for car drivers towing trailers or caravan, will also make the UK’s roads more dangerous."

Absolutely mental.  Never driven with a trailer, but it looks so hard. Did some  removals with my mate with 40 years experience and it took him 4 goes to hitch up his trailer. 

[Warriorsaint]

265 Tories voted for more of this. Anyone willing to defend the upside to this. Don’t tell me Tories aren’t scum.

 

[Warriorsaint]

 

[Warriorsaint]

 

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Warriorsaint said:

 

Carrie probably thinks Boris will be a faithful husband and caring father who would never abandon their child.

[Warriorsaint]

Where are all the Brexiters. All crawled under their rocks I see.

Defend this one. You all knew what you voted for right?

 

[CB Fry]

I wanna hold you wanna hold you tight

They're dumping shits all through the night

[badgerx16]

Given that Michael Gove assured us that the UK would have higher standards of environmental protection post-brexit, imagine how bad this would be if we had stayed in the EU.

[Weston Super Saint]

14 hours ago, Warriorsaint said:

Where are all the Brexiters. All crawled under their rocks I see.

Defend this one. You all knew what you voted for right?

 

I'll answer as you've been crying about it for a number of days now, but I'll do so with a question.

Despite your twitterati confirmation bias, can you explain how / why this is a Brexit related issue?  Water companies have been legally allowed to use outfall pipes after heavy rainfall for many years - certainly before Brexit was a reality - and that hasn't changed since Brexit.

An incompetent Government issue, maybe, but certainly not one brought about by Brexit.  Although given the staggering costs that would be involved if the Government went ahead and made the outfall pipe usage (for untreated sewage) against the law, maybe you could argue that it is responsible Government given that the costs of upgrading the infrastructure would undoubtedly be passed on to the consumers (whether directly through water bills or indirectly through enormous tax rises).

[CB Fry]

14 hours ago, CB Fry said:

I wanna hold you wanna hold you tight

They're dumping shits all through the night

I thought this was solid-to-excellent Fergal Sharkey/sewage based pun content so I am personally disappointed that this post did not get the numbers I was hoping for 

[Weston Super Saint]

4 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

I thought this was solid-to-excellent Fergal Sharkey/sewage based pun content so I am personally disappointed that this post did not get the numbers I was hoping for 

Apologies - I've added one as it was a solid attempt.

The best I could manage was something along the lines of a good fart....

[whelk]

2 hours ago, CB Fry said:

I thought this was solid-to-excellent Fergal Sharkey/sewage based pun content so I am personally disappointed that this post did not get the numbers I was hoping for 

It’s the problem with this social media. Us kids are all after the ‘likes’ . Agree good reference. I was wondering if could get away with pipes rhyming with night?

I had a quick think about Wednesday Week and My Perfect cousin lyrics  but realised I am not a very creative fucker

Edited 26 October, 2021 by whelk

[whelk]

And I just started a new thread for warrior and here we are already being discussed

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

It’s the problem with this social media. Us kids are all after the ‘likes’ . Agree good reference. I was wondering if could get away with pipes rhyming with night?

I had a quick think about Wednesday Week and My Perfect cousin lyrics  but realised I am not a very creative fucker

You could go on the LGBTQ(etc) thread with "Oh my perfect cousin, who I like to shag he doesn't".

 

( How did discussing Brexit get to this point ? )

Edited 26 October, 2021 by badgerx16

[igsey]

Am I right in saying Boris said we all pay 5% VAT on gas and electricity because the EU made us do it? But now has come out and said they're not going to reduce that VAT in the midst of the highest energy prices ever?

[Lord Duckhunter]

4 minutes ago, igsey said:

 But now has come out and said they're not going to reduce that VAT in the midst of the highest energy prices ever?

What’s that got to do with The EU? 
 

The UK Government sets VAT rates, if you don’t like it, vote them out……

[Fan The Flames]

12 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What’s that got to do with The EU? 
 

The UK Government sets VAT rates, if you don’t like it, vote them out……

Don't you worry, we will.

[Warriorsaint]

21 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What’s that got to do with The EU? 
 

The UK Government sets VAT rates, if you don’t like it, vote them out……

Yep, 11 years of those cockwangles and we are in such a better place eh?

There are enough self interested individualists to keep them in though. 

[Weston Super Saint]

12 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

Yep, 11 years of those cockwangles and we are in such a better place eh?

There are enough self interested individualists to keep them in though. 

Whatabout, whatabout, whatabout.

[Winnersaint]

12 hours ago, Fan The Flames said:

Don't you worry, we will.

I would worry as we won’t, sorry. Take my local constituency for example. The sitting Tory MP is loathed both locally and nationally by opposition parties and voters, but can garner enough of the local vote to keep getting re-elected. In 2019 he got 49.6% of the vote. The combined anti-Tory vote was 50.2%. It would take the Labour Party and Green Party to step aside to give the Lib-Dems (37.7%) a free run. I can’t see that happening. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

45 minutes ago, Winnersaint said:

I would worry as we won’t, sorry. Take my local constituency for example. The sitting Tory MP is loathed both locally and nationally by opposition parties and voters, but can garner enough of the local vote to keep getting re-elected. In 2019 he got 49.6% of the vote. The combined anti-Tory vote was 50.2%. It would take the Labour Party and Green Party to step aside to give the Lib-Dems (37.7%) a free run. I can’t see that happening. 

In other words,  the most popular candidate gets to represent the constituency at Westminster . Democracy at its finest. If he’s “loathed” locally, what does that say about the other candidates? 

Edited 27 October, 2021 by Lord Duckhunter

[Winnersaint]

 

18 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

In other words,  the most popular candidate gets to represent the constituency at Westminster . Democracy at its finest. If he’s “loathed” locally, what does that say about the other candidates? 

Exactly the point I was making in response to Warriorsaint, who is misguided if he thinks the Tories will be voted out just because he says it will happen. The reality portrayed in this example I have given suggests otherwise.

Edited 28 October, 2021 by Winnersaint

[Fan The Flames]

1 hour ago, Winnersaint said:

I would worry as we won’t, sorry. Take my local constituency for example. The sitting Tory MP is loathed both locally and nationally by opposition parties and voters, but can garner enough of the local vote to keep getting re-elected. In 2019 he got 49.6% of the vote. The combined anti-Tory vote was 50.2%. It would take the Labour Party and Green Party to step aside to give the Lib-Dems (37.7%) a free run. I can’t see that happening. 

Sadly I agree, Labour are currently miles away from being capable of winning.

[Warriorsaint]

12 minutes ago, Winnersaint said:

Iss

Exactly the point I was making in response to Warriorsaint, who is misguided if he thinks the Tories will be voted out just because he says it will happen. The reality portrayed in this example I have given suggests otherwise.

If you can read I said the opposite. I have no hope that the  Tories will be voted out. Fptp ensures they are voted in time and again. The system is rigged. N.I, Wales and Scotland have never voted Tory majorities. Its England that keeps them in. Democracy at its finest eh Duckwomble?

[Winnersaint]

10 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

Sadly I agree, Labour are currently miles away from being capable of winning.

I agree. Point that I was making was in essence that everything  may be possible if people vote tactically. I’ve voted in 8 GE. Each time my Labour vote is was effectively a wasted vote in Wokingham constituency. 

[kyle04]

I wonder if WS genuinely believes that a Labour govt would have run the country any better with Milliband or Corbyn at the helm  .  Even with the more palatable Stamer the Labour party are just not a credible option, even though many will vote for them as they are not Tory "scum", as one charming member of her Majesty's opposition put it, while happily ignoring the mess they are in internally and their history of fucking the country up when given the chance to govern. As for Brexit, I seem to remember "call me Dave" campaigning for remain whilst Labour dithered, so the population can blame themselves for that one. It matters not as Boris will continue his Blackadder the 3rd Prince Regent impersonation and get voted in again. Fuck me..

[Warriorsaint]

12 minutes ago, kyle04 said:

I wonder if WS genuinely believes that a Labour govt would have run the country any better with Milliband or Corbyn at the helm  .  Even with the more palatable Stamer the Labour party are just not a credible option, even though many will vote for them as they are not Tory "scum", as one charming member of her Majesty's opposition put it, while happily ignoring the mess they are in internally and their history of fucking the country up when given the chance to govern. As for Brexit, I seem to remember "call me Dave" campaigning for remain whilst Labour dithered, so the population can blame themselves for that one. It matters not as Boris will continue his Blackadder the 3rd Prince Regent impersonation and get voted in again. Fuck me..

I actually do believe the country would have been run much better yes but we’ll never know 

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, Warriorsaint said:

The system is rigged. N.I, Wales and Scotland have never voted Tory 

Are you really that stupid or is it an act. Labour have never won NI either, probably because like the Tories, they don’t stand.
 

Scotland had a Tory majority vote in the 1950’s. 

 

Stick to stuff you understand, like the disposal of shit. 

Edited 27 October, 2021 by Lord Duckhunter

[whelk]

The Blair/ Brown documentaries on BBC are very interesting and gives insight into how they had to steer Labour to give confidence.

Got all the main players being very candid about it all. 

Edited 27 October, 2021 by whelk

[Warriorsaint]

20 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Are you really that stupid or is it an act. Labour have never won NI either, probably because like the Tories, they don’t stand.
 

Scotland had a Tory majority vote in the 1950’s. 

 

Stick to stuff you understand, like the disposal of shit. 

Since the devolved assemblies there has never been a Tory majority in NI, Scotland or Wales. You ought to read a book.

If you are stating that Tories don’t have a seat in NI or they haven’t had a majority in Scotland since THE 1950’s or never in Wales then you have proved the point. Westminster does not represent democracy.

Moreover every 18 out of 19 MPs at Westminister are English. England is Tory. The UK is not.

Stick to what you know, talking into the abyss Billy and fantasising over what it must be like to work for a living and not living rent free in your mums house.

You seem very angry. Try breathing. Frothing at the mouth is not healthy. Im worried you might have a heart attack with all that pent up anger.

[Lord Duckhunter]

7 hours ago, Warriorsaint said:

Since the devolved assemblies there has never been a Tory majority in NI, Scotland or Wales. You ought to read a book.

 

Dear god.

 

The Tories don’t stand in NI, therefore it’s not really surprising they haven’t won a majority 
 

You didn’t write “since the devolved assemblies” you wrote “never”. 
 

 

 

 

 

Edited 28 October, 2021 by Lord Duckhunter

[Weston Super Saint]

8 hours ago, Warriorsaint said:

Since the devolved assemblies there has never been a Tory majority in NI, Scotland or Wales. You ought to read a book.

If you are stating that Tories don’t have a seat in NI or they haven’t had a majority in Scotland since THE 1950’s or never in Wales then you have proved the point. Westminster does not represent democracy.

Moreover every 18 out of 19 MPs at Westminister are English. England is Tory. The UK is not.

Stick to what you know, talking into the abyss Billy and fantasising over what it must be like to work for a living and not living rent free in your mums house.

You seem very angry. Try breathing. Frothing at the mouth is not healthy. Im worried you might have a heart attack with all that pent up anger.

Isn't devolution of parliament democracy at it's finest?

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Isn't devolution of parliament democracy at it's finest?

So where is the English Parliament ? How come the periphery get theirs but not us ?

[Warriorsaint]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Dear god.

 

The Tories don’t stand in NI, therefore it’s not really surprising they haven’t won a majority 
 

You didn’t write “since the devolved assemblies” you wrote “never”. 
 

 

 

 

 

The point is Westminster doesn’t represent the UK as the Tories are built in winners in a rigged system but you know that.

[Warriorsaint]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

So where is the English Parliament ? How come the periphery get theirs but not us ?

Very good point! The dissolution if the Uk would lead to a much more democratic representation of the four nations. 
England can be forever a one party state.

Let the other nations be governed by people they vote for.

Surely brexiters are all for sovereignty and independence?

[badgerx16]

4 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

Very good point! The dissolution if the Uk would lead to a much more democratic representation of the four nations. 
England can be forever a one party state.

Let the other nations be governed by people they vote for.

Surely brexiters are all for sovereignty and independence?

I would like some form of devolved Northern regional governance; of the 4 UK Parliaments, Westminster is geographically the furthest from me.

[Weston Super Saint]

 

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

So where is the English Parliament ? How come the periphery get theirs but not us ?

 

Here?

 

10 hours ago, Warriorsaint said:

 

Moreover every 18 out of 19 MPs at Westminister are English. England is Tory. The UK is not.

 

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, Warriorsaint said:

The point is Westminster doesn’t represent the UK as the Tories are built in winners in a rigged system but you know that.

1997 - 2007 

[egg]

1 hour ago, Warriorsaint said:

Very good point! The dissolution if the Uk would lead to a much more democratic representation of the four nations. 
England can be forever a one party state.

Let the other nations be governed by people they vote for.

Surely brexiters are all for sovereignty and independence?

How would that go without the Barnett monies? Self dependency would be a disaster, hence the Scottish vote to remain in the union. Personally, I'd be happy to be free of the shackles of the other nations. 

[whelk]

What pisses me off is we throw more money at these devolved fuckers and they are never grateful for our subsidies. Scottish uni students have a lovely time of it compared with England 

[Fan The Flames]

2 hours ago, egg said:

How would that go without the Barnett monies? Self dependency would be a disaster, hence the Scottish vote to remain in the union. Personally, I'd be happy to be free of the shackles of the other nations. 

Project Fear

[Warriorsaint]

5 hours ago, egg said:

How would that go without the Barnett monies? Self dependency would be a disaster, hence the Scottish vote to remain in the union. Personally, I'd be happy to be free of the shackles of the other nations. 

Irrelevant point. Any nation that has gained independence from Britain has never asked to rejoin.

Same point made for every nation that left.

Edited 28 October, 2021 by Warriorsaint

[Warriorsaint]

4 hours ago, whelk said:

What pisses me off is we throw more money at these devolved fuckers and they are never grateful for our subsidies. Scottish uni students have a lovely time of it compared with England 

Definitely tounge  in cheek there lol but that attitude exists and those who have that attitude will never understand.

It is supposed to be a union of equals. It, of course, isnt.

Why should the English subsidise the other nations. It baffles me, therefore, how many little Englanders want to shackle the whole thing together.

[egg]

1 hour ago, Warriorsaint said:

Irrelevant point. Any nation that has gained independence from Britain has never asked to rejoin.

Same point made for every nation that left.

Nicely swerved. I'll answer for you - they'd be worse off financially. I'm quite happy for them all to go, although NI is a different animal with implications galore.

[badgerx16]

7 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

 

 

Here?

 

 

But the Welsh, Scottish, and Ulster MPs are part of the Westminster system and involved in legislating for England.

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

But the Welsh, Scottish, and Ulster MPs are part of the Westminster system and involved in legislating for England.

Turning it back on track slightly. It’s a good Job for unionists that Nigel is a believer. It would t take much for the English to vote for independence themselves. The Westminster bubble may want The Sweaties, but up I’m not so sure the ordinary joes are as tolerant of the whining twats .