Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[badgerx16]

7 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

No point, some twat would crash into it.

Whilst "testing" their eyesight.

 

EDIT: just seen the item on the news.

Edited 6 September, 2021 by badgerx16

[buctootim]

13 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I voted leave and said at the time that I didn't think that scrapping 'freedom of movement' for work was a wise decision, but accepted that it came as part of the 'package'.

I think we've got a lot more pain on the way, especially in the low skilled / low paid sectors, which will only be solved by a complete overhaul of the benefits system (unlikely) or a U-turn from the Government on allowing EU workers (probably equally unlikely in the short term!).

The issue with regards to HGV drivers is more complex than boriersaint's simplistic 'blame it on Brexit' stance and is a convoluted mix of Covid (and the back log of tests), Brexit (and the EU drivers that returned back to the EU) and traditionally long hours for little reward making the job unattractive and putting many people off paying for the tuition needed to become qualified (an issue that has been exacerbated with the introduction of CPC courses and the additional costs entailed), as well as our 'comsumer society' that relies heavily on the movement of goods.

I voted remain but accepted that free movement of labour depressed wages in some sectors. This period of upward adjustment is a good thing and was easily predictable. Action to train up Brits could and should have been taken years ago. Why do we have fewer medical school places than we need and instead steal doctors from developing countries? Why do we think enough people will be prepared to fund their own year long HGV training and tuition for near minimum wage at the end of it?  

The problem with Brexit is not that there could never be any benefits - but that it was obvious that those benefits would never materialise. Why? because the people who peddled the 'EU bad' 'Brexit good' mantra are not only dishonest incompetents who prioritise their own careers over the good of the nation. It's also that Johnson, Davis, Raab, Mogg, Cummings etc are ideologically opposed to exactly the kinds of things they needed to do to manage the transition properly. They were never going to spend more on things like skills training and subsidies for farming whilst telling the Tory grey vote they are going to have pay more for their minimum wage carers , Amazon deliveries, latte servers and window cleaners.     

 

Edited 7 September, 2021 by buctootim

[Weston Super Saint]

9 hours ago, Warriorsaint said:

Can I call  you Wank Stain Saint?

You can call me whatever you want.

The big proclamation that you 'put me on ignore' didn't last long then, did it 

[Weston Super Saint]

4 hours ago, buctootim said:

I voted remain but accepted that free movement of labour depressed wages in some sectors. This period of upward adjustment is a good thing, was easily predictable and action to train up Brits could and should have been taken years ago. Why do we have fewer medical school places than we need and instead steal doctors from developing countries? Why do we think enough people will be prepared to fund their own year long HGV training and tuition for near minimum wage at the end of it?  

 

To a certain degree, yes.  However, there could be cases where it becomes counter productive.  Look at the Avonmouth jobs market right now for an example of this.  Issues around travelling into the area (basically you need to have your own transport as public transport is sparse and not convenient for the plethora of shift patterns on offer), factor in the exponential growth of warehousing and logistics businesses that have moved into the area in the last five years (and rightly so given it's location and accessibility to two major motorways) and we've seen wages for unskilled warehouse workers increase from £9 to £14 per hour in the past six months alone with companies offering £1000 new starter bonuses.  There's no way this 'bidding war' is even close to slowing down, especially not whilst Amazon (a large employer in the area) are reportedly short by 500 shifts per week right now and that's before they start 'ramping up' for Christmas.

All this will do is fuel the local economy, house prices and rent will increase as more and more people look to move into the area to take advantage of the higher rates and the property owners (who definitely won't be the lower skilled warehouse workers!) will get richer.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Fucking hell,  they’re  still banging on about it. 
 

Instead of constantly refighting the last referendum, do something about it. Nigel did something about it, starting from a much lower base. Why won’t OBrian, Adonis or other whinging entitled brats become Rejoins Nigel. They won’t, because they don’t want to put the hard yards in,haven’t got the political nous and they know they’re out of step with the great British public, far easier to whine and moan from the sidelines. 
 

If it’s as disastrous as claimed, it should me easy to build momentum and get back in, they won’t because it’s all an act. 

Edited 7 September, 2021 by Lord Duckhunter

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Fucking hell,  they’re  still banging on about it. 
 

Instead of constantly refighting the last referendum, do something about it. Nigel did something about it, starting from a much lower base. Why won’t OBrian, Adonis or other whinging entitled brats become Rejoins Nigel. They won’t, because they don’t want to put the hard yards in,haven’t got the political nous and they know they’re out of step with the great British public, far easier to whine and moan from the sidelines. 
 

If it’s as disastrous as claimed, it should me easy to build momentum and get back in, they won’t because it’s all an act. 

If rejoining on the same terms we had when we left was an option it might probably gain traction. But you know full well that that will never be on offer.

[Fan The Flames]

I thought we were going to pay for social care and top up the NHS with the Brexit £350m.

[aintforever]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Fucking hell,  they’re  still banging on about it. 
 

Instead of constantly refighting the last referendum, do something about it. Nigel did something about it, starting from a much lower base. Why won’t OBrian, Adonis or other whinging entitled brats become Rejoins Nigel. They won’t, because they don’t want to put the hard yards in,haven’t got the political nous and they know they’re out of step with the great British public, far easier to whine and moan from the sidelines. 
 

If it’s as disastrous as claimed, it should me easy to build momentum and get back in, they won’t because it’s all an act. 

So we can discuss the Brexit make-believe unicorns until the cows come home but are not allowed to discuss the actual effects.

[badgerx16]

8 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

I thought we were going to pay for social care and top up the NHS with the Brexit £350m.

That photo looks like it was taken in a scrap yard, an appropriate location for such rubbish.

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Fucking hell,  they’re  still banging on about it. 
 

 

You mean Lord Frost, right?

UK government still too gutless to truly go it alone, which us really strange considering how brilliant everything is going to be.

[Warriorsaint]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Fucking hell,  they’re  still banging on about it.

Yes, and will continue to rub the nose of the brexshitters who got us in this mess. Luckily I haven’t got you on ignore so I can keep seeing your banal examples of Brexit Benefits

[Warriorsaint]

I believe Wankstain Saint has stated he is no longer on ignore, (Thanks for the DM) He is so smart he doesn’t understand how quoted messages work. I can’t help seeing the non entities messages if others quote it.

[Weston Super Saint]

2 hours ago, Warriorsaint said:

I believe Wankstain Saint has stated he is no longer on ignore, (Thanks for the DM) He is so smart he doesn’t understand how quoted messages work. I can’t help seeing the non entities messages if others quote it.

Ah bless.

Your response, asking if you could call me wank stain (I'm still splitting my sides at that one), quoted my post directly.

I'm entirely up to date with how the quoted messages work and I know full well that you cannot directly quote a post if it is on ignore. What you would have quoted is the person that quoted the poster you are trying to ignore.

What you've done is make yourself look a right prick by claiming you're ignoring me and then quoting my posts, proving that you are lying about the whole ignore thing 

Still, whatever turns you on I guess!

By the way, who are you thanking for your alleged "DM" is it one of your other accounts?

[whelk]

Play nicely girls 

[Warriorsaint]

33 minutes ago, whelk said:

Play nicely girls 

Why, what did wank say?

[Weston Super Saint]

4 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

Why, what did wank say?

Bless.

Pretty pointless claiming to have me on ignore if you're so desperate to know what I said 

[badgerx16]

40 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

Why, what did wank say?

You are coming across as being about 5 years old.  If WSS wants to use a childish pseudonym for you let him, it really doesn't matter.

[Warriorsaint]

29 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

You are coming across as being about 5 years old.  If WSS wants to use a childish pseudonym for you let him, it really doesn't matter.

Don’t understand why its ok for him? Does he get special treatment? 

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

Don’t understand why its ok for him? Does he get special treatment? 

No, but not rising to the bait with people when they turn childish only reflects badly on them.

 

( And I know I recently called GM a twat, but I was only being honest ).

Edited 7 September, 2021 by badgerx16

[egg]

3 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

Don’t understand why its ok for him? Does he get special treatment? 

Impolite polite question: what's the point of creating a new persona, only to be as irritating as the old one was? Badger is right, you're coming across as a kid. 

[Warriorsaint]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

No, but not rising to the bait with people when they turn childish only reflects badly on them.

Its true but sometimes thickos only understand fighting fire with fire

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, Warriorsaint said:

Its true but sometimes thickos only understand fighting fire with fire

Why fight them at all ? Let other people on here make their own judgements about them.

[Warriorsaint]

Fair enough but don’t see why he gets defended when he’s the most obnoxious one on here.

 I don’t see any posts negating his behaviour. I really don’t understand.

Anyway he’s  on ignore so cant rile me.

Edited 7 September, 2021 by Warriorsaint

[badgerx16]

13 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

Fair enough but don’t see why he gets defended when he’s the most obnoxious one on here.

 I don’t see any posts negating his behaviour. I really don’t understand.

Anyway he’s  on ignore so cant rile me.

I'm not defending him, I'm suggesting that you would appear the bigger man if you let it wash over you. Whoever starts it, let it lie, life is too short as it is.

[Weston Super Saint]

10 hours ago, Warriorsaint said:

Fair enough but don’t see why he gets defended when he’s the most obnoxious one on here.

 I don’t see any posts negating his behaviour. I really don’t understand.

Anyway he’s  on ignore so cant rile me.

Boo hoo.

Still pretending I'm on ignore, what a cry baby.

Please sir, tell him to stop, I 'really don't understand'.

Edited 8 September, 2021 by Weston Super Saint

[Warriorsaint]

 

[Warriorsaint]

 

[badgerx16]

5 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

 

Vets qualify as both "skilled" and "shortage" under the new scheme, and any surgery seeking to bring somebody in would surely satisfy the salary and sponsorship requirements.

[Warriorsaint]

5 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Vets qualify as both "skilled" and "shortage" under the new scheme, and any surgery seeking to bring somebody in would surely satisfy the salary and sponsorship requirements.

Yes, surely the vet doesn’t know his own business and it’s all project fear

[badgerx16]

24 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

Yes, surely the vet doesn’t know his own business and it’s all project fear

As thngs are currently it may be that Brexit has made things slightly more difficult but Covid has made that even worse. Neither you nor I know that veterinary practice, nor the person who tweeted the image, nor the circumstances that lead to that letter being distributed,, but at present it seems that all the woes of the World are being laid at the feet of Brexit. I'm surprised that the return of the Taliban hasn't been attributed to it. ( I voted remain ).

[Warriorsaint]

Just waiting for all the reciprocal evidence on the flip side. Waiting for the Sunny uplands. 
come on  Brexiters where are all the benefits?

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, Warriorsaint said:

Just waiting for all the reciprocal evidence on the flip side. Waiting for the Sunny uplands. 
come on  Brexiters where are all the benefits?

Oh come on now, we have new trade agreements with the Faroe Islands and Leichtenstein. Get behind our newly won freedom as a Global trading power.

[Weston Super Saint]

6 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

As thngs are currently it may be that Brexit has made things slightly more difficult but Covid has made that even worse. Neither you nor I know that veterinary practice, nor the person who tweeted the image, nor the circumstances that lead to that letter being distributed,, but at present it seems that all the woes of the World are being laid at the feet of Brexit. I'm surprised that the return of the Taliban hasn't been attributed to it. ( I voted remain ).

I'm sure it won't be long.

I like the way Brexit is blamed as an afterthought, immediately after explaining that most large animal practices now specialise in this area....

Still, looking at the multicultural and diverse team at Stokesley Vets, it doesn't look like they've ever had anyone coming to work in their practice from 'abroad' (unless you count Scotland or Liverpool  )

https://www.stokesleyvets.co.uk/about-us/meet-the-team

[Warriorsaint]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

Oh come on now, we have new trade agreements with the Faroe Islands and Leichtenstein. Get behind our newly won freedom as a Global trading power.

Don’t forget the £50 million bacon deal over five years with Mexico trumpeted by Truss. Global Britain lol 😂 

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I'm sure it won't be long.

I like the way Brexit is blamed as an afterthought, immediately after explaining that most large animal practices now specialise in this area....

Still, looking at the multicultural and diverse team at Stokesley Vets, it doesn't look like they've ever had anyone coming to work in their practice from 'abroad' (unless you count Scotland or Liverpool  )

https://www.stokesleyvets.co.uk/about-us/meet-the-team

Hannah El-Sharif was born in Yorkshire. Her name must increase the diversity quotient.

[buctootim]

Vet shortage is definitely Brexit related. For decades Britain has trained fewer vets than it needs and imported the rest m, primarily from the  EU because of mutu recognition of qualifications. The salaries are good here, UK vets can earn double what they do in Sweden for example. It’s the opportunity to move whic has disappeared 

[Warriorsaint]

Every day. Sigh!

 

[Warriorsaint]

Where’s the £350 million from next week and the week after? Has the con sank in yet?

 

[Weston Super Saint]

9 hours ago, buctootim said:

Vet shortage is definitely Brexit related. For decades Britain has trained fewer vets than it needs and imported the rest m, primarily from the  EU because of mutu recognition of qualifications. The salaries are good here, UK vets can earn double what they do in Sweden for example. It’s the opportunity to move whic has disappeared 

As Badger has already stated, Vets are on the 'shortage' list so Brexit has not taken away any of the opportunities for EU vets to work in the UK, in fact, it is actively encouraged....

https://dnavetcare.co.uk/a-guide-for-vets-working-in-the-uk-after-brexit/

[egg]

5 hours ago, Warriorsaint said:

Every day. Sigh!

 

Something of nothing. If I was involved in drafting a free trade agreement, and someone had included clauses not relevant to trade whether that be climate or any other issue, I'd insist on their removal too. Sounds like nothing more than tidying up crap drafting. 

[badgerx16]

7 hours ago, Warriorsaint said:

Every day. Sigh!

 

Every day, sigh !

[buctootim]

3 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

As Badger has already stated, Vets are on the 'shortage' list so Brexit has not taken away any of the opportunities for EU vets to work in the UK, in fact, it is actively encouraged....

https://dnavetcare.co.uk/a-guide-for-vets-working-in-the-uk-after-brexit/

Ah okay fair enough. But it is a good example of importing people because we aren’t managing our training and labour market well enough. For lots of industries we have routinely imported people for jobs we can’t fill rather than proving training for Brits. That’s what drove brexit, the feeling that too many foreigners were taking jobs Brits could do and were driving down wages  

Edited 9 September, 2021 by buctootim

[badgerx16]

"Three brings in EU roaming charges and ends global scheme"

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-58501527

 

"PayPal is introducing new fees for payments between businesses in the UK and those in Europe, from November"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-58492953

 

( That should animate Warrior )

 

Edited 9 September, 2021 by badgerx16

[aintforever]

On 24/06/2021 at 19:17, hypochondriac said:

What bizarre sort of hyperbole is this. As a three customer I will be able to go around the EU and use my phone for things like Google maps and browsing the Internet in exactly the same way I always have done. This hasn't changed that at all. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-58501527

Oh dear

[hypochondriac]

22 minutes ago, aintforever said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-58501527

Oh dear

Not sure what is oh dear about it. I never discounted the possibility of them introducing charges:

On 24/06/2021 at 17:53, hypochondriac said:

And if that happens then we can have that conversation. I'm confident that not all networks will be charging and then people can simply make a choice. 

Whilst this is disappointing news, the good news for me personally is that I've just recently signed a 2 year contract so I'll have a couple of years to assess the market and then make my choice which is how the market should work. Not going to lie though that is a shame and as the analyst says its going to make their network difficult to stand out. 

Edited 9 September, 2021 by hypochondriac

[Tamesaint]

46 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

"Three brings in EU roaming charges and ends global scheme"

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-58501527

 

This must be wrong. Both Duckie and Hypo told me that this wouldn't happen after Brexit.

Don't tell me they have been duped??

 

 

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

 

My quoted post above says the opposite of what you've just said 

[Tamesaint]

5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

My quoted post above says the opposite of what you've just said 

I haven't quoted any post of yours.

Just admit that you have been wrong on this subject and move on. The more you wriggle the funnier you become.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Tamesaint said:

I haven't quoted any post of yours.

Just admit that you have been wrong on this subject and move on. The more you wriggle the funnier you become.

No the response I quoted above. I didn't say you had quoted it. It would be helpful if you actually read and responded to replies rather than what you think I said. What part of:

15 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

And if that happens then we can have that conversation. I'm confident that not all networks will be charging and then people can simply make a choice. 

says it would never happen? 

[Tamesaint]

On 14/07/2020 at 13:01, hypochondriac said:

Three mobiles usp was that "feel at home" meant they didn't charge in a number of countries before roaming charges were abolished. They've said they won't be changing it whatever happens so I can't imagine they would do. 

Naive or what?

Stop wriggling. Just admit that you have been wrong and move on. 😘