Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[Warriorsaint]

3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

😂

 

Brexit benefits day1? Wasn’t it.

Another lie? Still can’t answer the question.

[whelk]

9 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

Brexit benefits day1? Wasn’t it.

Another lie? Still can’t answer the question.

Ask him what the great lady would think of these clowns? Imagine Liz Truss being appointed Foreign Secretary by Thatcher?

And these current twats are too stupid and/or selfish to understand what a fucking daft economic move it was.

[Tamesaint]

30 minutes ago, whelk said:

Ask him what the great lady would think of these clowns? Imagine Liz Truss being appointed Foreign Secretary by Thatcher?

And these current twats are too stupid and/or selfish to understand what a fucking daft economic move it was.

The "great lady" was one of the leading architects of the customs union. If she knew what state the country is now in she would be turning in her grave.

[Lord Duckhunter]

29 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

The "great lady" was one of the leading architects of the customs union. If she knew what state the country is now in she would be turning in her grave.

She’d be turning in her grave at your lack of knowledge. The CU was formed in 1968 prior to our membership. It was the Single Market. 

[Warriorsaint]

3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

She’d be turning in her grave at your lack of knowledge. The CU was formed in 1968 prior to our membership. It was the Single Market. 

Ducking the questions eh?

[Warriorsaint]

Ps going out to fill up the car. Apparently run on petrol stations starting.

Just another day in Brexit Britain.

[trousers]

15 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

Ps going out to fill up the car. Apparently run on petrol stations starting.

It's a good job panic buying doesn't perpetuate such issues...

[Warriorsaint]

48 minutes ago, trousers said:

It's a good job panic buying doesn't perpetuate such issues...

you are absolutely correct. Principal and practically are two very different beasts.

You may be too young to remember the last fuel crisis. I remember it all too well.

I am firmly in the panic buying tradition. Absolutely a hypocrite. As I suspect you will be when the time comes. At least I admit it.

[kyle04]

2 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

you are absolutely correct. Principal and practically are two very different beasts.

You may be too young to remember the last fuel crisis. I remember it all too well.

I am firmly in the panic buying tradition. Absolutely a hypocrite. As I suspect you will be when the time comes. At least I admit it.

have you used up all the bogroll you bought in the 1st lockdown yet?

[Warriorsaint]

Just now, kyle04 said:

have you used up all the bogroll you bought in the 1st lockdown yet?

Always been a costco shopper so always bought in bulk anyway lol 😂 . I wasn’t a panic buyer in the first lockdown. In fact I scoffed just like you.

This feels a little different. Seems a lot of crises colliding at the same time . Seems very ‘ winter of discontent’ So yes I think I will have to mitigate for the worst. 

The usual will scoff project fear. We all know we we are though. I think we can disregard the liars in charge this time. Once bitten twice shy.

Also just watched Question time for first time in months. Why bother? Same denial of issues. Same banal non answers. 

Does anyone believe we will not lurch from crisis to crisis with this lot?

[Warriorsaint]

Paul Kelley is one of the biggest turkey suppliers in Britain. 

He’s given countless interviews with mainstream media about recent supply chain chaos but they refused to air a word of it as soon as he mentioned Brexit. 

So here’s the truth. https://twitter.com/BylineTV/status/1441126719105110016/video/1

[Warriorsaint]

2 hours ago, trousers said:

It's a good job panic buying doesn't perpetuate such issues...

yeah! No need to panic. I heard the band kept playing on the deck of the Titanic

BREAKING: BP says it has temporarily closed some UK sites due to supply issues with unleaded and diesel fuel resulting from a national shortage of HGV and tanker drivers.

Get the latest updates: https://trib.al/C3bmZiX https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1441024337247678470/video/1

Edited 24 September, 2021 by Warriorsaint

[trousers]

8 hours ago, Warriorsaint said:

you are absolutely correct. Principal and practically are two very different beasts.

You may be too young to remember the last fuel crisis. I remember it all too well.

I am firmly in the panic buying tradition. Absolutely a hypocrite. As I suspect you will be when the time comes. At least I admit it.

I've always said the majority of the human race are hypocrites, myself included. And you're right, those of us that admit it are very much in the minority. 

[trousers]

7 hours ago, Warriorsaint said:

yeah! No need to panic. I heard the band kept playing on the deck of the Titanic

BREAKING: BP says it has temporarily closed some UK sites due to supply issues with unleaded and diesel fuel resulting from a national shortage of HGV and tanker drivers.

Get the latest updates: https://trib.al/C3bmZiX https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1441024337247678470/video/1

I guess if the headline was worded: "BP temporarily closed 0.41% of its forecourts" that Murdoch link wouldn't get as many clicks...

Edited 24 September, 2021 by trousers

[OldNick]

16 hours ago, trousers said:

Surely being a fully-fledged member of the EU would be better than Brexit though? 

It would have been, but the magnitude of going back with our tails between our legs would completely finish off our reputation in the world. 

[trousers]

5 minutes ago, OldNick said:

It would have been, but the magnitude of going back with our tails between our legs would completely finish off our reputation in the world. 

What would be the tangible consequences of such a damaged reputation? (That are worse than Brexit)

I think I would need convincing that the benefits of being back in the EU wouldn't outweigh any reputational concerns (which, after all, can be repaired over time).

Edited 24 September, 2021 by trousers

[Warriorsaint]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

I guess if the headline was worded: "BP temporarily closed 0.41% of its forecourts" that Murdoch link wouldn't get as many clicks...

Esso and Tesco now. You know how this ends. Don’t be naive.

[trousers]

15 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

You know how this ends

Yep... More panic buying giving rise to more closures. #cause #effect

Edited 24 September, 2021 by trousers

[OldNick]

I havent looked into it, but I cant see why this has happened all of a sudden??? Surely the shortage f drivers was there weeks ago.

Is it a case of Amazon etc offering so much bonusses to join them has made the drivers change companies

[trousers]

I guess the simple short term solution would be to draft in tanker drivers from the armed forces, but given the human race's propensity for knee-jerk over-reaction, that in itself would probably cause panic buying too.

Edited 24 September, 2021 by trousers

[buctootim]

50 minutes ago, trousers said:

I guess the simple short term solution would be to draft in tanker drivers from the armed forces, but given the human race's propensity for knee-jerk over-reaction, that in itself would probably cause panic buying too.

You can only fill your tank once.What is it you think people are going to do ? Panic drive extra miles? Panic carry extra diesel home in jam jars and buckets. Please clarify 

[Warriorsaint]

52 minutes ago, OldNick said:

I havent looked into it, but I cant see why this has happened all of a sudden??? Surely the shortage f drivers was there weeks ago.

Is it a case of Amazon etc offering so much bonusses to join them has made the drivers change companies

Knock on effect. This country runs on “just in time” supply. There is very little stockpiling. We had a very efficient delivery system within barrierfree single market.

Although not the only reason, any disruption to free flow of goods exacerbates any delays due to driver shortage.

The brexiters will state this is a global problem and blame testing but putting up of barriers due to Brexit makes this crisis infinitely worse. The EU will close ranks and find a solution to suit them.

Everything that requires deliveries will be affected and unfortunately that means every aspect of our lives. We are also an island and very dependent on imports. For decades it was very easy for businesses to source supply tariff free throughout Europe. That is not the case now. It will take time to find supply within the UK to be more self sufficient. As our economy is not really manufacturing based this will take time to restructure. I don’t think people realise how much of a practical upheaval this Brexit causes

Unless a plan is put into place quickly it will get worse. Again, those in charge know this was coming down the line and haven’t prepared for it.

Does anyone believe this govt is competent enough to deal with it?

[Warriorsaint]

5 minutes ago, buctootim said:

You can only fill your tank once.What is it you think people are going to do ? Panic drive extra miles? Panic carry extra diesel home in jam jars and buckets. Please clarify 

If everyone fills their tank to the brim once the tanks will run dry in a week. Have you forgotten 2005, 2007. 

It only takes a few lorries to fill up and then the station is fucked. Do you not think the haulage companies are not filling up as we speak.

But you carry on. We’ll see where we are in a week.

[trousers]

14 minutes ago, buctootim said:

You can only fill your tank once.What is it you think people are going to do ? Panic drive extra miles? Panic carry extra diesel home in jam jars and buckets. Please clarify 

I'm no expert (does it show?! ) but I've just watched an item on BBC news where they explained how people changing their regular purchase patterns (in any goods, including fuel) can upset the supply chain. For example, they interviewed a petrol station owner who says he gets a tanker delivery every 5 days which lasts just over 5 days. So, if people start topping up more often than they usually do he'll run out of fuel in 3 to 4 days. I'm assuming most people wait until they're around a quarter full before refilling whereas I guess some people are now thinking they should refill at half full or even three quarters. He said if people kept to their usual patterns there is unlikely to be a major issue.

Edited 24 September, 2021 by trousers

[buctootim]

1 minute ago, trousers said:

I'm no expert (does it show?! ) but I've just watched an item on BBC news where they explained how people changing their regular purchase patterns (in any goods, including fuel) can upset the supply chain. For example, they interviewed a petrol station owner who says he gets a tanker delivery every 5 days which lasts just over 5 days. So, if people start topping up more often than they usually so he'll run out of fuel in 3 to 4 days. I'm assuming most people wait until they're around a quarter full before refilling whereas I guess some people are now thinking they should refill at half full or even three quarters. 

To some degree that’s true - but fuel isn’t like toilet rolls or pasta, items that people can hoard. There also isn’t any substantial reduction in supply so whilst you might get a short term spike in demand it’s hard to see wide scale filling station closures and Mike long queues 

[OldNick]

Is it not also ironic that we have a world worried about too much carbon dioxide, that we have to have a large company opened to produce it!!!

[redkeith]

1 hour ago, Warriorsaint said:

If everyone fills their tank to the brim once the tanks will run dry in a week. Have you forgotten 2005, 2007. 

It only takes a few lorries to fill up and then the station is fucked. Do you not think the haulage companies are not filling up as we speak.

But you carry on. We’ll see where we are in a week.

Luckily there are 100,000 less truck drivers on the road , so less trucks to fill up ! 

[Guided Missile]

The City of London has maintained its crown as Europe's dominant financial hub as firms in the Square Mile adapt to Brexit. London came second only to New York in the latest global financial centres index, which is published by Z/Yen Group, a financial think tank. 

The City comfortably beat rival European centres, including Paris, Frankfurt and Amsterdam, which came 10th, 14th and 17th, respectively. The report said London's strong performance "reflects confidence in the longer-term prospects for the centre". It comes despite repeated warnings from chief executives and politicians that Brexit would damage the Square Mile's reputation. 

[Warriorsaint]

8 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

The City of London has maintained its crown as Europe's dominant financial hub as firms in the Square Mile adapt to Brexit. London came second only to New York in the latest global financial centres index, which is published by Z/Yen Group, a financial think tank. 

The City comfortably beat rival European centres, including Paris, Frankfurt and Amsterdam, which came 10th, 14th and 17th, respectively. The report said London's strong performance "reflects confidence in the longer-term prospects for the centre". It comes despite repeated warnings from chief executives and politicians that Brexit would damage the Square Mile's reputation. 

As you know full well the City of London is its own entity. It is not “London” Its own police force and its own autocracy. People who hold up the city of London as a beacon of British exceptionalism could do with looking into that particular little Pfiefdom. It needs destroying. Its not there for the betterment if the UK.

[badgerx16]

8 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

The City of London has maintained its crown as Europe's dominant financial hub as firms in the Square Mile adapt to Brexit. London came second only to New York in the latest global financial centres index, which is published by Z/Yen Group, a financial think tank. 

The City comfortably beat rival European centres, including Paris, Frankfurt and Amsterdam, which came 10th, 14th and 17th, respectively. The report said London's strong performance "reflects confidence in the longer-term prospects for the centre". It comes despite repeated warnings from chief executives and politicians that Brexit would damage the Square Mile's reputation. 

"London continues to lead in the region, dropping only three points in the ratings. This reflects 
confidence in the longer-term prospects for the centre.
• Other leading Western European centres had mixed results, with Paris, Amsterdam, Madrid, 
Stockholm, Hamburg, and Munich moving up the rankings while Frankfurt, Zurich, Edinburgh, 
Luxembourg, Stuttgart, and Brussels fell back, as centres compete following Brexit."

 

So, 9 months in London has slipped slightly. It was never going to be a sudden cliff-edge drop  and Covid has no doubt had an impact

 Let's wait for a couple of years and see how things develop.

[buctootim]

27 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

 

 

Edited 24 September, 2021 by buctootim
dumbass

[Warriorsaint]

11 minutes ago, buctootim said:

Dumbass. In 2016 London was number 1 globally and Frankfurt number 17. Now it is behind New York and only fractionally above Shanghai and Hong Kong. Frankfurt has grown to number 12.   

https://www.longfinance.net/media/documents/GFCI_30_Report_2021.09.24_v1.0.pdf

I don’t know what you point is.

Mine is not a response to a league table of finance hubs, mote the anti democratic closed shop to elite money.

Not interested in a premier league table of institutional moneyed elites. They are not there for providing for the UK

[buctootim]

Just now, Warriorsaint said:

I don’t know what you point is.

Mine is not a response to a league table of finance hubs, mote the anti democratic closed shop to elite money.

Not interested in a premier league table of institutional moneyed elites. They are not there for providing for the UK

Ah sorry - meant to quote GMs post 

[Warriorsaint]

2 hours ago, redkeith said:

Luckily there are 100,000 less truck drivers on the road , so less trucks to fill up ! 

Just been out to do the school run. Petrol stations rammed. Fuel wont last the day.

What do you think would happen when this govt said Don’t panic. 😂 

[Warriorsaint]

1 minute ago, buctootim said:

Ah sorry - meant to quote GMs post 

👍

[buctootim]

1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

The City of London has maintained its crown as Europe's dominant financial hub as firms in the Square Mile adapt to Brexit. London came second only to New York in the latest global financial centres index, which is published by Z/Yen Group, a financial think tank. 

The City comfortably beat rival European centres, including Paris, Frankfurt and Amsterdam, which came 10th, 14th and 17th, respectively. The report said London's strong performance "reflects confidence in the longer-term prospects for the centre". It comes despite repeated warnings from chief executives and politicians that Brexit would damage the Square Mile's reputation. 

Dumbass. In 2016 London was number 1 globally, Frankfurt 19th, Paris ranked way behind at 29th and Amsterdam 33rd. Now London is 2nd behind New York, Paris is 10th, Frankfurt has grown to 14th and Amsterdam 17th.   As always your links prove exactly the opposite of what you think. 

http://en.cdi.org.cn/images/research/gfci/GFCI20English-2016.pdf

 

2016

 

Here is a graphic showing London's performance - the decline is just in the last 5 years oddly enough 

 

Edited 24 September, 2021 by buctootim

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Warriorsaint said:

Just been out to do the school run. Petrol stations rammed. Fuel wont last the day.

What do you think would happen when this govt said Don’t panic. 😂 

Just got back from doing the weekend shop. Couldn’t get near Tescos so parked in a side road. Hardly anyone in the car park or store, everyone is buying fuel. What a moronic bunch we are. Tell the Great British public one thing and they will do another. Every media bulletin I have heard says no need to panic buy and yet off everyone goes. Still, on the bright side there were plenty of loo rolls on the shelves.

[CB Fry]

Please come over here and take our jobs.

[badgerx16]

9 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Please come over here and take our jobs.

There seem to be plenty of vacancies that UK residents don't appear to want to take up.

[The Cat]

I'm driving to Pompey in a bit for a gig, wonder if someone will siphon the petrol out of my car while I'm there?

Mind you I wonder that every time I go to a gig there.

[moonraker]

13 hours ago, trousers said:

I guess the simple short term solution would be to draft in tanker drivers from the armed forces, but given the human race's propensity for knee-jerk over-reaction, that in itself would probably cause panic buying too.

It is not the role of the armed forces to bail ou political incompetence.  They are already overstretched and saving this incompetent governments face is not  their job.

 

[egg]

3 minutes ago, moonraker said:

It is not the role of the armed forces to bail ou political incompetence.  They are already overstretched and saving this incompetent governments face is not  their job.

 

It's their job to help the country when needed in whatever capacity required. They ain't at war, so use them where there is need. 

The government are fecking incompetent though, and the driver situation is a complete shambles. 

[moonraker]

6 minutes ago, egg said:

It's their job to help the country when needed in whatever capacity required. They ain't at war, so use them where there is need. 

The government are fecking incompetent though, and the driver situation is a complete shambles. 

No it is not there job to help the country in civil matters, there role is the defence of the realm, a totally non political role.  There is legislation to request military aid in support civil problems.  The military are not an arm of government they are an arm of the crown.

Edited 25 September, 2021 by moonraker

[Picard]

14 hours ago, buctootim said:

You can only fill your tank once.What is it you think people are going to do ? Panic drive extra miles? Panic carry extra diesel home in jam jars and buckets. Please clarify 

I hope you are not in management!

[Warriorsaint]

Where are all the Brexit boys? Very quiet lately. Would love their perspective on Brexit Britain.

Just wondering if this was what they envisioned for the UK

[trousers]

33 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

Where are all the Brexit boys?

Probably avoiding futile "I'm right!", "No, I'm right!", "No, you're wrong!", "No, you're wrong!" bun fights on an internet football forum? 

[whelk]

On the Boris Tory Party thread

[hypochondriac]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the lack of hgv drivers and all the associated problems just showing one of the problems with the EU? The problem being that it was too easy to import a load of dirt cheap labour rather than training people and paying them a decent wage? 

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the lack of hgv drivers and all the associated problems just showing one of the problems with the EU? The problem being that it was too easy to import a load of dirt cheap labour rather than training people and paying them a decent wage? 

Not entirely; we are apparently 100k drivers short, having lost about 20k due to Brexit, so 80k are down to our own policy failings.

[egg]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

Not entirely; we are apparently 100k drivers short, having lost about 20k due to Brexit, so 80k are down to our own policy failings.

Haulage issues are a global problem. BAT are seeing a shortage of drivers all over Europe and beyond, and prices for hauliers has doubled. Poland, Romania and Turkey have big issues. But we're not hearing about this in the press here.